At 12:27 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Gabe: >Sorry but I have made no such discovery and I don't recall saying that. >It is merely a possibility. What I may have said is that my Nevills here >in Ontario married into the SECORD (SICARD) family who were of Huguenot >ancestry and whose home when coming to North America was in New Rochelle, >N.Y. as was Dr. Jean Neufvilles. The above mentioned marriage took >place in 1808 which is a long time removed from Dr. John Neufville of New >Rochelle. There is of course a chance that these families were >acquainted back in New Rochelle; it was a small settlement so they >likely were but whether that would be remembered in Ontario more than >100 years later is doubtful. However it is certainly worth exploring the >possibility of our Nevill ancestors in MD being of Huguenot ancestry. > > >Last week I wrote to The Huguenot Society in N.Y. State asking if they >have any information on John Neufville in their files and if so could I >purchase copies. I will post the results if and when I obtain any. > > Paddy _________________________ Paddy, My last post went out before I read your reply. I am interested to hear what you learn about Dr. Jean. In response to Neufvilles in New Rochelle and Nevilles in Cecil Co., MD, here is what I have: According to a correspondent, Dorothy Neville Kimbrell, in 1690 Dr. Jean de Neufville from Tours, France, purchased land in New Rochelle, NY. He had a son John b. 1678. This son John died before 1710, leaving two young sons, Edward and John. The same correspondent indicated that Edward, son of Dr. Jean above, could possibly be the Edward Neville who appeared in Cecil Co., MD, in early 1700s. In Cecil Co., MD, an Edward and Thomas Neville appeared in court records on 28 April 1721. An Edward Neville and his wife Mary of St. Mary Ann Parish, Cecil Co., MD, had issue: William (b. 1719), Thomas (b. 1721), Sara (b. 1727), Joseph (b. 1729), James (b. 1732), and John (b. 1740). Thus far, I have not heard or seen anything which links Edward, son of Jean de Neufville, and Edward Neville of Cecil Co., MD. (This is your line isn't it, Gabe? Would you mind posting your lineage again. I must have joined this list after you did this. The info. I have on this line is from Dorothy Neville Kimbrell.) I will post what I have researched on NY and SC Neufville family since it may connect with information some of the rest of you have. From HISTORY OF HUGUENOT EMIGRATION TO AMERICA by Chas. Baird: John de Neufville, b. ca 1639, in Tours, France. May 3, 1712 will in New Rochelle, New York names wife Rachel le Vilain, native of isle of St. Christopher. Will probated 21 Dec. 1716. Everything was left to widow, so we have a widow Rachel Neufville/Neville in early 1700s. (How's that for muddying the waters, Ren?) New Rochelle, NY 1698 census shows following children with John/Jean and Rachel Neufville: John, age 20; Prudence, age 18; Mary, age 16; Jeanne, age 14; James Peter, age 12; Sehe(?) age 8; Josias, age 7; Rachel, age 6; Martha, age 3. This gives you an idea of who was running around up North with a Neufville surname which was often corrupted to Neuville/Neaville/Neville because the f is silent when the French pronunciation is used. From COLLECTIONS OF THE HUGUENOT SOCIETY OF AMERICA / VOL. I/ REGISTERS OF THE BIRTHS/ MARRIAGES/ AND DEATHS OF THE "ENGLISE FRANCOISE A LA NOUVELLE YORK" FROM 1688 TO 1804, p. 165: Baptesme- Auiourdhuy dimanche 6e de May 1722 aprest las predication du soir monsr. Rou a Baptise' Jean Noviles ne' le 27e darvil dernr. fils de guillaume Noviles et de Susanne son Epouse presente' au St. Baptesme par daniel Beau et Jeane Renaud parrain et Marainne. L: ROU Pasteur. W. NEVILE DANIEL BEAU JEANNE RENAUD [I posted the above exactly as written in source in case my college French paraphase is not close enough to exact translation: English French in New York- On 6 May 1722, Pastor Rou baptized Jean Noviles, born 27 April, son of Willam and Susanne Noviles. Daniel Beau and Jeane Renaud, godfather and godmother. Signed: W. Nevile, Daniel Beau, Jeanne Renaud] From 30,000 NAMES OF IMMIGRANTS IN PENNSYLVANIA by Daniel Rupp, p. 463: "Names of Males at New Rochelle [NY] in 1710" includes John Neffveile, age 69, and Josiah Neffveile, age 18. Neufvilles are also found in early 1700s in area of Charleston, South Carolina. At one time, I thought I had found a link between John Neufville of Charleston in early 1700s and those in New Rochelle, but I have since decided that there is not enough evidence. Notes on migration patterns: During the reign of Louis XIV, persecution of French Protestants, the Huguenots, became acute. In the last fifteen years of the 17th century, thousands of the most talented people of France fled to Switzerland, Holland, and British Isles. A scattering of Huguenots were settling in South Carolina between 1670 and 1680. Around 500 were in Charleston area by 1700, but no large groups arrived until 1732 and again in 1764. Almost on the eve of the Revolution, Huguenot colonists were given land in what is now McCormick County in the rugged up-country of SC. The settlement was named New Bordeaux and was southwest of Abbeville, which was also settled by French. According to one source (which I can't find right now), SC is said to be the first place the Huguenots settled in the colonies. One group of Huguenot settlers arrived in "Manikintown," VA, (on James River) in 1690 and another in 1699. Many of these emigrants moved farther south, settling on the river Trent, a branch of the Neuse, in North Carolina, where a colony was established in 1707. Around 1683, many Huguenots settled in and around Germantown, Pennsylvania. Initial settlements in Frederick Co., MD, occurred around and before 1735. New Rochelle, in Westchester Co., NY, was settled by Huguenots from Rochelle, a seaport-town of France. [They may have come to NY by way of another country sympathetic to the plight of the brutally persecuted Calvinist Huguenots; thus the country of birth for a child born during the time of Huguenot emigration might be listed as England. My note - Jan] (Sources: SOUTH CAROLINA / A HISTORY by Louis B. Wright. MEMORIALS OF THE HUGUENOTS by A. Stapleton. COLLECTIONS OF HUGUENOT SOCIETY, VOL. I - see above.) An interesting side note: In addition to typical French given names such as Robert, Jean/John, Guilluame/William, and Philip, many male Huguenot given names were Biblical, such as Zachariah, Ephraim, Daniel, Josiah, Isaiah, Baranabas, Jacob, Gabriel, and all of the apostles' names. Rachel was also a popular given name for girls (as in New Rochelle). In Joseph Habersham's HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS / VOL. I, p. 222: "182. NEUFVILLE- In Sunday's constitution I read a letter signed by James Neuville in which he stated that the family of Neuville settled in different parts of the states including South Carolina. Elizabeth Neufville (a Huguenot) was the wife of James Moore, second Colonial Governor of South Carolina...There are two sons of the late Frank Neufville living in Atlanta. Their father was raised in Savannah, Georgia. The writer of the letter published had the name spelled in many ways. The name in my family is dated in 1700 Neufville..." 1726-1737: Rebecca Flavell to John Neufville, leases and releases for part of town lot #38 in Charlestown. 1735: John Neuvuill, plat for 700 acres in Berkley County, SC. 1736: John Neufille, land grant for 700 acres in Berkley County, SC. In THE HUGUENOTS OF COLONIAL SOUTH CAROLINA by A. H. Hirsch: Neufville name found in records in 1730s. John Neufville #1 had apparently died before 1753 when the following case appeared in SC court: Jacob Martin, survivor of John Neufville vs. Hugh Cartwright, judgement roll, 1753 (SC Dept. of Archives and History Alaphabetical Index). DAR LINEAGE BOOK, VOL. 159, p. 285: John Neufville (1725-1804) appointed by Provincial Government, 1775, one of committee of three to seize British mail at port of Charleston. John was born in England and died in Charleston, SC. He married in 1746 to Martha Rogers (1728-1779). Thier daughter Christian Neufville (1750-1841) m. John Hyslop. DAR LINEAGE BOOK, VOL. 140, p. 109: [Contradictory information - Jan] John Neufville (1727-1804), intercepter of important dispatches; b. and d. in South Carolina; married Elizabeth Moore (1730-1807) in 1749. [Was the above Martha Rogers the first wife? - Jan] Their son: Isaac Neufville (1767-1817) m. 1794 Ann Simons. Son of Isaac and Ann: Benjamin Simons Neufville (1802-1855) m. in 1831 to Harriet Elenor Gray (1807-1893). Son of Benj. and Harriet: Benjamin Kohne Neufville (1834-1904) m. Julia Torr (1835-1877). SC WILLS, VOL. 29, p. 717 & 718 (SC Dept. of Archive and History, Columbia, SC): John Neufville of Charleston, SC, names wife Elizabeth, and sons John Neufville, Edward Neufville, Peter Marshall Neufville, Isaac Neufville, and dau. Elizabeth Neufville [witnesses not listed on copy I have - Jan]. Proved on 9 Nov. 1804. (Will Book 1800-1807, Book D, p. 501) South Carolina, District of Charleston, Ordinarys Office, July 13, 1834: "I certify that satisfactory evidence was adduced(?) to me to prove that Eliza Kohne - widow - a sister of the deceased - John - William - and Benjamin Neufville, sons of the late Isaac Neufville - a brother of the Deceased - are the Representatives and the only heirs at law in fee(?) to Dr. Willm. Neufville who was a Surgeon in the South Carolina Line under the commanding Officers in the same- Given under my hand and Seal of Office, this thirteenth day of July 1834. Thomas Lehre Junr. Ordinary Charleston District [This came from the folder of Revolutionary War service of William Neufville, I think - Jan] _____________________________

Glen and Jeanne, Thanks for the information. Jan At 10:41 AM 8/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Glenn: > > I've heard from another list user that a guy named Chris Shaw, >operating as GenForum, is spamming all surname lists to corrupt them, >after he has added all the addresses to his own site - evidently in >hopes of forcing people to use his site. Is this the case? Should >everyone here be advised not to open maile from GenForum? > >thanks >Jeanne > >

Gabe or Paddy, Has the Huguenot ancestry for those of Cecil Co., MD, now been established? The last information I had was that a researcher had pointed out that there could be a Huguenot connection, but that a definite link had not been established. I am very interested in the Cecil Co. Nevilles who could possibly have French ancestry. In my family, a tradition related to one of our orginal Neville ancestors is that he was a young man or boy from France who made his way to America but could not speak or write in English. The woman he married spelled the surname the way it sounded. Philip Nevill, who came to Mississippi by way of MD and PA, is probably the direct ancestor or brother of the ancestor of one of my Neville lines in Mississippi. I have a Nevil marrying a Nevels in 1830s in MS. Both were born in MS in early 1800s. Some evidence points to my other Neville line being related to those in Granville/Halifax/Orange Co., North Carolina area. Ironically, there are hints that some of those in NC may have been related to those Nevilles in MD. (The Moses Neville name in MD and NC is one interesting clue, Paddy.) A history of the area around Chapel Hill, NC, points out that many people who settled there were from PA. I am straying from the point here. Has a Huguenot link been found on the Cecil Co., MD Nevilles? Jan ____________ At 10:58 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >This guy came from Tours, France and settled in New York State in about >1689. I understand that he had a son named Edward and also anglicized >his name to John Neville. Does anybody know any more about him? Given >what Paddy's discovered about Nevilles in Cecil Co. MD of Hugonaut >ancestry (who, if I remember right, Paddy, came via New York?), I think >there's a great possibility that Jean deNeufville is Paddy's, Pete's and >my common ancestor. > >Anybody know anything? > >

Paddy, Thanks for the info. Just to clarify: I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. Some of what I posted came from information my great aunt dug out years ago. But didn't you have some information that Moses Neville might have been descended from Huguenots from New York? If not, I apologize for my bad memory! >---------- >From: Paddy Chitty[SMTP:pchitty@hwcn.org] >Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 12:27 PM >To: 'Neville List' >Subject: Re: Jean deNeufville > > >Gabe: > >On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Neville, Gabe wrote: > >> This guy came from Tours, France and settled in New York State in about >> 1689. I understand that he had a son named Edward and also anglicized >> his name to John Neville. Does anybody know any more about him? > >> Given >> what Paddy's discovered about Nevilles in Cecil Co. MD of Hugonaut > >Sorry but I have made no such discovery and I don't recall saying that. >It is merely a possibility. What I may have said is that my Nevills here >in Ontario married into the SECORD (SICARD) family who were of Huguenot >ancestry and whose home when coming to North America was in New Rochelle, >N.Y. as was Dr. Jean Neufvilles. The above mentioned marriage took >place in 1808 which is a long time removed from Dr. John Neufville of New >Rochelle. There is of course a chance that these families were >acquainted back in New Rochelle; it was a small settlement so they >likely were but whether that would be remembered in Ontario more than >100 years later is doubtful. However it is certainly worth exploring the >possibility of our Nevill ancestors in MD being of Huguenot ancestry. > >> ancestry (who, if I remember right, Paddy, came via New York?), I think >> there's a great possibility that Jean deNeufville is Paddy's, Pete's and >> my common ancestor. >> >Last week I wrote to The Huguenot Society in N.Y. State asking if they >have any information on John Neufville in their files and if so could I >purchase copies. I will post the results if and when I obtain any. > > Paddy > >

Jan, Thank you for the explanation. I must have missed the first part of the discussion. Now things make sense. I must admit that you know more about my Neville family in Barren Co. KY than I do! It was one of the many things that was put on the back burner by other commitments and I never got back to it. Also, I have lost the notes file on my Nevilles in PAF so I have to reconstruct it and as rusty as I am on the family, it could take a while. Anyway, if memory doesn't totally fail me, one of my James' brothers was the commander of Fort Pitt and I "think?" he stayed in PA. Also, another possibility for PA Neville families was a James Nevill who was a land agent for William Penn in New Jersey in the 1680's. I have never found any relationship between him and OUR John, but, who knows, back in Eng. anything is possible. I am printing your note and will go over it in greater detail offline. Thanks for all the info though! Sandy

Gabe: On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Neville, Gabe wrote: > This guy came from Tours, France and settled in New York State in about > 1689. I understand that he had a son named Edward and also anglicized > his name to John Neville. Does anybody know any more about him? > Given > what Paddy's discovered about Nevilles in Cecil Co. MD of Hugonaut Sorry but I have made no such discovery and I don't recall saying that. It is merely a possibility. What I may have said is that my Nevills here in Ontario married into the SECORD (SICARD) family who were of Huguenot ancestry and whose home when coming to North America was in New Rochelle, N.Y. as was Dr. Jean Neufvilles. The above mentioned marriage took place in 1808 which is a long time removed from Dr. John Neufville of New Rochelle. There is of course a chance that these families were acquainted back in New Rochelle; it was a small settlement so they likely were but whether that would be remembered in Ontario more than 100 years later is doubtful. However it is certainly worth exploring the possibility of our Nevill ancestors in MD being of Huguenot ancestry. > ancestry (who, if I remember right, Paddy, came via New York?), I think > there's a great possibility that Jean deNeufville is Paddy's, Pete's and > my common ancestor. > Last week I wrote to The Huguenot Society in N.Y. State asking if they have any information on John Neufville in their files and if so could I purchase copies. I will post the results if and when I obtain any. Paddy

-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Glenn: I've heard from another list user that a guy named Chris Shaw, operating as GenForum, is spamming all surname lists to corrupt them, after he has added all the addresses to his own site - evidently in hopes of forcing people to use his site. Is this the case? Should everyone here be advised not to open maile from GenForum? thanks Jeanne

This guy came from Tours, France and settled in New York State in about 1689. I understand that he had a son named Edward and also anglicized his name to John Neville. Does anybody know any more about him? Given what Paddy's discovered about Nevilles in Cecil Co. MD of Hugonaut ancestry (who, if I remember right, Paddy, came via New York?), I think there's a great possibility that Jean deNeufville is Paddy's, Pete's and my common ancestor. Anybody know anything?

Recently, spammers have again attacked Rootsweb by sending unsolicited e-mails to various Rootsweb mailing lists. This has caused many problems for the folks at Rootsweb as well as being an irritant to subscribers. Our mailing list has been put in protective mode in that all postings must be made by subscribed members only. This may affect some folks if you sometimes receive mail at one address but post to the list from another. If this is the case, please let me know. The folks at Rootsweb have a plan in place whereby they could add those addresses for an "ok to post" list. It's a shame we have to go to such extents to avoid these things, but it seems to be the case. If you are not aware of what "spamming" is, you may wish to consult the following website for further information: http://spam.abuse.net/spam/ Please let me know if you have questions regarding this change. Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org

Jean and Ren: Couldn't Mack Neville be a nickname for McCauley Neville? WAS there a McCauley Neville? :) This early Brown Co., TX marriage is interesting. There were not that many Anglos in Tx then. Hardin Neville who was also related to Samuel Parke Nevill was an early Texas Ranger [not sure he was there by 1805, though]. Jean..my printer is in the shop and will still be out of commission for a couple of more weeks. Kathy

Jean.......Lets see, first of all, I have Elizabeth McCauley b: 9-15-1793, d: 3-24-1881, m: 1-14-1810 in Orange Co., NC. Daughter of Matthew McCauley and Martha Johnson. That FGS is interesting but can't maatch the dates. One is evidently wrong, either the one I have or that of Judy Lane. Under the Matthew Neville x Amanda Morgan file I have, they show a child John Neville married to the same ladies you quote below, Ellen Ervin and Martha Johnson. The date I show for Johns birth is 12-5-1852 and Judy Lane shows him married 6-17-1805 back in the era when his parents were born. Take care.........Ren JScarl1070@aol.com wrote: > > Ren, > Was looking over the download you sent of different Nevilles. So far only > found one that I had any info on at all. Don't know if this will help you > but from Brasfield, Brasafield Genealogy,p.651 it looks like I have the same > info on Samuel Parke Neville,b.23 Mar 1790 NC,d.14 Nov 1854 marr Elizabeth > McCauley. I show son Mathew b.5 Jun 1829 marr Tabitha Bowers also. > > Now on the other hand when I was purchasing FGS from different places I came > across this: FGS-Submitter by Judy Neville Lane-1984. (Did not try and > contact with that old of an address guess maybe I should just to see if she > might still be there.) She has on this FGS: > Mack Neville,b.unkn,d.unkn,marr 17 Jun 1805, Brown Co.,TX, Amanda Morgan,b. > unk,d.unkn. Children: > John Neville,b.abt 1863,TX, marr Ellen Ervin, & Martha > Tom Neville > Lucy Neville > Betty Neville > Badger Neville. > > No sources on the sheet. > I wonder if Mack could be a nickname for Matthew? Sorry I really can't tie > Mathew in at this point. > > Do you have any information on Elizabeth McCauley? > > Jean Scarlett -- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Ren, Was looking over the download you sent of different Nevilles. So far only found one that I had any info on at all. Don't know if this will help you but from Brasfield, Brasafield Genealogy,p.651 it looks like I have the same info on Samuel Parke Neville,b.23 Mar 1790 NC,d.14 Nov 1854 marr Elizabeth McCauley. I show son Mathew b.5 Jun 1829 marr Tabitha Bowers also. Now on the other hand when I was purchasing FGS from different places I came across this: FGS-Submitter by Judy Neville Lane-1984. (Did not try and contact with that old of an address guess maybe I should just to see if she might still be there.) She has on this FGS: Mack Neville,b.unkn,d.unkn,marr 17 Jun 1805, Brown Co.,TX, Amanda Morgan,b. unk,d.unkn. Children: John Neville,b.abt 1863,TX, marr Ellen Ervin, & Martha Tom Neville Lucy Neville Betty Neville Badger Neville. No sources on the sheet. I wonder if Mack could be a nickname for Matthew? Sorry I really can't tie Mathew in at this point. Do you have any information on Elizabeth McCauley? Jean Scarlett

My phone lines have been down since 8/2, a.m., may have lost some msgs, will try to catch up during the week. Jeanne Barton

Glenn Gohr, Aol has eaten some of my saved mails. Unfortunately , your snail address and the cost of books was among them! If you could please send the cost list and your address one more time, I would be very grateful. I will be unsubscribed all this week from the list, so just send it to my email address. Ever your grateful friend, missi nussbaum Nmissi@aol.com

Well group, you did pretty good last week, we found some cousins of Pete and Gabe, so lets try these on: SUSANNAH NEVILLE, b: 1-7-1840 in PA, dau. of John Nevel b: 5-12-1798 ?, died 9-13-1882 in Allen Co., OH. and Sagunda Bartholomew; m. Robert Alison in 1860, Allen Co., OH and had Allison issue. Siblings of Susannah are: (1) Jacob Nevel (1832-1869)m. Jenny Miller, (2) Anna Nevel (1835-1914) m. Lebbeus Williams, (3) Rebecca Nevel (1838-1906) m. Samuel Neher and (4) John Nevel Jr. (1845-1916). Can anyone link the father, John Nevel b: 1798. THOMAS ERWIN NEVILLE (1909-1960) m. 1937 in MT, son of John (Jack) Neville and Ethel Clayton Ward; m. Virginia Ruth Kay and have Neville issue. (1) Glen Erwin Neville (2) Roy allen Neville (3) Douglas Ward Neville (4) Alice Faye Neville (5) Frances Ann Neville (6) Patricia Neville. John (Jack) Neville b: 1870 in Rochester Minn. Can you connect? GEORGE NEVILLE m. Quintilly Lyon and had Rebecca J. Neville m. 1875 to William Wilmoth and had Wilmoth issue. Any one identify this George? JOHN NEVILLE b: 1868 ? married ? and had issue: (1) Bertie Neville b: 1888, m. Wes Shephhard in Okmulgee Co., OK. (2) Nora Neville b: 1890 m. 1911 in Canute Washita Co., OK. to Raymond Hardy. (3) William Neville b: 1894 (4) Dora Edna Neville (1896-1958) m. 1936 in Gilroy CA to Forrest Clinton Hardy. Any thoughts on these critters...... JAMES NEVILLE b: Salem Co., NJ m. Phebe______ and had (1) Rebecca Neville b: 1782, m. 1803 to George Mowers and had Mowers issue (2) Susannah Neville b: Salem Co., NJ m. William Morrison. Any thoughts? ELLEN NEVILLE b: 1822 in Louisana, dau. of Thomas Neville and Jane McHugh, m. William Shaw Jr. who had Shaw issue, then to Borkskey, then to Weyant. WILLIAM DUNCAN NEVILLE b: 1910, Chapel Hill NC m. Maude Wilderson Dunn and had William Duncan Neville Jr. Can anyone tie this into the Chapel Hill group....... JOHN HENRY NEVILLE b: abt 1825, perhaps VA, m. Elizabeth Turner and had (1) William Neville (2) John Neville, (3) Mariah Neville m. J. Bucanan (4) Elizabeth Neville and (5) Joseph Neville (1842-1920) b: in New York State, m. 1869 Margaret Jane Barnes in NYC and had issue: (1) Elizabeth Ann Neville b: 1870 m. William Sullivan (2) William Neville (1872-1931) (3) George Henry Neville (1872-1984) (4) Joseph Thomas Neville (1879-1943) m. the Deery girls, Margaret and Katherine (5) Mary Neville b 1894 m. Dennis Cowhig. All births in NY and around Staten Isl. Looking for parents and links of John Henry and Elizabeth Turner. HENRY HARRY NEVILLE (1848-1915) m. Mary Belle Stinson (1860-1900) and had Neville issue: (1) Roxie m. Emory Cutshall (2) Henry (3) Sherman (4) (5) Sarah b: 1877 m. Lawrence Fisher (6) William Frank (1880-1930) m. Lottie Editha Yon (6) John Hamilton b: 1883 m. Catherine Showalter and Catherine Masemore etc for 7, 8 and 9., with issue. Looks like they were from around Huntingdon Co., PA.....any help? GEORGE WASHINGTON NEVILLE (1856-1923) m. Harriet Courtland Martin and had Presley Neville (1882-1951) m. Georgia "kitty" Mitchell with issue Oren Presley and Aubrey Mitchell. Here's that Presley name again! MATHEW NEVILLE b; abt 1929 m. Amanda Morgan (1830-1905) probably in Orange Co., NC, son of Samuel Parke Neville and Elizabeth McCauley with issue (1) John M. Neville (1852-1934) m. Ellen Ervine and Martha Johnson (Texas) (2) Lucy Neville b: TX? (3) Ruben Thomas Neville (1858-1895) Bastrop Co., TX (4) Bettie (1862-1921) m. Sam Mc Kay. I show Mathew Neville son of Samuel and Elizabeth m. to Tabitha Bowers with no issue. Can you confirm the Amanda Morgan marriage and issue? Just trying to clean up my "pile".......take care! Ren ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

If there was someone on this list looking for Tignal Jones, go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncnortha/wills/wills1.htm Kathy

Glenn, I don't suppose you know anything about Mary Elliott who was the step- mother of Joseph Neville in Fauquier Co VA. I just happen to have some Elliott's there. Do any of your books have a Neville family in Alabama? (Elisha Neville b. abt 1827) Barbara

Glenn: thanks for the repost on the book, etc. I'll put a check in the mail in the a.m. I really appreciate you making these sources available, I know its no small thing to do the copying and mailing. Jeanne

Sandy Do you have info on the Roberts? I am having a time. My grandmother was Edna Claire Roberts b 1888 Her parents were Moses Isaac Roberts b 1852 and Lucretia McClung b 1854, His parents were John William Roberts b 1822 and Julia Florence Tate b 1825 I loose John and Julia after 1860 in New Albany, Floyd Co., Ind. Census. I have an uncomfirmed birth and death on John. He was to have died in Little Rock in 4 Nov 1873. I can not find an obt or burial for either one yet. I found a great book for Southern Indiana and Kentucky info. Genealogy Newpaper Collumns of Robert E. Turman--early family histories from Gibson, Harrison, Knox, Montgomer, Perry, Pike, Posey, Sullivan, Washington, Vanderburgh and surrounding counties in Indiana, and including Illinois, Kentucky and Tennessee and paths of Migration to these general areas. edited by Bettie annd Cummings Cook Printed by Tri-state Genealogical Society c/o Willard Library, 21 First Ave., Evansville, Ind 47708 Printed & Bound by Evansville Bindery Inc Secone Printing 1987 Do you know your Sarah Roberts parents?? I think Rev Baker is the one who married several of my ancestors--performed the weddings. I would love to share data--I am still typing into my ged com so there is no hurry. Claire Abel reply to at claireabel@juno.com

Jeanne Barton (& all), What a nice round of questions concerning John Neville of the Ark and Dove and his son John and the other items you mentioned. They show a great clarity of thought. And yes, all of these things do need to be answered and straightened out by using documentation. Much of Joseph Nevilles info. and that of Blakemore and others is based on William F. Boogher's work which does not seem to document the items presented. At least some of the early information seems to be conjecture rather than positively proven. Joseph Neville never took into account for the other Nevilles in Isle of Wight Co., VA who lived so near the other early Nevilles who claim descent from John of the Ark and Dove. It would be wonderful if we could find a definite connection of some sort. For my own line, prior to Joseph Neville, Sr. (b. ca. 1707, d. aft. 1790) I have no documentary proof--only what has been reported by Joseph B. Neville in his 2 books and in the Soc. JND newsletters. I do have proof back to Joseph Neville, Sr. as I have submitted his name as one of my Revolutionary War patriots for the Sons of the American Revolution. Joseph Neville, Sr.'s patriot status has also been acknowledged by the Daughters of the Am. Revolution. But only 2 of his children have been proven to the satisfaction of DAR--my Mary (Neville) Dodson and George Neville who was granted land by Joseph on the head of Cedar Run in Fauquier County in 1762. I also note that in the 370-Yr History, p. 16 is mention of a letter written by Joseph Neville, Jr. (who married Agness Nancy Brown) which mentions "My step mother I expect will not hold out many days." That letter along with other references might provide enough supporting evidence to show that Joseph Neville, Jr. is a son of Joseph, Sr. and thus be acceptable for SAR and DAR. *Note: The stepmother was Mary Elliott whom Joseph Sr. married in Fauquier Co. on 20 Dec. 1777. I do appreciate your input, Jeanne, and I'm sure the others do as well. Maybe we will get some more answers as time progresses. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org