Here are some items from Pulaski Co. KY. Sandy NEVILLE - PULASKI CO. KY PULASKI COUNTY MARRIAGE RECORDS BOOK I, 1799-1850 - Pulaski Co. Historical Soc. 22 Aug. 1821 Archer NEVIL & Nancy Dollarhide. David Sparks, surety. 22 Jan. 1820 Urias Ashley & Patsy NEVIL. Consent, John Ashley, groom's father (Adair Co.) & Patsy Mease, bride's mother. 19 Aug. 1813 Wm. Barrow & Cyntha NEVIL. Richard Cook, surety. Pres. Thos. Hill. 25 Feb. 1811 Wm. S. Hammonds & Anna NEVILL. Stephen Sayers, surety. Enoch NEVILL, bride's father. 26 Feb. 1811 Jacob Meece & Anna NEVILL. Geo. Meece & Jas. Keeney, surety. Thos. Meece, groom's father. Thos. Hill, pres. PULASKI COUNTY, KENTUCKY 1799-1800 TAXPAYERS, 1810-20-30-40 CENSUS - Pulaski Co. Historical Soc. 1810 Knox NAVAL 1m -10 5f -10 1m 10-16 2f 10-16 1m 16-26 1f 16-26 1820, 1830, 1840 none.

Recently I submitted my line to John Nevill, the original immigrant, through James Nevill and expressed some confidence about that lineage, Gabe responded with a brief note not be TOO sure about James. He indicated that there were others in the group "well versed in the whys and why nots". Gabe raised the only argument I have heard which is that, although Boogher showed James in his 1902 very first genealogy of the Neville family, other respected genealogist like H.W. Newman did not. The only work I know about by Newman was his "The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate" in 1984, in which he devoted 7 pages to John and his children. In it Newman observes that John's last will, probated 1665, identified only one son, William, one daughter, Ellen Lambert, and one grandson, John Lambert. He mentioned that William may have married late in life, and that there was also a court record of a Thomas Nevill who may or may not have been William's son. Newman positively identified no male descendant of John in this work. He did find another daughter, Rachael, who was not shown in his will. By his will, John left his son William the plantation on which he (John) lived. The will also mentions a separate deed of gift to his wife Joanna. We know John had several plantations and more children (at least Rachael) than were shown in the will -- probably because they had been provided for earlier. I do not see anything in Newman's writing that precludes the existance of another son, James. In fact, Newman leaves with no Nevill ancestor at all that explains where any of us came from -- unless he had other writings of which I am not aware. On the other hand, Boogher states: "James Neville, first of John and Bridget, born in 1640, at the Clefts in Calveert Co., MD; settled in Northampton Co. VA in 1660-1, where on March 22, 1662, he obtrained a warrant for 1300 acres of land (See Liber 4, Folio 339, Land Office of Richmond, VA) and where he doubtless married; settling later in Isle of Wight County. On March 6, 1674, James Neville, Sr., purchased 100 acres of land in Gloucester County, VA, in the name of his son Joh, then a minor, from Duncan Bohannan, formerly of Charles County, MD. It would appear from the records that the said 100 acres of land were deeded by Bohannan in settlement of the suit brought by his father, John Neville, Sr., against the said Duncan Bohannan, in Charles County, MD,in 1662. (See Liber 6, folio 549, Land Office, Richmond, VA)." This statement was quoted in footnote 1 to page 6 of J.B. Neville's "370-year History." I'll admit I did not look up those specific land transactions and the Bohanon suit to see if I would come to the same conclusion as Boogher did regarding the relationships between John Nevill, Sr., James and grandson John. Until somebody does make that analysis and comes to a different conculusion it seems to me we have to accept Boogher's findings. Joseph B. Nevill seems to indicate that he did look at this evidence and concurred with Boogher's findings. I think that this is a very important question of fact that will affect the work of probably a majority of the people in this group. I hope it will stimulate a discussion of the pros and cons of the validity of the descent from John to James. If we are to establish a state of the art Neville Database, we will have to make decisions, hopefully with full group participation, about questions like this. Do we include James in the descent, or not? If not, how does the descent run? Could it be we are descended from James, but not the original John? Maybe we include James (or John) with some kind of a label to indicate only qualified acceptance, such as "probably" or whatever. I realize there may be a lot more to the question than what little I know about it, so I would really appreciate hearing from any and all of you who may have other pieces of information to help us/me reach a firm conclusion. Jim Walker

Ren- Thanks for your reply on my objections to calling all our ancestors "Neville" when many of them, maybe even most, used different spellings. I can't argue with your very good reasoning when it comes to search and filing of Neville/Nevill/Nevil, Neavil, etc. records. It would be a nightmare. Since it seems that Boogher, Joseph B. Neville, and other modern history writers have already made that choice for us -- Neville. I guess I would have to settle for a separate field somewhere in that Neville record to keep the spelling that was actually used in recording real estate transactions, marriage licenses, court records, death records, etc. for individual family members (if known). I am sure many such records are not found just because we looked for them under the wrong spelling. That is not a perfect solution either, but at least it would give the researcher the most likely alternate spelling to be used when searching official records. Jim Walker

From: walkerjg@juno.com (James G. Walker) Received: from m25.boston.juno.com (m25.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.65]) by x3.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id BAAAA23079 for <walkerjg@juno.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by m25.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id BAAAA00738; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29285; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-path: <NEVILLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Resent-From: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Sender: NEVILLE-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-Message-ID: <"L_BEuC.A.dJH.4omA0"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Reply-To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com J.P. (Jeanne I believe) We must be reading different British histories: "A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfieted and Extinct Peerages", published 1883 by Sir Bernard Burke, lists the various holders of Nevill titles and estates: These lists cover all the Barons of Raby and the Earls of Westmorland, the Barons Nevill of Essex, Furnival, Latimer, Fauconberg, Montagu, Northumberland, Salisbury, Warrick, Montacute, and Monthermer. All of thes lines ended up in forfeited titles and estates -- including those of Richard the Kingmaker, Ralf Nevill, and the Nevill Plantagenet lines you referred to. Every one a Nevill, no ending "e"s in the whole lot, according to this source. Another old source, "Account of the Noble Family of NEVILL, Particularly of the House of Abergavenny, with some Account of the Illustrious Family of the Beauchamp and others, through whom it Descended to the Present EARL OF ABERGAVENNY", by Daniel Rowland, Esq. London, 1830, throws in a springling of Nevilles, but still refer to the English Nevills, in aggregate, as The House of Nevill. Richard, the Kingmaker, and his father, the Earl of Salisbury, were both shown as Nevills. I must admit that the later history books tend to treat everybody equally -- adding an "e" to all those fine old House of Nevill names. Boogher must have started it. He called all the Americans, Nevilles, regardless. The other American genealogists seem to have followed suit. Joseph B Neville and SoJund also elected call everybody Neville in his narations, I think because that was how his own family spelled it. However, when setting down the genealogical records of the first four generations, he used the spellings as he found them in the early records. The original immigrant was John Nevill, all of the second generation children were Nevills. In the 3rd generation, there was one Neavill, one Nevil, one Neville, and six Nevills. In the fifth generation, Joseph B. Neville decided to standardize on Neville for all nine children of Joseph Nevill, Sr. However, that is not how my own ancestor, Joseph Nevill, Jr., spelled his name. He did not use the "e" and none of his children did either. Some of Joseph's letters have survived and he signed them "Nevill." When my ancestor Jones Green sued the heirs of Joseph Nevill to clear the title on some property he had bought from the General, the court records show all of Joseph's children as Nevills. Jones Green's wife was Mary Nevill. I do know that General John Neville, Joseph's brother, always used the "e", and so did his children. Still I see constant references to John Neville, the original immigrant, or General Joseph Neville. I don't understand why they do that. To me, it is a clearly a case of the bastardation of language over time. It is still the House of Nevill, no matter how far some individuals have strayed from the true name. In fact, even when they themselves did not stray, the modern historians are doing what they have become very good at, rewriting history to suit themselves. Nevills of the world arise!!!! Jim Walker

J.P. (Jeanne I believe) We must be reading different British histories: "A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfieted and Extinct Peerages", published 1883 by Sir Bernard Burke, lists the various holders of Nevill titles and estates: These lists cover all the Barons of Raby and the Earls of Westmorland, the Barons Nevill of Essex, Furnival, Latimer, Fauconberg, Montagu, Northumberland, Salisbury, Warrick, Montacute, and Monthermer. All of thes lines ended up in forfeited titles and estates -- including those of Richard the Kingmaker, Ralf Nevill, and the Nevill Plantagenet lines you referred to. Every one a Nevill, no ending "e"s in the whole lot, according to this source. Another old source, "Account of the Noble Family of NEVILL, Particularly of the House of Abergavenny, with some Account of the Illustrious Family of the Beauchamp and others, through whom it Descended to the Present EARL OF ABERGAVENNY", by Daniel Rowland, Esq. London, 1830, throws in a springling of Nevilles, but still refer to the English Nevills, in aggregate, as The House of Nevill. Richard, the Kingmaker, and his father, the Earl of Salisbury, were both shown as Nevills. I must admit that the later history books tend to treat everybody equally -- adding an "e" to all those fine old House of Nevill names. Joseph B Neville and SoJund elected call everybody Neville in his narations, I think because that was how his own family spelled. However, when setting down the genealogical records of the first four generations, he used the spellings as he found them in the early records. The original immigrant was John Nevill, all of the second generation children were Nevills. In the 3rd generation, there was one Neavill, one Nevil, one Neville, and six Nevills. In the fifth generation, most children followed their parents spelling. In the fifth generation, Joseph B. Neville decided to standardize on Neville for all nine children of Joseph Nevill, Sr. However, that is not how my own ancestor, Joseph Nevill, Jr., spelled his name. He did not use the "e" and none of his children did either. Some of Joseph's letters have survived and he signed them "Nevill." When my ancestor Jones Green sued the heirs of Joseph Nevill to clear the title on some property he had bought from the General, the court records show all of Joseph's children as Nevills. Jones Green's wife was Mary Nevill. I do know that General John Neville, Joseph's brother, always used the "e", and so did his children. Still I see constant references to General Joseph Neville, even in other genealogy books.. To me, it is a clearly a case of the bastardation of language over time. It is still the House of Nevill, no matter how far some individuals have strayed from the true name. In fact, even when they themselves did not stray, the modern historians are doing what they have become very good at, rewriting history to suit themselves. Nevills arise!!!! Jim Walker

Put me down in strong favor of doing this. I am delighted at the willingness of many experienced people to volunteer their services -- also the inexperienced, but eager, other volunteers. To me, the only point in having such a group should be to create a Neville data base that will attempt to answer all the ambiguities and doubtful facts that plague all of us in our research. The discussion group should provide a forum for testing all research for validity so that the resulting data base represents the best interpretations of the facts that available data from all sources permits. Not that every individual can't do what he damn well pleases in his (or her) own work. They at least would have the collective best thinking and experience of the group to draw on. I think this means that the manager will have to try to reach concensus, as George B. Neville of SoJUND used to do as to what is the group's best thinking at any given time. We need always to be open to change, however, as new evidence may indicate, so the data base is never "set in stone." Where there are unresolved differences in the data, these need to be acknowledge and kept in the forfront so that other researchers are aware of the problems and can look for solutions. Managing such a database is a real responsibility, and requires a dedicated group of very experienced researchers "who know where all the bodies are buried" who are willing help the manager successfully resolve conflicts. This is serious, even scholarly work, not just casual conversation. Never-the-less, I hope we can find someone who really wants to do this job and can fill George B. Nevilles old shoes. He would be delighted, and I am not volunteering, because I do not feel qualified. I do believe in the project, however. Jim Walker PS Why does the group insist on putting the "e" on the end of Nevill. I know that seems to be the prevailing American way of spelling the name, and it has been spelled every which way, my research of English and Colonial American History indicates that most Nevills did not use the "e". The big challenge is our English roots, and those were overwhelmingly Nevill roots. How about naming this new creation, the Nevill Heritage Society? That's were our real heritage lies. Cheers

Barbara.....I was the one who made the inquiry about this George Washing ton Neville. I have a "pile" of misplaced "Neville's" and he was just a blurb in a genealogy most probably of Harriet Courtland Martin. I do not know who his parents were, all the info I had on him was that he was born somewhere in 1856 and died somewhere in 1923, having a son Presley b: somewhere in 1882, d: somewhere in 1951 who married Georgia Kitty Mitchell and had Oren and Aubrey. I show Oren Presley Neville married to Catherine Brodein and Aubrey Mitchell Neville married to Helen Schlusser, Oren and Catherine having one Duane Neville m. Maryann unknown. As I mentioned above, this is most probably part of the Martin line. I am curious in that in my line I have many Presleys. The name has been passed down through the years from Presley Neville (Rev War) type of Ohio and PA, the last one being my uncle, Presley Morgan Neville or which there are two or three of in my tree. I also show a George Washington married to a Milinda Corum and a George Washington married to a Rachael Killebrew, but this George threw me. Presely pops up here and there in the line from William Neville I believe. To my knowledge there was never a Presley Neville in England, this is an American type name and I think my ancestor Presley Neville, son of John Neville and Winifred Oldham, could have been the first Presley, maybe not, would have to check on Johns nephews......Anyway, why don't you post what you have on your line and perhaps it might offer a clue to some of our super slewths in the group. Perhaps the door is open a tad more now that we know Geroge's father was Elisha Neville. I'll get into the "pile" and see what I can come up with. Various Elisha Nevilles have been kicked around with the group.....does this sound familiar anyone? Take care ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

Under the John Neville: b 1612 group, there is a Jesse Neville son of William Neville and Winifred Oldham. I have always had his wife as "Mary McCarter" however in a not too polite letter from one Della Morgan who wants to be left alone since she was only interested in the Neville's to get into DAR, she shows his wife as "Margaret Lynch". I've never picked up "Margaret Lynch" but what else is new. I attach all of Jesse's children to Mary McCarter. Can anyone confirm or deny "Margaret Lynch" and if they have issue, provide said info. Thanx ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

I just got back from a two week vacation, so it was hard to try to follow all of the notes. There was one note from somebody about a George Washington Neville married to a Harriet Cortland Martin and having child Presley Neville who married Georgia "kitty" Mitchell. And their son Oren Presley Neville. Anyway these are mine! George W. Neville 1856-1923 and Harriet C. Martin 1856-1926 had two children: Presley Neville and Edna May Neville. Edna was my grandmother, although she died young. They were in Effingham Co, IL. Anyway, can anyone steer me toward where they got the info on these Neville's or anyone else with this line or other Neville's in this part of IL?. George W. Neville's father was Elisha Neville and mother Eliza Ann Forth. My dad said there was another Neville family in Watson, Effingham Co, IL that was not related, at least not that he knew of? The note I saw implied there were other "Presley" names around. From what I heard mine were from Alabama? But all I know for sure is the ones in IL. and their descendants. Barbara

-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Gene: I'm sharing your reply with the Bohannon & Neville groups. I'm sure others will be interested. I'm familar with the Calmes-Neville marriage , and look forward to seeing more of your line. I know of course, of the Neville-Calmes connection, but do not recall Calmes-Bohannon. That should prove interesting. ;----- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Friday, 15-Aug-97 04:29 PM From: Gene Cox \ Internet: (genecox@bluebon.net) To: JP Barton \ PRODIGY: (ELXC78A) Subject: Bohannon My line is thru Lucy, younger sister of your Mary, from Geo Neville-Mary Gibbs. Lucy married Wm. W. Calmes and they are the ancestors of all the Calmes line. I publish "Calmes Notes" the organ of "The Genealogical Society of Versailles", named after town founded by Gen. Marquis Calmes, amongst others. I have some Bohannon data, but with holes. At least 2 Calmes married Bohannons, so that line is in the Neville-Calmes line. A Bohannon cousin called last nite and is sending me what she has on the Bo line. After I digest that data, I will get back with you. I have over 7 T Calmes in my data bank and thus far have avoided going too far afield as the Calmes clan was rather prolific and it is a job just trying to keep up with them. Will contact later. Gene ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------

-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Another fellow I can't i.d.: Roger Neale, 200a. in Brusnwick Co., 1 Mar 1743, for import and transportation of four persons, including John Nevills. I noticed a couple of you have an "s" on your Nevill - is this a totally different line? this item from the Magazine of VA Genealogy, May 1989. Jeanne

-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Anyone know where this fellow fits in? Darcy Nevile of Hampton Parish, York co., 23 Aug 1687, deed to Nathaniel Bacon Esq. [hope you all know who Nat Bacon is] Darcy Nevyle, estate mentioned court records 24 Jan 1687/8 [he was still alive 24 Nov 1687 4 Apr 1687 attachment agst est of Darcy Nevyle source - York Co VA Deeds, Orders, Wills 1687-91 - Dorman

Regarding Mark Neville's posting of Aug. 13 re: above subject. Hi Mark: I am located in Ontario and am a descendant of Moses NEVILL of Harford, MD. I am familiar with the name Katheryn Green but have never met or spoken to her or read her book. I am in possession of a letter she wrote to my cousin in June of 1986 concerning my ancestor Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses. I have a lot of material on James' family in Ontario as I have spent over a year untangling it from my own Nevill line. I was contacted by a lady in Florida who is a descendant of Thomas James NEVILLS and Nancy HOSHAL. She was convinced my ancestor Thomas was her ancestor as they both settled in the same area. I spent a lot of time bantering back and forth with her; she eventually found the proof she needed by way of a family Bible entry which proved once and for all that my ancestor Thomas was not hers. Anyway, all was not lost as we became friends in the process of exchanging information on our respective families and had a lot of fun along the way. She is a descendant of James NEVILLS and Eve DeShired and I'm sure would be delighted to hear from you. Perhaps the two of you could join forces and track down James of N.J. If you would like to send my your address and telephone number I will pass it on to her by phone this weekend. She does not have a computer and usually makes her initial contacts by telephone that is why I asked for your phone number. I have no information earlier than James as he does not concern me at present. It may turn out that these families are connected further back but at the moment there is no reason to think so. The quote you gave from Mrs. Green's genealogy about James Nevills escaping from his family to Ontario is interesting. If he is the James NEVILL of Sussex Co. N.J. who had a character certificate given by his neighbours: Stephen and Hugh Hegerty, and John Pettit and endorsed by Nathaniel Pettit on March 17, 1787 which states: "The subscribers have been acquainted with James NEVILL eleven years and above and his conduct and behavior have proved him to be as good a friend to Government as any man could be. As his friends have moved to Niagara, his inclination is to be under a good government......." [source: Ontario Register Vol. 3, pg. 2] his supporters don't paint a picture of a man running in the dead of night from some sort of family persecution but rather a man wanting to be with his friends and get himself some free land in the bargain. He does not appear on any U.E.L. lists so likely did not bear arms for the British forces during the Rev. War. I have not studied any other petitions for James so it is possible that he made another statement in another petition. Does Mrs. Green give any source for her statement? I'm just curious. You mentioned a statement that James NEVILLS was "an Irish NEVILLE" The only reference I have seen regarding his being of Irish ancestry comes from `Biographical Sketches' in a sketch on Robert Misener in Louis Blake Duff's History of Welland County pg. 439: "Our subject married February 7th, 1843, Sarah a daughter of Andrew and Agnes (Nevills) Ostrander, both born in Canada, and grand-daughter of James and Eve (De Shired) Nevills, the former of Irish and the latter of German descent...." I am also curious about when your family name took on the Neville spelling and which s/o James NEVILLS of Stamford is your ancestor. There was another James NEVILLES in ON. who also had a wife Elizabeth (Mann). This man is known as Major James and lived in Yarmouth Twp., Elgin County, ON. and was born c1787. I have never been able to connect him to either my Nevill family or to James Nevills of Stamford. The Neville list is wonderful and there are some very helpful people here. I am sure that you will enjoy it and get as much from it as I do. I will follow your posting and any answers you get with great interest. Paddy

Hi, my name is Jim Walker and I am a new member of the group. While I know there are some questions about our lineage as stated by Joseph B. Neville in his books and SoJUND letter, I am satisfied with the descent unless anyone has solid information to make me change my mind -- don't everybody jump on me at once. My linkage is short -- John, the original immigrant, James, John, Joseph Sr., Joseph Jr., and his daughter Mary who married my ancestor, Jones Green. After that it was Jones Green Jr., Joseph Nevil Green and his daughter Mary Ellen Green who married my great-grand father, Samuel Allen Guiberson. My grandfather was Lorrain Parr Guiberson and his daughter was my mother Romana Lorraine Guiberson who married my father, James Harmon Walker. As you can see, I came kind of "cross-lots" from the Nevills -- maternal all the way. I can supply more detail if anyone is interested. I realize no one knows at this time who the parents were of the immigrant John. I have been delving mightily into English history and genealogy looking for a clue. So far, nothing spectacular, but a few ideas that could possibly be productive. Are there any successes out there on our English ancestors? Are there any English participants in this group? I am looking forward to participating in these discussions and exchanging whatever information I might have that would be of interest to any of you. At the moment I only have E-mail, no internet access, but hope to change that soon. Jim in Laguna Hills CA (714-583-9108 voice only).

From information gathered by Katheryn M. Green and published by her in 1987 in Jackson Michigan, USA, I find that I am decended from a James Nevills (D March 1,1811) and his wife Eve De-Shired (D 1828?). In her publication, entitled "A Nevills Genealogy", I find that he lived in Canada. It suggests that moved to Ontario "from their home in Sussex County, New Jersey in the middle of the night because he was escaping from his family." On page 18, she indicates that "in 1787 they left the town of Newton in Sussex County, New Jersey, U.S.A. and traveled to Ontario Canada with four children". While there is quite a bit of information about James and his decendents, there is little information about how he came to live in New Jersey. There is one statement that says that he was originally an "Irish Neville". Does anyone have any information further back such as what family he was escaping from and where they were originally from? Mark Neville

Made the corrections. I wonder if DAR John isn't the son of the other? Gabe >---------- >From: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net[SMTP:jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net] >Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 12:35 AM >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Updated Founders List 2 > >At 11:47 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Founders of Neville Lines in America >>A list of pre-1750 immigrants surnamed "Neville" or variant combined >>with ancestral Neville surnames for whom no father has been identified. >>Includes Email addresses for descendants when known. >>List Maintained by Gabe Neville: gabe.neville@mail.house.gov >>Updated: > > >Gabe, thank you for keeping up with and posting the founder's list. On John >Neufville below, I have one correction. He was Huguenot, but I do not know >that he was born in France. You might want to put a question mark after >that. The DAR John Neufville(1727-1804) was born in England, according to >one DAR lineage chart, and in SC in another DAR lineage chart. > > >>John Neufville (? - <1753) >>France > Berkely Co., SC >>In Berkely Co., SC by 1730s >> Jan Faulk: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net >>[The Huguenots of South Carolina by A. H. Hirsch] > > > > >

Jan, Thanks very much! I think I'll limit my search to the NY Neufvilles for now, as they seem the most likely. I'll call up your July emails, I wasn't really paying attention to the list then. Gabe >---------- >From: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net[SMTP:jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net] >Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 12:35 AM >To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: Jean deNeufville > >At 10:16 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Jan: >> >>Items: Do you have any evidence of any SC Nevilles moving to MD? I'd >>like to eliminate them right away, unless you think there's a reason not >>to. > >Gabe, > >I have no evidence of SC Nevilles moving to MD. I gave the information >about the Neufvilles of SC along with the information of the Neufvilles in >NY because I thought someone else might see a connection or have helpful >information. In reading backgroud information on the Huguenots, I have >found that branches of one family might live in different areas of the >colonies, particularly along the coast. There is an Edward Neufville in the >SC Neufville group who began appearing in records in 1750s along with John >and William. In a SC Dept. of Archives index I have, it appears that a John >and Edward Neufville were in business or a partnership with a William >Anderson as they are styled "Messrs. Neufvilles and Anderson" (quotations >are mine). > >You can probably find out much more about the Neufville family in SC by >writing to the Huguenot Society. They were very prominent in the affairs of >Charleston, SC. I suspect the same society would know if there is a proven >link between the Neufville families of NY and SC. I don't know if such >information would help you in your search, but it's worth a try. > >>Please clarify: it was Edward's father who was the doctor, right? Not >>the original immigrant? Do we have any idea what kind of Doctor? > >Edward's father was not Dr. Jean de Neufville. See below. Dr. Jean de >Neufville's son John was Edward's father, according to Dorothy Kimbrell. >Edward would have been the grandson of Dr. Jean de Neufville. I don't know >what kind of doctor he was, but medical doctor is a good possibility since >academic titles would most likely have been used in academic circles, not on >census records. (A member of the SC Neufville group, Dr. Benjamin Nevill >performed services as a medical doctor during the Rev. War.) > >(Jan) My earlier post on above subject: >>>>According to a correspondent, Dorothy Neville Kimbrell, in 1690 Dr. Jean >>>>de >>>Neufville from Tours, France, purchased land in New Rochelle, NY. He had a >>>son John b. 1678. This son John died before 1710, leaving two young sons, >>>Edward and John. >>> >>>The same correspondent indicated that Edward, son of Dr. Jean above, could >>>possibly be the Edward Neville who appeared in Cecil Co., MD, in early >>>1700s. > > >Gabe, did you see the North Carolina references I posted earlier this >summer? In them are a Moses, Jacob, and James Neville who are in 1750 >Beaufort Co., NC records. Paddy and I discussed Moses of NC, and she thinks >Moses in NC would seem to be too old to be her Moses Neville who left >Harford Co., MD, after the Rev. War. Beaufort Co. is right up the coast from >Charleston, SC, so I guess there is a possibility the Moses Neville of NC >could have been part of the Neufville family in SC. (Those given names of >Joshua and Moses are certainly like the Biblical given names of other >Huguenots.) Moses could also be a migrating part of the Harford Co., MD, >group since Moses was a family name in that group. I am just throwing out >ideas here to help you see how I think there could be some areas for >research. > > >> >>My brother Pete is going to post our line again, as he has worked out a >>detailed version. He promised he'd post it today. >> >>I've added John Neufville (d. before 1753, Berkely Co., SC) to the >>Founders list. He's the right guy in that line, right? > >The John Neufville who apparently died before 1753 in SC is the earliest >person with that surname who is found on the South Carolina Dept. of >Archives and History index. (I am not sure the index is comprehensive.) >Also in Charleston was John Neufville (1725-1804) who was a Rev. War patriot >and whose lineage is in DAR records (I listed what I have on him in my last >post on this subject.) > >> >>Thanks again, let me know if you have any other thoughts! > >You might want to check the SC Dept. of Archives and History website to see >if they have their computerized index on-line. If not, I will be glad to >send you a copy of mine by snail so you can see the Neufville references in >SC. > >You might also contact Mary Bondurant Warren who publishes FAMILY PUZZLERS >in Georgia. She has done much work on the Huguenots of SC and GA. She is >very aware of Huguenot migration patterns in this country and in Europe and >may have information about the Neufvilles, some of whom migrated to GA. >The address is Heritage Papers, 170 Windsor Ct., Athens, GA 30606. She may >also >have a website. > >Hope this helps. > >Jan > > >

At 12:35 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 11:47 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Founders of Neville Lines in America >>A list of pre-1750 immigrants surnamed "Neville" or variant combined >>with ancestral Neville surnames for whom no father has been identified. >>Includes Email addresses for descendants when known. >>List Maintained by Gabe Neville: gabe.neville@mail.house.gov >>Updated: > > >Gabe, thank you for keeping up with and posting the founder's list. On John >Neufville below, I have one correction. He was Huguenot, but I do not know >that he was born in France. You might want to put a question mark after >that. The DAR John Neufville(1727-1804) was born in England, according to >one DAR lineage chart, and in SC in another DAR lineage chart. > > >>John Neufville (? - <1753) >>France > Berkely Co., SC >>In Berkely Co., SC by 1730s >> Jan Faulk: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net >>[The Huguenots of South Carolina by A. H. Hirsch] > > > >Hello, I have very little information and I'm seeking all the help that I can get. Rachael Neville,daughter of John Neville (B.1615) and Bridgett Thornsby. Rachael married Michael Ashford. That is the some total of my knowledge. Hope some one on the list can help. Lowell pickett > >

At 11:47 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Founders of Neville Lines in America >A list of pre-1750 immigrants surnamed "Neville" or variant combined >with ancestral Neville surnames for whom no father has been identified. >Includes Email addresses for descendants when known. >List Maintained by Gabe Neville: gabe.neville@mail.house.gov >Updated: Gabe, thank you for keeping up with and posting the founder's list. On John Neufville below, I have one correction. He was Huguenot, but I do not know that he was born in France. You might want to put a question mark after that. The DAR John Neufville(1727-1804) was born in England, according to one DAR lineage chart, and in SC in another DAR lineage chart. >John Neufville (? - <1753) >France > Berkely Co., SC >In Berkely Co., SC by 1730s > Jan Faulk: jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net >[The Huguenots of South Carolina by A. H. Hirsch]

At 10:16 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Jan: > >Items: Do you have any evidence of any SC Nevilles moving to MD? I'd >like to eliminate them right away, unless you think there's a reason not >to. Gabe, I have no evidence of SC Nevilles moving to MD. I gave the information about the Neufvilles of SC along with the information of the Neufvilles in NY because I thought someone else might see a connection or have helpful information. In reading backgroud information on the Huguenots, I have found that branches of one family might live in different areas of the colonies, particularly along the coast. There is an Edward Neufville in the SC Neufville group who began appearing in records in 1750s along with John and William. In a SC Dept. of Archives index I have, it appears that a John and Edward Neufville were in business or a partnership with a William Anderson as they are styled "Messrs. Neufvilles and Anderson" (quotations are mine). You can probably find out much more about the Neufville family in SC by writing to the Huguenot Society. They were very prominent in the affairs of Charleston, SC. I suspect the same society would know if there is a proven link between the Neufville families of NY and SC. I don't know if such information would help you in your search, but it's worth a try. >Please clarify: it was Edward's father who was the doctor, right? Not >the original immigrant? Do we have any idea what kind of Doctor? Edward's father was not Dr. Jean de Neufville. See below. Dr. Jean de Neufville's son John was Edward's father, according to Dorothy Kimbrell. Edward would have been the grandson of Dr. Jean de Neufville. I don't know what kind of doctor he was, but medical doctor is a good possibility since academic titles would most likely have been used in academic circles, not on census records. (A member of the SC Neufville group, Dr. Benjamin Nevill performed services as a medical doctor during the Rev. War.) (Jan) My earlier post on above subject: >>>According to a correspondent, Dorothy Neville Kimbrell, in 1690 Dr. Jean de >>Neufville from Tours, France, purchased land in New Rochelle, NY. He had a >>son John b. 1678. This son John died before 1710, leaving two young sons, >>Edward and John. >> >>The same correspondent indicated that Edward, son of Dr. Jean above, could >>possibly be the Edward Neville who appeared in Cecil Co., MD, in early >>1700s. Gabe, did you see the North Carolina references I posted earlier this summer? In them are a Moses, Jacob, and James Neville who are in 1750 Beaufort Co., NC records. Paddy and I discussed Moses of NC, and she thinks Moses in NC would seem to be too old to be her Moses Neville who left Harford Co., MD, after the Rev. War. Beaufort Co. is right up the coast from Charleston, SC, so I guess there is a possibility the Moses Neville of NC could have been part of the Neufville family in SC. (Those given names of Joshua and Moses are certainly like the Biblical given names of other Huguenots.) Moses could also be a migrating part of the Harford Co., MD, group since Moses was a family name in that group. I am just throwing out ideas here to help you see how I think there could be some areas for research. > >My brother Pete is going to post our line again, as he has worked out a >detailed version. He promised he'd post it today. > >I've added John Neufville (d. before 1753, Berkely Co., SC) to the >Founders list. He's the right guy in that line, right? The John Neufville who apparently died before 1753 in SC is the earliest person with that surname who is found on the South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History index. (I am not sure the index is comprehensive.) Also in Charleston was John Neufville (1725-1804) who was a Rev. War patriot and whose lineage is in DAR records (I listed what I have on him in my last post on this subject.) > >Thanks again, let me know if you have any other thoughts! You might want to check the SC Dept. of Archives and History website to see if they have their computerized index on-line. If not, I will be glad to send you a copy of mine by snail so you can see the Neufville references in SC. You might also contact Mary Bondurant Warren who publishes FAMILY PUZZLERS in Georgia. She has done much work on the Huguenots of SC and GA. She is very aware of Huguenot migration patterns in this country and in Europe and may have information about the Neufvilles, some of whom migrated to GA. The address is Heritage Papers, 170 Windsor Ct., Athens, GA 30606. She may also have a website. Hope this helps. Jan