This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YA3.2ACEB/352.1 Message Board Post: The crest is a saltire argent on a field gules or in English a red shield with a white St.Andrew's cross The motto is Ne Vile Velis "Form No Mean Thought"