Jeanne & Jan, Thank you for your posts on "Neville/Noble of West Chester, MD". I don't know what to make of all this yet, but here are some tid-bits: Jan wrote: "I wonder if he (James Nevill of Fenwick) had other Neville relatives who came to the colonies." Here's a likely candidate and possibly great source of info: The Smith family (Burlington County, New Jersey, and of Philadelphia) Papers include NEVILL, SAMUEL (1697?-1764) correspondence. [Libraries, Private. Burlington (N.J.), Moorestown (N.J.), Burlington County (N.J.), Philadelphia (Pa.), Legislators -- New Jersey. lcsh Merchants. lcsh Control No.: NJRV93] I'm guessing that he is related to the Samuel Nevill that was a member of General Free Assembly in 1682 [Salem, Co NJ Genealogical Data. by Stanley Craig] Gabe, could you get to the Philly library? Shirley wrote: "But, if the residence of Thomas Hartshorne (Married William Nevill to Sarah Noble in 1694) could be identified as in MD, NJ or MA, we would have an answer as to what Salem was being referred to for this marriage." A Thomas Hartshorne was born in Reading, Massachusetts 1642. [http://uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/Tracy_Ashley_Crocker/CROCKER/d2/i00050 97.htm] and aparantly married Hannah __, May 10, 1671 [Early Massachusetts Marriages Prior to 1800. page 79]. Reading is about 10 miles from Salem. I've e-mailed the Crocker genealogist to see if she knows of any Thomas Hartshornes that were likely to be doing marriage ceremonies. If I recall correctly, the Hartshornes were a prominent Cecil Co MD family, and warrented a short section in George Johnston's History of Cecil Co. Does anyone have easy access to the book? How far back do the Cecil Co Hartshornes go? These Hartshornes migrated up to Chester County PA where my gradeschool class teacher was a Hartshorne. I'll have to get in touch with her. ----------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Jeanne: Neville/Noble of West Chester, MD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peter and Jeanne, A comment on James Neville who arrived on the Griffith: He may be the same James Nevill of Fenwick's colony in West Salem, NJ. I posted notes on him last July or August. He was an agent for Fenwick and later for Penn. Neville was involved in an estate settlement and may have gone back to London to settle it after his arrival here; therefore, he may be on more than one ship's passenger's list. The footnote on him in the source I used stated that he does not seem to have had children. However, I wonder if he had other Neville relatives who came to the colonies. The records refer to him being from Stepney, London and London, England. Since he was settling his father's estate, I wonder if we could turn up his father's will in London. Jan > > Now - from the book Ship Passenger Lists New York and New Jersey 1600- > 1825 by Carl Boyer: > > John Fenwick's Colony - the oldest English speaking settlement on the > DE River, Salem Co., NJ. > > Passengers on the Griffith 1675: [arrived, fall, 1675] p. 215 > > James Nevill > > History of the Colony.... New Jersey... p. 217 > > One moiety or half part of the province of NJ belonged to the Lord > Berkeley, and now was sold to John Fenwick, in trust for edward > Bylling and his assigns. Fenwick, in 1675, set sail to visit the new > purchase in a ship from London, called the Gritfith; arriving after a > good passage... he called [the place] Salem... near the DE River. > Other passengers... Richard Noble... > This was the first English ship that came to West Jersey, and none > followed for two years, owing to a difference between Fenwick & > Byllinge ... > The proprietors, William Penn, Nicholas Lucas, E. Byllinge, John > Eldridge and Edmond Warner.... > Among other purchases of the West Jersey lands were two companies, one > made up of Friends of Yorkshire, the other Friends of London > [Quakers]. > > The same book has a list of oath of abjuration 1715-16: Rachel > Neufeile [of New Rochell, widow] > > I think I've posted all this previously, but I'm including it to > ponder if their is some connection with James Neville and Richard > Noble arriving at the same time... > > > Jeanne > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== >Have you tried the Rootsweb Surname Helper Search Engine? >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html > > ______________________________ Shirley, I was searching some old posts for information related to Peter's current research and came across the following post from you. When you have time, would you compare it to some notes I found on the New Salem, West Jersey James Nevill (taken from notes I posted last summer)? He was the James who came from Stepney or Stebonheath, London, Middlesex Co., England, to Fenwick's colony in New Salem and was later an agent for Lord Baltimore (Baltimore also one of the proprietors in West Jersey). I am wondering if you think he is the same person found in Someset Co., MD. That idea could turn out to be relevant to the research I am doing on James Nevill in Bath/Beaufort Co., NC in the late 1600s-early 1700s. Jan ---------------- To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:29:58 -0500 Subject: WM m SARAH NOBLE Jeanne, Do we really know that Wm Nevil m Sarah Noble in MA? I am not sure that I have seen a record that gives the state of the marriage. What I have is that they were married in Salem and there were a number of Salem's. I haven't checked for dates of founding to make sure they were in existences in 1694, but Dorchester Co., MD has a Salem as does Salem Co., NJ. Both of these are closer to Charles Co, MD than is Salem, MA. I believe the reference for this Salem marriage is in Charles Co. Land & Court Records, Vol. 18, V No. 1, 1696-98, p243. At the 14 Sept. 1697 court William Nevill produced a certificate to show that Sarah Noble was his lawfull wife. The certificate is dated "Salem October ye 28th day 1694" and is signed by Tho: Hartshorne. Witnesses were Wm fraford, Richard Whittman & Mary Whitman. I am not sure from my notes if these were witnesses at the time of the marriage or witnesses in court when this was presented, or what. But, if the residence of Thomas Hartshorne could be identified as in MD, NJ or MA, we would have an answer as to what Salem was being referred to for this marriage. Another Salem reference, again with no state mentioned, is in 1685 when James Nevill of Salem was named as executor in the will of Edmond Gibbon of Delaware River. [Baldwin, MD Calendar of Wills 2:5] Then in 1686 James Nevill of Salem sold to Robert Ashton & Richard Darkin both of Newcastle Co., PA, yeomen, the tract "Windham". I don't have notes on the deed. This is from Thompson. Jones, Richardson, Duhamel & Allied Families of MD, p453. I think this is the James of Somerset & Wicomico Co., MD. Are there other Salem references that I do not have? Shirley