Guess the vote is in, the Ark and Dove Society other than some conflicts we have not as I recall discussed on the list, follows the genealogy of William Boogher word for word. Who's to say if Mr. Boogher is not correct however I still have the problem with the reincarnated spirit of James Neville being shot by Indians in two different states and Shirley puts forth a great argument that his father was one Richard Neville etc. Point being, the "Society" has been around for awhile and there might be some on the list that would like to join. Applications for the Society can be had for the mailing. Martha E. Atkins, Registrar 6004 Roland Ave. Baltimore MD 21210-1112 Shirley, once again thank you for all of your help, very much appreciated! -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

Thanks, Shirley for your extra effort and careful work. Donna Donna C. Browning, Ph. D Educational Psychology Mississippi State University >>> slwilcox@juno.com 03/20/02 08:32PM >>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:07:45 -0800 REN AND JUDY NEVILLE <beschutzer@earthlink.net> writes: > I just received some more "information" from the Ark and Dove > Society relating to the descendants of John Neville. Enclosed was a > "Manuscript" written by one Robert Fleming Neville Jr. of Mobile > Alabama dated 6-22-1937 (in conjunction with George B. Neville, both > lawyers) which has been given to the Society by Ivan Bruner Nevill, Sr. > Unfortunately Mr. Flemings "manuscript" appears to be almost word > for word of the genealogy report issued by William Boogher. ..... > Another was a typed research page that showed the John Neville born > 1651-2, Northhampton Co., VA married to Elizabeth Bohanan and gave > as their proof (1) see Liber B, folio 387 and Liber 7, folio 545 and Liber 6, > folio 200: Virginia Magazine Vol. 36, ,p 74. The first references for Liber B, folio 387, Liber 7, folio 545, and Liber 6, folio 200 don't say what record books these libers are from. These citations were lifted from Boogher's report under his treatment of the Third Generation. I suspect the authors that lifted this material never checked the authenticity of the sources. Perhaps one of the citations is Virginia's Patent Book 7, as you will see below. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Two: 1666-1695 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1977). p304 Patent Book No. 7 "MR. JOHN NEVILL, 246 acs., Low. Par. of Is. of Wight Co., on the W. br. of Nanzemond Riv; opposite Thomas Oglethorp's house; & adj. Christopher Wade; 30 Oct. 1686, p545. Tras. of 5 pers: Peter Morgan, James Kerryman (or Kenyman), Ellinor Dobson, Xpher. Ellyson, Henry Kerby." There is a Patent Book 6, but page 200 concerns land granted to Mr. Rich. Nelmes and another grant to Jonathan Howes. Booger says, in speaking of land belonging to the man he calls John Neville Jr. , "...Oct. 26, 1699, 250 acres in Nansemond county (liber 6, folio 220)..." Instead, this date, but not the number of acres, appears to refer to Virginia's Patent Book 9, p220. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Three: 1695-1732 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1978). p30 Patent Book No. 9 "JOHN NEVILL & THOMAS MARLOR, 650 acrs., Nansemond Co., 26 Oct. 1699, p. 220. Escheated from Robert Throgmorton, dec'd., by inquisition under William Randolph, Esch'r., &c." Boogher also says John "settled with his parents in Isle of Wight county where in 1684 he purchased 92 acres of land (See liber B, folio 387)". This 92 acres was in Virginia's Patent Book 7 & I suspect he once again gave a wrong source citation. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Two: 1666-1695 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1977). p278 Patent Book No. 7 "MR. JOHN NEVELL, 92 acs., in Low. Par. of Is. of Wight Co; adj. Mr. Robert Coleman; & Christopher Wade; 20 Apr. 1684, p. 378. Trans. of 2 pers.*" Here is what appeared in the Virginia Historical Magazine, Vol. 36 (1928), p74. As you will see there is nothing that even talks about John Neville & Elizabeth Bohanan, let alone gives proof for the above statement. VA Historical Magazine, Vol. 36 (1928) p74 "The Nevills of the upper James River possibly descended from the family of the name resident in Isle of Wight county at an earlier period. In 1731, James Nevill, of Goochland county, made a deed for a tract of land granted him in 1722. The record of a suit in the Williamsburg Chancery Court, Thomas vs. Nevill, shows that James Nevill, of St. Anne's parish, Albemarle county, whose will was dated March 7, 1742, and proved November 9, 1752, was twice married. By his first wife (1) James, who died in 1784, leaving issue: a son Lewis; (2) Mrs. Joanna Brown; (3) Mrs. Hannah Matthews; (4) Mrs. Mary Douglas. Issue by second marriage, to Lucy Thomas: (5) Cornelius Thomas (who took his mother's surname, married and had issue, John, Cornelius, Elizabeth, who married John Wood, Lucy married James Lewis, and Sally who married Thomas Moore); (7) Bethenia Thomas, who took her mother's surname, and married (in 1760 or 1761) George Hilton; (8) Martha, married Henry Hobson; (9) Elizabeth, died unmarried; (10) Judith, married Robert Mitchell, of Richmond; (11) Sally, married 1st, Michaux; 2nd, Vaughan. The widow Lucy (Thomas) Nevill married, 2nd, Abraham Childress). Captain James Nevill, the first of the family who has been traced, was a captain of militia in Goochland, 1740, etc., and one of the first justices of Albemarle in 1744...." It goes on to discuss James and his descendants. Note that the author does not claim that the lineage of James is known, but instead says he was the first of the family who has been traced, and that Nevills of the upper James River POSSIBLY descended from Isle of Wight. People tend to overlook these important qualifier words. If anyone can see how any of these references prove that John Neville, born 1651-2, Northampton Co., VA married Elizabeth Bohanan, I'd sure like to hear about it. Shirley Langdon Wilcox ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== Visit the Neville Heritage Society Home Page: http://www.prairienet.org/neville/

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:07:45 -0800 REN AND JUDY NEVILLE <beschutzer@earthlink.net> writes: > I just received some more "information" from the Ark and Dove > Society relating to the descendants of John Neville. Enclosed was a > "Manuscript" written by one Robert Fleming Neville Jr. of Mobile > Alabama dated 6-22-1937 (in conjunction with George B. Neville, both > lawyers) which has been given to the Society by Ivan Bruner Nevill, Sr. > Unfortunately Mr. Flemings "manuscript" appears to be almost word > for word of the genealogy report issued by William Boogher. ..... > Another was a typed research page that showed the John Neville born > 1651-2, Northhampton Co., VA married to Elizabeth Bohanan and gave > as their proof (1) see Liber B, folio 387 and Liber 7, folio 545 and Liber 6, > folio 200: Virginia Magazine Vol. 36, ,p 74. The first references for Liber B, folio 387, Liber 7, folio 545, and Liber 6, folio 200 don't say what record books these libers are from. These citations were lifted from Boogher's report under his treatment of the Third Generation. I suspect the authors that lifted this material never checked the authenticity of the sources. Perhaps one of the citations is Virginia's Patent Book 7, as you will see below. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Two: 1666-1695 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1977). p304 Patent Book No. 7 "MR. JOHN NEVILL, 246 acs., Low. Par. of Is. of Wight Co., on the W. br. of Nanzemond Riv; opposite Thomas Oglethorp's house; & adj. Christopher Wade; 30 Oct. 1686, p545. Tras. of 5 pers: Peter Morgan, James Kerryman (or Kenyman), Ellinor Dobson, Xpher. Ellyson, Henry Kerby." There is a Patent Book 6, but page 200 concerns land granted to Mr. Rich. Nelmes and another grant to Jonathan Howes. Booger says, in speaking of land belonging to the man he calls John Neville Jr. , "...Oct. 26, 1699, 250 acres in Nansemond county (liber 6, folio 220)..." Instead, this date, but not the number of acres, appears to refer to Virginia's Patent Book 9, p220. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Three: 1695-1732 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1978). p30 Patent Book No. 9 "JOHN NEVILL & THOMAS MARLOR, 650 acrs., Nansemond Co., 26 Oct. 1699, p. 220. Escheated from Robert Throgmorton, dec'd., by inquisition under William Randolph, Esch'r., &c." Boogher also says John "settled with his parents in Isle of Wight county where in 1684 he purchased 92 acres of land (See liber B, folio 387)". This 92 acres was in Virginia's Patent Book 7 & I suspect he once again gave a wrong source citation. Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Two: 1666-1695 (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1977). p278 Patent Book No. 7 "MR. JOHN NEVELL, 92 acs., in Low. Par. of Is. of Wight Co; adj. Mr. Robert Coleman; & Christopher Wade; 20 Apr. 1684, p. 378. Trans. of 2 pers.*" Here is what appeared in the Virginia Historical Magazine, Vol. 36 (1928), p74. As you will see there is nothing that even talks about John Neville & Elizabeth Bohanan, let alone gives proof for the above statement. VA Historical Magazine, Vol. 36 (1928) p74 "The Nevills of the upper James River possibly descended from the family of the name resident in Isle of Wight county at an earlier period. In 1731, James Nevill, of Goochland county, made a deed for a tract of land granted him in 1722. The record of a suit in the Williamsburg Chancery Court, Thomas vs. Nevill, shows that James Nevill, of St. Anne's parish, Albemarle county, whose will was dated March 7, 1742, and proved November 9, 1752, was twice married. By his first wife (1) James, who died in 1784, leaving issue: a son Lewis; (2) Mrs. Joanna Brown; (3) Mrs. Hannah Matthews; (4) Mrs. Mary Douglas. Issue by second marriage, to Lucy Thomas: (5) Cornelius Thomas (who took his mother's surname, married and had issue, John, Cornelius, Elizabeth, who married John Wood, Lucy married James Lewis, and Sally who married Thomas Moore); (7) Bethenia Thomas, who took her mother's surname, and married (in 1760 or 1761) George Hilton; (8) Martha, married Henry Hobson; (9) Elizabeth, died unmarried; (10) Judith, married Robert Mitchell, of Richmond; (11) Sally, married 1st, Michaux; 2nd, Vaughan. The widow Lucy (Thomas) Nevill married, 2nd, Abraham Childress). Captain James Nevill, the first of the family who has been traced, was a captain of militia in Goochland, 1740, etc., and one of the first justices of Albemarle in 1744...." It goes on to discuss James and his descendants. Note that the author does not claim that the lineage of James is known, but instead says he was the first of the family who has been traced, and that Nevills of the upper James River POSSIBLY descended from Isle of Wight. People tend to overlook these important qualifier words. If anyone can see how any of these references prove that John Neville, born 1651-2, Northampton Co., VA married Elizabeth Bohanan, I'd sure like to hear about it. Shirley Langdon Wilcox

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Bonnie...you got me on this one. I don't know if Granderson Dandridge Neville died before 1864 making Annette Travis Neville a widow or if she was one of Granderson's conquests and was a statistic and remarried again prior to Crotzer. Also as you note, I have no dates on Crotzer and wonder she was married to a Barnett as per the Richard Barnett age 5 in her custody on the 1870 census. Granderson occupied quite a bit of space on the Neville-List awhile back and I am sure there is a ton of stuff archived on Rootsweb. There are/were a few "followers" of Mr. G on the "List" so I am going to forward your post to the Neville-List in hopes that someone will contact you and perhaps clarify the situation a tad. Thanx for the post......Ren Bonnie Henry wrote: > I have been trying to put together a puzzle as we all are in genealogy, > My ancestor is Phillip Crotzer, I have some information that might be of > use to you. It seems the marriage record posted for Annette Neville may > be incorrect. I have record of Phillip Crotzer marriage to Annette > Neville, a widow on 27 My 1864. Also the 1870 Census for Clarksville, > Montgomery Co, Tn > > District #11 Enumerated 11 July 1870 > > Crotzer, Armettia W F 52 Head of household Value of property 500/800 TN > > Nevil, Edward J. W M 20 TN > Travis, Albert B. W M 11 TN > Barnett, Richard M. W M 5 TN > > I really believe this is Annette. Let me know what you think and if > this helps. > > STAY IN TOUCH > > As Always, > Bonnie -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

Confusion as usual. On the "notes" I received from the Ark and Dove Society, under William Neville, son of John Neville and Johanna Porter, a Capt A. C. Buskey Jr., evidently a genealogist for the Ark and Dove Society on 3-21-1963 made some notes on a genealogy report copy that showed this William having sons John Neville and Benjamin Neville. He penciled in Thomas Neville but stated that he could have been a brother to William but "not" his son. I'm sure we have kicked around the similarity of names between this William and the reported William b. 1615 of England, then of Isle of Wight Co., VA whose son John had a Benjamin and John, and it would sure be nice to tie these two branches together, but other than lacking notes, proofs etc. and the similarity, I am curious of anyone on the "List" might have some information on this Thomas Neville, reported son of William Neville (above) and Sarah Noble that the good captain Bushey said could have been a brother but not a son.....thanx -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

Hi Mary Ellen: I read your message with great interest. My ggg grandfather was named Thomas Neville and his wife was Catherine. Her maiden name was Morgan. As far as we know they had two children: John and Bridget. Not sure when Thomas came to Canada, but John (born 1840) emigrated from Ireland in 1853. I have located death records for Thomas and Catherine, and John as well. Can't locate Bridget's death record. Our family bible (circa 1880) is the source of many family records as well. Please share what you have learned. Thanks! Tom Neville

I just received some more "information" from the Ark and Dove Society relating to the descendants of John Neville. Enclosed was a "Manuscript" written by one Robert Fleming Neville Jr. of Mobile Alabama dated 6-22-1937 (in conjunction with George B. Neville, both lawyers) which has been given to the Society by Ivan Bruner Nevill, Sr. Unfortunately Mr. Flemings "manuscript" appears to be almost word for word of the genealogy report issued by William Boogher. I will take these papers page by page and compare them to what has been submitted by the "List" however there was a couple of items I don't think I had seen before which I'd like to throw out. On one of the papers there was a picture of one of the Neville's arms which noted (undocumented) that the subject arms (picture) was accredited to John, American immigrant, who was born on the Isle of Wight (England) about 1612 and arrived in America aboard the Ark and the Dove in 1634. Another was a typed research page that showed the John Neville born 1651-2, Northhampton Co., VA married to Elizabeth Bohanan and gave as their proof (1) see Liber B, folio 387 and Liber 7, folio 545 and Liber 6, folio 200: Virginia Magazine Vol. 36, ,p 74. As I recall, there was some discussion recently regarding if this Elizabeth was a Bohannan or if John was even married to an Elizabeth so perhaps those who have access to the Virginia Magazine might check this out. Finally, in the Robert Fleming Neville Jr. "Manuscript" without looking at my Boogher report, there is mentioned that John Neville's second wife was Ann_____, whom he has a son, John, born 1647. Ann reportedly died in1647 leaving her infant son surviving and then John transported his third wife Johanna Porter. As I recall, I have always shown this John as born in 1646 and a son of Bridget Thorsley. I think I might be curious just who this Ann was and if married to John and who the mama was of John Jr. More later to come (perhaps).....Ren -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Neville, Redmond,Whitty,Chapman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YA3.2ACEB/344 Message Board Post: Hi All, I am still looking for Thomas Neville who was married to Catherine and was born in Ireland ,came to Newfoundland had three children then went to Halifax county N.S and had six more. My grandmother was the youngest and born about 1869.What happen to all the kids.Any help would be great. Thanks for any info. Mary Ellen

Ren, You mean you have had the Boogher notes all these years and have not shared? Well! There sure is more than one way to spell Neville, there has got to be more than one to spell Boogher. Take care, Tom

A new found relative e-mailed me and said he just received a late 1930's address book formerly belonging to one of his ancestors, in which was listed my grandparents name and also the name of one Marie Neville Bougher. (God I hope a Neville didn't marry into William Booghers line), but that aside, I have no knowledge of this person and wonder if anyone on the list recognizes the name.........take care....Ren -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

Hiram Neville & Harriet Babb were married 22 July 1818, Frederick CO., VA. My information on this family has lots of holes. I believe Hiram was on the 1830 census of Frederick Co., VA & the 1840 & 1850 census of Vermillion Co., IL. I suspect Harriet died before the 1840 census & Hiram married a second time to Martha Williams, 25 July 1839, Vermillion Co., IL Jo Neville showed a Hiram as the son of Henry Neville of Frederick Co., VA, but I don't know what the proof is. He would fit as the oldest son born 1794-1802 on the 1820 census of Frederick Co., VA. Hiram & Harriet Neville had: *Marium Caroline m. Charles Bardrick, 21 July 1839, Vermillion Co., IL *Susan Jane, m Benjamin Warren Madden, 16 Feb. 1841, Tippecanoe Co., IN. I suspect they also had: *Henry M, b ca 1827, VA, m(1) Mary Clark, 27 May 1845, Vermillion Co, IL, m(2) Anna Butler, 7 Dec 1849, Clark Co, IL *Joseph B, b ca 1823, VA, m Mary As per census records, there may also be three other females. The children of the second marriage can be found on the 1850 census of Vermillion Co, IL. Hiram had apparently died by the 1860 census. *James, b ca 1837, IL [date doesn't agree with marriage, unless he is a child of the first wife] *Elizabeth, b ca 1842, IL *Martha, b ca 1845, IL *Emma, b ca 1849, IL [m ?Francis M Welch, 25 May 1872, Vermillion Co, IL?] Shirley Langdon Wilcox ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hello List- I just had a major breakthrough which I am going to share. I have been searching and searching for the parents of Susan J. Neville, and just found out who they are through a listing for the SAR. Illinois Society of the SAR Yearbook, 1896 James Hiram Madden, merchant, Danville, Ill. born, Romney, Indiana , November 30, 1841; admitted October, 1892. Benjamin Warren Madden= Susan J. Neville Hiram Neville=Harriet Babb Henry Mercer Babb=Susan Anderson James Babb= Jane Mercer Gen. Hugh Mercer b. Scotland, 1720; lived in Fredericksburg, Va; who was with Braddock's expedition; was wounded at Braddock's defeat. He was killed at the battle of Princeton, January 12, 1777. Now, can anyone tell me anything about Hiram Neville and his wife Harriet Babb? Thanks so much, Libby Stone

Hi Shirley and List members, I haven't been very active in researching or on the Nev-List since our last child was born, I guess it's time to get going again. Thanks for raising one of my favorite issues -- the William Nevill of Talbot/Queen Annes County connection. A question and a comment. Do we know that Salem in Dorchester County existed in the late 1600s? Salem, New Jersey is also a possibile "source" for Sarah Noble who marries William Neville in 1694. Salem, NJ is only 30 miles from the head of the Chester River which was the main trade route for northern Talbot County. The following is circumstantial at best, but kinda interesting. There were Nevilles, Salters and Nobles in Salem, NJ in the 1690s and there are Nevilles, Salters and Nobles in the town of Westchester in northern Talbot (later to become Queen Annes County), MD. - There was a Richard Noble in Salem New Jersey by 1675...I haven't researched this guy/family any further. See record #1 below. - There was of course James Neville in early Salem, NJ who was an agent for William Penn. I have a record that appears to show James Neville married to "Creseda". So, there's at least one Neville in Salem, NJ in the late 1600s, but no evidence of children has been found. Some Nevilles show up in Perth Amboy, NJ in the 1730s, but thats up near New York. The record appears to show that this James Neville "of Salem..." owned a property next door to Henry Salter. See record #2 below. A James Neville and Henry Salter actually come from London on the same ship in 1677. Does anyone know what "yoeman" means in the 1690s? - A John Salter was buying up all the property he could in Westchester on the Chester River in Talbot County records (that would put Westchester on the south side of the river and in modern Queen Annes County). This is the same town where William Neville transfered a property to Sarah Noble in 1694. See records #3 and #4 below. Note: nobody seems to know where this town of Westchester was. I do recall reading once that Maryland government was trying to create towns at this time to encourage trade, and that most of these towns they tried to set up failed. - John Salter is still buying up properties in 1697, one transaction is witnessed by Robert Noble. See record #5 below. Again, this doesn't really prove anything, but suggests that further research Salem, New Jersey may shed some light. Record #1: Elmer Garfield Van Name Guy, Richard, of the I st part, Thomas Pile of the 2nd part, John Edridge, Joseph Helmesley, RICHARD NOBLE, Edw. Champneys, Edmund Warner, of the 3rd part. 10,000 acres of land within the province of New Cesaria (with provisions) for the heirs of Thomas Pile). Original Tripartite Declaration of Trust, dated June 16, 1675. Inrolled in Register, Liber A belonging to Fenwick's Colony, June 24, 1675. (D- 1 5) (Old Deeds belonging to the Salem County Historical Society with an Index of Unrecorded Deeds. ) Record #2: 1687-8 Feb. 13. Do. [did not copy words which Do. repeats] JAMES NEVILL of SALEM TOWN, W. J., yeoman, to JOHN PAINE of the same place, planter, for 16 acres, a townlot there, on the Westside of the street, adjoining HENRY SALTER; bought by said NEVILL and wife CRESEDA, now dec'd, of ANNA SALTER, widow of HENRY SALTER, of SALEM, dec'd, April 16, 1683. (Page 588, Patents and Deeds and Other Early Records of New Jersey 1664-1703. Edited by Wm. Nelson. Gen. Pub. Co., Inc. Baltimore, 1976. Salem Deeds, No. 4, p. 110:) Record #3: 6 March 1688. Thomas Bruff, Innholder, purchased 200 acres on Chester River called "Ramsey's Folly," only AA p one of the many transactions by which he obtained a large amount of land. Some by patent, some by purchase. 2- ir,6.7 One of these purchases has to do with a mysterious town called "Westchestee, - formally laid out by 1689, but by whom and for what purpose? The first mention is the sale of a lot in the town, called "Whitehall; "followed by a sale of another lot in 1691 and 1693, all to John Salter. On IO April 1696 Thomas Bruff, Inholder, sold a lot in Westchester to John Salter - of which no record of purchase can be found. By 15 June 1697 Thomas and Rhoda had moved to Doncaster on Wye River where they carried on the Tavem until Thomas' death in 1702. He provided for Rhoda during her lifetime; divided "Crouche's Island" and land at Doncaster between his sons Richard and Thomas; divided "Knottley's Enjoymenf'between his daughters Susanna Bruff and Rebecca (Russell), and made a gift of personalty to Mary Stevenson, a third daughter (Thomas Bruff's will MCW 11:246). P. 48. Record #4: 080. 15 June 1694 WILLIAM NEVILL to Sarah Noble a dwelling house and lot at the town of Westchester - the sixty-fourth lot of the said town, according to the numbers as laid out by the surveyor - the dwelling is forty feet in length and twenty feet in breadth - formerly belonged to Michaell Hackett. Wit: Jonathon Fuller, Jonas Greenwood. (Talbot County, Maryland Land Records. Book 3. Compiled by R. Bernice Leonard. p.20) Record #5: 19 June 1697 Thomas Bruff and Rhoda his wife, to John Salter, Inn- holder - 150 acres called "Highfield" near Tuckahoe Creek. Wit: William Hemsley, ROBERT NOBLE. (Talbot County, Maryland Land Records. Book 3. Compiled by R. Bernice Leonard. p.45) Just for fun I'll mention that James Nevill of Salem (that came from England in 1677) was a weaver when he came, though he appears to have abandoned weaving in this country. A William Neville is apperently also a weaver in Cecil County, MD about 20 miles from Salem, NJ...but this is 60 years later. WILLIAM NEVILL to John Hyland Jr, Sold "weavours loom", a quil wheel, 5 slays and 5 good pare of gears belonging to slays. April 25, 1753. Wit: Edward Johnson, Nich. Hyland. (MD Archives Land Records, Cecil County. bill of sale, vol 7, p. 517, WK 945-946-1.) ______________________________ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:48:59 -0500 From: Shirley L Wilcox <slwilcox@juno.com> To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20020305.224945.-264881.1.slwilcox@juno.com> Subject: [NEVILLE-L] Two William Nevills - VA & MD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not believe that the William Nevill of Nansemond & Isle of Wight Co., VA is a son of John Nevill of Charles Co., MD. I have done original research in MD but not in this area of VA. Instead I have relied on published material, so there may be important records of which I am not aware. The William Nevill of Isle of Wight Co., VA is assumed dead by 25 April 1665 because on that date Roger Nevill sold to his "father-in-law" Arthur Skinner all claims to the estate of his father William Nevill. (John Bennett Boddie, Seventeenth Century Isle of Wight County Virginia (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1993 reprint, p541) Arthur Skinner had married William Nevill's widow. In Colonial times, some relationship terms had broader meanings than we currently use. "Father-in law" in this case means step-father. i.e. a father by marriage or by law. In contrast to the above William Nevill who died PRIOR to 1665, the William Nevill of Maryland, son of John Nevill (will probated 1664) was still living in 1665. On 10 9ber 1667, William Nevill, son of John Nevill dec'd sold inherited land in Charles Co., MD to William Allen & John Munn. The chain of title calling him the son of John Nevill deceased, can be found in various deeds (Liber D:88 & D:99), some of which have been published. (See Elise Jourdan Greenup, Abstracts of Charles County Circuit Court, Court & Land Records, Volume 2, 1665-1695, p1 & 13). I am not aware of any definitive records that prove what happened to this William Nevill, son of the immigrant John. He is probably the man married by 17 Aug 1666 to Joane/Jane Browiske (Charles Co., MD Deeds C #1:61-64 & 150-159). He may also be the man who said he married Sarah Noble 18 Oct., 1694 at Salem (?MD?*). On 26 March 1694 William and Jane Nevill of Talbot Co., MD sold a lot in Westchester. (Talbot Co., MD Land Records L.L. #7, p99-100). I do not know of another William with a wife Jane during this time period so I suspect this is the couple found in earlier Charles County records. A few months later on 15 June 1694 William Nevill deeds to Sarah Noble a dwelling house & lot in the town of Westchester. (Leonard, Talbot Co., MD Land Records, Book 3, p20). The court records of 14 Sept. 1697 say the sheriff is to command William Nevill late of Charles County, plantor, to answer charges that he "doth keep & Entertaine another mans wife by forse against ye pease of our Sovereigne Lord..." William comes & says that she is his lawful wife & produces in court a certificate "from Salem October ye 28th day 1694. This may satisfye whom it may conserne that William Neville & Sarah Noble is lawfully marryed by mee according to ye Laws of our countrey - given under my had ye day & yeare above written. Tho: Hardshorne. It is witnessed by Wm ffraford, Richard Whittman & Mary Whitman" It goes on to say that as it has been alleged in court that he hath another wife. To clear himself in that case, William Nevill produced this discharge: "Know all men by these presents that I Jane Browiske doe hereby Exonerate discharge acquitt for Ever William Nevill from all claim of Dowers, Titles of Dowers or any other matter or thing whatsoever having Reseived full satisfaction from ye sd Nevill as by his Deed of gift appears as wittness my hand this 26 [or 20 or 28?]th day of March one thousand six hundred ninety five. And that ye sd Jane does hereby acquit & discharge ye sd Wm Nevill from any pretense of marryage, and will never trouble nor any wayes molest ye sd Nevill during his naturall life." It is signed by the mark of Jane Browiske & witnesses were Jno: Salter & Elias Robinson. (Charles Co. Land & Court Records Vol. 18, V #1, 1696-1698, p243-4). William Nevill was accused in 1698 of having two wives, but no witnesses appeared in court & he was cleared by proclamation & discharged (Provincial Court Judgements, Vol. 7, I.L., 1698, p202). Note that in 1697 he is called LATE of Charles Co., MD. I suspect he is the man who shows up in Talbot Co., MD records in 1694. *Back to the marriage in Salem. The original record gives no state & many have assumed it was Massachusetts, forgetting that there was a much closer Salem in Dorchester Co., MD. Dorchester County is right across the bay from Calvert County where the immigrant John Nevill had been at one time. Talbot County is the county to the north of Dorchester County. I have no record of a William Nevill with wife Martha. Shirley Langdon Wilcox

From: http://www.lib.ucdavis.edu/English/BWRP/Works/SmitCElegi.htm TO THE COUNTESS OF A---- Written on the anniversary of her marriage. ON this blest day may no dark cloud, or shower, With envious shade the Sun's bright influence hide! But all his rays illume the favour'd hour, That saw thee, Mary!--Henry's lovely bride! With years revolving may it still arise, Blest with each good approving Heaven can send! And still, with ray serene, shall those blue eyes Enchant the husband, and attach the friend! For you fair Friendship's amaranth shall blow, And love's own thornless roses bind your brow; And when--long hence--to happier worlds you go, Your beauteous race shall be what you are now! And future Nevills through long ages shine, With hearts as good, and forms as fair as thine! Bev

I do not believe that the William Nevill of Nansemond & Isle of Wight Co., VA is a son of John Nevill of Charles Co., MD. I have done original research in MD but not in this area of VA. Instead I have relied on published material, so there may be important records of which I am not aware. The William Nevill of Isle of Wight Co., VA is assumed dead by 25 April 1665 because on that date Roger Nevill sold to his "father-in-law" Arthur Skinner all claims to the estate of his father William Nevill. (John Bennett Boddie, Seventeenth Century Isle of Wight County Virginia (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1993 reprint, p541) Arthur Skinner had married William Nevill's widow. In Colonial times, some relationship terms had broader meanings than we currently use. "Father-in law" in this case means step-father. i.e. a father by marriage or by law. In contrast to the above William Nevill who died PRIOR to 1665, the William Nevill of Maryland, son of John Nevill (will probated 1664) was still living in 1665. On 10 9ber 1667, William Nevill, son of John Nevill dec'd sold inherited land in Charles Co., MD to William Allen & John Munn. The chain of title calling him the son of John Nevill deceased, can be found in various deeds (Liber D:88 & D:99), some of which have been published. (See Elise Jourdan Greenup, Abstracts of Charles County Circuit Court, Court & Land Records, Volume 2, 1665-1695, p1 & 13). I am not aware of any definitive records that prove what happened to this William Nevill, son of the immigrant John. He is probably the man married by 17 Aug 1666 to Joane/Jane Browiske (Charles Co., MD Deeds C #1:61-64 & 150-159). He may also be the man who said he married Sarah Noble 18 Oct., 1694 at Salem (?MD?*). On 26 March 1694 William and Jane Nevill of Talbot Co., MD sold a lot in Westchester. (Talbot Co., MD Land Records L.L. #7, p99-100). I do not know of another William with a wife Jane during this time period so I suspect this is the couple found in earlier Charles County records. A few months later on 15 June 1694 William Nevill deeds to Sarah Noble a dwelling house & lot in the town of Westchester. (Leonard, Talbot Co., MD Land Records, Book 3, p20). The court records of 14 Sept. 1697 say the sheriff is to command William Nevill late of Charles County, plantor, to answer charges that he "doth keep & Entertaine another mans wife by forse against ye pease of our Sovereigne Lord..." William comes & says that she is his lawful wife & produces in court a certificate "from Salem October ye 28th day 1694. This may satisfye whom it may conserne that William Neville & Sarah Noble is lawfully marryed by mee according to ye Laws of our countrey - given under my had ye day & yeare above written. Tho: Hardshorne. It is witnessed by Wm ffraford, Richard Whittman & Mary Whitman" It goes on to say that as it has been alleged in court that he hath another wife. To clear himself in that case, William Nevill produced this discharge: "Know all men by these presents that I Jane Browiske doe hereby Exonerate discharge acquitt for Ever William Nevill from all claim of Dowers, Titles of Dowers or any other matter or thing whatsoever having Reseived full satisfaction from ye sd Nevill as by his Deed of gift appears as wittness my hand this 26 [or 20 or 28?]th day of March one thousand six hundred ninety five. And that ye sd Jane does hereby acquit & discharge ye sd Wm Nevill from any pretense of marryage, and will never trouble nor any wayes molest ye sd Nevill during his naturall life." It is signed by the mark of Jane Browiske & witnesses were Jno: Salter & Elias Robinson. (Charles Co. Land & Court Records Vol. 18, V #1, 1696-1698, p243-4). William Nevill was accused in 1698 of having two wives, but no witnesses appeared in court & he was cleared by proclamation & discharged (Provincial Court Judgements, Vol. 7, I.L., 1698, p202). Note that in 1697 he is called LATE of Charles Co., MD. I suspect he is the man who shows up in Talbot Co., MD records in 1694. *Back to the marriage in Salem. The original record gives no state & many have assumed it was Massachusetts, forgetting that there was a much closer Salem in Dorchester Co., MD. Dorchester County is right across the bay from Calvert County where the immigrant John Nevill had been at one time. Talbot County is the county to the north of Dorchester County. I have no record of a William Nevill with wife Martha. Shirley Langdon Wilcox ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Oops, pushed the wrong button on this machine on the "Friday Night" message and mistakenly sent it into the Neville list. Still do not understand how it happened. Sorry for sending out the message re young Tom, but those of you who responded, thanks muchly for your best wishes and prayers. Will teach me to be a mite more careful. All is as well as can be expected, thanks, Tom

Tom, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Shirley On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:29:47 EST Teedirk@aol.com writes: > Hi, sorry to hear the news and our thoughts and prayers are with you. > Even > though Jean is not here -- if she knew she would be with me in the > first > thought. We were scheduled to depart here for Boston about the 7th > of Feb > for the AAAS meeting (I am Sec. for the Dental Section) when Kathy > called > just before our departure. Young Tom, now about 15 months old and > the > grandson almost lost at two days of age due to blood sugar of almost > nothing, > had a seizure -- and could Mom come out? Canceled Jean for Boston > and > attempted to put the $$$ on the San Jose flight. No such luck. > Thus got her > off for CA by a drive into Atlanta for $570 tickets rather than > Delta's > $2,500 tickets from Augusta. Tom was out of hospital when she > arrived and > various tests were scheduled over the next few weeks. She was to > have > returned last Thursday, Tom had another seizure the preceding day. > Now > expect her home this Wednesday. On Friday they finally got the > diagnosis of > epilepsy and now we at least know what is going on. The meds today > are > pretty good for controlling. We will see. > > Thinking about you tomorrow, Love, Tom > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Please do NOT send attachments to the list. Rootsweb surname lists > do not accept attachments. > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Shirley....when are you going to write your book! Question group. Now that Shirley is back from target practicing, does anyone know the birth and death dates of John and Elizabeth Reynolds reported children, Martha, Benjamin and John.....just like old times.......... -- ======================================================================== Ren and Judy Neville 925-516-4976 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field..... shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 "My fathers badge, old Nevil's crest, the rampant bear chain'd to the ragged staff" Henry VI, part 2, verse 1........William Shakespeare http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johnneville Ne vile velis "Form no mean wish"

Hi, sorry to hear the news and our thoughts and prayers are with you. Even though Jean is not here -- if she knew she would be with me in the first thought. We were scheduled to depart here for Boston about the 7th of Feb for the AAAS meeting (I am Sec. for the Dental Section) when Kathy called just before our departure. Young Tom, now about 15 months old and the grandson almost lost at two days of age due to blood sugar of almost nothing, had a seizure -- and could Mom come out? Canceled Jean for Boston and attempted to put the $$$ on the San Jose flight. No such luck. Thus got her off for CA by a drive into Atlanta for $570 tickets rather than Delta's $2,500 tickets from Augusta. Tom was out of hospital when she arrived and various tests were scheduled over the next few weeks. She was to have returned last Thursday, Tom had another seizure the preceding day. Now expect her home this Wednesday. On Friday they finally got the diagnosis of epilepsy and now we at least know what is going on. The meds today are pretty good for controlling. We will see. Thinking about you tomorrow, Love, Tom