Dear Neville Researchers: Thanks to Jeanne Barton for helping to set these up. There are now 7 GenConnect boards for NEVILLE and variant spellings. These boards will become great resources for research as the information is posted. GenConnect has a global search engine for all GenWeb counties and all surnames that have GenConnect boards. The Neville boards are for Queries ~ Bible Records ~ Biographical Sketches ~ Deeds ~ Obituaries ~ Pension Records ~ and Wills. Only the Query board can have replies. All other boards do not deem a reply. Any replies made to any board other than a Query board will have to be deleted with no notice so please heed this warning. If you have any records you would like to share, please post them on the appropriate boards. As of this writing, all of the boards are empty so it's going to take you who are subscribed to this discussion list to get these boards filled with information. If you aren't sure how to post queries to the various boards, try looking at some of the records posted on other surname boards at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html I don't think GenConnect has thought up the idea of separating surname lists, so I think it would be fine for all Neville researchers anywhere and everywhere to post messages and resources on these boards. Please save this message or bookmark the sites so you will have the addresses for finding the boards. I am hoping that others having Neville websites will make links to these boards so it will be easier for people to find these 7 new sites. I am also adding the address for the GenConnect Boards as a tagline at the end of messages which are posted on both the Neville & the Neville-Origins lists. GenConnect Query Board for NEVILLE http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Neville Bible Records: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevilleBibl Biographies: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevilleBios Deeds: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevilleDeed Obits: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevilleObits Pensions: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevillePens Wills http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/NevilleWill Global Search for all Surnames: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search Good luck to all of you in your research and Happy New Year! Glenn Gohr (new GenConnect Neville Administrator) [email protected]

Remember my Daniel Brown had John Neville witness his will in Hampshire County VA (WV). The Thomas Brown mentioned in note below is tied in some way to Daniel (they share allied names) and in same generation. Also, Herman posits that Daniel's son (?) Thomas C. Brown was married to a New Jersey girl, Mary ILLIFF. > Laura,BobOrr's THOMAS BROWN'S son-in-law JAMES ARTHUR -MC >ARTHUR, once from BURLINGTON CO NJ, AND LIKELY MARRIED IN >HAMPSHIRE cO WV >was at RALPH MORGAN'S STATION IN KY. >Hermon Brown Fagley , 2679 St.Rt.125 ,Bethel,Oh 45106 HFAGLEY Isn't Ralph Morgan from Frederick County VA? Can't find that information but remember something along that vein. Laura

Peter, there were several families who originated in New York and even New England who migrated to Pennsylvania and then to VA or over to MD and then over the VA/PA. I can think of two of my families that are allied to my Browns (hence my supposed Neville) who came from New York and round about down to Hampshire County Va. The Van Hoesen (Van House, Van Huisen, Van Hoosen. various spellings) were one. They lived in Orange, NY in the 1600's and settled in Frederick County in the early 1700's. Hite was another. My Lemasters were Huguenots and some questions have arisen about whether or not they could have started in NY before migrating southwest. My Cary's were in Mass. very early on (early 1600's) and migrated to Philadelphia and then points southwest. My Justice family did the opposite. They started out very early near Jamestown and then settled in Mass. for a little while before moving back to VA. This was very early 1700's. People were not static! Laura ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NEVILLE-L] Tid bits of Huguenot and NY/MD info. > Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:13 AM > > Thanks for the lead Jan. I haven't been able to find the Heritage > Papers in Georgia yet; still trying. > > Here are some tid bits of Huguenot and NY/MD info. off the top of > my head & a few notes that I happen to have close at hand. If > anyone can add anything, please do. > > Huguenots to Virgina and Maryland: > --------------------------------- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/hugship.htm lists about 300 French > Huguenots that arrived in Virginia in 1700 on the MARY & ANN and > the PETER & ANTHONY. I wonder how many more ship, etc. came to > the region in that time period. I've written to the woman who > posted the info to ask. > - Huguenot Refugees on Board Ship Mary and Ann, August 12, > 1700, Virginia, James City. > > - from London to James River in Virginia, being French Refugees > imbarqued in the ship ye Peter and Anthony, Galley of London, > Daniel Perreau Commander (viz't) 20th of Sept. 1700). > > Lord Baltimore issued a letter inviting French Huguenots (and > other persecuted protestants) to come settle in Maryland. I > believe that this was in the mid 1700s though. I'll double check. > > New York/Maryland connections: > ----------------------------- > Augustine Herman, founder/big cheese of "Bohemia Manor" > established in Cecil county, MD in the mid-1600s was from New > York. Though German (or something) himself, he joined and was > married in the Dutch Reform Church up there. When he came to > Cecil Co, according to George Johnston's History of Cecil County, > he brought a bunch of people (presumably New Yorkers) with him. > He continued to have dealings with and travel to New York as did > his successors. > > The Labadist religous sect/group (a short lived group starting in > the 1680s) that set up on Bohemia Manor came to Cecil Co from New > York via Herman family connections. Does anyone know if New > Yorkers were recruited to the Labadist colony? Does anyone know > of any records of members of the Labadist colony? > > If I remember right, in the 1650s Peter Stuyvesant (up in New York) > replaced Fort Nassau in New Jersey with Fort Casimir (New Castle, > Delaware) as the main Dutch settlement outside of what is now New > York. The Dutch finally lose everything in the 3rd Anglo Dutch War > in the 1670s when, I presume, Fort Casimir becomes English New > Castle. New Castle Delaware is only about 20 miles from Cecil > County and, according to George Johnston, was one of if not thee > main sea-going port for Cecil County commerce. I would guess that > the Dutch that remained in New Castle continued to have extensive > dealings with New York after the English victory. > > Bottom line, my guess is that between the Herman family in Cecil > county, the Dutch in Delaware, and maybe the Labadists, there was > a lot of contact with New York. > > I just checked out a book on "The French Presence in Maryland, > 1524-1800" from the NGS Library. We'll see what that reveals. > > Peter Neville > > ____________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at > SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM > > > X-Message: #8 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: Paddy Chitty > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> Subject: > RE: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville Content-Type: > TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Peter & Gabe, > > I know I mentioned this to Jan but do not think I posted it to the > list. My Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses of Harford, MD, married Mary SECORD > in 1808 here in Ontario, Canada. Mary SECORD is a descendant of > Ambroise SICARD > of New Rochelle, New York who was a contemporary of Dr. Jean de > Neufville. I have often wondered if the families were acquainted some > 100 years earlier in N.Y. Just some food for thought. > > Paddy > > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 > Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY > Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM > > > X-Message: #1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:12:38 -0500 (EST) > From: Jan & David Faulkner <[email protected]> To: > [email protected] > Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: > Re: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Gabe and Peter, > > What a great find on your line! I hope someone will post the letter > Nonette's family has. > > The SC Huguenots (and GA descendants), after they fled persecution in > France, were in Switzerland, Holland, England, Scotland and Ireland, > among other places, where they found refuge with or through other > protestants before coming to this country. Some records of the de > Neufvilles in Charleston, SC are confusing because one may show a > person b. in England or France and another show him b. in SC. The > Huguenots were pretty clannish at first. It probably would not have > been unusual for them to call themselves French two or three > generations after they arrived in this country. > > Has anyone interested in the de Neufville (sometimes > Neuville/Neaville) family ever contacted the folks at Heritage Papers > in GA? Mary Bondurant Warren, who was head of that organization until > she retired, spent quite a bit of time running down connections of > Huguenots here and in Europe. I think she could have some information > on the de Neufvilles. While I don't know for sure that the NY de > Neufvilles were related to the SC group, many of the family names were > the same and according to what I have read, the Huguenots moved in and > out of settlements up and down the coast. You can probably find the > Heritage Papers address on-line. > > Jan > > ______________________________ > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Please do NOT send attachments to the list.

Hi, again all, I may have missed it but has anyone ever posted a list of George Washington Neville and Rachel Killebrew's children? I know they had: Robert Buckner Neville (1822-1909) Elizabeth Earle Neville, m a Mr. Smith but they also may have had at least 2 other sons James, and maybe Charles? who ended up in Tazewell Co. IL. Anyone have this list and in birth order? Donna

This is a continuation of a transcription of part of the first 2 pages of "Recollections of My Life" by J. B. Killebrew. This begins after the author has described his paternal grandmother, Mary Whitfield's (wife of 1 Buckner Killebrew, 2 Joseph Neville, mother of Rachel Killebrew who married George Washington Neville) ancestry. He goes on to speak of William Whitfield 3rd. "Her father gave to each one of his 29 children property valued at $10,000. With this amount my grandmother and grandfather (Mary Whitfield and Buckner Killebrew) when they moved to Tennessee were considered persons of wealth and exercised an influence accordingly." He goes on about their lifestyle, reputation for hospitality etc. Then later (on p. 2) speaks about Mary Whitfield and Buckner Killebrew's children: "Her children, taken in order of their ages were Rachel, William, Edwin, Betsy, Sallie, James, Mary (or Pollie), Whitfield, Buckner, and Bryan Whitfield --- ten in all, my father being the youngest. Rachel married George Neville, a brother of my grandmother's second husband; Betsy married Noble Osburn, and lived and died on a farm three miles distant; Sallie married Jo. Williams, and lived and died in the neighborhood; Pollie married Mr. Radford and lived in Christian Co. KY. Of the boys, William first married a Miss Johnson, and afterwards a Miss Barry, of Irish origin, and one of the most accomplished women in a literary point of view that ever lived in Tennessee. Her father Daniel Barry was a very noted classical scholar and was educated at the university of Dublin. He and J. D. Tyler taught school for many years in Montgomery County, giving a high standard to the scholarly acquirements of the people of that county which has continued to the present. [1886] William moved to Mississippi where he died. Wm. H. Killebrew of Montgomery County is his grandson. Edwin married a Miss Mary Williams, the sister of Joseph Williams, who married his [Edwin's] sister Sallie. They lived and died on a farm lying on the Clarksville and Hopkinsville turnpike about six miles from the former place. James married a Miss Barry, the sister of William's second wife and removed to Mississippi where he died. His wife was also a woman of high culture and great accomplishments. Whittirld [sic] Killebrew married a Miss Fannie Johnson when she was only fourteen years of age. Her first child Mary Ann was born the day she was fifteen years of age. The raised eight daughters, all beautiful, well bred women. Their farm and residence were on Spring Creek near the place where New York or Cobb's, now Ferguson Mills are situated." [He goes on extensively about Whitfield Killebrew] then, "Bryan Whitfield Killebrew, the youngest of the family had a twin sister whoi died in infancy." [He goes on at length about Bryan Whitfiedls engineering accomplishments] then, "Bryan married Miss Elizabeth Smith Ligon, the daughter of Matthew Ligon, April 2nd., 1829 when she was a little more than 18 years of age." the next two pages provide details on the author's own family." I know this has been long but hope it proves of interest to some of the George Washington Neville-Rachel Killebrew descendants. Jan it also sounds like a tie in with the Missisippi Killebrew researchers you've corresponded with. Sincerely, Donna

[email protected] wrote: > Thanks Ryan. I'm surprised that the Nat'l Huguenot Society said that > there were no members under the Neufville name. > > The List of "Currently Approved Qualified Huguenot Ancestors" on the > National Huguenot Society's website lists a Sebastien de Neufville. > It is listed under "D" rather than "N"; maybe they just looked under > "N" when you wrote to them. Why don't we both write to NHS and see > what happens. Good thinking. I checked my correspondence and I did list the name as NEUFVILLE and not DE NEUFVILLE so perhaps they did look in the wrong place. -- Ryan http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/e/a/Ryan-D-Neaveill/

Paddy, That's interesting. In the last analysis, we may all be stuck working with circumstantial evidence in this line. Gabe > ---------- > From: Paddy Chitty[SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville > > Peter & Gabe, > > I know I mentioned this to Jan but do not think I posted it to the list. > My Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses of Harford, MD, married Mary SECORD in 1808 > here in Ontario, Canada. Mary SECORD is a descendant of Ambroise SICARD > of New Rochelle, New York who was a contemporary of Dr. Jean de Neufville. > > I have often wondered if the families were acquainted some 100 years > earlier in N.Y. Just some food for thought. > > Paddy > > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Have you tried Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet? > http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm >

Hello to all this New Year! When I was in Knoxville, TN recently I had the joy to examine the two volumes of a book called "Recollections of My Life" by J. B. Killebrew. The first four pages of Vol. 1 were a wealth of information for those of you descended from George Washington Neville and Rachel Killebrew. If you would like these pages in their entirety you may send .15 X 4 pages plus .55 for postage to the Genealogical collection of the Knoxville-Knox County Public Library. At any rate, several questions were answered that I had puzzled about. First of all, in my gggrandfather's (Robert Buckner Neville) obitutary, it was stated that Robert Buckner Neville was the son of George Washington Neville and the grandson of " Joe Nevile, a native of SC". It is well documented that George Washington Neville was the son of George Neville who m. Rachel Earle in VA so this has always seemed weird to me. Jan suggested that they were just confusing George with George WAshington's brother, Joseph B. Neville. It turns out Jan is right and the confusion seems rather logical given this statement from the Killebrew document: "My grandfather Killebrew (he is referring to Buckner Killebrew, father of Rachel who married George W.) died several years anterior to my birth, and my grandmother, after a few years married Joseph Neville, a highly respected citizen and descended of a noble English family. She continued to reside on the old homestead until her death August 24, 1843." So, Joesph B. Neville married Mary Whitfield Killebrew, widow of Buckner Killebrew and in so doing he became his brother George Washington Neville's stepfather-in-law. Since Joseph married Rachel Killebrew's mother the intergenerational mix-up is somewhat logical. The other question answered for me is where did the Buckner come from in my gggrandfather's name, he was named for his grandfather on his mother's side. The beginning of this document gives some other great information so i will reproduce part here: Chapter I- My Father's Family My father's name was Bryan Whitfield Killebrew. His father, Buckner Killebrew, was born in Edgecombe County, N.C., April 11th, 1753. After his marriage he settled in Duplin County from which place he removed to to Tennessee in 1795 or 1796 and settled on Spring Creek in Montgomery [Co., TN.] where he resided up to the time of his death, July 15th, 1824. My father's mother was Mary Whitfield, the daughter of William Whitfield 3rd., and the grand-daughter of a Revolutionary Captain whose father was also William. William Whitfield3rd, was a man of wealth and influence, who lived on the Neuse River fifty five miles above New Bern... He was father of 29 children, having married four times. My paternal grandmother was one of those by his first wife whose maiden name was Hester Williams. My father's mother was born June 4th, 1765." There is more here which I will transcribe and post later on today. Donna

Found this list on the net. I'll send a "Neufville/Neville" letter of inquiry to all of them. American French Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2113 PAWTUCKET, RI 02861 Huguenot Historical Assn. 938 North Ave. NEW ROCHELLE, NY 10804 Huguenot Historical Society 938 North Ave. P.O. Box 339 New Paltz, NY 12561-0339 Huguenot Historical Society Home Page Huguenot Memorial Society Oxford Archives 12 Rexhame Rd., WORCESTER, MA 01606 Huguenot Memorial Society of Oxford 195 Henry St. MANCHESTER, CT 06040 Huguenot Society of Oxford 44 Day St. W. GRANBY, MA 01606 Huguenot Society of America 938 North Ave. 122 E. 58th St. NEW YORK, NY Huguenot Society of Michigan 505 Hanselman Bldg. KALAMAZOO, MI 49001 Huguenot Society of New Jersey 8 English Village CRANFORD, NJ 07016 Huguenot Society of Pennsylvania 130 Locust St. PHILADELPHIA, PA Huguenot Society of South Carolina 25 Chalmers St. CHARLESTON, SC 29401 Huguenot Society of the Founders of Manakin in the Colony of Virginia Library and Old Huguenot Church Bldg. 981 Huguenot Trail MIDLOTHAN, VA 23113-9224 Appointments and Resarch Library: (804) 355-3596 or (804) 794-5702 National Huguenot Society Hearst Hall Washington National Cathedral, Wisconsin Ave. & Woodley Rd., NW WASHINGTON, DC 20016. Peter Neville

Thanks Ryan. I'm surprised that the Nat'l Huguenot Society said that there were no members under the Neufville name. The List of "Currently Approved Qualified Huguenot Ancestors" on the National Huguenot Society's website lists a Sebastien de Neufville. It is listed under "D" rather than "N"; maybe they just looked under "N" when you wrote to them. Why don't we both write to NHS and see what happens. Sebastien de Neufville is listed at http://huguenot.netnation.com/ancestor/letters/d.html Peter Neville ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:13:11 -0600 From: "Ryan D. Neaveill" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Jean de Neufville (NY) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [email protected] wrote: > Ryan, > > I don't think I ever thanked you for posting all that info on Jean de > Neufville several months ago. Thanks! > > Did you ever hear back from the National Hugeunot Society re: Jean de > Neufville and family? The NHS wasn't very helpful. They sent me several references from various books. They said no one had joined the society under the Neufville name. ______________________________

Thanks for the lead Jan. I haven't been able to find the Heritage Papers in Georgia yet; still trying. Here are some tid bits of Huguenot and NY/MD info. off the top of my head & a few notes that I happen to have close at hand. If anyone can add anything, please do. Huguenots to Virgina and Maryland: --------------------------------- http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/hugship.htm lists about 300 French Huguenots that arrived in Virginia in 1700 on the MARY & ANN and the PETER & ANTHONY. I wonder how many more ship, etc. came to the region in that time period. I've written to the woman who posted the info to ask. - Huguenot Refugees on Board Ship Mary and Ann, August 12, 1700, Virginia, James City. - from London to James River in Virginia, being French Refugees imbarqued in the ship ye Peter and Anthony, Galley of London, Daniel Perreau Commander (viz't) 20th of Sept. 1700). Lord Baltimore issued a letter inviting French Huguenots (and other persecuted protestants) to come settle in Maryland. I believe that this was in the mid 1700s though. I'll double check. New York/Maryland connections: ----------------------------- Augustine Herman, founder/big cheese of "Bohemia Manor" established in Cecil county, MD in the mid-1600s was from New York. Though German (or something) himself, he joined and was married in the Dutch Reform Church up there. When he came to Cecil Co, according to George Johnston's History of Cecil County, he brought a bunch of people (presumably New Yorkers) with him. He continued to have dealings with and travel to New York as did his successors. The Labadist religous sect/group (a short lived group starting in the 1680s) that set up on Bohemia Manor came to Cecil Co from New York via Herman family connections. Does anyone know if New Yorkers were recruited to the Labadist colony? Does anyone know of any records of members of the Labadist colony? If I remember right, in the 1650s Peter Stuyvesant (up in New York) replaced Fort Nassau in New Jersey with Fort Casimir (New Castle, Delaware) as the main Dutch settlement outside of what is now New York. The Dutch finally lose everything in the 3rd Anglo Dutch War in the 1670s when, I presume, Fort Casimir becomes English New Castle. New Castle Delaware is only about 20 miles from Cecil County and, according to George Johnston, was one of if not thee main sea-going port for Cecil County commerce. I would guess that the Dutch that remained in New Castle continued to have extensive dealings with New York after the English victory. Bottom line, my guess is that between the Herman family in Cecil county, the Dutch in Delaware, and maybe the Labadists, there was a lot of contact with New York. I just checked out a book on "The French Presence in Maryland, 1524-1800" from the NGS Library. We'll see what that reveals. Peter Neville ____________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM X-Message: #8 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: Paddy Chitty <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Peter & Gabe, I know I mentioned this to Jan but do not think I posted it to the list. My Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses of Harford, MD, married Mary SECORD in 1808 here in Ontario, Canada. Mary SECORD is a descendant of Ambroise SICARD of New Rochelle, New York who was a contemporary of Dr. Jean de Neufville. I have often wondered if the families were acquainted some 100 years earlier in N.Y. Just some food for thought. Paddy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jan & David Faulkner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gabe and Peter, What a great find on your line! I hope someone will post the letter Nonette's family has. The SC Huguenots (and GA descendants), after they fled persecution in France, were in Switzerland, Holland, England, Scotland and Ireland, among other places, where they found refuge with or through other protestants before coming to this country. Some records of the de Neufvilles in Charleston, SC are confusing because one may show a person b. in England or France and another show him b. in SC. The Huguenots were pretty clannish at first. It probably would not have been unusual for them to call themselves French two or three generations after they arrived in this country. Has anyone interested in the de Neufville (sometimes Neuville/Neaville) family ever contacted the folks at Heritage Papers in GA? Mary Bondurant Warren, who was head of that organization until she retired, spent quite a bit of time running down connections of Huguenots here and in Europe. I think she could have some information on the de Neufvilles. While I don't know for sure that the NY de Neufvilles were related to the SC group, many of the family names were the same and according to what I have read, the Huguenots moved in and out of settlements up and down the coast. You can probably find the Heritage Papers address on-line. Jan ______________________________

Thank you Jerry! That means that, depending on where in Baltimore county these early 1700s Nevills and Richardsons were, they may have been in what became Harford County and very near Cecil Co. Peter Neville ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:03:48 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] early Nevells & Richardsons Cecil/Balt. Counties Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Peter: "The Handbook for Genealogists, USA," eighth edition, says Harford County, MD, was created in 1773 from Baltimore County. Jerry Dalton __________________

I went to NGS last night and looked up the Edward Nowell records in Dorchester County, MD; they don't support the case that he is the same Edward as Edward Nevel of Cecil County. But, they don't disprove the case either...as far as I can see. Ed Noweel of Dorchester records are dated 1750 and 1754. That's considerably later than the 1699 Edward Nevel of Dor. Co. record and presumably after Edward Nevill/Nevell/Newill of Cecil Co, MD (?-ca. 1756) was fairly settled up in Cecil. HOWEVER, the Dor Co records below identify Ed Nowell as a Mariner so he was probably literally "floating around up and down the coasts of Maryland". Edward has been recorded as Newill in Cecil County in 1724. Edward of Cecil is recorded in the 1720s as having a wife named Mary. Edward Noell of Dorchester has a wife named Elizabeth in the 1750. Tradition holds that Edward of Cecil died in 1756; I suppose its possible that Mary died and he married Elizabeth but alot more research would be needed to make that claim. NEXT STEP: I need to go through more Queen Anne County Nowells to see if I can definitively establish that Walter Nowell and Walter Nevill are the same guy through identifying names of spouses, children etc of each. Also need to find other records on Edward of Dorchester. Any suggestions from the real genealogists out there? Peter Neville Abstracts of the Land Records of Dorchester Co Maryland, James A. McAllister Jr. Vol D 14 old 442/Oct 1 1750/ William Trippe of Dorchester County, Gent. To his 2 sons Edward and Henry Trippe, and his dau Elizabeth the wife of Edward Noell: slaves and personal property. Wit: William Murray, James Murray. Acknowledged before William Murray. 15 old 99/March 4, 1754/ William Meredith and Lettice his wife of the Colony of Virginia in King and Queen County in Parish of Strayton, Gent. to EDWARD NOWELL of Dorchester County, Mariner: part of tract called "NOWELL's Plantation" on Choptank River, adj. "Harwoods Chance" and "St. Anthonys" and containing 300 a. more or less. William Byus and John Trippe or either of them, named Attorneys for grantors to acknowledge deed. Wit: James Noell, Michael Edwards. Proved by wit and acknowledged by Wiliam Byus and John Trippe, Attorneys, March 19 1754 before Thomas Macheel (?) And James Cox Gray Justices. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #4 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 1/7/99 2:25 AM X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:36:28 -0500 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: [NEVILLE-L] Queen Anne County, MD Walter Nevill/Nowell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" The following Queen Anne County records are interesting: Queen Anne County, Maryland Land Records, Book 1. Compiled by R. Bernice Leonard. 1997. 1 Jan. 1710. Walter Lodge and Anne his wife of Queen Anne County, Chirurgeon, to WALTER NOWELL, Planter, - consideration 2000 pounds of tobacco - 70 acres, part of "Southampton," south side of Chester River, north side of Hambleton's Branch - adjoining "Ashton." Wit: Nocholas Clouds, Timothy Manials. Acknowledged 22 August 1711 before Solomon Wright and John Whittington, Justices. p. 18 13 September 1712. Walter Lodge, Chyrurgion, and Ann his wife, to WALTER NEVILL, Planter - consideration 4,000 pounds of tobacco - part of "Southampton" adjoining "Ashton," laid out for Stephen Tully. Wits: Nicholas Clouds, Sr., John Morphey. 18 April 1715 Acknowledged by Walter and Ann Lodge before John Whittington. p. 40. It looks to me like Walter Nowell and Walter Nevill are the same guy. There are a number of Nowell records in Queen Anne that I haven't copied yet. Of interest to Edward Nevil of Cecil county researchers, there are lots of Nowells in Dorchester County where an Edward Nevel shows up in 1699. 1699. Edward Johnson, Inventory 26 - 07 - 0, Sanison (?) ____, Edward Nevell appointed, Dorchester Co. (MD Archives. Liber 18.A, Folio 62, Roll 77-2) If Walter Nowell and Walter Nevill are the same, could Edward Nevell and Edward Nowell be the same? Edward NOWELL. Vol D, p. 93. ABSTRACTS OF THE LAND RECORDS OF DORCHESTER CO MARYLAND, James A. McAllister Jr. (haven't looked up this records yet, don't know the date). This renews my interest in the 1692 attorney William Nowell of Cecil County. Notes from HISTORY OF CECIL COUNTY MARYLAND, by George Johnston p. 83 "One WILLIAM NOWELL also prayed to be re-admitted [as an attorney to practice in court], and promised to remove the causes that had led to his suspension, which seemed to be the fact that he had refused to take the oath of alliance and supremacy". (Neville's note: I'll have to double check, but I think the year was 1692) p. 144 "The citizens of Cecil County sent a petition which was signed by ninteen of the inhabitants, of none of whom anything is known at this time, except George Oldfield, Casparus Hermen, WILLIAM NOWELL, and York Yorkson". p. 144 "WILLIAM NOWELL was a lawyer. He refused to take the oath of alliance and supremacy, for which the courts stopped him from practicing; but probably readmitted him for the minutes of the court show, as before stated, that he promised to remove the cause of disability". p 117. "Att ye court held for Cecil County ye 8th day of January in the 9th year of the dominion of ye right hon'ble Charles &c, annoq Dominic 1683. Present George Talbot, Esq...Wm. Dare, of Cecil County, gent, appointed & put in to be high sheriff...May ye 23d, 1684. Then came WILLIAM NOWELL and took the oath of an under-sheriff..." Here are some of the Nowell records from Dorchester County: ABSTRACTS OF THE LAND RECORDS OF DORCHESTER CO MARYLAND, James A. McAllister Jr. 4 old 70/Jan 20 1689/90 James Nowell of Dorchester county, planter and Margaret his wife to John Harwood same county, carpenter: "Nowell's Pokety" called "Chance" formerly laid out for Anthony Le Compte. Wit: Phill Pitt, Margaret Bleth. Acknowledged Mar 4 1689/90 before Henry Trippe and John Brooke. Thomas Pattison, clerk. Vol A, p. 58. 5 old 3/Aug 15 1692/ John Harwood of Dorchester County, inholder, to Elizabeth NOWELL of Dorchester County, spinster, 100 a. in Talbot Co. Wit: Charles Powell, John Hassllwood. Ack: Sept 6 1692 by John Harwood to Elizabeth NOWELL, dau of James NOWELL and Margarett his wife. Hughy Eccleston, clk. Vol. B, p. 5 5 old 151/Jun 6 1699/James NOWELL Senr. Of Dorchester County, planter, to his son John NOWELL of Dorchester Co, planter: 150 a. called "NOWELL's Pockety" on the north side of Monsieurs Creek of Great Chaptank river, anj land laid out for Anthony leCompte called "Chance". If said John dies w/o lawful issue, said land to revert to doner. Ackn: Mar 6, 1699. Vol B 6 old 83/Aug 5 1706/Deposition of James NOWELL & Margret his wife re bounds of "NOWELL's Pockety" on Monsieurs Creek. Sworn to before Richard Owen. Hugh Eccleston, clk. 6 old 95/Dec 10 1706/James NOWELL wit to John Perry of ______ land to John Harwood. Vol B 6 old 215/Feb 8 1713/John Harwood of Dorchester Co, "boterite" to James NOWELL Junr of the same County, carpenter: "saw box" adj "Five Pines" and containing 50 a. more or less. Wit: John leCompte, John King. Ackn Mar 9, 1713. Vol B. More to be copied in Vol B 9 old 126/Nov 14 1733/James NOELL of Dorchester Co to Bozell NOELL of Dorchester County, "Saw Box" on the south side of Choptank River, adj "Dever's Choice" and "Five Pines" and containing 50 a. Wit: Henry Trippe, John White. Ackn Nov 14, 1733 in Court. Cha Goldborough Clerk. Vol C. More to be copied from Vol C. Grist for the mill... Peter Neville ______________________________

---------- From: Laura McKenzie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Francis Neville Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:59 AM Rats, got my hopes up there for just one minute when I saw the subject on my e-mail list! I have to tell you Neville researchers something. Even though I haven't found my Frances I have learned so much from you and appreciate all the kind help, good ideas and great company! By looking for Frances I found out more about my Lemaster, Bryan, Van Hoose, Brown, Lewis, Auxier, Jones, Craig, Ramey, Enoch, Friend, Williams, Davis, Anderson families than I ever thought possible. Thanks folks, Laura (still looking for a Frances Neville--married name or maiden name------- born 1700-20 living in Hampshire County VA 1740-1780 married to a Daniel Brown with children Nathaniel, Thomas, Daniel, Elizabeth (Kuykendall), Sarah, Ann.) ---------- > From: Glenn Gohr <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NEVILLE-L] Francis Neville > Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 5:23 AM > > I am forwarding this message which was sent to the Neville Origins List. > That list is set up for Nevilles outside of the U.S. & Canada. Since this > mentions Massachusetts it should be on this list. ......etc.....

Peter & Gabe, I know I mentioned this to Jan but do not think I posted it to the list. My Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses of Harford, MD, married Mary SECORD in 1808 here in Ontario, Canada. Mary SECORD is a descendant of Ambroise SICARD of New Rochelle, New York who was a contemporary of Dr. Jean de Neufville. I have often wondered if the families were acquainted some 100 years earlier in N.Y. Just some food for thought. Paddy

Jan: Good lead. Thanks. Gabe > ---------- > From: Jan & David Faulkner[SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 10:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville > > Gabe and Peter, > > What a great find on your line! I hope someone will post the letter > Nonette's family has. > > The SC Huguenots (and GA descendants), after they fled persecution in > France, were in Switzerland, Holland, England, Scotland and Ireland, among > other places, where they found refuge with or through other protestants > before coming to this country. Some records of the de Neufvilles in > Charleston, SC are confusing because one may show a person b. in England > or > France and another show him b. in SC. The Huguenots were pretty clannish > at > first. It probably would not have been unusual for them to call themselves > French two or three generations after they arrived in this country. > > Has anyone interested in the de Neufville (sometimes Neuville/Neaville) > family ever contacted the folks at Heritage Papers in GA? Mary Bondurant > Warren, who was head of that organization until she retired, spent quite a > bit of time running down connections of Huguenots here and in Europe. I > think she could have some information on the de Neufvilles. While I don't > know for sure that the NY de Neufvilles were related to the SC group, many > of the family names were the same and according to what I have read, the > Huguenots moved in and out of settlements up and down the coast. You can > probably find the Heritage Papers address on-line. > > Jan > > > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Visit the Neville Heritage Society Home Page: > http://www.prairienet.org/neville/ >

She has promised to do so. I'll transcribe and post when I receive it. Gabe > ---------- > From: [email protected][SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 5:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/IMPORTANT DISCOVERY! > > Gabe, > > It really would be helpful if Ms. Swedberg would send the contents of > that letter so it could be posted. > > Shirley > > > On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:43:02 -0500 "Neville, Gabe" > <[email protected]> writes: > >Edward Neville descendants: > > > >Here's an exciting email I received the other day! This is the first > >concrete evidence we have that our line is French. One problem: > >Dorothy > >Kimbrel's theory that Edward was the son of John Neville, and grandson > >of > >Dr. Jean deNeufville makes a little less sense to me in light of this > >letter. Would deNeufville's great-grandson still identify himself as > >French > >a century later? I doubt it. I'm starting to place more credence in > >the > >suggestion that Edward was the original immigrant...this seems, > >certainly, > >to suggest that very strongly. > > > >Here's the email I received (there's a follow-up email I'll post > >seperately): > > > >> It was exciting, with my first try at Geneology "on line" to find > >others > >> who > >> have completed the same research on their ancestors. > >> My gggg grandfather, Joseph Neville, born 1794 in Maryland, is > >brother to > >> your > >> John S. Nevill. > >> Most of my information came from a letter written by my great great > >> grandfather, Wilson Neville b. 15 Aug 1816 in Diamond Township, Ohio > >to > >> his > >> son, Samuel Neville in 1874. In this letter, he listed all of the > >family > >> members he knew anything about. He said that Joseph's father was > >"french > >> or > >> born in France". We know that he was born in Md. but this does > >strengthen > >> the > >> belief that this branch of the Neville's came from France. > >> I would be pleased to correspond further with you and to forward you > >> copies of > >> any of my information you might want. > >> My research ends exactly where you are - Edward and Mary in Md. > >> Looking forward to hearing from you > >> > >> Nonette Swedberg > >> > > > > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > >Have you tried the Rootsweb Surname Helper Search Engine? > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Archived postings to the NEVILLE mailing list can be found on the WEB at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

[email protected] wrote: > Ryan, > > I don't think I ever thanked you for posting all that info on Jean de > Neufville several months ago. Thanks! > > Did you ever hear back from the National Hugeunot Society re: Jean de > Neufville and family? The NHS wasn't very helpful. They sent me several references from various books. They said no one had joined the society under the Neufville name.

The following Queen Anne County records are interesting: Queen Anne County, Maryland Land Records, Book 1. Compiled by R. Bernice Leonard. 1997. 1 Jan. 1710. Walter Lodge and Anne his wife of Queen Anne County, Chirurgeon, to WALTER NOWELL, Planter, - consideration 2000 pounds of tobacco - 70 acres, part of "Southampton," south side of Chester River, north side of Hambleton's Branch - adjoining "Ashton." Wit: Nocholas Clouds, Timothy Manials. Acknowledged 22 August 1711 before Solomon Wright and John Whittington, Justices. p. 18 13 September 1712. Walter Lodge, Chyrurgion, and Ann his wife, to WALTER NEVILL, Planter - consideration 4,000 pounds of tobacco - part of "Southampton" adjoining "Ashton," laid out for Stephen Tully. Wits: Nicholas Clouds, Sr., John Morphey. 18 April 1715 Acknowledged by Walter and Ann Lodge before John Whittington. p. 40. It looks to me like Walter Nowell and Walter Nevill are the same guy. There are a number of Nowell records in Queen Anne that I haven't copied yet. Of interest to Edward Nevil of Cecil county researchers, there are lots of Nowells in Dorchester County where an Edward Nevel shows up in 1699. 1699. Edward Johnson, Inventory 26 - 07 - 0, Sanison (?) ____, Edward Nevell appointed, Dorchester Co. (MD Archives. Liber 18.A, Folio 62, Roll 77-2) If Walter Nowell and Walter Nevill are the same, could Edward Nevell and Edward Nowell be the same? Edward NOWELL. Vol D, p. 93. ABSTRACTS OF THE LAND RECORDS OF DORCHESTER CO MARYLAND, James A. McAllister Jr. (haven't looked up this records yet, don't know the date). This renews my interest in the 1692 attorney William Nowell of Cecil County. Notes from HISTORY OF CECIL COUNTY MARYLAND, by George Johnston p. 83 "One WILLIAM NOWELL also prayed to be re-admitted [as an attorney to practice in court], and promised to remove the causes that had led to his suspension, which seemed to be the fact that he had refused to take the oath of alliance and supremacy". (Neville's note: I'll have to double check, but I think the year was 1692) p. 144 "The citizens of Cecil County sent a petition which was signed by ninteen of the inhabitants, of none of whom anything is known at this time, except George Oldfield, Casparus Hermen, WILLIAM NOWELL, and York Yorkson". p. 144 "WILLIAM NOWELL was a lawyer. He refused to take the oath of alliance and supremacy, for which the courts stopped him from practicing; but probably readmitted him for the minutes of the court show, as before stated, that he promised to remove the cause of disability". p 117. "Att ye court held for Cecil County ye 8th day of January in the 9th year of the dominion of ye right hon'ble Charles &c, annoq Dominic 1683. Present George Talbot, Esq...Wm. Dare, of Cecil County, gent, appointed & put in to be high sheriff...May ye 23d, 1684. Then came WILLIAM NOWELL and took the oath of an under-sheriff..." Here are some of the Nowell records from Dorchester County: ABSTRACTS OF THE LAND RECORDS OF DORCHESTER CO MARYLAND, James A. McAllister Jr. 4 old 70/Jan 20 1689/90 James Nowell of Dorchester county, planter and Margaret his wife to John Harwood same county, carpenter: "Nowell's Pokety" called "Chance" formerly laid out for Anthony Le Compte. Wit: Phill Pitt, Margaret Bleth. Acknowledged Mar 4 1689/90 before Henry Trippe and John Brooke. Thomas Pattison, clerk. Vol A, p. 58. 5 old 3/Aug 15 1692/ John Harwood of Dorchester County, inholder, to Elizabeth NOWELL of Dorchester County, spinster, 100 a. in Talbot Co. Wit: Charles Powell, John Hassllwood. Ack: Sept 6 1692 by John Harwood to Elizabeth NOWELL, dau of James NOWELL and Margarett his wife. Hughy Eccleston, clk. Vol. B, p. 5 5 old 151/Jun 6 1699/James NOWELL Senr. Of Dorchester County, planter, to his son John NOWELL of Dorchester Co, planter: 150 a. called "NOWELL's Pockety" on the north side of Monsieurs Creek of Great Chaptank river, anj land laid out for Anthony leCompte called "Chance". If said John dies w/o lawful issue, said land to revert to doner. Ackn: Mar 6, 1699. Vol B 6 old 83/Aug 5 1706/Deposition of James NOWELL & Margret his wife re bounds of "NOWELL's Pockety" on Monsieurs Creek. Sworn to before Richard Owen. Hugh Eccleston, clk. 6 old 95/Dec 10 1706/James NOWELL wit to John Perry of ______ land to John Harwood. Vol B 6 old 215/Feb 8 1713/John Harwood of Dorchester Co, "boterite" to James NOWELL Junr of the same County, carpenter: "saw box" adj "Five Pines" and containing 50 a. more or less. Wit: John leCompte, John King. Ackn Mar 9, 1713. Vol B. More to be copied in Vol B 9 old 126/Nov 14 1733/James NOELL of Dorchester Co to Bozell NOELL of Dorchester County, "Saw Box" on the south side of Choptank River, adj "Dever's Choice" and "Five Pines" and containing 50 a. Wit: Henry Trippe, John White. Ackn Nov 14, 1733 in Court. Cha Goldborough Clerk. Vol C. More to be copied from Vol C. Grist for the mill... Peter Neville

Gabe and Peter, What a great find on your line! I hope someone will post the letter Nonette's family has. The SC Huguenots (and GA descendants), after they fled persecution in France, were in Switzerland, Holland, England, Scotland and Ireland, among other places, where they found refuge with or through other protestants before coming to this country. Some records of the de Neufvilles in Charleston, SC are confusing because one may show a person b. in England or France and another show him b. in SC. The Huguenots were pretty clannish at first. It probably would not have been unusual for them to call themselves French two or three generations after they arrived in this country. Has anyone interested in the de Neufville (sometimes Neuville/Neaville) family ever contacted the folks at Heritage Papers in GA? Mary Bondurant Warren, who was head of that organization until she retired, spent quite a bit of time running down connections of Huguenots here and in Europe. I think she could have some information on the de Neufvilles. While I don't know for sure that the NY de Neufvilles were related to the SC group, many of the family names were the same and according to what I have read, the Huguenots moved in and out of settlements up and down the coast. You can probably find the Heritage Papers address on-line. Jan