I could be wayyyyyyyy out of it (as usual) but just found out that the Ark and Dove Society is still in existence. I had written them 15 years ago with no luck, mail returned, and had assumed that the Society had been disbanded. My question to the Society would concern the proof that James Neville was a son of John Neville and Bridget Thorsley. I was going to write them and see what they had to say but thought there might be another (others) on the list much more qualified, knowledgeable and familiar with all the details i.e.: Shirley :) or one on the list that lives in the Baltimore area that perhaps should address the situation for the benefit of all, or maybe it has already been addressed. I'm making the assumption that the "Society" has had and has approved membership applications from the male line of John and Bridget. I have been told that they require "proof" before you can become a member. What information I have on membership etc. is: THE SOCIETY OF THE ARK AND THE DOVE Mrs. Matthew S. Atkinson III, Registrar 6004 Roland Avenue Baltimore, MD 21210-1112 http://www.thearkandthedove.com/ http://www.thearkandthedove.com/passengers.html Let me know if I have just elected myself or if those more qualified than I would like to pursue the matter......Ren -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"