Barbara, Thank you for your interest.Hope we can find who your Neville's are. Hardy Neville was married to a Rebecca? Children: 1.Osmond b.ca 1796 2. Elizabeth b. ca1797 3.Augustine twice,b. ca 1799 4.Guilford 5.Patrick H. b,ca 1803 6. Hillman b 1805 I hope some of our kin willrespond! Thanks, Lois At 04:35 PM 08/19/1997 -0500, you wrote: >Lois >The only Alabama Neville's I know are George D. Neville and wife ? >Elizabeth? b. abt 1788 and their son Elisha b. abt 1827 in AL. >Elisha's wife & family were born in IL. There may have been a sister >Anna b. abt 1829 in AL. If I am repeating myself, I am getting each >note separate now instead of digest form? >It seems like we need to find out if your Hillman Neville had some >brother's?? >Barbara > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X X X Lois Brown Boesch lbboesch@intersurf.com X X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Lois The only Alabama Neville's I know are George D. Neville and wife ? Elizabeth? b. abt 1788 and their son Elisha b. abt 1827 in AL. Elisha's wife & family were born in IL. There may have been a sister Anna b. abt 1829 in AL. If I am repeating myself, I am getting each note separate now instead of digest form? It seems like we need to find out if your Hillman Neville had some brother's?? Barbara

Barbara, Couldn't help but ask who your Alabama Neville's are! I have Neville's from Wilcox County Alabama.Hillman Neville,son of Hardy,is my GGGrandfather. He setteled in Al.in ca 1830 from Halifax Co.North Carolina. I have his children,also his first marriage to Sophia Carstarphen and their children. Can we connect? Regards, Lois Brown Boesch ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ . >I haven't a clue as to my Neville's Alabama origin. I have a cousin >that told me that our Neville's came from there. She never did >follow through with any details of what information she had?? She > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X X X Lois Brown Boesch lbboesch@intersurf.com X X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Jan & etc. I haven't a clue as to my Neville's Alabama origin. I have a cousin that told me that our Neville's came from there. She never did follow through with any details of what information she had?? She said her files were all put away someplace?? I have an 1850 Census for Effingham Co IL that says Elisha Neville was born in AL. And (I assume) his 60 year old mother Elizabeth, living with the family, was born in VA. (and maybe a sister Anna age 21 b in AL living with them? ) My cousin said a lot of the records were burned in the Civil War. So, I know nothing of my Neville's before they came to Watson, Effingham Co, IL.. I know pretty much of what came afterward. They must have left Alabama sometime between 1829 and 1850. I don't know if George D.Neville died in AL or IL or ?? I haven't looked for an 1830 or 1840 census for them?? So, all I have is: George D. Neville married to Elizabeth? b abt 1788 in VA (.Does the middle initial D help any?) Son: Elisha Neville b. abt 1827 in AL and died 1863. married to Eliza Ann Forth b. 1834 d. 1917 in IL Eliza was born in IL, so I assume they were married there. Elisha was only 36 when he died, HOW? Elisha and Eliza Neville had children: George Washington Neville b. 1856 in Effingham Co IL d. 1923 married Harriet Courtland Martin 1856-1926 They were married in 1880 in Fayette Co. IL Mahala E. Neville 1854 married John W. Watson John M. Neville 1857 William Henry Neville 1860 Nancy Neville 1863 Orabelle Neville 1863 The parents of Presley Neville Martin 1779-1855 were Col. Charles Martin 1715-1800 and Mary Bell/Beall. I don't know if that will help connect my Presley Neville Martin to another Neville line? It would be interesting to find my Neville's in Fauquier Co VA. I have a whole bunch of other surnames that came from there Elliott, Field, Feagins, Pearl, Cundiff, & maybe Rogers. I seem to have more questions than answers. I have trouble following the other lines unless I find a connection to George D. Neville?? I am a long way from the 1600 Neville's! Barbara

-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Great reading on the 15th century Nevilles - try Allison Weir's "War of the Roses." [Includes numerous ref's to other related lines such as the Plantagenets, Percys, etc.] I found a paperback copy for $12 at a local {Crown Books} discount store...

Concerning the books, etc. that I have reprinted for everyone, it has been a fun enterprise to fill each of the orders. Thanks for everyone's support and notes of good will. A few people are new to the list and do not know about these reprints. A few others requested copies via e-mail, but so far have not followed through with any cash. I am in the process of mailing out THE BATTLE OF NEVILL'S CROSS. All other books should have been received by now. Here is the listing of the items again: A 370-YEAR HISTORY OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1982), by Joseph B. Neville, 1988. This book is spiral bound with 8 1/2 by 11 in. size paper. It is 175 pages (9 intro. pages, plus 166 pages of text). This is the most up-to-date book on the Neville family that I know of. It includes footnotes, but no index. Cost = $10.00 (this includes postage) A 360-YEAR HISTORY OF ONE NEVILLE FAMILY (1612-1972), by Joseph B. Neville, 1974. This book is spiral bound with 8 1/2 by 11 in. size paper. (It originally was in a 3-ring binder and had no cover page, so I created one to match the style of the later book and put it in a spiral binding.) It is 63 pages (20 intro pages plust 43 pages of text). This is also a very good book on the Nevilles that Joe Neville printed earlier. It includes a good table of contents which makes it easier to locate individuals. It also has a chronology of the Neville family and other references which are not found in his later work. Cost = $4.00 (this includes postage) THE BATTLE OF NEVILL'S CROSS. No place, no publisher, 1885. 20 pages. This booklet tells the history of a famous battle in English history which occurred on Oct. 17, 1346 and involved Lord Ralph Nevill of Raby. Cost=$1.50 (this includes postage) ***This is a rare booklet. The copy is dim in several places. I have traced with pencil as needed to make the clearest possible copy. SOCIETY OF JOHN NEVILLE DESCENDANTS NEWSLETTER (1976-1980), edited by Joseph B. Neville. This set of newsletters contains much information on the Neville family, mostly in the U.S., which was compiled by Joseph B. Neville and Robert Jett (both now deceased). Some of this information later found its way into the 370-YEAR HISTORY listed above. Lineages of all subscribers to this newsletter is given and much valuable information and sources are shown. These are legal size pages (8 1/2 X14 in.). The margins are very tight, but I have had them all reprinted and spiral bound (at top margin). Total number of pages is 88 pages. I have numbered the pages at the bottom to help in organizing. Also, should someone wish to make an index of this set, it would be much easier to do now. Total cost = $6.00 (This includes postage). Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org My mailing address is: Glenn Gohr 1040 E. McCanse St. Springfield, MO 65803-3613 Ph. 417-833-2814 (evenings)

William L. Wallace wrote ... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "William L. Wallace" <wally@ecc-uky.campus.mci.net> To: ggohr01@mail.orion.org Subject: Battle of Neville's Crossing Glen, I ordered the 360 yr of Neville's and the Battle of Nevilles Cross. I got the 360 yrs of Neville's okay but I was wondering how you were progressing on the Battle of Neville's Crossing. I read some of it was not legible. Was the other copy any better? Regards, Bill Wallace, Radcliff, KY __________ Bill and all, I did receive another copy via interlibrary loan. However, that copy (from the Denver Public Library) is harder to read than the one I have. It was donated to that library by Joseph B. Neville also, and is a copy from the original. I have used a magnifying glass and traced in pencil where characters in the type are very difficult to read. I intend to mail out the copies either tomorrow or the next day. This is a rare item. The original is over 100 yrs. old and must be housed in England somewhere. Henry Swallow (the author) also wrote a book called DE NOVA VILLA which also talks about the British Nevilles and mentions about this same Battle of Nevill's Cross. I have a photocopy of the book DE NOVA VILLA which is also difficult to obtain. Hope this helps. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org

Barbara, I am very interested in your line. You are connected with Martins and think your Neville family originated in Alabama. I have both a Nevels and a Nevil line in Mississippi in the late 1700's. Martin Nevill is a name used for at least three men connected with my Mississippi line. The only place I have found this name outside MS is in court records in Sumner Co., TN, in the late 1700s. A Martin and William Nevill were found there. What do you know about your family's Alabama origins? Do you have any family stories about how and when they migrated to Illinois? Have you looked at the line of William Nevill who originated in Fauquier Co., VA, went to western border of NC and SC, lived in area around Greenville Co. SC, and then went to Barren Co., KY. He finally settled in White Co., TN. Some of his descendants stayed in the Greenville/Spartanburg area of SC, and some of their descendants went to Alabama. If someone has this chart done, it might be of some help to you. The popular idea related to William is that his brothers were Gen. John Nevill who went to Pittsburg, PA (and whose son was Presley Nevill, Ren's ancestor); James Nevill who left Fauquier Co., VA, and came to Barren Co., KY; and George Nevill who left Fauquier for NC and SC before settling in Montgomery Co., TN. Proof has been found that George Nevill and William had the same father, Joseph Nevill. Although it seems likely that James and John are also brothers and sons of Joseph, thus far proof has eluded researchers. Jan -------------------- At 03:01 PM 8/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >I don't think I am getting all of the messages? I will try to change >from Neville D to Neville L? The note I did not get was from Ren >Neville about George Washington Neville. George was my great >grandfather. His father was Elisha and Elisha's father was George D. >Neville. The Presley's in the family seem to come from the Martin >side (Harriet C. Martin, wife of George) Her father was Presley M. >Martin and his father was Presley Neville Martin. Another possible >connection to a different Neville line? The Martin's were from VA >and Wetzel Co W. VA. Barbara. > >

Jeanne, It is possible John is the one found in 1700s in Amelia Co., VA, who states in a court deposition that he was born in Ireland. The Nevils in Amelia are said to be connected with the George Nevils line in Charlotte Co., VA (this according to descendants in George's line). Some of George's descendants went to East Tennesse and to the area in and around Maury Co., TN. George's line had quite a few descendants, and I am surprised none have subscribed to our list, at least none that I know of. The book THE NEVILLE FAMILY OF ENGLAND AND THE UNITED STATES was published by a descendant of George Nevils. Although the book has much good information, the author incorrectly states that the George Nevils of Charlotte Co., VA, was the same as the George Nevill of Montgomery Co., TN. George Nevill of Montgomery Co., TN, was the man who originated in Fauquier Co., VA, and went to NC/SC before coming to Montgomery Co. Jan ----------------------------- At 05:59 PM 8/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: JP Barton * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Another fellow I can't i.d.: > >Roger Neale, 200a. in Brusnwick Co., 1 Mar 1743, for import and >transportation of four persons, including John Nevills. > >I noticed a couple of you have an "s" on your Nevill - is this a totally >different line? > >this item from the Magazine of VA Genealogy, May 1989. > >Jeanne > >

Jan - Thanks for weighing in on this subject. And I am trully sorry about your family mispelling their Nevill name all these years. They say its never too late to change. Also I was glad to hear that it wasn't just the Walkers who recollected their own family history all wrong according the facts. Incidentally, in trying to reconstruct my own Nevill history, I mostly followed Joseph B. Neville, who did presumably look at Boogher's sources and accepted some of it. We got into the big discussion on Boogher mainly because he seems to be the only one who claims to have found the link between John, Sr., James and his son John via the Duncan Bohannan's deed (Liber 6, folio 549, Land Office, Richmond.) J.B.Neville and SoJUND bought into it for their work. Still, It would be nice to know if this deed, if it still exists, shows what Boogher claims it shows. Every once in a while he may have gotten one right. Without this link, or some other evidence, we will have to admit that the original John, may have been the first immigrant, but is probably not the founder the Nevill family in America. That mantle would then appear to fall on the shakey shoulders of old James, who has had more after-death citings than anyone except Elvis. According to Newman, our alleged leader would be, without James, the head of a Nevill family of one male member, his son William, who apparantly had no children to whom he could pass on the name. As Ren said, John would be just another immigrant. Ah yes, the evidence must lead us. If some member, who has access to the Richmond Land Office records, could try to find Boogher's reference, he or she would be doing us all a great favor. Perhaps your friend, the president of NGS, already knows the answer from her previous investigations of Boohger's sources. Thanks, Jan, for your input. I always knew that genealogy was a work in progress that had no end, but the situation appears worse that I thought. Maybe we need to rexamine all our sources, particularly on the earliest generations and weed out the ones that clearly wrong, and footnote the rest. Don't ask me how. Jim Walker

I am searching for parents and siblings of John Nevil. Does anyone have any information to add regarding the following? Descendants of John Nevil 1 John Nevil b: 06 March 1808 in Carter Co, KY d: 01 February 1867 in Peach Mt.Adams Co., OH +Sarah Mark m: 24 June 1830 Fleming Co., KY b: 16 April 1799 in Fleming Co., KY d: 20 March 1888 in PeachMt. Adams Co., OH 2 William Nevil b: 1831 in KY d: 1897 +Rachel Matheny m: 04 August 1853 Adams Co., OH b: 1828 d: 04 September 1885 *2nd Wife of William Nevil: +Rhoda York m: 1887 2 Joseph Nevil b: 1833 in KY d: 01 June 1911 in Pomeroy, WA +Elizabeth Lizzie Mitchell m: 1855 b: 1837 d: 1860 *2nd Wife of Joseph Nevil: +Suzannah Newman m: 1860 b: 1837 in OH d: in Pomeroy, WA 2 Rebecca Nevil b: 20 December 1836 in Kentucky d: 16 October 1915 in Adams, Peebles, OH +Samuel Eldridge m: 01 August 1860 Adams Co., OH b: 06 July 1820 in Missisquoi, Lwr Canada d: 10 July 1914 in Adams, Peebles, OH 2 John Jr Nevil b: 11 December 1838 d: 28 December 1906 +Mary Ann Wallace m: 23 September 1859 Adams Co., OH b: 12 March 1825 d: 09 November 1903 in Paulding, OH Bob Duerigen Indianapolis, IN <bduer@juno.com>

Miscl Neville's from various sources: 11-8-1656 Lawarence Adams of Touton, Sommerset, bound to John Nevill of Bristol, painter, to serve four years. 1-8-1657 Katherine Garvis of Newchurch, Monmouth, spinster, bound to John Nevill of Bristol, painter, to serve four years. 8-18-1660 William Nevill, shipper of goods on the "Thomas and Anne" 8-17-1672 Shippers by Dutch Built "Katherine" of Bristol, Roger Nevill 7-18-1674 Newgate prisoners reprieved to be transportd to Barbados, Mary Nevill of Clerkenwell 8-31-1678 Shipper by "Unicorn" from Bristol for Virginia, Roger Nevill 3-7-1679 by the "Society" from Barbados to Boston, John Nevill 4-9-1679 by the "Joseph" from Barbados to the Leeward Islands, John Nevill 8-26-1680 Shipper by the "Concord" of Bristol to Virginia, Roger Nevill 3-5-1681, Newgate prisoners reprieved to be transported to Barbados. London, Katherine Nevill 11-1697 Probate of Will of John Nevill of St. Margaret, Westminster, Middlesex, who died in Virginia, Vice-Admiral. 1-16-1727, following bond to John Ball to serve in PA, Ann Nevill 10-16-1727, following bond to William Burge to serve in VA, John Nevill 4-17-1731, John Neville bound to Neal MacNeal to serve in MD 12-1765, Eleanor Nevill sentenced to transportation, transported 1-1776, Tryal, Middlesex. 12-1765 John Nevell sentenced to transportation, transported 1-1776, Tryal, Middlesex. 4-1726 Landing certificate John Nevell from Rappahannock. John Nevell sentenced to transportation February 1756, transported 6-1756, Lyon, Middlesex Nevill, Mayes, sentenced to transportation for stealing gledings at Foulsham and reprieved. 1770, Norfolk Nevill, Thomas sentenced to transportation Feb 1731, transported 3-1771, landing certificate Annopolis 6-1731, Middlesex 12-4-1724, bound to William Cash of London, cheeseemaonger to serve 4 years in St. Christophers, Robert Neville of Portsmouth, Hampshire, carpenter, age 25. 10-19-1632. The "Ark" of London, Mr. Richard Lowe, carrying men to Lord Baltimore's new plantation in or near New England, is to be stayed because Captain Winter who is in charge of the company has not taken the oath of allegiance. 10-30-1632, The "Ark" and the "Dove" licensed to proceed to Maryland. 8-23-1662, apprenticed in Bristol, William Nevell to John Pearson, 4 years Barbados, Jane Nevel to the same. The following concern one "Edward Neufville". 12-20-1773 Shippers by the "industry" bound from Bristol for South Carolina, Edward Neufville. 2-3-1764, by the "Susannah" Bristol to Carolina. 4-27-1764 by the "Briton", Bristol to Carolina 9-25-1764, by the "Salley", Bristol to S. Carolina 3-23-1765, by the "Delight", Bristol to Carolina 4-30-1765, by the "Nelly", Bristol to Carolina 11-15-1765, by the "Diane", Bristol to Carolina 6-19-1766, by the "Live Oak", Bristol to So. Carolina 11-10-1766, by the "Indiana King", Bristol to S. Carolina 12-22-1766, by the "Flora", Bristol to S. Carolina 3-24-1767, by the "Live Oak", Bristol to SC 6-3-1767, by the "Prosper", Bristol to SC 8-25-1767, by the "Liberty", Bristol to SC 6-25-1770, by the"Flora", Bristol to SC (Neufville and Rolleston) 8-25-1770, by the "Baltic Merchant", Bristol to SC (Neufville and Rolleston) 4-8-1772, by the "Liberty", Bristol to SC..same 9-14-1772, by the "Charming Sally". Bristol to SC...same 9-30-1772, by the "Live Oak", Bristol to SC...same 12-8-1772, by the "Governor Wright", Bristol to SC...same 1-13-1773, by the "Proteus", Bristol to SC...same 4-30-1773, by the "Charming Sally", Bristol to SC 6-17-1773, by the "Liberty", Bristol to SC 12-23-1773, by the "Friendship", Bristol to SC abt 1-23-1774, indentured servants from London to Maryland by the "Peggy", Philip Nevil of London, husbandman, age 24 11-20-1635, person transported from London to Barbados, Nicholas Nevell, age 19. 10-4-1672, apprenticed in Bristol, Roger Nevell, 4 years, VA Hope this comes in handy someplace, please print out if you are interested.................Ren ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30

I don't think I am getting all of the messages? I will try to change from Neville D to Neville L? The note I did not get was from Ren Neville about George Washington Neville. George was my great grandfather. His father was Elisha and Elisha's father was George D. Neville. The Presley's in the family seem to come from the Martin side (Harriet C. Martin, wife of George) Her father was Presley M. Martin and his father was Presley Neville Martin. Another possible connection to a different Neville line? The Martin's were from VA and Wetzel Co W. VA. Barbara.

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:55:07 -0400 d4walls@erols.com writes: >Cousins, > >I have been watching the debate on James with some delight. He has >always been a question mark in my tree because so little seems to name >him. I believe that John Neville, who married Elizabeth Bohannon, was >an infant in 1674, with father dec'd. [See Gloucester Co. Deeds] If >James Neville was John's father, then he died before 1674. He may >have >had more children than John, but they are not named and John, who >recieved the property in right of his father must be the eldest son. >If >as Michelle Duval Ule wrote this spring, Duncan Bohannon "may have >used >this land to discharge the debt he apparently had owed to the Virginia >John Neville's grandfather, John Neville, in Maryland ten years >before" >then a connection to John and Bridget can be proven. But I have not >yet >seen the record concerning this debt (Does anyone have the citation?) >Anyway, if above is true, what proves the Neville between the two >Johns >was named James? > >Any takers? > >I have been very busy at work and at home, so I have not volunteered >for >the forthcoming newsletter. I am however, transcribing court records >pertaining to the Neville family in Maryland. I will be glad to >serialize the transcription for the newsletter, but be warned!...truth >is stranger than fiction and some court records of the seventeenth >century use language and expressions that you will not hear on >television today. Tell me if you want items that are unsuitable for >children to be censored from the serial. Most of the "color" comes >concerning John's second or third wife, Joan (Joann/Jo Ann/Ann) Porter >Neville. > >Happy rooting to all! > >Brian Walls >Columbia, Maryland > > Brian You hit the nail on the head! If the debt owed by Bohannon to John Neville could be verified, it would help settle these relationships. Boogher first identified James as the son of the immigrant John. His reference as shown in footnote 1 on page 6 of Joseph B. Neville's book ''The 370 Year History of One Neville Family" is: "On March 6, 1674, James Neville, Sr. purchased 100 acres of land in Gloucester Co., VA in the name of his son, John, then a minor from Duncan Bohannan, formerly of Charles Co., Md. It would appear from the records the said 100 acres of land were deeded by Bohannan in settlement of the suit brought by his father, John Neville Sr., against said Duncan Bohannan, in Charles Co., MD, in 1662. (See Liber 6, folio 549, Land Office, Richmond, VA). It would appear he drew this conclusion just from reading that land record. If this can be verified, it would seem to prove the relationship of John, Sr. to James to his son John. If not, then maybe we have to consider that perhaps James came from England after John, and they are not father and son. I hope you will have a chance to check this key point. I see it is recorded in Richmond VA which may not fit in with your planned Maryland trip. Thanks for your interest. Jim Walker

Ren -- it's me again I realize that when you raised all those problems about James Neville's genealogy, you were only trying to get as many of them on the table as possible, and were not necessarily endorsing any of them. I was pleased to find that the family group sheets you sent me did include John's son, James. You also listed James Children as John, James, Jacob and Richard -- just as JBN listed them in "370." I assume this represents your current best thinking while not ruling out the possibility for future change if new evidence warrants. In this we seem to be in full concurrence. Obiously, it is not unusual to add or delete children as more evidence becomes available. It was Hugh Floyd (The Neville Family of Bullock Co., GA) who called to JBN's attention that his ancestor, Jacob Neville, was also a son of James -- and apparently had the documentation to back it up. It is still possible that others will turn up, particularly a daughter or two. I had not heard of the problem about Jacob not being claimed by James for "passage" land. Since James was born in Maryland, he could hardly be claiming passage from England for any of his family or himself. Was this an incentive to get settlers to move to North Carolina from Virginia? I have no explanation for that, but i will still keep Jacob in my database, until there is more evidence that that incident for dumping him. Keep the contrary evidence though as a footnote. I do not have all of Boogher's pages, so could not find your reference to his statement that somebody (James's family?) gained passage to the US in 1697. In view of all the later evidence, this seems hardly likely, but would be a problem if verifiable. As far as myth that George Neville was the original immigrnt, brought here by kidnappers from England, and that General John and General Joe were his sons, was pretty well discredited by Blakemore, a descendant of George, on page 237 of his book "The Blakemore Family and Allied Lines." Again, no way would you base a Neville database on that report. In your response to my query you referred to all these little objections as trash, and I think you are right. We should relegate them all to footnotes and never worry about them again unless new evidence arises. I hope you agree. Jim Walker

Hey Ren - Thanks for such a prompt response to my querie about the legitimate inclusion of James as a son of John. As a descendant of General John, this question is as important to you as it is to us descendants of General Joseph. I hope others will join in the discussion. I trust I am not offending anyone by pursuing this question. I am not challenging anybody's expertise and certainly not their manhood or womanhood. I am just laying out the basis for my conclusions about James to see if they will stand the scrutiny of this group on the merits of the evidence. So fire away. I have no problem about changing those conclusions on the basis of superior evidence. Isn't this what a Nevill Heritage Society is all about? Ren, you did your usual masterful job of laying out most of the questions about James with which I am familiar, and a couple of more. I should have quoted Boogher a little further. He also said: "The name of James Neville, Sr. does not appear in the records of Virginia after the purchase of the 100 acres of land for his son, John, in 1674, so far as this writer is able to find out. It is believed that he was killed by Indians about 1680, as we find no no will of either said James or his wife." Clearly his statement about James being killed by Indians was just a guess as he offered no evidence what-so-ever. Of course Boogher did not find later records for James in VA because we now know he moved to North Caroline. Joseph B. Neville gave a blow by blow description about how and why SoJUND updated their view on James as new evidence came to light (370 Year History, p 6 footnotes). These recognized Jeanne Barton's discovery of him living in 1698, Dr. Dickenson's finding him on Neville's Creek in NC and further that he was killed by Indians in 1711. This last was supported by Major Christopher Gale's letter, written on Nov. 2, 1711 of his gory findings of the Nevill family (Ren mentioned some of the details in his reply to me). Much of SoJUND's conclusions about James were based on these later findings incorporated in Hugh Floyd's "The Neville Family of Bullock Georgia," to whom J.B.N. gave full acknowledgement in his footnotes. Maybe I am worng, but It seems to me that each of those later findings justified updating SoJND's "database" -- that we should no longer be confused by all these James sightings. Admittedly, new evidence may cause another updating. Until then, however, we can only stick with the latest and best evidence as we know it. To me that was responsible management of a database. SoJUND reached what I consider to be a valid conclusion on all the evidence, but they also pointed out all the reasoning for their conclusion in footnotes so that others could disagree with their conclusions if the so chose. The older conclusions were given the deep six, but not hidden from later researchers. As for James's children, I can't vouch for all of them, but it seems to me that our ancestor, John, who married Elizabeth Bohannon, and who was born in Virginia still looks good to me -- and his descendants.. Thanks again for your response, Ren. I hope others will join in, whether they agree or disagree. Jim Walker

JESSE NEVILLE Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:49:58 -0700 From: Ren Neville <beschutzer@earthlink.net> To: NEVILLE-L@rootsweb.com "Under the John Neville: b 1612 group, there is a Jesse Neville son of William Neville and Winifred Oldham. I have always had his wife as "Mary McCarter" however in a not too polite letter from one Della Morgan who wants to be left alone since she was only interested in the Neville's to get into DAR, she shows his wife as "Margaret Lynch". I've never picked up "Margaret Lynch" but what else is new. I attach all of Jesse's children to Mary McCarter. Can anyone confirm or deny "Margaret Lynch" and if they have issue, provide said info. Thanx" Ren could you supply descendats of Jesse please.Thanks -- Best Regards And Have A Good Day, Jesse M. Lawrence Jr. <jmljr@flash.net> Owner -Highland Oaks Ranch 5300 East McKinney Road Home: 940-243-5068 Denton ,Texas 76208 Fax: 940-243-0198 I am researching family histories for Pittman, Lawrence, Copeland, Wheeler, Neville, Turner and Harris.I would like to share info by FTW or GEDCOM files attached to email, regular email or snail mail,whichever is most convenient and efficient for all. <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/a/w/Jesse-M-Lawrence/> THE ESSENCE OF SURVIVAL --- "Every morning in Africa, a Gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed . . . Every morning a Lion wakes up. It knows it must outrun the slowest Gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a Lion or a Gazelle . . . when the sun comes up, you'd better be running."

--NEVILLE - WAYNE CO. KY WAYNE COUNTY, KENTUCKY 1810 CENSUS p. 355 Enoch NAVALLS 2wm -10 3wf -10 1wm 16-26 1wf 10-16 1wm 26-45 1wf 16-26 1wf 26-45 p. 356 Henry NAVELS 2wm -10 1wf 16-26 1wm 16-26 p. 356 Jas. NAVEL 1wm 16-26 1wf 16-26 p. 366 George NEVIL 2wm -10 2wf -10 1wm 10-16 1wf 10-16 1wm 45+ 2wf 16-26 1wf 45+ 1820 - mone WAYNE COUNTY, KENTUCKY 1830 CENSUS Lucy NEVEL 1wf 5-10 1wf 10-15 1wf 15-20 1wf 20-30 1840 - none WAYNE COUNTY, KENTUCKY MARRIAGES AND VITAL RECORDS, 1801-1860 vol.2 - Bork NEVILL, Dodson and Elizabeth Spicklemeir. Bond missing, married 26 April 1831 by Archibald Woods. NEVILL, George and Betsy Ward. Surety, William Ward. Married 29 March 1806 by North East, Esq. Endorsement on Bond: "Consent proved by oath of William Ward." NEVILL, George and Sally Phillips. Surety, Wade Phillips. Married 30 June 1830 by Richard Barrier. (Bond badly burned) NEVILL, George and Abigail Tucker. Surety, Moses Tucker. Bond dated 17 January, married 22 January 1834 by Richard Barrier. NEVILL, Henry and Sally Canady (Kennedy?). Surety, George NEVILLE. Married 10 February 1808 by Richard Barrier. Endorsement on Bond: "Father present and consented". (not named) NEVILL, James and Polly McCorkle. Surety, Jesse Dodson. Married 22 August 1805 by North East Esq. Endorsement on Bond: "Jesse Dodson, guardian of Polly, gave his consent". NEVILL, James and Marion (Maryann) Dodson. Surety, Enoch NEVILLE. Bond dated 17 September, married 20 September 1810 by Richard Barrier. Endorsement on Bond: "Parents of both parties present and consented". NEVILL, Jesse and Brittanna Outwell (Aughtwell). Surety, Joh Van Winkle. Marrid 9 November 1815 by Rev. Elliott Jones. NEVILL, John and Nancy "Lucy" New. Surety, Stockton Dodson. Bond dated 17 April, married 27 April 1828 by Roger Oatts. NEVILL, Thomas and Rebecca Lear. Bond missing, married 15 November 1833 by James Lear. NEVILLE, Barbara and Nicholas Koger. Surety, John Chrisman. Bond dated 16 August 1810, (1816?), Minister return missing. NEVILL Louisa and Daniel Phillips. Surety, George Keith. Bond dated 31 December 1845, married 1 January 1846. Endorsement on Bond: (1) 'this license was obtained by the said Daniel Phillips making oath that his father is willing to the intended marriage between him (Daniel and Linsa) and also by George Keeth one of the witnesses to the order directed to the Clerk making oath that Lewis Phillips name was signed to said order his direction and he was willing to the said marriage and Joshua Keeth the witness to the order directed to the Clerk by Lucinda NEVILLES mother of the said Louisa was also willing to the said marriage the 31 December 1840 by James N. Shepherd Clerk". (2) "24 December 1845 Mr Simpson clerk (written very badly) i hav consently gire my darter lusia nevil i want your to firv sad danniel philips lisons gively matrimani of mariede (by) Lusinday (X) Nevels - witness Gos away Keath (Josiah Keeth)". (3) "mister simson clerke of wain conty cort kent (Ky.) i let you no i am willin for you to let mi sun danni el pillups hav lison to mari lisa kneve given under mi hand (by) luiew pillups 26 December (all letters backwards on date) - Witness, jor keth (George Keeth) and John keeth". Married by Isaac Powell, Minister of Gospel. NEVILL, Sarah "Sally" and William Keith. Surety, Jesse Kennedy. Bond dated 28 November 1815, married 29 February 1816 by Rev. Richard Barrier. NEVELLS, Rhoda and Samuel Kemp. Surety, Jesse Daugherty. Married 26 March 1822 by William Summers. NEVILLE, Peggy and William Owens. Surety, Samuel Nevill. Bond dated 7 March 1815, Minister return missing. Endorsement on Bond: "Permission of Samuel Neville, father". (NOTE: Samuel is NEWELL about half the time in the records so I don't know whether he was actually NEVILLE or NEWELL. I haven't include any of the NEWELL entries here -- SKM) 2 Oct. 1823 - Archer NEVILL surety for Adam Spicklemier and Phebe Dollarhide. NEVILL, Susannah Ferrel and Daniel Ward. Surety, Stephen Allen. Married 10 September 1807 by Reb. Richard Barrier. Note: (1) "9 September 1807 this is to certify that Nancy Ferrel is willing that Daniel Word shall marry her daughter - Nancy Ferrel to Micah Tall (Taul) Clark of Wayne Co. - witnessed by John Ferrel, Jesse Daugherty and Stephen (X) Allen". (2) "James Allen to Micah Tall Clerk of Wayne County 9 September 1807 - this is to certify that James Allen and Nancy Allen is both willing that their son Daniel Word shall marey Nansey Ferrels daughter - witnessed by Jesse Walker and Stephen (X) Allen". BIRTHS Riley Keath and Sarah NEVELS (William Riley & Sarah Jane??) son, Gabriel Keath born __ Sept 1856 on Big South Creek; residence of parents, Big South; father born on Big South; mother born in Pulaski Co. Ky. William R. (Riley?) and Jane NEVELS: son, George Keath born 3 Nov. 1852. CEMETERIES Tucker Cemetery - Wayne Co. KY NEVELS, Charlie 1904-1953 NEVELS, Dicey 1904-1958 NEVELS, George 1947-1966 WAYNE COUNTY, KENTUCKY MARRIAGES AND VITAL RECORDS 1801-1860 vol. 1 - Bork NEVILL, Patsy and George Barnett. Surety, Leonard Dodson. Bond dated 18 March 1811, married 25 March 1811 by Rev. Nicholas Loyd. Note: "March 17, 1811 this is given from under my hand to certify that I am wiling that you shold give George Barnet lisons for my daughter Patsy by George Nevill". 25 June 1833 George W. NEVILLE surety for marriage of David (Daniel) Canada and Lavina Keith. NEVILL, Martha Ann and Barney Clark. Married 17 October 1856 at the mouth of Turkey Creek by James Thompson. Present was William Tucker, Samuel Coe and George W. NEVELL. Groom is of Wayne, age 21, born in Henry Co., Virginia; bride is of Wayne, age 15, born in Pulaski County, Ky. NEVELL(?), Peggy and James Jolly. Surety, James NEVELL. Married 27 December 1821 by Archibald Woods. --

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Sorry about the last. I didn't mean to "attach" the file I was going to paste it here! NEVILLE - PULASKI CO. KY PULASKI COUNTY MARRIAGE RECORDS BOOK I, 1799-1850 - Pulaski Co. Historical Soc. 22 Aug. 1821 Archer NEVIL & Nancy Dollarhide. David Sparks, surety. 22 Jan. 1820 Urias Ashley & Patsy NEVIL. Consent, John Ashley, groom's father (Adair Co.) & Patsy Mease, bride's mother. 19 Aug. 1813 Wm. Barrow & Cyntha NEVIL. Richard Cook, surety. Pres. Thos. Hill. 25 Feb. 1811 Wm. S. Hammonds & Anna NEVILL. Stephen Sayers, surety. Enoch NEVILL, bride's father. 26 Feb. 1811 Jacob Meece & Anna NEVILL. Geo. Meece & Jas. Keeney, surety. Thos. Meece, groom's father. Thos. Hill, pres. PULASKI COUNTY, KENTUCKY 1799-1800 TAXPAYERS, 1810-20-30-40 CENSUS - Pulaski Co. Historical Soc. 1810 Knox NAVAL 1m -10 5f -10 1m 10-16 2f 10-16 1m 16-26 1f 16-26 1820, 1830, 1840 none.