Isn't this Gabe's line? Jan ____________________ At 02:24 PM 7/27/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi group.....there is on Joseph Neville b: abt 1791 in Maryland, who >married on 6-13-1815 in East Union, Wayne Co., Ohio Mary (Polly) >Buckmaster. Joseph was the son of John Neville and Sarah Richardson who >had a ton of Neville issue (as did Joseph and Mary) The group seems to >be centered around Wayne Ohio then migrating to Iowa. Any help is >appreciated......thanx group!.......Ren >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ren and Judy Neville >vom Junggesellental Rottweilers >Wörterbuch Publishing >510-432-3323 voice/FAX > >"If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall >He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 > >

> Recieved the books in good shape. I > have copies of some information on > James Morgan Neville and his son John > Ward Neville that I got from Harrison > county Historical Society some time > ago. But I have had some trouble > getting a Death certificate from > Missouri Records on James Morgan and > his wife Lilly Ann (Rosa or Risa) > Brooks. I could use some suggestions > on getting the copies of the death > certificates. James Morgan Neville > died in 1907 in Harrison co., MO and > his wife Lilly Ann Brooks died in 1865 > . Thanks so much for making the > copies and making them available to > us. I will abe sending a check for > the newsletters and the 360 year > history. Thanks again, Chris Snyder

Kathy, The replies are not defaulting to the list, again, I just noticed. The reply was coming back to you. I have run into the same problem over and over with Nevill/Newell. I understand the squint. I have even gone as far as recreating the writing with my own hand to see if I could get a better idea. I am still working on a James and William Nevel/Newel in Yazoo Co, MS early land records. As far as Samuel Nevill/Nevell in Mont. Co., TN, goes, my vote is still out on that one. I need to see original records. As far as I know, he only turns up twice associated with Montgomery Co., TN. He is listed as Samuel Nevill on an early 1800 Mont. Co. tax list. One reference in court minutes I have surveyed thus far show a Samuel Newell. At one time, I thought Samuel Nevill might be part of your clan in Mont. Co., since he is not accounted for any other way. Then I realized that old George Nevill's father-in-law was Samuel Nevill, and I could see the possibility that he could be an unknown son of George's. Those thoughts occurred before I found the Samuel Newell reference in court minutes. I did see enough on a William Newell to know that he was always listed as Newell. Unfortunately, he apparently lived in the neighborhood or area where John Nevill lived! He also went to MS for a few years, according to court records in Montgomery Co. When he apparently returned around 1817, he got real busy serving on juries along with John and George W. Nevill. On the 1820 census of Montgomery Co., TN, a William Nevel appears. I did not get to that date in my survey of court records, so it't going to be interesting to see if William Nevel on the census should be Newel. Randerson Newell? How could the Newells be so inconsiderate as to mimic the sound or spellling of Nevill names!!! Thanks for your observations and comments. Jan At 08:30 AM 7/27/97 -0600, you wrote: >Jan: > >I just read your note about the Nevill/Newell spelling in Montgomery >Co., TN. Is it possible that the handwriting makes it look like Newell? >On Granvil Nevill's Texas confederate pension the name LOOKS like Newell >on the front page and has been indexed that way, but it is definitely >Nevill through the papers. Squint your eyes one way and looks like >Nevill; squint your eyes another way and it looks like Newell. It's a >swoopy V thing that they have going in their handwriting. > >You would have laughed your head off to have seen me spend a whole >afternoon energetically chasing a Randerson Newell all over TN and MS >because I was just sure he might turn out to be Granderson Nevill. Well, >he was Randerson Newell!!! > >Kathy > >Kathy > >

The Ward/Neville connection that I have seen in a couple of notes prompts me to add---- On the 1870 census of Titus Co., Tx G.D. [Granderson Jr.] and his wife Louisa Rebbeca (Walker) Nevill have a sixteen year old girl living in their house hold named Nancy Ward. She goes to Scott Co., AR with them in 1871 and marries a Jasper Finch in Sebastian Co., AR. What is her connection to the Nevills? I once thought that she was a half-sister to Rebecca, but I know now that she is not. There IS the possibility that she is a half-sister to G.D. Jr. Granderson's mother Martha E. Nevel may have married a WARD after she divorced Granderson Dandridge Nevill Sr. in Dickson Co., TN in 1845. Thoughts any one? Kathy

Thanks to those of you who resent me Barbara's message which said: > My earliest Neville is Elisha Neville who died in 1863. He married > Eliza Ann Forth (1834-1917) and they had about six children. George > W. , Mahala E., John M., William H., and I think Nancy and Orabelle. > Eliza remarried and had some more children, so I am not sure who's > kids were whose? The land sale records I mentioned earlier show purchases by an Elisha Neavill, Elizah Neavill, Elijah Neavill and Enoch Neavill. All the purchases were in Effingham County, Illinois and most of the sales were between 1850 and 1853. I'm willing to bet Elijah, Elisha and Enoch are brothers. Barbara, do you happen to know for sure any info about Elisha's siblings? Ryan D. Neaveill Champaign, IL

Glen: Just wanted to tell you that I've received my copies in mint condition. Thanks once again for making this offer. Now I am wondering if anyone will be making a creating an edition based on data on descendants of those in the book. NO, I am not volunteering to do this, but there may be some very detail-oriented person in 'our group' who is and who would. Again, thanks. Alice LATHAM Bell

Barbara: Do you have a birth date and place of birth for Elisha? I'm looking for Nevill males born 1835-1840 in TN. Kathy

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, MRS BARBARA A MCNAMER wrote: > Did I forget to say my Neville's were in Effingham Co, IL? I must have missed this message. Could somebody please resend me the info on the Nevilles from Effingham County, Illinois? That's where mine are from as well. My great great great great grandfather was Enoch Neavill. I recently found several government land sale records in which he bought many acres in Effingham for what is now dirt cheap (like $1.25 for 40 acres!). He also had a son Andrew J. Neville (this seems to be where our spelling began its evolution) who bought land in Wayne County, Illinois. And I believe he had another son named Enoch D. Neaville who purchased land in Marion County, Illinois. All three of these counties are next to each other so it seems to show how the family branched out from Effingham Co. I also discovered another land sale record of an Andrew J. Neavall. I think this misspelling was a clerical error. These land sales records can be searched from the Illinois State archives on the World Wide Web at: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/ Here are all the Nevilles (and various spellings) that they have records of: (FILE) NEAVALL ANDREW J Feb. 18, 1843 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVIL THOMAS Feb. 28, 1867 Railroad (RR) (FILE) NEAVILL ELIJAH Dec. 8, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ELISHA Dec. 5, 1850 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ELISHA July 15, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ELIZAH Dec. 6, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ENOCH Dec. 6, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ENOCH June 22, 1850 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ENOCH June 22, 1850 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILL ENOCH March 1, 1838 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEAVILLE ENOCH D 1871 Railroad (RR) (FILE) NEAVILLE GEORGE Sept. 20, 1839 School (SC) (FILE) NEAVILLE ULYSSES C March 22, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVELL BENTLEY May 31, 1839 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVIL JOSEPH May 21, 1849 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL ENOCH May 23, 1851 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE Jan. 21, 1851 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE T Jan. 23, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE W Dec. 12, 1855 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE W Feb. 25, 1856 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE W Feb. 25, 1856 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE W Feb. 25, 1856 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL GEORGE W Feb. 25, 1856 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL H JR June 16, 1834 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARRY Sept. 16, 1833 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARRY Sept. 16, 1833 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY Feb. 3, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY Feb. 3, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY Jan. 1, 1851 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY July 9, 1851 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY July 9, 1851 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL HARVEY April 16, 1851 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARVY Oct. 19, 1852 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HARVY Oct. 19, 1852 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL HENRY Oct. 2, 1834 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL J JR June 16, 1834 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JAMES Oct. 2, 1834 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JAMES June 1, 1835 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL JAMES June 1, 1835 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL JAMES June 1, 1835 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL JAMES June 1, 1835 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILL JOHN R Dec. 12, 1855 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JOHN R Dec. 12, 1855 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JOHN R Dec. 12, 1855 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JOHN R Dec. 12, 1855 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JOSEPH Oct. 28, 1836 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL JOSEPH Oct. 28, 1836 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL PATRICK Jan. 1, 1838 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 12, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 12, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 12, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 12, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 12, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W March 18, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W March 18, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILL WILLIAM W Dec. 19, 1857 Wetlands (SW) (FILE) NEVILLE AMANDA A Sept. 28, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE ANDREW J Oct. 9, 1851 School (SC) (FILE) NEVILLE CHRISTOPHER June 9, 1834 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE CHRISTOPHER Nov. 11, 1833 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE CHRISTOPHER Nov. 16, 1833 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE ELISHA July 20, 1853 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE GEORGE Nov. 19, 1839 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE GEORGE Sept. 4, 1852 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE GEORGE JR June 11, 1849 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE GEORGE SEN Nov. 18, 1839 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE GEORGE SEN April 17, 1840 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE HARVY Nov. 30, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE HARVY Nov. 30, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE HARVY Nov. 30, 1854 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JAMES Jan. 21, 1850 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JAMES April 20, 1849 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JAMES June 8, 1836 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOHN W Jan. 11, 1870 Railroad (RR) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH April 11, 1867 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH Aug. 8, 1836 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE JOSEPH M Oct. 31, 1872 Railroad (RR) (FILE) NEVILLE ROBERT Sept. 8, 1852 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILLE ROBERT April 17, 1840 Federal sale (FD) (FILE) NEVILS JAMES March 22, 1837 Federal sale (FD)

More answers for Ren: Anne Ward was dau of Christopher WARD d.1521, by Margaret GASCOIGNE, dau of William GASCOIGNE d.1463 by Jane de NEVILLE (how's that for wrapping back to Neville?) Jane de NEVILLE, wife of William GASCOIGNE, was dau of John NEVILLE d.1481/2 by Elizabeth NEWMARCH. Ren Neville wrote: > Hi group........there was a Alexander Neville of Thornton Bridge who > Sir Alexander NEVILLE, of Thornton Bridge, b.c.1390, d.1457, m. 1401 Catharine EURE, d.bef. 31 Aug 1459Issue: William NEVILLE, b.c.1425/6, d.1469, of Thornton Bridge, m. Joan Issue of William & Joan: William NEVILLE, m. (1) under age) contract 13 Oct 1457, Joan, dau of Christopher BOYNTON; m. (2) Alice Issue of William & Joan: Sir Ralph NEVILLE b.c.1465, d.24 Jul 1522, of Thornton Bridge; m.1500/1, Anne WARD > Data taken from _The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215_ , Frederick Lewis Weis, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1979 (still in print) > married a Catherine de Eure, dau. of Ralph de Eure who sired one > William > Neville b: abt 1425, who's son William married on Joan Boynton. Their > son Ralph Neville of Thornton Bridge evidently married one Ann Ward > whos parents were Christopher Ward and Margaret Cascoigne who had one > > Katherine Neville b: abt 1500. Can anyone tie this in and confirm the > parentage.......thanxs........Ren > --------------------------------- > -------------------------------------

Glenn: I am looking at your own lines you sent [7/15] and would like to compare notes - as, you, I and most everyone else, eventually have to know facts on John the Immigrant to St Marys... You have John 1612-1664 d. "Calvert Co." That should be 1664/5, Charles Co.: MD Calendar of Wills [abstracts]: Nevill, John, Portobacco, Chas. Co., 15 Jan 1664 - 4 Feb 1664 [1665, new style] To wife Johanna, property, real and personal, formerly bestowed by deed of gift. To son William, plantation. To dau. Ellen Lambert, son John Lambert, grandson John Lambert, personalty. There seems to be a period John was in Calvert, which could be caused by county boundary changes, but I plan on going back over everything I have, to see how that came about. It may be from Joe Neville's 360 yr book... I do not recall ever reading where Bridget died, or exactly when - do you have that documented? John gave a few depositions where he gave his age - I'll post them - it varies a bit. Calvert Co. originally was on both sides of the Patuxent River, and that makes for some confusion. I'll sort that out for everyone. It was only a short time before Calvert was on the north side of the river only, St Mary's taking back the south side. In fact, for a very short time, Calvert was called Patuxent Co., originally. There is something that I think is worthy of discussion. The assumption that John Nevill, Calvert Co. will 1673, probated 1674, is the first son of John the Immigrant: Nevill, John, Calvert Co.: 5 Oct 1673-14 Oct 1674 To Richard Tillman, Talbot Co., personalty. Patrick Sullivant of Talbot Co., ex. and residuary legatee of estate, real and personal. test: Ralph Blackhall, Jas. Barkhurst There is not one clue here that he is son of John. On the other hand, there were so few Nevilles, its easy to assume. But, there is a Richard Nevill of the Ark & Dove, sometimes documented as Richard Nevitt, that spent some time in St Mary's, then seems to have ended up on the Eastern Shore. Note that Talbot Co. is Eastern Shore. If John Sr had settled on his oldest son, John Jr, then why doesn't John Jr mention land? [Jr my addition - I find "Jr" nowhere in the records] Most, if not all of us here claim descent from John I's son, James, who went to Northampton Co. VA., or so the experts tell us. That may pan out in the end, but it seems to me that we have to account for John who d. Calvert Co. 1673-74, and also Richard of the E Shore. As we also have to know who were the first Nevilles at Isle of Wight, and what was the connection? Where is it documented that James of Northampton is son of John of Charles Co? Calvert Co. was created 1654. Do our previous researchers explain to us the Calvert Co. dates of 1640, and 1643? Was it that part of St Mary's that eventually, for a short time, became Calvert Co? What is the documentation that says James of Northampton Co., died ca 1700 Isle of Wight? What is the documentation that his son John was born ca 1661 Northampton? Personally, the only thing I can be sure of, is my lines back to George Neavil of Middlesex, who m. 1st Hannah [Symes?] and had his first two dau's baptized in Christ Church, Middlesex., marrying 2nd Mary Gibbs and removing to Prince William/Fauquier to raise his family, and leave a will dated 26 Feb 1774. It seems anything earlier is speculation. George being the brother of Joseph, of whom so many of you here are descendants of... Speaking of that - do you document Joseph's birth in Isle of Wight? I offer this simply as questions that should be considered by all of us - I'm as much in the dark to some of these questions as anyone. Actually, I may have some info. around here that answers my own questions, but I sure haven't come across it, yet <g>.. still digging. .. Jeanne

Did I forget to say my Neville's were in Effingham Co, IL?

My earliest Neville is Elisha Neville who died in 1863. He married Eliza Ann Forth (1834-1917) and they had about six children. George W. , Mahala E., John M., William H., and I think Nancy and Orabelle. Eliza remarried and had some more children, so I am not sure who's kids were whose? Barbara

Hi group......."reportedly" John Neville b: 1661 who married Elizabeth Bohannan, had a daughter Elizabeth who I show married to Joseph Bohannan and Thomas Faulkner. This source shows her married to one Francis Hampton b: 1690, Isle of Wight Co., VA, son of Thomas Hampton Jr. and Elizabeth Bridle. There are a ton of issue off two of their sons, Jahn Hampton and Thomas Hampton. Can anyone confirm the marriage of Elizabeth Neville to Francis Hampton or correct me if I am wrong with Elizabeth being married to Joseph Bohannan and Thomas Faulkner? Thanx group...Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group.....there is on Joseph Neville b: abt 1791 in Maryland, who married on 6-13-1815 in East Union, Wayne Co., Ohio Mary (Polly) Buckmaster. Joseph was the son of John Neville and Sarah Richardson who had a ton of Neville issue (as did Joseph and Mary) The group seems to be centered around Wayne Ohio then migrating to Iowa. Any help is appreciated......thanx group!.......Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group......does anyone show one Margaret Plantagenet a child of Richard and Cicely, mother of Kings Richard and Edward. This Mary reportedly married one Thomas Wilkenson in 1469 and had Wilkenson issue.Any help with this couple.......thanx......Ren ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group.......there was one Elizabeth Neville, parents unknown b: abt 1435 in Liversedge, Yorkshire England who married on Thomas Beaumont on 8-8-1456 and had Beaumont issue......can anyone help? Thanxs group..........Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group......there was one James Neville b: abt 1793 who married Elizabeth Hewitt and had a bunch of Neville issure in Legbourn, Lincolnshire, England. One son, John Neville b: 1-1-1821, wife Solome Rowson, came to the US and died 9-21-1889 in Ridgefield Illinois. Another son James came to the US with wife Jane Clark and died in Waconda Illinois and had issue in Illinois. Can anyone connect the early Neville's in England.......? thanx.......Ren ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group........there was a Alexander Neville of Thornton Bridge who married a Catherine de Eure, dau. of Ralph de Eure who sired one William Neville b: abt 1425, who's son William married on Joan Boynton. Their son Ralph Neville of Thornton Bridge evidently married one Ann Ward whos parents were Christopher Ward and Margaret Cascoigne who had one Katherine Neville b: abt 1500. Can anyone tie this in and confirm the parentage.......thanxs........Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group.....there was a William Stiff Neville b: 6-25-1803 who married Rachel Jennings and had James William Neville who came from Bradley, England and migrated to Utah and had a bunch of issue in Utah. Can anyone connect these people......thanxs......Ren ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Hi group.....there was a Thomas Neville b: 1474 who married Lettice Harcourt, both of Warwickshire and had a dau. Ellen Neville b: 1496 who married Kenelm Bucke of Kempsey, Warwickshire. Anyone know of these critters.......thanx.......Ren ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30