[email protected] wrote: > I sure hope that Wayne Olson contacts me. Do you have Wayne's e-mail address > in case he misses my post? I wish we had some better evidence of a > relationship -- because propinquity is not necessarily consanguinity! Here's Wayne's email address: [email protected] > One of my internet co-researchers on Ephraim, Christine Heaton, copied info > from an index to newspapers in Belleville, St. Clair Co. on your Guy Neaveill Thanks for the good info. I never knew if Guy had children or not, so now I can track his line down. > Ephraim Neavill was a literate man [served as justice of the peace]. I have > his spectacles. He unfailingly wrote his own name as NEAVILL, although others > spelled it variously. . . That's cool that you have his spectacles. I wish I had something interesting like that from one of my ancestors. > It seems to me that the spelling that your branch has adopted has a very good > reason behind it: NEAVE-ILL has to be pronounced differently than NEV-ILL! I'm not sure why Andrew J. adopted this unusual spelling. It is pronounced the same as NEVILLE though. I wonder if there even was a reason. My name could just be a casualty of 19th-century illiteracy. Though this seems unlikely because I know Andrew was literate. Here's some stuff from some earlier posts by Wayne: ************ Subject: Enoch NEAVILL, b. 1838 in Council Hill, Jo Daviess Co. IL Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:07:12 -0400 From: "Wayne L. Olsen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Ryan, Barbara, and others,... Looks like I have an Enoch in my ancestry, too. I'm the one who's been grasping at straws trying to find clues on the parentage of John D, Neavill (b. 12 Dec 1807 in TN, d. 7 Jan 1853 in Council Hill, Jo Daviess, IL) and his brother Alexander M. Neavill (b. 24 Sep 1809 in KY, d. 12 Mar 1881 in Potosi, Grant Co., WI). The James Nevill listed in the 1830 IL census in Jo Daviess Co is still a possibility as their father, but how about this one for coincidence......... The 1850 census for the Alexander Neaville household in Potosi, Grant Co WI lists one of the children as ENOCH F. Neavill, age 12, born in IL. The 1860 census still had him living with the family at age 22, listed as E. Frank Neavill. So, maybe, there was an uncle, great uncle, grandfather in that line named Enoch?? Any ideas or comments? As best I can piece together, Alexander and John D. Neavill moved with their parents from Kentucky sometime after 1809 to Ohio (unknown locality), then to the Springfield IL area. Alexander's obituary stated that he then arrived in the Galena lead mine area of Jo Daviess Co on Apr 30, 1827 (with or without parents... unknown), settled in Council Hill, then moved to Potosi WI (about 20 miles away - also lead mining area) in 1840. Alexander married Ann E. Meredith from Urbana, Champaign Co OH in 1831, and John D. married Ann's sister Maria 7 years later, but I haven't found anything to indicate that the Neavill brothers were ever in Champaign Co. Ryan, did your Enoch Sr spend any time in the Springfield, IL area? The clue that Shirley gave me about George Norval listed in Council Hill 1850 census didn't pan out... the guy was age 22, born in NY, and a single boarder living with a William Ennor family. Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA ************ Subject: Alexander and John Neavill of Potosi WI and Council Hill IL Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:29:46 -0400 From: "Wayne L. Olsen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] In Shirley Wilcox's post of today, she suggested that I post the 1850 and 1860 census records. Thanks. Will do. Here goes: 1850 Census, Wisconsion, Grant County 24th District (later Potosi): Name Age Sex Occupation state of birth A.M. Neavill 40 M Miner KY Ann E. Neavill 33 F OH Henry R. Neavill 12 M IL Enoch F. " 12 M IL James H. " 9 M IL Esiline " 8 F Iowa John A. " 6 M IL 1855 WI State Census: Lists Alex M. Neaville, head of household, 14 males, 3 females, Grant Co, Potosi 1860 Census, WI, Potosi, Grant Co.: Alexander M. Neaville 42 M Miner KY A. Eliza " 42 F OH Henry R " 24 M D IL E. Frank " 22 M D IL John A. " M IL Carlos E. " 7 M WI John L.W. Meredith 37 M Miner OH 1880 Census, WI, Potosi, Grant Co.: (Father's b.p.) (Mother's b.p.) Neavill, Alex M. 70 M Lumber dealer KY VA VA Ann. E. 63 F Keeping house OH VA VA Neavill, John (A.) 36 M Clerk IL TN OH Myra 30 F Keeping house WI NY CT Annie V. 3 F WI IL WI James Guy 2 M WI IL WI Libbie M. 4/12 F WI IL WI A few notes of explanation: 1. John A. Neavill was my ggrandfather; Libbie M. was my grandmother; 2. My gggrandfather was John D. Neavill, whom I haven't found in any 1850 census, or any census, for that matter. His wife died in Council Hill IL in 1847, and he died there in 1853. Evidently his brother Alexander M. Neavill had taken John A. Neavill and James H. Neavill in by 1850, and in fact formally adopted them after John D. Neavill died. 3. John D. Neavill was born in TN Dec 12, 1807; Alexander was born in KY Sep 24, 1809 (have no leads on where in either state)...... as you can tell, I'm still looking for John and Alexander's parents. 4. Interesting that Alexander aged only 2 years between 1850 and 1860. Wish I could do that! 5. Besides the name Enoch popping up as Alexander's son,... I stumbled across another interesting possibility: a Henry Neville was issued a mining permit for the Galena IL lead fields in Oct 1828 (ref F587.I6 F53, whatever that means). According to Alexander's obituary in 1881, at some point after his birth in KY, he moved with his parents to Ohio and then to Springfield, IL. "When about 18 years of age he started for the Galena lead mines, which place he reached on the 30th of Apr 1827. He finally settled at Council Hill, in Jo Daviess Co IL remaining there until 1840,..." then moved to Potosi, WI. Wondering out loud, Ryan , whether your Enoch Sr. had a brother named Henry? 6. According to Alexander's obituary, he had 10 children, but only 3 reached adult age, and two of them died in the civil war (Henry and Enoch F.) Carlos was the survivor. I have no idea who Esiline was,...born in Iowa? Alexander must have run a boarding house or something... notice he had 17 in his household in 1855! Hope this might have struck a resonant chord with someone. Thanks. Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA ************ Subject: Re: John of Mtg Co TN Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:09:37 -0400 From: "Wayne L. Olsen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hi Jan, Yesterday you wrote: "......I suspect some of our discussion list members who are looking at Nevilles in the same area where George W. Nevill's descendants migrated could be looking at John's sons. We need to find out exactly where he was in the 1830s and 1840s when he doesn't appear on the Montgomery Co. or Robertson Co., TN census. I have mentioned before that Irene Griffey said he and brother George Washington Nevill built flatboats over near Mississippi River in KY (Fulton, KY area). What a GREAT clue, finding two unknown sons of John in the 1820 census! I'm one of those looking to connect my Neavills to parents in the TN/KY area, and the info you provided could make for a "loose" fit, although it raises more questions than answers (doesn't it always!). Here's a quick summary of my Neavill endlink: John D. Neaville (b. Dec 12 1807 somewhere in TN; m. 1838 probably Jo Daviess Co IL; d. Jan 7 1853 Council Hill, Jo Daviess Co IL). He had a brother Alexander M. Neavill (b. Sep 24 1809 somewhere in KY; m. 1831 probably in Springfield, IL or Jo Daviess Co IL; d. Mar 12, 1881, Potosi, Grant Co, WI). 1880 census indicated that their parents were born in VA. Alexander's obit states that he removed with his parents to Ohio and from there to Springfield, IL. When about 18 yrs old, he went to the Galena (Jo Daviess Co, on the Mississippi) lead mining area, arriving there Apr 30, 1827 (my John was about 20 then,.. may or may not have been with Alexander). Both John and Alexander are listed as volunteers of a Galena company in 1830 raised for a skirmish in the Black Hawk War. Alexander moved to Potosi, WI in 1840 while John settled in Council Hill, northeast of Galena. They both remained in those area until their deaths. So, that's all I have on their early wanderings. A few big problems with the idea of linking up with John of Mtg Co TN,... do I understand it correctly that John of Mtg Co TN was living in Mtg Co for the 1850 census? Certainly doesn't match with the obit report of family moving to Springfield IL unless,.... at teenage years my John and Alexander may have tagged along with George W. Nevill's family. Building flatboats on the Mississippi does open up some possibilities. Another problem, ,,, sounds like many of his family migrated south, not north. I lost track - the John of Mtg Co TN - where was he born? And any idea where he was specifically in 1807 and 1809? (or maybe more properly, where his wife was!) Any other info on John of Mtg Co which would tend to correlate, or completely decorrelate, any connection with my John and Alexander? Thanks, everyone. Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA ************