Guess I started to hallucinate on exuberance. If the baptismal record in 1733 of Joseph, son of Joseph is correct and we interpret that as Joseph Neville Sr (1707) and Joseph Neville Jr. (1733) and we know that Gen. Joe Jr. (1733)and Gen. John (1731) were brothers via testimony and letters to Cuthbert Bullitt, then that has to put Joliffe and Wulfect out some where left of center as Richard and Ann Buroughs could not be then Gen. Johns parents if he is brother to Joseph, son of Joseph. Sorry about that. Now, while on the Richard and Ann kick, Shirley has Richard Neville the emigrant married to Mary who has a son James born 1655. On 10-14-1651, John Lewger demanded land for transporting persons among whom was "Ann____, now wife of Richard Neville (Maryland Land Office, Liber AB-H, folio 150). Does anyone know who this Ann is. Is this Ann Burroughs, now non mother to John Neville 1731, is this the first wife of the immigrant Richard who secondly married Mary or do we now have two Richard's running around at the same time......... -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"