Hi there, especially Peter and Glen. The offer by Glen sound great! Sign me up for a copy as the one I received several years ago must have been a copy of a copy and not all the pages are good quality. It will be good to have a clear copy at the small cost involved. And I didn't even get a spiral binder--------. As to the price, $12.00 vs $15.00 or whatever is not worth the quibble when you have postage and the like to consider. I don't believe Joe would have been concerned. As to Joe, Jean and I tried to call on him some few years ago when we were in Tempe. Found the place but not the person. Our loss. Thanks for the offer, Glen. Regards, Tom Dirksen

Lois, Hi. Have you seen Glen Gohr's offer? I've read a short version of the book and want a full copy. Let me know specifically what you want, as I do have copies (poor ones, but copies) especially of the data regarding George and Mary's ancestors. Cousin Alice

Missi ( or is it??? ) Have your read Glen Gohr's message re being able to get a full 175 page 'orignial' book for only $12 or maybe less? He's made the offer, but until that time if you will let me know specifically which parts you NEED ( I fully understand that ) I'll try to get that part to you asap. Cousin Alice

Howdy Glenn and Cousins: Let me see if I can be of some assistance here regarding archives on both the defunct MAISER list and the new ROOTSWEB system. > Subject: Re: Neville Archives > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:23:48 -0500 (CDT) > From: Glenn Gohr <ggohr01@mail.orion.org> > To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com > > After further study on this matter-- > > To answer the question about accessing the records of the list. > All prior messages on Rootsweb (from the last week of May until now) > should be available through the Rootsweb Archives. I haven't tried this, > but here is what I know: I have tried this (which is how I was able to know that my NEVILLE lines haven't appeared in either set of archives--more in a minute on this), and it works. > Send a message to: > NEVILLE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > For the subject line, put: > archive > In the body of the message, type: > search Joseph latest/* [snip] > This will only give you the exact lines where the words appear. To order > a complete message, there is a further procedure which I'm not clear on. To get all the archives to date, use this EMAIL procedure: SUBJECT: archive TO: NEVILLE-L-request@rootsweb.com BODY CONTENT: archive maxfiles 100 get volume97/* BE SURE TO TURN OFF ANY AUTOSIGS or it WILL NOT work. This does two things: (1) tells the ROOTSWEB server to get the archives from "volume 1997" (the current year) and (2) sets the maximum number of archived digests to 100 (to obtain _all_ of the digests for this year; currently we're nowhere near 100. I downloaded a relatively small number of digests on 05 July 97). Each archived digest will be sent to you as an individual email to be perused/saved at your discretion. This method is (IMHO) _infinitely_ better than using the search [text]/latest* command, since you will be receiving the entire email, in lieu of just the one line where the [text] requested appears in the [latest] occurrence of that [text]. That way you won't be missing (perhaps) a critical piece of info that may be the key to unlocking that stuck genealogical door. > I'm not sure, yet, how to access the old MAISER archives files, but they > have promised that we > could do that someday. Maybe this will help. > Sincerely, > Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) > ggohr01@mail.orion.org > ggohr@juno.com Ok, here's how to access the archived MAISER lists, but it does require that you (anyone) are (is) familiar with FTP protocols. Launch your "favorite FTP program" (no plugs from here!), and simply use this domain: HOST: rmgate.pop.indiana.edu No password is needed, user is anonymous. (Which means you can leave these fields empty in your FTP program.) When the ANONFTP directory appears in your FTP program's window (by default), simply scroll to the "N" folder, open same and scroll down to "nll.zip". (1) Download that file (filesize = 108K) which is the complete listing of emails sent through the MAISER system for the NEVILLE list (2) Use your PKUNZIP (IBMmers) or Stuffit Expander (Macintoshers) to open the archive (3) Save the files from the archive (expand/unarchive). (4) Read digested files with your favorite word-processing program. It's just that simple. (NOTE -- For a complete list of all the MAISER files, be sure to read the "karen.txt" file. Larry Stephens intentionally placed this file here for user benefit in locating surname/regional list archives. The abbreviations used in naming the individually-zipped files are not always apparent!) Hopefully that will help in reviewing the past archives. -=-=-=-=- NOW: can anyone help me in reviewing the past NEVILLE _ancestors_ of mine??? Granted, I don't know a great deal (actually precious little) of my English Grandparents, however any hole-filler or points of departure for further research would be most appreciated: Edward NEVILLE + Katherine HOWARD (d/o Robert HOWARD, Knight, Kent ENG) ..1 Margaret NEVILLE, d 30 SEP 1506 at Cobham, Kent ENG ....+ John BROOKE, Knight, (John also m Eleanor Austell) (s/o Edward ........ BROOKE, d bef 08 NOV 1464 at [Kent?] ENG; & Elizabeth TUCHET) ......1 Thomas BROOKE, Knight, b bef 1500 at [Kent?] ENG, ..........d 19 JUL 1529 at Cobham, Kent ENG ........+ Elizabeth HART ........+ Dorothy HEYDON (d/o Henry HEYDON & Anne BOLEYN) ..........[#] Elizabeth BROOKE, b bef 1507, ..............+ Thomas WYATT, Knight, bef 1522, ................1 Thomas WYATT, Knight, b ca 1522, d 11 APR 1554 ..................+ Jane HAUTE, 1537 ....................[my lineage comes forward from this union] ..............+ Edward WARNER, Knight, aft 10 OCT 1542 Elizabeth was one of 14 children to Thomas and Dorothy (HEYDON) BROOKE, but she is the only individual on whom I have any data. I was simply going to lurk a while longer to see if there were any cousins who might be researching in this timeframe, but since I wanted to help with the archives questions, I thought I'd throw out my NEVILLEs to see if anyone can help fill some holes. Thanks and Happy Hunting! Cousin Allen Richmond sciototrails@usa.net -- or -- tarich@ix.netcom.com -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"* Scioto County Ohio http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/1943 mailto:sciotocounty@usa.net Pike County Ohio http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4241 mailto:pikecounty@usa.net Ross County Ohio http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8119 mailto:rosscounty@usa.net Wyoming County WV http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6162 mailto:wyocowv@usa.net Scioto Trails: Paths From Another Time and Place http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5885 mailto:sciototrails@usa.net Halterman Hollow http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/1943 The Halterman Family Mailbox mailto:HALTERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Cottle Country http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8118 The Cottle Search Party mailto:COTTLE-L@rootsweb.com -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*

Allen, Thanks so much for enlightening all of us on how to access the digests and past archives of messages on Rootsweb and Maiser. I knew there had to be a better way. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

In a message dated 97-07-11 14:19:54 EDT, NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com writes: << As I had already discussed with Ren Neville, I am more than happy to take my book and make copies for all that are interested. I work at the Gospel Publishing House in Springfield, Missouri. They have an offset printing department (which will make just as good a copy as a photocopy machine) and I'm sure they can duplicate the book for less than 5 cents a page. They also can provide covers and spiral binding (like the original) at a reasonable price. >> I for one am very interested in obtaining a copy. When you get a list of interested parties together, and a definite cost for the copies, let me know. I have several other online friends who (For some odd reason!) haven't joined the list, and they may be interested too. The lady who got me started on this topic joined this morning, so lets all say welcome to Jeannie! And for anyone who would want to know, I am trying to compile a list of Ky Jones marriages, births, and deaths, and will send it out to anyone interested when its done. Also compiling Tingle, Dever, Lambert, and Ford, wherever possible. (Sigh)..Then its on to Virginia lists of the same. Missi Nussbaum Nmissi@aol.com

Bill....I don't think so. I have about 90% of that book now in my base and havent run into any Ann Joanna's nor Meece's. Perhaps others might be of help. Do you have any more "Neville" info on Ann at all? Take care...Ren Neville BillBrink@aol.com wrote: > > I would be interested in seeing if my ancestor, Ann Joanna Nevil b est. late > 1790s who m Jacob Meece is in the 350 year old Nevil History (or anywhere > else for that matter!) Can't find hide nor hair of her. Would appreciate your > help. > > Bill Brinkley

I would be interested in seeing if my ancestor, Ann Joanna Nevil b est. late 1790s who m Jacob Meece is in the 350 year old Nevil History (or anywhere else for that matter!) Can't find hide nor hair of her. Would appreciate your help. Bill Brinkley

If I remember right, there was some discussion about located R. G. Neville on this list a while back. I even tried making some calls in the Boston area where he was supposed to live. No luck, I'm afraid. >---------- >From: Thomas Dirksen[SMTP:TDIRKSEN@MAIL.MCG.EDU] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 2:30 PM >To: neville-l@rootsweb.com >Subject: 370 Year History > >I have the book which Joe Neville put together. Copies >are scattered about (Salt Lake, Georgia Archives, >Maryland Archives, and I forget just where else I ave >seen same). > >Joe along with Robert Jett was a strong member of the >Soc. of John Neville Descendants and tried to get >someone to take over serving as Society Editor >following his major stroke some years ago. I ordered >my book about that time and the last page therein >indicates that Robert Geoffrey Neville from some >unnamed town adjacent Boston, Mass. responded to >the call for assistance. I have not seen anything further >since the book was published/printed in 1988. > >As to the book itself, it is a simple Xerox which cost >maybe $10.00 at the time, probably about 175 pages, >and chocked full of information. Lots of errors (who >does not have these?) along the way and no, I am not >casting stones. I got errors, you got errors. The fly leaf >gives permission to make copies but not for $$$. > >It would be nice if we all on this group had a copy of >Joe's book to reference from. Would make life easier if >the notes began with, "On page 56, cousin AABACD is >noted as...." which would certainly work well for those >of us believing to be from John of the Ark and the Dove >fame. Does anyone know just where R. G. Neville >might be? Best wishes, Tom Dirksen > >

In a message dated 97-07-11 03:35:09 EDT, you write: << Missi, I'd be interested in the name of the friend, and the name of his/her ancestor who was the child of George Neville and Mary Gibbs. My line comes down through their daughter who married Thomas Blakemore. >> My friend is a lady I met over AOL, I have referred her to the list, hopefully she'll be joining us soon. I don't know which of her husbands ancestors is George's children, if she joins us Im sure she'll post her lines. I am a descendant of George's through his daughter Betty Neville, who married Solomon Jones. Soon I will get my website up and post my lines there. As for the book, how do I go about obtaining a copy?Is anyone willing to mail me one? I would be ever so grateful. I really like the idea of everybody on the list having a copy, it would simplify things considerably. Does anyone know if it looks likely we could connect with the English noble family of Nevilles? (There is tons available on this line, I just wondered.) Missi Nussbaum, descended of George Neville(1695 VA)

Welcome! >---------- >From: Ryan D. Neaveill[SMTP:ryan@prairienet.org] >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 11:09 PM >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! > >Hello, > >I am new to this list. I am curious if anyone here spells their last name >the way I do. > >Ryan D. Neaveill >Champaign, IL > >

After further study on this matter-- To answer the question about accessing the records of the list. All prior messages on Rootsweb (from the last week of May until now) should be available through the Rootsweb Archives. I haven't tried this, but here is what I know: If interested in a certain word (Joseph, Neville, Nevels, Morgan, etc.), then request any messages using that particular word, like this: Send a message to: NEVILLE-L-request@rootsweb.com For the subject line, put: archive In the body of the message, type: search Joseph latest/* This would send you all postings using the word "Joseph" that appeared on the Neville list. You might also try these: search Neville latest/* search Nevels latest/* This will only give you the exact lines where the words appear. To order a complete message, there is a further procedure which I'm not clear on. For more information, look up this URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.html I'm not sure, yet, how to access the old MAISER archives files, but they have promised that we could do that someday. Maybe this will help. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org ggohr@juno.com

Dear Neville Researchers: Regarding Joseph B. Neville's book, A 370-YEAR HISTORY OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1982) which was published by him in 1988, I do own a good, clean original copy. I ordered it when it was first published by Joe Neville with the assistance of R. Geoffrey Neville of Avon, Massachusetts. Joe Neville offered discounts to those who would purchase more than one copy. He also made sure that copies were distributed in various libraries around the country. He also said that once all those printed were sold, he would not be reprinting any more. It was a one time offer. Previous to this Joe had suffered a stroke which left him partially paralized and greatly hindered his completion of the book. The stroke also is to blame for many of the typographical errors contained in the book (not a lot, but some typos are present). Joe Neville typed the entire book by hand. He did not have a computer, word processor, or type setting to help. Many parts of the book have been shrunk (through the photocopy process I'm sure) so as to better map out all the descendants--and there are many. Joe claimed it to be the best book on the Nevilles in the U.S. ever printed. It probably is the most up-to-date, but many descendants were not listed, simply because it became very tedious for him to lay out the order in which they would fall and then carry the descendants down through so many generations. His layout is almost in a chart type format, although that does not really describe his method fully. It is easy to understand and digest and he does give sources. I wish there was an index, though. Joe was very much aware of other descendants in each line, but the project became too hard for him to add any more names--especially after his stroke. He also wrote an earlier book, A 360-YEAR HISTORY ... which has a little different format, but does contain information which does not appear in the second book. Several other Neville books have been written by other authors which hold almost as much weight as Joe's book, but they are not as up-to-date, and some cater to a certain line rather than to all the Nevilles in the U.S. Still Joe's book does not deal at all with the Isle of Wight Nevilles mentioned in John Bennett Boddie's books and very little on the North Carolina Nevilles. Enough of my rambling. As I had already discussed with Ren Neville, I am more than happy to take my book and make copies for all that are interested. I work at the Gospel Publishing House in Springfield, Missouri. They have an offset printing department (which will make just as good a copy as a photocopy machine) and I'm sure they can duplicate the book for less than 5 cents a page. They also can provide covers and spiral binding (like the original) at a reasonable price. I have tried in vain to contact R. Geoffrey Neville of Avon, Massachusetts or any of his close family members listed in the book. I had originally offered to help Joe Neville when he requested assistance with the publication of his book. R. Geoffrey Neville was quicker on the draw than me, so he was the one who helped Joe in the end. I would not intend to make copies at a profit--only the cost for duplicating. The book is on 8 1/2 X 11 in. paper, spiral bound. Pages are vii, 166 p., plus the title page and a poem on the back side of the title page. I come up with 175 pages total to be copied, plus the covers, binding, and shipping. Approximate cost @ .05 a page =$8.75 + $2.00 for covers & binding + $2.00 postage and handling = Total of $12.75. I believe the original cost was about $12.00 when the book was distributed in 1988. I believe that if I do some checking, I can get the cost down to about $10.00. I'll let you know the final cost so that people can start making orders. I've been on vacation, had company, and several other obligations or I would have jumped on this sooner. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) 1040 E. McCanse St. Springfield, MO 65803-3613 Ph. 417-833-2814 (evenings & weekends) ggohr01@mail.orion.org ggohr@juno.com

Ryan, I am the list manager for the Neville list. According to ROOTSWEB and MAISER there is an archives set up of all past messages. ROOTSWEB is still in the process of changing over all the 1,000 plus surname lists from MAISER to ROOTSWEB, etc. To my knowledge, they have not given me the steps or procedures on how to access the previous files. This list originally was started with MAISER in March 1997. The MAISER system crashed in May. The Rootsweb list was started up the last week of May. If I find out anything, I will let the list know. For a listing of ALL the family surname lists being run through Rootsweb, look up this URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Ryan D. Neaveill wrote: > Can someone tell me how I can view the list archives? Either on the Web > or by sending a command through e-mail? > > Thanks? > > Ryan D. Neaveill > Champaign, IL > >

In a message dated 97-07-10 22:21:10 EDT, you write: << The message I am responding to is a bit confusing - but, anyhow - I have the Joseph Neville book called A 370 Year History of One Neville Family [this book has not been published, to my knowledge]/ Now - what's the question? >> Hello. Something very strange is happening on my computer, maybe the same something is causing the confusing message...responses to the above quote showed up before the quote itself, and I suspect some of them may be missing. (Yes, I'm on AOL.) Anyway, yesterday I asked about the book, because a friend of mine used it as a citation for her data...Since she was able to give grandparents to my ancestor, George Neville(1695) VA, I was incredibly Jealous!!! I want that book!!! Now, how do I get a copy? If it's unpublished as yet, how did you acquire your copy, and are there plans to publish it soon? I'm near to expiring with anticipation! Missi, more excited than I've been since my wedding. Nmissi@aol.com

Peter......JB's <370> runs 166 pages and most copy places want from 8-10 cents a click so your looking at at least $15.00 plus 3 lbs of postage. I think part of the problem will be to find a copy of the book that is condition to be copied. After copie of copies, things have a tendency to get a tad fuzzy. I think what we need is someone with an "orignial" book that would be willing to take it to the printer, unbind it if bound and have the automatic feeder in the copy machine where the book could be loaded and clicked off. If a person was to go to the printer and stand in front of a copy machine and do 166 pages, my god, they would be there all day. IF any of the group has an original, I'd like to put in my order also but I think we should at least figure $20.00 plus to get it copied as one should also put a front and back cover and bind the book. I have a guy who does coping for me at 5 cents a click which is very unusual, more than happy to get a few copies made at that price if someone wants to send me the book!...... Peter J Neville wrote: > > Tom, > > I'd like to get a copy of the 370 year History. If I send $10 or $15, > would you mind making a copy for me? If you don't mind, would you > e-mail you snail mail address to me so that i can send the $$ to you. > > Thanks > > Peter Neville > Peter.J.Neville@ccMail@Census.GOV > 105 East Alexandria Ave > Alexandria, VA 22301 > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: 370 Year History > Author: <NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com> at SMTP-GATEWAY > Date: 7/10/97 11:38 AM > > I have the book which Joe Neville put together. Copies > are scattered about (Salt Lake, Georgia Archives, > Maryland Archives, and I forget just where else I ave > seen same). > > Joe along with Robert Jett was a strong member of the > Soc. of John Neville Descendants and tried to get > someone to take over serving as Society Editor > following his major stroke some years ago. I ordered > my book about that time and the last page therein > indicates that Robert Geoffrey Neville from some > unnamed town adjacent Boston, Mass. responded to > the call for assistance. I have not seen anything further > since the book was published/printed in 1988. > > As to the book itself, it is a simple Xerox which cost > maybe $10.00 at the time, probably about 175 pages, > and chocked full of information. Lots of errors (who > does not have these?) along the way and no, I am not > casting stones. I got errors, you got errors. The fly leaf > gives permission to make copies but not for $$$. > > It would be nice if we all on this group had a copy of > Joe's book to reference from. Would make life easier if > the notes began with, "On page 56, cousin AABACD is > noted as...." which would certainly work well for those > of us believing to be from John of the Ark and the Dove > fame. Does anyone know just where R. G. Neville > might be? Best wishes, Tom Dirksen > >

Tom, I'd like to get a copy of the 370 year History. If I send $10 or $15, would you mind making a copy for me? If you don't mind, would you e-mail you snail mail address to me so that i can send the $$ to you. Thanks Peter Neville Peter.J.Neville@ccMail@Census.GOV 105 East Alexandria Ave Alexandria, VA 22301 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 370 Year History Author: <NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 7/10/97 11:38 AM I have the book which Joe Neville put together. Copies are scattered about (Salt Lake, Georgia Archives, Maryland Archives, and I forget just where else I ave seen same). Joe along with Robert Jett was a strong member of the Soc. of John Neville Descendants and tried to get someone to take over serving as Society Editor following his major stroke some years ago. I ordered my book about that time and the last page therein indicates that Robert Geoffrey Neville from some unnamed town adjacent Boston, Mass. responded to the call for assistance. I have not seen anything further since the book was published/printed in 1988. As to the book itself, it is a simple Xerox which cost maybe $10.00 at the time, probably about 175 pages, and chocked full of information. Lots of errors (who does not have these?) along the way and no, I am not casting stones. I got errors, you got errors. The fly leaf gives permission to make copies but not for $$$. It would be nice if we all on this group had a copy of Joe's book to reference from. Would make life easier if the notes began with, "On page 56, cousin AABACD is noted as...." which would certainly work well for those of us believing to be from John of the Ark and the Dove fame. Does anyone know just where R. G. Neville might be? Best wishes, Tom Dirksen

Hi group.....glad to see some new numbers (addresses) to the group. think it's important once in awhile to post our "lines" so we, and the new people can help each other as we stumble through these Neville critters. As to Joseph B. Neville's book, he said he didn't have or couldn't find much info on my line, he didn't look to the bottom pups in the litter of children of Gen. Presley Neville x Nancy Morgan, son of John Neville and Winifred Oldham. He really gets into John Nevilles brother Joseph Neville of Moorefied, Hardy Co., W. VA but guess there were no descendents of my line that joined the society. To those new to the group, i'd like to "post" my line as I just can't be the last surname Neville descended from Presley. There were some other male pups out there, but to date, I have not seen any "publications" that get into my branch. Any help is always appreciated! From myself backwards. 1. Renwick Morgan Neville (Ren) 2. Way Morgan Neville m. Evelyn Renwick 3. Frederick Morgan Neville m. Anna Schreck 4. Presley Morgan Neville m. Zulie White 5. Frederick Augustus Neville m. Ann Kennedy 6. Presley Neville m. Nancy Morgan 7. John Neville m. Winifred Oldham 8. Joseph Neville m. Ann Bohanan not yet proven: 9. John Neville m. Elizabeth Bohannan 10. James Neville m. Elizabeth? 11. John Neville m. Bridget Thorsley Once again, if anyone has any information on what I call the Morgan Neville line, would sure appreciate it! Take care and good hunting.......Ren Neville

We are not all descended from Joseph Neville.....yet. I am working on it, though. Any one out there have information on Granderson Dandridge Nevill b. 1812 in NC d. aft. 1880, probably in Texas? Lived in Montgomery Co., TN; Dickson Co., TN, Bowie Co., TX, Titus Co., TX, Crawford Co., AR, and probably Scott Co., AR. He had four known wives: 1. Minerva Peterson (she married 2. Meredith Howard); 2. Martha E. (she divorced him in 1845. Did she remarry? Where'd she go? She's mine. She had 3 or 6 Nevill children. She might be the Martha E. Nevels who is on the 1850 Tishmingo Co., MS census with children Anderson D., Susan P., and William D.); 3. Annette Nevill descendant of George Nevill of Montgomery Co., TN (she married 2. Phillip Crotzer and had two Nevill children); 4. Caroline E. (maiden name unkown. She is his widow, living in Crawford Co., AR abt. 1880-1900). There were probably lots of other wives and children. Anything look familiar to anyone. I know, I know, some of you have seen this too many times already!! The elusive Granderson was the son of Solomon and Susanna (Walton) Nevill. Kathy

I have the book which Joe Neville put together. Copies are scattered about (Salt Lake, Georgia Archives, Maryland Archives, and I forget just where else I ave seen same). Joe along with Robert Jett was a strong member of the Soc. of John Neville Descendants and tried to get someone to take over serving as Society Editor following his major stroke some years ago. I ordered my book about that time and the last page therein indicates that Robert Geoffrey Neville from some unnamed town adjacent Boston, Mass. responded to the call for assistance. I have not seen anything further since the book was published/printed in 1988. As to the book itself, it is a simple Xerox which cost maybe $10.00 at the time, probably about 175 pages, and chocked full of information. Lots of errors (who does not have these?) along the way and no, I am not casting stones. I got errors, you got errors. The fly leaf gives permission to make copies but not for $$$. It would be nice if we all on this group had a copy of Joe's book to reference from. Would make life easier if the notes began with, "On page 56, cousin AABACD is noted as...." which would certainly work well for those of us believing to be from John of the Ark and the Dove fame. Does anyone know just where R. G. Neville might be? Best wishes, Tom Dirksen