Hello Group, I posted this query about two months ago. Can any of you who have recently joined help with the following? Jan To what family group does the James Nevill found in Washington Co., PA during Revolutionary War belong? What was his connection with Philip Nevill who served in same county? > >Research data collected: > >1778 Lancaster Co., PA: James Nevil took oath of allegiance. 18 April 1777, William and Simeon Nevil also took oath in Lancaster Co. ( I do not know if this is the same James found in Washington Co., PA.) > >7 Dec 1781 Washington Co., PA: James Nevill in Capt. George Sharp's Company, 3rd Bn. > >5 June 1783: Pennsylvania Oaths of Allegiance (source) - James Nevil, formerly of Maryland, taken prisoner by British at sea, was forced into the British Service and deserted the man-of-war last week. (I do not know if this is the same James found in Washington Co., PA.) > >No date: James Nevill listed in Captain Bilderback's co., county of Westmoreland, PA. (I do not know if this is the same James found in Washington Co., PA) > >No date: James Nevill listed as Washington Co, PA soldier of Revolution. > >1778 - 1783: James Nevill served as Washinton Co. ranger on frontier. > >1791: Spanish land claim of James Nevill referred to in William Mackey deed 1804 on land in Natchez District (later Claiborne Co., MS). Philip Nevill seems to have also had legal claim to this same land according to Natchez deeds and also according to land claims when U.S. took over territory from Spanish. > >

Hello Neville Group, I think it is about time to post my line and queries again. Any information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, would be appreciated. There is a Mackey-Neville connection in the Natchez Territory, just as there is a Mackey-Neville connection with the James Nevill family in Barren Co. (originally of Fauquier Co., VA). I have not found a connection between my MS Nevills and those in Barren Co. John and Joseph Bargel Nevill of Montgomery Co., TN, also owned land in Jefferson Co., MS, on Cole's Creek, where my Nevills/Nevels lived in early 1800's. John and Joseph Bargel Nevill were sons of George Nevill who lived in Fauquier Co., VA before going to NC, SC, and finally to Montgomery Co., TN. I have not found a connection between my Nevill/Nevels line and those in Montgomery Co., TN, either. Jan Faulkner ____________________ >I am trying to find the father of my great-great grandfather William Nevels who was born in Mississippi in 1808. In the 1880 census of Holmes Co., MS, William states that his father was born in SC and his mother in VA. Based on a Holmes Co., MS, newspaper account I read, I believe William's father is James Nevill/Nevels who lived in Holmes Co., also. James would have been born ca. 1770-80. Below is the information I have on William (copied from a family Bible and researched through census, family information, newspaper accounts, cemetery records, death certificates, etc. - no marriage certificates because of courthouse fire) > >William Nevels, b. 8 March 1808, probably Jefferson Co., MS; d. 22 Oct 1883, Holmes Co, MS. May have lived in other MS counties, including Yazoo and Hinds, before coming to Holmes Co. > >Brothers and sisters of William Nevels, b. 1808: > >Isaac Nevels, b. 16 April 1812 >Betsey Ann Nevels, b. 15 March 1816 >James Gardner Nevels, b. 6 Sept. 1818 >Sarah Jane Nevels, b. 4 Jan 1821 >Hiram M. (Mordecai ??) Nevels, b. 24. Dec. 1823 >Lucinda Nevels, b. 11 Nov. 1825 >Martin Nevels, b. 8 March 1828 > >The above William J. Nevels married (1) 4 June 1834, Mary J. Nevil, b. 15 Feb. 1817, in Mississippi, probably Jefferson County. Nevil or Nevill is her maiden name. I am trying to find her parents. My grandfather said she was the daughter of a Neville and a Peyton. I have been unable to find a Neville - Peyton marriage in early 1800's in Southern states. The likely candidate to be her father is a Thomas Nevill who lived in Holmes Co., MS. > >Children of William J. and Mary J. (Nevil) Nevels: > 1. Julia Ann Nevels, b. 9 Feb. 1838; m. Daniel McBride ca. 1855, Holmes Co., MS; d. before 1869, prob. Holmes Co. > 2. Lucinda Elizabeth Nevels, b. 27 Oct. 1839; m. Thomas Alexander Eakin; d. 29 Jan. 1929; bur. Oak Grove Cemetery, Holmes Co., MS (Tolarville) > 3. Robert Peyton (Payton) Nevels (my great-grandfather), b. 25 Jan. 1841, Holmes Co., MS; m. (1) Mary Caroline Porter, 14 Jan 1872; m. (2) Susan Porter, 10 Dec. 1884; m. (3) Sudie Sanders, 19 Nov. 1903. Robert Peyton Nevels d. 1 Sept. 1926 in Holmes Co., MS; bur. Oregon Cemetery, Holmes Co. > 4. Sarah Jane Nevels, b. 21 Apr. 1842 > 5. Martha Ann Nevels, b. 28 Jan 1844 > 6. Margaret Eliza Nevels, b. 15 July 1845, m. William Lloyd > 7. Mary Matilda (Molly) Nevels, b. 16 Jan. 1847, Holmes County, MS; m. Franklin Washington Eakin; d. 16 July 1939, Holmes Co.; bur. Oregon Cemetery, Holmes Co., MS > 8. Emily Louise Nevels, b. 17 Feb. 1849, Holmes Co.; m. 26 Apr 1868 to John W. Porter, d. 24 Feb. 1870 > 9. William James Nevels, b. 5 Sept. 1851 > 10. Laminda (or Lawinda) Alice Nevels, b. 30 Aug. 1853; m. Edward Crabtree > 11. John Thomas Nevels, b. 23 Jan. 1855, Holmes Co., MS; m. Lula Lee Sherrod; d. July 1931, bur. Tolarville cemetery, Holmes Co. -------- >The above William J. Nevels (b. 8 Mar 1808) m. (2) sometime before 1865, Missouri Ann Pitchford, b. ca 1831 in MS >Their children: > 1. Lewis Albert (or Elbert) Nevels, b.ca 1865, MS 2. Ella B. Nevels, b. ca 1867, MS 3. Larkin Everet, b. ca 1870, MS 4. Ida Nevels, b. 6 Jan 1879 (date on tombstone; census indicates she was b. ca 1872); unmarried 5. Franklin Nevels, b.ca 1876 6. Fannie Virginia Nevels, b. 29 Jan 1881; m. 19 May 1893 to John Wesley Crabtree; d. 22 Dec. 1909, Holmes Co., MS; bur. Liberty Chapel Cemetery, Holmes Co. >(William, b. 1808, was rather old to be having more children, but they are listed with him on census and this information was also related by family members. I have not been able to find any descendants, yet, of William's second set of children.) > > >My grandfather was Robert Porter Nevels (son of Robt. Peyton Nevels above), >b. 1 Nov. 1872 in Holmes Co., MS; m. 14 April 1909 to Alberta Virginia Ferguson in Memphis, TN; d. 4 Sept 1963 at my parents' home in Hopkinsville, KY; >bur. Memorial Park Cem. in Memphis. >

Hi Sandy, I am related to you! My grandfather was Curtis C. Wilking. His parents were Lewis Albert Wilking and Joyce Neville Cox. Joyce's parents were Boone Cox and Mary Jane McDermed. Boone Cox's parents were Isaac Cox and Sarah Boone Waggoner Cox. Sarah Boone's parents were Jeremiah Boone and Joice Neville. I just was in Ind. and found Jeremiah Boone and Joice's graves and the marker are broken and almost unreadable. the whole Boone Cemetery is a mess. How area you related?? Claire Abel reply to at claireabel@juno.com See my genealogy at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/1946

Jeanne, Tnak you for your interesting post and observations about the stop in VA. Jan ______________ At 01:37 AM 7/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ref list of Ark & Dove passengers: > > No list of the Ark & Dove passengers survives. The list was >compiled through land records and records of claims for land for >transporting passengers. Most surnames have a variety of spellings - > this had more to do with the clerks then the person of name. The >"Gentlemen Adventurers" were recorded, as they were investors in the >settlement. > > Richard Nevitt on this list is often stated as being a Richard >Nevill. John Nevill was transported by Leonard Calvert, Esq., >younger bro. of Cecilius (Cecil), Lord Baltimore, and leader/Governor >of the settlement/St Mary's. > > The only confirmed crew were - John Boulter, purser and steward of >the Ark [the passenger ship] >On the Dove [supply ship] - John Curke, helper / John Games / Richard >Kenton, boatswain / Samuel Lawson / Nicholas Perrie, helper / ____ >Warreloe, mate / Richard Orchard, master. > > The Ark and Dove stopped Feb 27th, 1633/4 at Jamestown, Va. >"They also had some passendgers to land in VA, so presumably enroute >the Ark had taken on a few travelers at Barbadoes or St Kitts whose >destination was Va." It also seems logical to presume some >Virginians may have boarded the Ark, although there is few to none >records of this. It seems reasonable that Calvert would want a few >good men familar with the Indians and geography of the region, and >perhaps an interpreter... It is possible/probable that while they >were at VA Thomas Cornwalys engaged Cuthbert Fenwick to be his >secretary and steward. Capt Wm Claybourne of VA had set up a trade >settlement on Kent Isle, now MD. The Ark & Dove left Point Comfort, >VA Mar 3rd, and sailed up the Chesapeake until they reached the >Potomac. The adventurers delayed their actually landing, checking >the safety ref. Indians, and choosing the area for settlement, after >making an agreement with the Indians. 25 March 1634 [new years day] >the first day of spring and Feast of the Annunciation of the Blessed >Virgin, the Ark and Dove landed on St Clement's Island, where >thanksgiving prayers were offered by the two priests - Father Altham >and Father White, Roman Catholics. > > > Anyone who has dabbled in the Va records of the same period, will >recognize many of the above names, including - Calvert, Gerard, >Medcalf, Draper, Gilbert, Allen, Middleton, Beane, Hilliard, Martin, >Hallowes, Sherley, Rabnett (Rabinett/Robinett), Fenwick, Duke, >Orchard, Perry... and of course, the names too common to discern - >Smith, Price, etc. Not only are they found in the Tidewater area >surrounding the Jamestown settlement, but across the Potomac from St >Marys/Charles Co., Md., in Northumberland/Westmoreland Va. > >

Glenn I will send you the money for both books Jodie Gee ---------- > From: Glenn Gohr <ggohr01@mail.orion.org> > To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: 360-Year History, etc. > Date: Thursday, July 24, 1997 4:41 AM > > I have had 30 copies made of Joe Neville's first book--A 360-YEAR HISTORY > OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1972) which was privately published by him in > 1974. At that time he produced 42 copies. > > Later, when I became interested in the family and supplied him with some > very valuable info., he gave me a complimentary copy of his first book. > > This book did not have a cover page. I designed one to look virtually the > same as what he put on his later 370-YEAR HISTORY. The 360-Year History > was put into a 3-hole binder. I have instead put these copies into a > spiral bound, just like the other book that he did later. > > The 360-Year History was done after Joe had done several years of research > on his own, visiting places in Fauquier, Prince William & other places in > Virginia. But it was published prior to the Society of John Neville > Descendants Newsletters being printed. From those newsletters cames much > good information, which Joe included in his 2nd volume which is more > complete in many respects. > > The best source to get is the 370-Year History (already posted on this > list), but you may also want to get the 360-Year History as it contains > some things not in the second volume. > > Table of Contents: > > Preface: One Neville line in England; purpose of this project; special > thanks; Neville chronology; list of abbreviations. (4 p.) > > Errata sheet (2 p.)--info. received after his first printing of the book. > > Part I: A List of Family Members (Outline of the lineages given) (13 p.) > > Part II: Biographical sketches; pictures, etc. (43 p.) > > Thus with the title page, there are a total of 63 pages in the book. I've > made it spiral bound. The cost with postage = $4.00. > > This book includes a chronology not found in the later book. Some of the > narrative in the preface has info. not found in the later book. The > outline of family members makes it much easier to locate an individual in > this book than in the second book. Many of the footnotes contain info. > not found in the second volume. > > Thus, I recommend also getting his first book--even if you have the > 370-Year History. But if you can only afford one book, then get the most > updated one, the 370-Year History which has 175 pages in it for a total > cost of $10.00. > > Here's a recap: > > 370-Year History (already reported on earlier) = 175 p.; cost is $10.00. > > 360-Year History = 63 p.; cost is $4.00 postage paid. > > Order from: > > Glenn Gohr > 1040 E. McCanse St. > Springfield, MO 65803-3613 > Ph. 417-833-2814 >

The Battle of Nevill's Cross, by Henry J. Swallow, 1885, is a small booklet that was photocopied and given to all charter members of the Society of John Neville Descendants in December 1976. It is 23 pages long. Getting two pages to a sheet, I can get this on 12 pages. I'd be glad to send this to anyone for $1.50 each. This would have to be mailed first class as it would be loose photocopies. This booklet tells the history of the famous battle in English history which occurred on Oct. 17, 1346 and involved Ralph Lord Nevill of Raby who married Alice de Audley. I have a photocopy of the booklet which was sent to me by Joseph B. Neville in the early 1980s. My copy is dim in some parts, but I believe it still will duplicate satisfactorily. Since the booklet was published in 1885, it seems to be a rare item. I have no idea if a copy would be available anywhere else. Henry J. Swallow, Rector of Hawthorn, is the same person who wrote the book, DE NOVA VILLA, about the early Neville family in England. If you want this booklet, the cost would be $1.50 postage paid. Also, be advised that I plan to duplicate all of the Society of John Neville Descendants newsletters from 1976-1980 and have them bound if possible. If so, I also will include this booklet in with the newsletters since Joseph Neville and the Soc. of John Neville Descendants also included it in with the newsletters to begin with. You would not want to order the booklet separately, if you plan to order the Soc. of John Neville Descendants newsletters. The newsletters are on legal size paper and number 88 pages by themselves. Also, they include type very close to the margin, so it will be tricky to get those bound, but I think I can do it. I'll try to let you know in the next day or so on the cost for the newsletters as several have shown an interest. But if you just want the booklet, THE BATTLE OF NEVILL'S CROSS, that would be $1.50. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr 1040 E. McCanse St. Springfield, MO 65803-3613 Ph. 417-833-2814 (evenings)

I have had 30 copies made of Joe Neville's first book--A 360-YEAR HISTORY OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1972) which was privately published by him in 1974. At that time he produced 42 copies. Later, when I became interested in the family and supplied him with some very valuable info., he gave me a complimentary copy of his first book. This book did not have a cover page. I designed one to look virtually the same as what he put on his later 370-YEAR HISTORY. The 360-Year History was put into a 3-hole binder. I have instead put these copies into a spiral bound, just like the other book that he did later. The 360-Year History was done after Joe had done several years of research on his own, visiting places in Fauquier, Prince William & other places in Virginia. But it was published prior to the Society of John Neville Descendants Newsletters being printed. From those newsletters cames much good information, which Joe included in his 2nd volume which is more complete in many respects. The best source to get is the 370-Year History (already posted on this list), but you may also want to get the 360-Year History as it contains some things not in the second volume. Table of Contents: Preface: One Neville line in England; purpose of this project; special thanks; Neville chronology; list of abbreviations. (4 p.) Errata sheet (2 p.)--info. received after his first printing of the book. Part I: A List of Family Members (Outline of the lineages given) (13 p.) Part II: Biographical sketches; pictures, etc. (43 p.) Thus with the title page, there are a total of 63 pages in the book. I've made it spiral bound. The cost with postage = $4.00. This book includes a chronology not found in the later book. Some of the narrative in the preface has info. not found in the later book. The outline of family members makes it much easier to locate an individual in this book than in the second book. Many of the footnotes contain info. not found in the second volume. Thus, I recommend also getting his first book--even if you have the 370-Year History. But if you can only afford one book, then get the most updated one, the 370-Year History which has 175 pages in it for a total cost of $10.00. Here's a recap: 370-Year History (already reported on earlier) = 175 p.; cost is $10.00. 360-Year History = 63 p.; cost is $4.00 postage paid. Order from: Glenn Gohr 1040 E. McCanse St. Springfield, MO 65803-3613 Ph. 417-833-2814

Hi group....forget my last two posts, I jumped the gun and think I can anwere most of my own question. For those interested however in old John of Gaunt and Catherine Swynford aka Roet, John was born march 1340 in Ghent, Flanders, Belgium. He was the son of Edward III and Phillippa of Hainault. He married Catherine Swynford Roet, daughter of Sir Payne of Guienne Roet. She was born 1350 and died in 1403. Her other husband was Hugh Swynford. John of Gaunt did marry Blanche of Lancaster (who I will assume I have down as Blanche Plantagenet) and had Henry IV. John also married Constanza, queen of Castile and I believe Blanche Plantagenet was married to Ludwig of Bavaria. Going back in my "programs" and see if I can do some "merging", then corrections, then updates etc. Just wish all those old "genealogist" would have decided on one name for these people, but life isn't easy is it......hope you didn't share too much of my confusion..........take care.......Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Ren and other cousins, Quoting from "Roayalty for Commoners" by Roderick Stuart, Genealogical Publishing, Co., which Ren now needs because it lists all the known ancestors of none other than John of Gaunt, yes Plantagenet: "John of Gaunt, Prince of England, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Richmond, Titular King of Castile and Leon, Knight of the Garter; b. March 1340, Bavon Abbey, Ghent, Flanders; d. 3 Feb 1399, Leicester Castle, London; md(1) 19 May 1359, Blanche of Lancaster; md(2) June 1371, Constance, dau of Pedro "the Cruel," King of Castile; md(3) 13 Jan 1396, his longtime mistress, Katherine Roet, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford; Katherine was b. 1350; d. 1403; bur Lincoln Cathedral; her father was Sir Paon (Payne) Roet, Guienne King of Arms, a Gascon; her sister Philippa md Geoffrey Chaucer, the poet." John's parents and line: Edward III Plantagenet, and Philippa of Hainault Edward II Plantagenet, and Isabella, Princess of France Edward I "Lomgshanks" Plantagenet, and Eleanor of Castile Henry III Plantagenet, and Eleanor of Provence John "Lackland", and Isabella of Angouleme Henry II "Curt Mantel", and Eleanor of Aquitaine Geoffrey Plantagenet, 5th Duke of Normany, and Matilda, daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" and on and on. Charlemagne, etc. If you prove to John of Gaunt, this is a "must have" book. Best of luck to all of us. Brian Walls Columbia, Maryland

Yesterday, we had some Roet's floating around concerning John of Gaunt, his wife and posibly her mother. Somewhere I picked up that Katherine de Roet was the third wife (childless) of Ralph Neville B: 1364 who had previously married Margaret Stafford and Joan Beaufort. I additionally get confused since this "source" had this subject Katherine married to Hugh Swynford. Catherine Swynford, aka Roet, aka Hainault, wife of John of Gaunt I thought was the daughter of Guillaume IV of Hainault and Katherine de Roet. Question: does anyone have the birth and death dates of Katherine de Roet, wife of Hugh Swynford and Ralph Neville(if she was their wife). Does anyone have the birth dates or death dates of Katherine de Roet, reported wife of Guillaume IV of Hainault. Is Guillaume and Hugh the same person (kinda doubt it). Was Katherine married to all three of these critters, Ralph Neville, Hugh Swynford and Guillaume or do we have two Katherine de Roet's or do we really give a rip. Have we settled on the name of Catherine Swynford as "the" name to use as the wife of John of Gaunt. Was John of Gaunt a "Beaufort" according to the "chart" I have on file or was he a Plantagenet as reported by Glenn? I can make my life real simple by deleting Katherine as the third wife of Ralph or just leave her hang out there, however with Hugh Swynford being shown as the husband of Katherine, I'm a little reluctant to delete old Guillaume IV as the father of Catherine Swynford who married John of Gaunt...........bye (now aint this fun!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

JP...hate to use the discussion group for this, but think this message sez your not home at your regular address.......thank you for the list. Group: if your interested in where to get some books, read on.......Ren Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) > from 1Cust109.Max13.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.34.146.237] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <ELXC78A@prodigy.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to pimaia1y.prodigy.com.: > >>> MAIL From:<beschutzer@earthlink.net> SIZE=940 > <<< 550 Access denied > 554 <ELXC78A@prodigy.com>... Service unavailable > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Reporting-MTA: dns; denmark.it.earthlink.net > Received-From-MTA: DNS; 1Cust109.Max13.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET > Arrival-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; ELXC78A@prodigy.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: DNS; pimaia1y.prodigy.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Access denied > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Publishers > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:48 -0700 > From: Ren Neville <beschutzer@earthlink.net> > Organization: http://home.earthlink.net/~beschutzer > To: JP BARTON <ELXC78A@prodigy.com> > References: <199707231112.HAA03452@mime4.prodigy.com> > > JP.......thank you for the address and thank you for taking the time to > type out all the informatin on the Ark and Dove passengers! MUCH > APPRECIATED!.........Ren > > JP BARTON wrote: > > > > Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. > > 1001 N Calvert St > > Baltimore, MD 21202-3879 > > 1-800-296-6687 > > > > Family Line Publications > > Rear 63 E. Main St > > Westminister, MD 21157 > > 1-800-876-6103 > > > > Hearthstone Bookshop > > 5735-A Telegraph Rd > > Alexandria, VA 22303 > > 1-888-960-3300 > > www.hearthstonebooks.com > > > > all three of the above publishers are very good sources for the Mid- > > Atlantic States [esp MD & VA] > > -- > Ren and Judy Neville > vom Junggesellental Rottweilers > Wörterbuch Publishing > 510-432-3323 voice/FAX > > "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall > He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 -- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Jeanne Barton and all: The 370-Year History does contain additional information on the early lines in Fauquier, Northampton, Isle of Wight, Middlesex Counties in Virginia and also the Nevilles in Calvert Co., MD. Joe Neville includes a number of footnote references, has added new family connections like my line (Mary Neville Dodson [c1730-aft. 1790], daughter of Joseph Neville, Sr. [1707-aft. 1790]). The 370-Year History is more than twice as long as the 360-Year History, includes much new info. on the early families, is typed in compressed type (smaller type) and includes some info. in the introduction on the Nevilles in Great Britain, although the connection to John Neville of the Ark and Dove has not been traced or proven ever. Of all the Neville family history books, the 370-Year History is the best one to have. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

OK you guys, now I'm really confused. I'm lookintg at a chart plucked from a Library along the line titled: THE BEAUFORT FAMILY which shows "John of Gaunt" at the top m. Catherine Swynford with children: 1. John Beaufort m. Margaret Holland 2. Henry Beaufort (a Bishop) 3. Thomas, D. of Exter (d 1426) m Margaret Neville and 4. Joan Beaufort m. Robert Ferrers, and Ralph Neville Glenn, you state that John is a Plantagenet. I haven't the foggiest how these turkeys got their names. Question: Who is the parents of John of Gaunt aka Beaufort or Plantagenet. Guess I got my Catherine problem solved, she goes by three names, Swynford (Swinford), Catherine of Hainault and Katherine de Roelt (maybe). Unfortunately, I'm now worse off because I've got a bunch of entries for each of these alias going to different fella's (I think). As to Catherine of Hainault: I show her born in 1348 in Hainault Belgium, dau. of Guillaume IV of Hainault and Catherine Roet. Question: have I now crossed my two Catheine Roet's, in other words, Catherine Roet, wife of Guillaume is mistaken for Catherine Roet, wife of John of Gaunt. Question: is there one accepted name for Catherine Swynford aka Hainault, aka Roet that I can use to consolidate this big mess. Are my dates right for Catherine Swynford (1348-1403) and once again, what are the birth and death dates on John of Gaunt, aka Plantagent or Beaufort (I show him married on 1-13-1368/69 in Ghent, Flanders, Belgium) and who sired this proud puppie (or is it hatched this turkey). Anybody know a place to get a good "Royalty" book that is available through a local book store this afternoon!........thanx group! Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Gabe.....would you be so kind as to send me the address of Genealogical Publishing when you think of it.........thanx....Ren Neville, Gabe wrote: > > I have a book at home (I'm now at work) called "The Flowering of the > Maryland Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, probably the best MD > genealogist ever. It has lists of passengers in it. I've never seen it > on the web, but you might be able to find a copy of the book somewhere. > You can also order it for $25 from Genealogical Publishing. > > >---------- > >From: NMissi@aol.com[SMTP:NMissi@aol.com] > >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 12:11 PM > >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Ark and Dove > > > >Does anyone know if there is list of passengers aboard the Ark and the Dove > >currently floating around the world wide web? I have conducted numerous > >searches without success, and am actually reaching the point where I shell > >out for a long distance phone call to Maryland libraries. Thank you. > >Missi Nussbaum > >Nmissi@aol.com > > > > -- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi Glen A slight correction here: > >I have him married to Katherine Roelt, also known as Katherine Swinford or >Katherine of Hainault. I don't know if the other wife is valid or not. You are referencing John's 3rd marriage, which was to Katherine de Roet, widow of Hugh Swynford, Knt., of Coleby and Ketelthorpe, co.Lincoln (d.1372), the younger dau/co-heiress of Pain de Roet, Knt., Guienne King of Arms, a Hainaulter, and one of the knights of Q.Philippe's household. > >He would be referenced in books on the Emperor Charlemagne's descendants. >I found my references in a set of books called MAGNA CHARTA which traces >descendants of the signers of the Magna Charta signed by King John in the >1200s. > You perhaps are referring to the Magna Charta series by Wurtz, which should be used with great caution! Good digging, Bill gedigger@bellatlantic.net

I have a book at home (I'm now at work) called "The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, probably the best MD genealogist ever. It has lists of passengers in it. I've never seen it on the web, but you might be able to find a copy of the book somewhere. You can also order it for $25 from Genealogical Publishing. >---------- >From: NMissi@aol.com[SMTP:NMissi@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 12:11 PM >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Ark and Dove > >Does anyone know if there is list of passengers aboard the Ark and the Dove >currently floating around the world wide web? I have conducted numerous >searches without success, and am actually reaching the point where I shell >out for a long distance phone call to Maryland libraries. Thank you. >Missi Nussbaum >Nmissi@aol.com > >

Glenn: Kudoos to you for your generosity - I'm sure the folks here appreciate it. I have the 360 yr history, so have hesitated to inconvenience you ref the 370 yr history... my line female's out ca 1720s, when Mary Neavil marries John Rosser. Are you aware of any changes in that early period, or is the 370 yr book simply a continuation of later lines?

Lawrence, and Neville subscribers: someone on the Neville list asked about my Rosier/Rossers, so I'm killing two birds with one stone. Anyone not interested, please delete. Lawrence: Sorry I am so long in getting back to you. Besides being on the midnight shift for three weeks, I've had computer problems [and the darn printer is down]. For now, I'm not sure what I wrote you as I can't retrieve my posts, so I am going to wing it. The following is my "semi-proven" line: King George, Stafford and Richmond Co. Deeds 1678 Richard ROSSER owned land adjoining Hugh Williams, on Pasbetanzy/Paspatancy Creek, between the Potomac and Rappahannock Rivers. Stafford co. Deeds mentions land of John Gardiner, decd., partially adj. the land of Richard Rosser, dec'd., 22 Oct 1690. [the Pasbetanzy Crk was the dividing line between Stafford & King George, so Richard was right on the line.] 1698 a will of David Rosser was recorded in nearby Richmond Co. 1699, James Lunsford filed a deed on land adj. Richard Rosser, Stafford Co., on Indian Cabin Branch 1704 Richard Rosser of St Mary's parish, Richmond co., wit. the will of John Williams 1705 a Rowley had land adj. Richard Rosser, Richmond Co. 1705 Catherine, dau. of Hugh Williams, wife of John Rowley, dec'd., was seized of 500a. in Richmond Co., escheat was granted to Wm Wood, next of kin to Catherine; adj. Richard Rosser, Evan Williams, Mr Hails. 1721 part of Richmond Co. became King George Co. 1725 - King George Deed Book - in a deposition, Richard Rosser gave his age as 48 yrs old. [b. ca 1677] [note - the county boundaries of Richmond, Stafford and King George came together near where Rosser's lived. In checking creeks, etc., it appears that Rossers were pretty much stable, but the boundaries changed around them. Not sure about David Rosser, though, and found no connection between him and the two Richard's.] There is a record in the Overwharton Parish records [Stafford Co] that Richard Rosser [150 acres] & Richard Rowley pay their taxes in King George Co. 1722. King George Co. Wills: Richard Rosser of King George... mentions, to "my three sons," John, William and James Rosser - 398a. of land lying in the co. of Prince William, one tract 297a. lying on the north side of Watery Mountain, and one tract of 101a. lying on the North Fork of Rappahannock River, to be equally divided... between the survivors ... in case they all die without heirs then the said tracts of land to be equally divided between Barbary, Sarah, Ann and Elizabeth Rosser... [later on in the will, in the distribution of a few slaves to the sons & 1st two girls, he also mentions a dau. Rachel, who may have already been settled on, as he mentions she has already received certain items.] Richard appointed his loving wife, Sarah Rosser his sole executrix. Will dated 12 Jun 1735. Probated 5 Mar 1735/6. Sarah continues on the home plantation, is mentioned in tax records 1743, and in William's will, 1747. Richard's sons William died 1747 without heirs, and James died 1757 without heirs. John, who appears to have been the eldest, porbably born 1720-26, married probably in Prince William Co., to Mary, eldest daughter of George Neavil/Neville of Prince William Co., ca 1746/7, in that part that became Fauquier Co. 1759. John and Mary Neavil Rosser [she b. Middlesex Co. 1726] had eleven children, four boys, seven girls, the first dau. Sarah born by 1747, and mentioned in his bro. William's will. I descend from their daughter Leticia, b. ca. 1770, and m. 1792, Fauquier Co., Edward Ball [1767-1813] of Spencer, of Joseph, bro. of Mary Ball, mother of George Washington. Letty and Edward Ball removed to Maysville, KY, but he died 1814, in War of 1812, and she returned to Fauquier Co. Edward Ball's mother was Hannah Smith, of Joseph, of Middlesex co. Va.

Hi All, Today in the mail I received a number of orders and payment for A 370-YEAR HISTORY OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1982). I also mailed out books to the following: Alice L. Bell 2 Lois Brown Boesch 1 Gene Cox 1 Ralph German 1 Ryan D. Neaveill 1 Peter J. Neville 1 Ren Neville 2 Missi Nussbaum 1 Jean Scarlett 1 Christine Snyder 3 Michelle Ule 1 Since I mailed these at the local grocery story/postal station because it was late evening when I got these packaged up and ready to mail, they will not be postmarked until 7/22/97. To date, I have received orders for 25 books (am still waiting for payment on some of these before sending), plus I donated 1 copy myself to the local genealogy library. I hope everyone is pleased with their books. I'll post the costs for duplicating the 360-Year History and other items as I get them figured out. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

John of Gaunt's surname was actually Plantagenet. He was one of the last males of that family as the name died out. I have him married to Katherine Roelt, also known as Katherine Swinford or Katherine of Hainault. I don't know if the other wife is valid or not. He would be referenced in books on the Emperor Charlemagne's descendants. I found my references in a set of books called MAGNA CHARTA which traces descendants of the signers of the Magna Charta signed by King John in the 1200s. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org