Ref list of Ark & Dove passengers: No list of the Ark & Dove passengers survives. The list was compiled through land records and records of claims for land for transporting passengers. Most surnames have a variety of spellings - this had more to do with the clerks then the person of name. The "Gentlemen Adventurers" were recorded, as they were investors in the settlement. Richard Nevitt on this list is often stated as being a Richard Nevill. John Nevill was transported by Leonard Calvert, Esq., younger bro. of Cecilius (Cecil), Lord Baltimore, and leader/Governor of the settlement/St Mary's. The only confirmed crew were - John Boulter, purser and steward of the Ark [the passenger ship] On the Dove [supply ship] - John Curke, helper / John Games / Richard Kenton, boatswain / Samuel Lawson / Nicholas Perrie, helper / ____ Warreloe, mate / Richard Orchard, master. The Ark and Dove stopped Feb 27th, 1633/4 at Jamestown, Va. "They also had some passendgers to land in VA, so presumably enroute the Ark had taken on a few travelers at Barbadoes or St Kitts whose destination was Va." It also seems logical to presume some Virginians may have boarded the Ark, although there is few to none records of this. It seems reasonable that Calvert would want a few good men familar with the Indians and geography of the region, and perhaps an interpreter... It is possible/probable that while they were at VA Thomas Cornwalys engaged Cuthbert Fenwick to be his secretary and steward. Capt Wm Claybourne of VA had set up a trade settlement on Kent Isle, now MD. The Ark & Dove left Point Comfort, VA Mar 3rd, and sailed up the Chesapeake until they reached the Potomac. The adventurers delayed their actually landing, checking the safety ref. Indians, and choosing the area for settlement, after making an agreement with the Indians. 25 March 1634 [new years day] the first day of spring and Feast of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin, the Ark and Dove landed on St Clement's Island, where thanksgiving prayers were offered by the two priests - Father Altham and Father White, Roman Catholics. Anyone who has dabbled in the Va records of the same period, will recognize many of the above names, including - Calvert, Gerard, Medcalf, Draper, Gilbert, Allen, Middleton, Beane, Hilliard, Martin, Hallowes, Sherley, Rabnett (Rabinett/Robinett), Fenwick, Duke, Orchard, Perry... and of course, the names too common to discern - Smith, Price, etc. Not only are they found in the Tidewater area surrounding the Jamestown settlement, but across the Potomac from St Marys/Charles Co., Md., in Northumberland/Westmoreland Va.

from - The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate by Harry Wright Newman: John Alcome (Altham) / Thomas Allen / William Andrews / John Ashmore / William Ashmore (Ashmead) / James Baldridge, Gent / Thomas Baldridge, Gent / James Barefoot, Gent / Ralph Beane (Bayne) Gent / John Baxter, Esq. / Thomas Beckwith / Anan Benham (Bennan) / Henry Bishop / John Bolles (Bowles) Gent / Richard Bradley / William Browne / John Bryant / Mathew Burrowes / George Calvert, Esq. / Leonard Calvert, Esq. / Christopher Carnell / Thomas Charington / Richard Cole / John Cook / Thomas Cooper / Thomas Cornwalys, Esq. / Ann Cox, gentlewoman / Edward Cranfield, Esq. / Thomas Dorrell, Esq. / Peter Draper, Gent / Richard Duke, Gent / Joseph Edlowe (Edloe) / Richard Edwards / Robert Edwards / William Edwin / John Elbin / Nicholas Fairfax, Esq. / Cuthbert Fenwick, Esq. / William Fitter, Gent / Henry Fleete, Gent / Lewis Fremand / Richard Gerard, Esq. / Thomas Gervase, Esq. / Richard Gilbert / Stephen Gore / Thomas Greene, esq. / Thomas Grigston / John Halfhead / John Hallowes(Hollis), Gent / Nicholas Harvey, Gent / Jerome Hawley, Esq. / Thomas Heath / Capt John Hill, Gent / John Hill / John Hilliard / Richard Hills / James Hockley / Benjamin Hodges / John Holderen / Henry James / Mary Jennings / William Lewis, Gent / Richard Loe (Lee) / Richard Lustead / John Marlborough / Christopher Martin / John Medcalfe / Charles Middleton / Thomas Minnus / Roger Morgan / John Nevill / Richard Nevitt / John Norton jr / John Norton Sr / Robert Pike / John Price, black / John Price, white / Lodovick Price / Francis Rabnett / John Robinson / Francis Rogers, Gent / William Saire, Esq. / Stephen Sammion / John Sanders, Esq. / Robert Sherbys (Sherley) / Thomas Slathan / Madam Ann Smith, Gentlewoman / Robert Smith / Thomas Smith / _____ Smith / Anne Smithson / Mathias Sousa, mulatto / Robert Sympson / Richard Thompson / William Thompson, Gent / James Thornton / Cyprian Thorowgood, Gent / John Tomkins (Tomson) / Robert Vaughan, Gent / Roger Walter / John Ward / John Wells / Andrew White, Gent / Evan Wilkins / Edward Wintour, Gent / Frederick Wintour, Esq / Josias _____ / Sam _____ / Francisco, mulatto / James _____ .

Help! Going to need some assistance on this guy (thanks Glenn!) Was John of Gaunt married to both Blanche Plantagenet and Catherine of Hainault? Do I have either or correct? What was John of Gaunt's surname, or better yet, what was his parents name. I know I have him doubled in my data base under John of Gaunt which I'd like to merge, but am also suspect that I also have him buried somewhere under his surname. If anyone has a quick answer, would appreciate same to save me a trip to the Library......THANK YOU! Now isn't this fun! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Owen-Glenn and others. Now don't you come up with some goodies, what do you do, stay up all night! Question: Unless my records are all screwed up, Edward Neville b: 1412 had two children by the name of Catherine. One by Elizabeth Beauchamp b: 1442, another by his other wife Catherine Howard b:1459 who married Robert Tanfield III (?) and then there is George Neville b: 1414, son of Ralph Neville and Joan Beaufort who had the Catherine you guys are talking about b: (?) who married Oliver Sutton. I wish I had more than just skeleton info on these people. I did not know that Catherine, dau. of George was an item with Oliver Sutton. Would be interesting to see the line from there. Now as to Edward Neville, brother to George who shared the same wife did the first Catherine born of Elizabeth Beauchamp in 1442 die or did he decide he just liked the name of Catherine (sorta like George Foremans kids, all 8 named George, or something like that) Do I have all my Catherines in the rights boxes, does anybody know the birth date of Georges Catherine whom married Oliver Sutton. Any help for this old man is appreciated! Take care.........Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Glenn Gohr <ggohr01@mail.orion.org> wrote: > De Nova Villa: Or, The House of Nevill in Sunshine and Shade, by > Henry J. Swallo. Newcastle-on-Tyne: Andrew Reid, 1885. This book > was published in 1885 and is 334 p. It contains much information on > the noble family of Neville in England. -- and -- > I find on p. 48 a listing for George Nevill, Baron Latimer, who died in > 1469. He married Elizabeth Beauchamp. (It appears also on p. 66 that > his younger brother, Edward Neville, Baron of Abergavenny, who died 18 > Oct. 1476 was also married to Elizabeth Beauchamp after his brother's > death. Edward Nevill also married 2nd to Catherine Howard.) > George Nevill, Baron Latimer and his brother Edward Nevill, Baron of > Abergavenny, are 2 out of the 14 children listed for Ralph de Neville, > 1st Earl of Westmoreland, K.G. (Knight of the Garter), who died 21 > Oct. 1426 and his 2nd wife, Joan Beaufort who d. 13 Nov. 1440. All 14 > children were by Joan Beaufort. > Joan was the daughter of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; was a > half-sister of King Henry IV and of Philippa Plantagent, wife of John, > King of Portugal. Joan was also the granddaughter of King Edward III > of England. > Ralph de Nevill, was the son of Sir John de Nevill (d. 17 Oct. 1389 at > Newcastle) and his wife Maud Percy. > Sir John de Nevill was son of Ralph de Nevill and Alice de Audley (she > d. 1374). Ralph de Neville is the Lord Nevill of Raby who fought at > the Battle of Nevill's Cross. > Sources for the above information come from: DE NOVA VILLA, p. 13-17, > 23, 30-31, 34, 36-45, 48, 66-67, 137-138, 148. Glenn, I can't begin to tell you enough how much I appreciate your taking time to share this wonderful info! In one post, you've shown me where I can find another citation for relatives concerning my 21st- generation Grandfather; but more than that, you've also *sent* those citations! I'm very grateful, since I am not close to any of the libraries you mentioned which houses a copy of this "De Nova Villa" work, and I doubt so few copies available would be candidates for an inter-library loan. More pieces of the puzzle! I am in your debt. Thanks tremendously! Allen -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"* John de NEVILL-->Ralph de NEVILLE-->Edward NEVILLE-->Margaret NEVILLE--> Thomas BROOKE-->Elizabeth BROOKE-->Thomas WYATT-->George WYATT--> Haute WYATT-->Edward WYATT-->Conquest WYATT-->Edward WYATT--> William WYATT-->John WYATT-->Vincent WYATT-->Elijah WYATT-->Eli WYATT--> Robert WYATT-->Dewey WYATT-->Mary WYATT-->Pearl COTTLE-->Martha COTTLE -->Allen RICHMOND -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"* Researching: ALLEN, ARMSTRONG, BAKER, BARTON, BERENGER, BOHUN, BOLEYN, BRAYBROOKE, BROOKE, COBHAM, CONQUEST, COOK, COTTLE, COURTENAY, DAVIS, deCASTILLE, deFIENNES, delaPOLE, deLONGUEVILLE, FINCH, FLEMING, GOODE, GUILDFORD, HALSEY, HALTERMAN, HANHAM, HANKINS, HATFIELD, HAUTE, HEYDON, HICKS, HOLLAND, HOWARD, JONES, LAIR, LOWE, MITCHELL, MITFORD, MULLENS, NEVILLE, NEWTON, NICHOLS, PATE, PEVEREL, SELLARDS, SIMPSON, SKINNER, TAILLEFER, THOMAS, TUCHET, UTZLER, VANHOOK, VINCENT, WALTZ, WELCH, WHALEY, WILEY, WILLIAMSON, and WYATT USA: Ohio / West Virginia / Virginia / North Carolina / New Jersey / New York / Vermont / Maryland / Pennsylvania / Kentucky EUROPE: England / Wales / Scotland / Ireland / France / Germany / Switzerland -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*

Sandy! Welcome aboard. Send me your email addr. [not showing here] and the date you signed up, and I will check my older posts to see if there was anything I think you would want. I'm not too active for now, I'm in my 4th week of midnights - 4 weeks to go. But, I'm impressed with the sharing here, this is a pretty active list.

I was informed in the last year or so that "The Ark & Dove" Society is no longer active and inquires should be direcred to Maryland State Archives Annapolis, Md. Off hand I dont have the street address or Zip Code.

Claire, How do you relate to Jeremiah Boone and Joyce Neville? I descend from their daughter Sarah who married Isaac Waggoner. Who are your "other" Lawrence Co. families? Sandy McIntire

Think the society could be dead. I wrote the addresses listed at my local library and the letter was returned. Of course, the library could have had an old listing....who knows.....Ren Glenn Gohr wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 NMissi@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks Glen. Do you perhaps have an address for the Ark and Dove society? > > Missi Nussbaum > > Nmissi@aol.com > > Missi, > > I don't have the address handy, but I'm sure it is listed in THE > HEREDITARY REGISTER. Most libraries would have this. It is listed in the > same book as the Daughters of the Am. Revolution, the Society of the > Cincinnati, The Mayflower Society, and other lineage groups. > > I'll check around further for a current address of the Ark and Dove > Society. > > Best Wishes, > > Glenn Gohr > ggohr01@mail.orion.org -- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

I will post the Ark & Dove list sometime today... Jeanne

De Nova Villa: Or, The House of Nevill in Sunshine and Shade, by Henry J. Swallo. Newcastle-on-Tyne: Andrew Reid, 1885. This book was published in 1885 and is 334 p. It contains much information on the noble family of Neville in England. It is available at the following libraries in the U.S.: University of Hartford, West Hartford, CT Illinois State Historical Library, Springfield, IL Detroit Public Library, Detroit, MI St. Louis Public Library, St. Louis, MO University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC Fort Worth Public Library, Fort Worth, TX Washington & Lee University Library in Virginia University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI I have a copy of this excellent book which was copied from an interlibrary loan copy. I received the book interlibrary loan from U of Wisc-Madison about 14 years ago. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

From the DAR Magazine, Jan. 1988 comes this query: Hardy Nevill, d. Nov. 1823, m. Rebeccah ____ Son: Patrick H. Nevill m. Lydia G. Smith on 4 June 1825 at Halifax Co., NC Contact (in 1988): Alice McClary Zell, 6581 S.W. 77 Ct., Miami, FL 33157 Maybe this old query will help someone now. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

From some handwritten notes of mine I find this: Listed in the IGI index is a Brigett THORNEBY who married John Bateson on 12 Nov. 1639 at Barnesley, Yorkshire. (Thorneby could be another variant of our Bridget Thoresby who married John Neville of the Ark and Dove.) From LDS IGI Batch P007151 Serial Sheet 3425: Nevill, John christened 8 Feb. 1619 at St. Peter Parish at Bolton, Lancashire, England; son of Thomas Nevell. From LDS IGI Batch 007081 Serial Sheet 2026: Nevill, John christened 14 March 1619 at Saint Mary Parish at Blackburn, England; son of John Nevell. I've not been able to check any further on the above references. Possibly someone will want to check out these batch #s for more information as the Two John Nevills are about the right age to be our John of the Ark and Dove. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 NMissi@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Glen. Do you perhaps have an address for the Ark and Dove society? > Missi Nussbaum > Nmissi@aol.com Missi, I don't have the address handy, but I'm sure it is listed in THE HEREDITARY REGISTER. Most libraries would have this. It is listed in the same book as the Daughters of the Am. Revolution, the Society of the Cincinnati, The Mayflower Society, and other lineage groups. I'll check around further for a current address of the Ark and Dove Society. Best Wishes, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Owen Gibson Jones, Jr. wrote: > Goodmorning Glenn, > > I am receiving the Neville information everyday and have not seen any > information tieing to a Sutton line. I have a Catherine Neville b. abt.1443 > inWarwick Castle,Warwickshire, Eng. md. Oliver Sutton(Dudley); many of the > Suttons were born in Dudley castle so some of them took,or were given the > name Dudley. > > The parents of Catherine were George Neville and Elizabeth De Beauchamp. > Is any one out there in Neville land following the Sutton line?? I have a > long line of Suttons but so far I have not been abe to tie my Suttons to any > of the Nevilles I see from the Neville information. > > Any help I can get on this I would be most grateful for. > > Thanks for any help I receive, > > Gail Gail and all, From the book, DE NOVA VILLA: Or, THE HOUSE OF NEVILL IN SUNSHINE AND SHADE, by Henry J. Swallow. Newcastle-on-Tyne: Andrew Reid, 1885, I find on p. 48 a listing for George Nevill, Baron Latimer, who died in 1469. He married Elizabeth Beauchamp. (It appears also on p. 66 that his younger brother, Edward Neville, Baron of Abergavenny, who died 18 Oct. 1476 was also married to Elizabeth Beauchamp after his brother's death. Edward Nevill also married 2nd to Catherine Howard.) George Nevill, Baron Latimer and his brother Edward Nevill, Baron of Abergavenny, are 2 out of the 14 children listed for Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland, K.G. (Knight of the Garter), who died 21 Oct. 1426 and his 2nd wife, Joan Beaufort who d. 13 Nov. 1440. All 14 children were by Joan Beaufort. Joan was the daughter of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; was a half-sister of King Henry IV and of Philippa Plantagent, wife of John, King of Portugal. Joan was also the granddaughter of King Edward III of England. Ralph de Nevill, was the son of Sir John de Nevill (d. 17 Oct. 1389 at Newcastle) and his wife Maud Percy. Sir John de Nevill was son of Ralph de Nevill and Alice de Audley (she d. 1374). Ralph de Neville is the Lord Nevill of Raby who fought at the Battle of Nevill's Cross. Sources for the above information come from: DE NOVA VILLA, p. 13-17, 23, 30-31, 34, 36-45, 48, 66-67, 137-138, 148. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

Thanks Glen. Do you perhaps have an address for the Ark and Dove society? Missi Nussbaum Nmissi@aol.com

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 NMissi@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if there is list of passengers aboard the Ark and the Dove > currently floating around the world wide web? I have conducted numerous > searches without success, and am actually reaching the point where I shell > out for a long distance phone call to Maryland libraries. Thank you. > Missi Nussbaum > Nmissi@aol.com Missi, I don't know about the world wide web on this, but possibly the best source for passengers of "The Ark and Dove" is THE FLOWERING OF THE MARYLAND PALATINATE by Harry Wright Newman. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1984. It gives a very detailed description of the boat trip to Maryland, early life in Maryland, and also gives a list of the passengers and then gives biographical information on each family liested. Quite a bit about the early Maryland Nevilles is included there. Harry Wright Newman wrote several other books pertaining to his own ancestral family lines. Many of them lived in early Maryland. There is also an Ark and Dove Society, which each descendant of John Neville would be eligible to join. They would surely have a list of passengers. Joe Neville sent me some info. on this society many years ago, but I never tried to join. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

Jeanne, Thank you for the response related to Frederick Co., VA. Some of the children in your references to marriages seem to belong to John Neavill (b. 1689, d. 1768 in Fauquier). John named the following children in his will (WB 1, p. 125, Fauquier Co., VA): John, Robert, Gabriel, Henry, Elizabeth Taylor, Sarah Redman, Mary Neavill, Kitty Fitzgerald, Ann Fishback, and Thomas who m. Mary Stewart. The 1767 lawsuit in Winchester, VA, shows a John Neville appearing in court as plaintiff and Richard Neville as defendant. John Neavill (d. 1768 in Fauquier Co.) could have been the plaintiff, as well as General John, the former sheriff of Winchester. (I need to verify this information by ordering a copy of the lawsuit from Frederick Co.) Do you know who Hiram Nevill's father was or anything else about Hiram? I tried, without success, to find out once before because there is a Hiram in my Misssissippi line. Since Hiram Nevill is not a name one comes across every day, I thought the fellow in Frederick Co. might be a clue to my line outside Mississippi. Thanks again for the info. Jan Faulkner At 03:28 PM 7/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >jd: > >Frederick Co VA Marriages 1738-1850: > >Wennery Navel m Susannah Gray 1794 >Gabriel Nevel m Elizabeth Debell 18 Dec 1828 >Henry Nevel m Rachel Brent 23 Mar 1826 >James H Neville m Mary Ann Price 14 Sep 1833 >John Nevill m Elizabeth Carper 14 May 1823 > >Cynthia Nevell m William Trenary 6 Apr 1829, bond, Hiram Nevell >Polly Nevell m Jacob May 26 May 1830, bond Henry Nevell >Emily Nevill m Patrick Conner 27 Mar 1845 > >

jd: Frederick Co VA Marriages 1738-1850: Wennery Navel m Susannah Gray 1794 Gabriel Nevel m Elizabeth Debell 18 Dec 1828 Henry Nevel m Rachel Brent 23 Mar 1826 James H Neville m Mary Ann Price 14 Sep 1833 John Nevill m Elizabeth Carper 14 May 1823 Cynthia Nevell m William Trenary 6 Apr 1829, bond, Hiram Nevell Polly Nevell m Jacob May 26 May 1830, bond Henry Nevell Emily Nevill m Patrick Conner 27 Mar 1845

Don, Effie was a sister to my Grandfather Claude Neville. I have extensive files on this family. I can send you a Ged on them. They tie into the 370 year Neville history. Looking forward to your reply. Chris Snyder Don Campbell wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm new to the list and > have been lurking for a while and have > > decided to participate. > > I'm just starting out on the Nevilles > with my Grandmother (Effie Neville > Brown > b. circa 1872) and have very little to > go on. She and her family homesteaded > in > Colorado from MO. I beleive the > Neville family moved west with the > Brown family > to near Fort Morgan in eastern > Colorado around 1911. I'm not sure if > MO was just > a brief stop before continuing west or > if they lived there for some time. She > > had at least four other sisters and > performed as singers. The other > sisters were > Bertha, Mable (Rosener), _____, > ______. They may have had a brother > Kenneth. > > Thanks, Don