Shirley.....if you keep digging, your going to re-write the book! Being a descendant off of this line, I have never felt comfortable with Booghers assumption that James Neville was a son of John Neville and Bridget Thorsley and for some reason, got whoopsed from his fathers (unproved son) will and as I recall additionally got killed by Indians twice. I believe Shirley has pointed out in the past that additionally a case can be made by Dorothy Ford Wulfect in "Marriage of Some VA. Residents 1607-1800 Vol.II, Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1986 that shows Richard Neville of VA and Ann Burroughs and uses the sources 16V53: DAR no. 56719; Joliffe p.74, reportedly Richard Married Ann Burroughs and a son was born 1731. Seemingly this Richard could be the son of James Neville (and Dorothy Sturgis) son of the immigrant Richard Neville b. abt 1630 and Mary which Shirley has brilliantly researched. This son born in 1731 "reportedly" refers to Gen. John Neville born 7-26-1731 who married Winifred Oldham, proven brother to Gen. Joseph Neville Jr. born 12-2-1733 who married Agnes Brown. Seemingly Shirley is putting a strong case together for the separation of James Neville from John Neville and Bridget Thorsley. -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"