Jan: Wow! Good stuff! Dorothy Kimbrel was my great aunt, by the way (Grandpa's sister). She did an awful lot of good work, and those working on my line owe a lot to her. You know, as a matter of elimination, I'm starting to think that this French line is the most likely one for me. I think it is fairly clear that John of Port Tobacco is not my ancestor, Richard Nevitt is not a Neville at all, and while there are a few "unaccounted for" lines around MD at the right time (prior to 1720s), Edward (d. 1756, Cecil, MD) had to come from SOMEWHERE (I suppose he could have gotten off a boat himself, but there's no record of it). But yes, the Cecil group you ID is in fact my line. Items: Do you have any evidence of any SC Nevilles moving to MD? I'd like to eliminate them right away, unless you think there's a reason not to. Edward died in 1756 and has been succeeded by nine or ten generations of Johns (myself included). That his father, grandfather and brother were named Jean/John wouldn't surprise me. Please clarify: it was Edward's father who was the doctor, right? Not the original immigrant? Do we have any idea what kind of Doctor? Other than the name and timing, I know of no further evidence that Edward came from New York. Any ideas for further research? My brother Pete is going to post our line again, as he has worked out a detailed version. He promised he'd post it today. I've added John Neufville (d. before 1753, Berkely Co., SC) to the Founders list. He's the right guy in that line, right? Thanks again, let me know if you have any other thoughts! >---------- >From: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net[SMTP:jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net] >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 1997 1:25 AM >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Jean deNeufville > >At 12:27 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Gabe: > >>Sorry but I have made no such discovery and I don't recall saying that. >>It is merely a possibility. What I may have said is that my Nevills here >>in Ontario married into the SECORD (SICARD) family who were of Huguenot >>ancestry and whose home when coming to North America was in New Rochelle, >>N.Y. as was Dr. Jean Neufvilles. The above mentioned marriage took >>place in 1808 which is a long time removed from Dr. John Neufville of New >>Rochelle. There is of course a chance that these families were >>acquainted back in New Rochelle; it was a small settlement so they >>likely were but whether that would be remembered in Ontario more than >>100 years later is doubtful. However it is certainly worth exploring the >>possibility of our Nevill ancestors in MD being of Huguenot ancestry. >> >> >>Last week I wrote to The Huguenot Society in N.Y. State asking if they >>have any information on John Neufville in their files and if so could I >>purchase copies. I will post the results if and when I obtain any. >> >> Paddy >_________________________ >Paddy, > >My last post went out before I read your reply. I am interested to hear >what you learn about Dr. Jean. > >In response to Neufvilles in New Rochelle and Nevilles in Cecil Co., MD, >here is what I have: > >According to a correspondent, Dorothy Neville Kimbrell, in 1690 Dr. Jean de >Neufville from Tours, France, purchased land in New Rochelle, NY. He had a >son John b. 1678. This son John died before 1710, leaving two young sons, >Edward and John. > >The same correspondent indicated that Edward, son of Dr. Jean above, could >possibly be the Edward Neville who appeared in Cecil Co., MD, in early >1700s. In Cecil Co., MD, an Edward and Thomas Neville appeared in court >records on 28 April 1721. An Edward Neville and his wife Mary of St. Mary >Ann Parish, Cecil Co., MD, had issue: William (b. 1719), Thomas (b. 1721), >Sara (b. 1727), Joseph (b. 1729), James (b. 1732), and John (b. 1740). Thus >far, I have not heard or seen anything which links Edward, son of Jean de >Neufville, and Edward Neville of Cecil Co., MD. (This is your line isn't >it, Gabe? Would you mind posting your lineage again. I must have joined >this list after you did this. The info. I have on this line is from Dorothy >Neville Kimbrell.) > >I will post what I have researched on NY and SC Neufville family since it >may connect with information some of the rest of you have. > >From HISTORY OF HUGUENOT EMIGRATION TO AMERICA by Chas. Baird: John de >Neufville, b. ca 1639, in Tours, France. May 3, 1712 will in New Rochelle, >New York names wife Rachel le Vilain, native of isle of St. Christopher. >Will probated 21 Dec. 1716. Everything was left to widow, so we have a widow >Rachel Neufville/Neville in early 1700s. (How's that for muddying the >waters, Ren?) New Rochelle, NY 1698 census shows following children with >John/Jean and Rachel Neufville: John, age 20; Prudence, age 18; Mary, age >16; Jeanne, age 14; James Peter, age 12; Sehe(?) age 8; Josias, age 7; >Rachel, age 6; Martha, age 3. This gives you an idea of who was running >around up North with a Neufville surname which was often corrupted to >Neuville/Neaville/Neville because the f is silent when the French >pronunciation is used. > >From COLLECTIONS OF THE HUGUENOT SOCIETY OF AMERICA / VOL. I/ REGISTERS OF >THE BIRTHS/ MARRIAGES/ AND DEATHS OF THE "ENGLISE FRANCOISE A LA NOUVELLE >YORK" FROM 1688 TO 1804, p. 165: Baptesme- Auiourdhuy dimanche 6e de May >1722 aprest las predication du soir monsr. Rou a Baptise' Jean Noviles ne' >le 27e darvil dernr. fils de guillaume Noviles et de Susanne son Epouse >presente' au St. Baptesme par daniel Beau et Jeane Renaud parrain et >Marainne. > L: ROU Pasteur. W. NEVILE > DANIEL BEAU > JEANNE RENAUD > >[I posted the above exactly as written in source in case my college French >paraphase is not close enough to exact translation: English French in New >York- On 6 May 1722, Pastor Rou baptized Jean Noviles, born 27 April, son of >Willam and Susanne Noviles. Daniel Beau and Jeane Renaud, godfather and >godmother. Signed: W. Nevile, Daniel Beau, Jeanne Renaud] > >From 30,000 NAMES OF IMMIGRANTS IN PENNSYLVANIA by Daniel Rupp, p. 463: >"Names of Males at New Rochelle [NY] in 1710" includes John Neffveile, age >69, and Josiah Neffveile, age 18. > >Neufvilles are also found in early 1700s in area of Charleston, South >Carolina. At one time, I thought I had found a link between John Neufville >of Charleston in early 1700s and those in New Rochelle, but I have since >decided that there is not enough evidence. > >Notes on migration patterns: During the reign of Louis XIV, persecution of >French Protestants, the Huguenots, became acute. In the last fifteen years >of the 17th century, thousands of the most talented people of France fled to >Switzerland, Holland, and British Isles. A scattering of Huguenots were >settling in South Carolina between 1670 and 1680. Around 500 were in >Charleston area by 1700, but no large groups arrived until 1732 and again in >1764. Almost on the eve of the Revolution, Huguenot colonists were given >land in what is now McCormick County in the rugged up-country of SC. The >settlement was named New Bordeaux and was southwest of Abbeville, which was >also settled by French. According to one source (which I can't find right >now), SC is said to be the first place the Huguenots settled in the >colonies. One group of Huguenot settlers arrived in "Manikintown," VA, (on >James River) in 1690 and another in 1699. Many of these emigrants moved >farther south, settling on the river Trent, a branch of the Neuse, in North >Carolina, where a colony was established in 1707. Around 1683, many >Huguenots settled in and around Germantown, Pennsylvania. Initial >settlements in Frederick Co., MD, occurred around and before 1735. New >Rochelle, in Westchester Co., NY, was settled by Huguenots from Rochelle, a >seaport-town of France. [They may have come to NY by way of another country >sympathetic to the plight of the brutally persecuted Calvinist Huguenots; >thus the country of birth for a child born during the time of Huguenot >emigration might be listed as England. My note - Jan] (Sources: SOUTH >CAROLINA / A HISTORY by Louis B. Wright. MEMORIALS OF THE HUGUENOTS by A. >Stapleton. COLLECTIONS OF HUGUENOT SOCIETY, VOL. I - see above.) An >interesting side note: In addition to typical French given names such as >Robert, Jean/John, Guilluame/William, and Philip, many male Huguenot given >names were Biblical, such as Zachariah, Ephraim, Daniel, Josiah, Isaiah, >Baranabas, Jacob, Gabriel, and all of the apostles' names. Rachel was also >a popular given name for girls (as in New Rochelle). > >In Joseph Habersham's HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS / VOL. I, p. 222: "182. >NEUFVILLE- >In Sunday's constitution I read a letter signed by James Neuville in which >he stated that the family of Neuville settled in different parts of the >states including South Carolina. Elizabeth Neufville (a Huguenot) was the >wife of James Moore, second Colonial Governor of South Carolina...There are >two sons of the late Frank Neufville living in Atlanta. Their father was >raised in Savannah, Georgia. The writer of the letter published had the >name spelled in many ways. The name in my family is dated in 1700 >Neufville..." > >1726-1737: Rebecca Flavell to John Neufville, leases and releases for part >of town lot #38 in Charlestown. >1735: John Neuvuill, plat for 700 acres in Berkley County, SC. >1736: John Neufille, land grant for 700 acres in Berkley County, SC. >In THE HUGUENOTS OF COLONIAL SOUTH CAROLINA by A. H. Hirsch: Neufville name >found in records in 1730s. >John Neufville #1 had apparently died before 1753 when the following case >appeared in SC court: Jacob Martin, survivor of John Neufville vs. Hugh >Cartwright, judgement roll, 1753 (SC Dept. of Archives and History >Alaphabetical Index). > >DAR LINEAGE BOOK, VOL. 159, p. 285: John Neufville (1725-1804) appointed by >Provincial Government, 1775, one of committee of three to seize British mail >at port of Charleston. John was born in England and died in Charleston, SC. >He married in 1746 to Martha Rogers (1728-1779). Thier daughter Christian >Neufville (1750-1841) m. John Hyslop. > >DAR LINEAGE BOOK, VOL. 140, p. 109: [Contradictory information - Jan] John >Neufville (1727-1804), intercepter of important dispatches; b. and d. in >South Carolina; married Elizabeth Moore (1730-1807) in 1749. [Was the above >Martha Rogers the first wife? - Jan] Their son: Isaac Neufville (1767-1817) >m. 1794 Ann Simons. Son of Isaac and Ann: Benjamin Simons Neufville >(1802-1855) m. in 1831 to Harriet Elenor Gray (1807-1893). Son of Benj. and >Harriet: Benjamin Kohne Neufville (1834-1904) m. Julia Torr (1835-1877). > >SC WILLS, VOL. 29, p. 717 & 718 (SC Dept. of Archive and History, Columbia, >SC): >John Neufville of Charleston, SC, names wife Elizabeth, and sons John >Neufville, Edward Neufville, Peter Marshall Neufville, Isaac Neufville, and >dau. Elizabeth Neufville [witnesses not listed on copy I have - Jan]. >Proved on 9 Nov. 1804. (Will Book 1800-1807, Book D, p. 501) > >South Carolina, District of Charleston, Ordinarys Office, July 13, 1834: >"I certify that satisfactory evidence was adduced(?) to me to prove that >Eliza Kohne - widow - a sister of the deceased - John - William - and >Benjamin Neufville, sons of the late Isaac Neufville - a brother of the >Deceased - are the Representatives and the only heirs at law in fee(?) to >Dr. Willm. Neufville who was a Surgeon in the South Carolina Line under the >commanding Officers in the same- Given under my hand and Seal of Office, >this thirteenth day of July 1834. Thomas Lehre Junr. Ordinary Charleston >District [This came from the folder of Revolutionary War service of William >Neufville, I think - Jan] >_____________________________ > > >