We have some people who have joined the list since the following note was forwarded to the Neville list. Has anyone come across Candis Nevill/Nevels/Navals in AR or anywhere else in 1860 or 1870? I haven't located her on a census. Jan -------------------------------------------- Hi! Just saw your message on the MSGen page. My great-aunt, Martha Jane Harvill married Albert G. Nevels (Nevill) in Dallas Co., AR, around 1842. She died; don't know about him. Children William and Candis moved to Ashley Co., AR with grandparents in 1867; at least, Candis did; not sure about William. Any connection? Candis's name is spelled many ways, including Navals. Location might help your search. I haven't researched Nevels. Hello again! Received your e-mail. I gave you the wrong date on the marriage of Martha J. Harvill and Albert G. Nevels in Dallas County, Ar. Typo on my part. It was June 15, 1852, not '42. So he should be on a census with his family in 1850, probably. I don't have access to that census at the moment.

I do not recall any discussion of the record below. To my mind, this seems to establish some sort of connection between the Charles Co. William Nevill accused of bigamy who married Sarah Noble 28 Oct 1694 (i.e. "Sarah of Salem") and the prominent Queen Anne County Nevilles of the 1700s. "In 1694 Wiliam Nevill conveyed to Sarah Noble the 64th lot in the town of Westchester together with a forty by twenty feet dwelling house" (I didn't copy the source, I know exactly where the book is at DAR, I'll get the source next trip). Hmmm...In the same year (1694, 26 March) William Nevill and wife Jane of Talbot Co. (the northern part of which became Queen Ann County) sold to John Salter lots in the town of Westchester at the forks of Chester River [Talbot Co. land Rec. L.L. #7, p99-100]. Maybe William Sr. was married to Jane and William Jr. was gettin ready to mary Sarah Noble. Or maybe William gave a house to his girlfriend Sarah N? Peter Neville Note: Westchester was (to the best of my knowledge) formally laid out in 1689 on the Chester river in what eventually became Queen Anne County.

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:50:48 -050 in Email: NEVILLE-L you wrote: : Is that John Neffveile the same as Dr. Jean do you think? Yes Gabe, I believe it is Dr. John DeNeufville. I have in The Huguenot Trails Vol. XXIV, No. 3, Oct. 1991. , pg. 12, a map dated 1867 of New Rochelle which shows many of the early surnames on the properties. The date of Dr. John Neufville (no de before the name) is 1690 and he has 40 acres. There is a space of 145 acres between his property and that of my ancestor Ambroise SICARD which by Canadian standards is about 1 farm and but a short stroll up the road. It Ambroise SICARD's descendant Mary SECORD who married Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses, here in Ontario and who were my direct ancestors. The age of the John Neufville on the 1710 census in Rupps would make it very likely he was the same man. He would have been born c1640 so that would fit nicely with him having the land in 1690. The same article also says New Rochelle was founded in 1688. Do you think knowing the other names on the map would be of any value. I could copy them out if you like and they might strike a chord for someone on the list. Maybe someone else can see a name there that one of their Neville ancestors married. What do you think? It wouldn't be a big job as there aren't many. Paddy

Given Gabe's recent revelation that Edward Nevil was very likely French, I continue to look for Neville/French connections. According to Queen Anne County, MD Seney family researchers, the Seneys where French Huguenots arriving in America about 1727 (see: http://members.aol.com/ciiisiii/claudesgenealogy/seney.htm). The Queen Anne County, MD Nevilles had extensive dealing (land transactions, served together in the Revolution, etc) and intermarried with the Seneys. Solomon SENEY b. abt 1710 d. 1761. 1st m. 1732 to Mary NEVIL in Queen Annes Co. MD. 2nd m. Anne NEVIL. In 1734, Solomon Seney acquired land "next door" to Walter Neville's plantation (same as Walter Nowell?) on the South side of Hambleton's Branch in(QA Co. MD Land Records, Bk 2. Bernice Leonard. 1997) Peter Neville

Patricia, Some of my Nevels have also been rather insular. Sounds like a good case for my group and yours being related <g>. I have a Nevels cousin who says he has noticed the trait of arrogance, too, every time his wife points it out to him. I don't know what the terms "Old Dutch" and "Black Dutch" mean -- a good question for the KY Explorer. I will forward the Nevils discussion directly to you since it has already been on the list. Jan

Barbara, What a disappointment. We've all had similar experiences. Just keep trying other avenues of approach. Shirley ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I just want to report, that I did NOT find what I was looking for!? I got the death certificate of Enoch Neavill Jr.......son of Enoch & Laura Pugh Neavill........grandson of George D. Neavill. * Enoch Neavill Jr. Born Oct 27, 1847 and died Jan 28, 1925. I was hoping to get the birthplace of Enoch Sr. but I think the informant did not know?? The informant looks like C.E. Green, a nephew of Enoch JR. He said Enoch Sr. was born in MO. That doesn't fit with anything. CE Green's father was born in MO. And Enoch SR was there 1834-35. But I am sure Enoch Sr. was not born in MO. He had to be born in either AL or KY? Enoch Sr did appear to die before 1860. Unless he took off and left his family in IL? So maybe 65 years later, a nephew did not know his birthplace? Whoa is me. Maybe there were some Neavill relations still in MO in 1925?? I did not find any of Enoch Sr's other children alive after 1916, when death certificates were required. ____ Barbara McNamer

---------- From: John & Barbara Aramowicz <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Neville Query?? Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:23 PM Well HELLO REY, What a surprise, yes it has been a tough search. John Henry Neville was born in O'Fallon on Jan. 22, 1863, Him and his wife Mary lived at 621 N. Vine St. in O'Fallon. They lived opposite my grandparents, George and Emma Alexander. If you can do a search for me I really would appreciate any and all information you might "dig" up. They had children, Phylis marreid to William Maibes, but she seems to have been married a few times and I am having trouble with her also. They also had another daughter Dorothy Mae/May Who marreid Otto Jung. And Audrey Who married Albert Benesh. They had one son who evidently died at age 2, his name was James Earl Neville. Well anyway I actually grew up in Fairmont City. My wife and I immagrated to Australia back in 1969. So you can imagine how hard it has been for us to work on our family trees. I use to spend my summer holidays at my granparents house in O'Fallon and usually particpated in the annual homecomming parade. What a small world, please keep in touch. Regards, John Perth, W.A. AUSTRALIA [email protected]

---------- From: Paddy Chitty <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 2:36 PM On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:10:01 -0500 in Email: NEVILLE-L you wrote: : Paddy, : That's interesting. In the last analysis, we may all be stuck working with : circumstantial evidence in this line. : Gabe From: A Collection of Upwards of Thirty Thousand Names of German, Swiss, Dutch French and other Immigrants in Pennsylvania From 1727 to 1776 by Prof. Daniel Rupp, pgs. 463-464 "Names of males at New Rochelle in 1710 (New Rochelle in West Chester Co., New York was early settled by Huguenots from Rochelle, a seaport town of France.) Names and ages of males as of Dec. 9, 1710 John Neffveile, 69 Josiah Neffveile 18 James Sycar 34 John Sycar 3 *Daniel Sycar 40 James Sycar Sr. 75 Daniel Sycar Jr. 12 John Sycar 11 Peter Sycar 9 Andrew Sycar 3 *Daniel Sycar is likely my ancestor Daniel SECORD s/o Ambroise SICARD who I mentioned yesterday. Paddy

Is that John Neffveile the same as Dr. Jean do you think? > ---------- > From: Paddy Chitty[SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Neville, Gabe > Subject: RE: [NEVILLE-L] Edward Neville/Jean de Neufville > > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:10:01 -0500 in Email: NEVILLE-L you wrote: > : Paddy, > > : That's interesting. In the last analysis, we may all be stuck working > with > : circumstantial evidence in this line. > > : Gabe > > From: A Collection of Upwards of Thirty Thousand Names of German, Swiss, > Dutch French and other Immigrants in Pennsylvania From 1727 to 1776 > > by Prof. Daniel Rupp, pgs. 463-464 > > "Names of males at New Rochelle in 1710 (New Rochelle in West Chester Co., > New York was early settled by Huguenots from Rochelle, a seaport town of > France.) Names and ages of males as of Dec. 9, 1710 > > John Neffveile, 69 > Josiah Neffveile 18 > James Sycar 34 > John Sycar 3 > *Daniel Sycar 40 > James Sycar Sr. 75 > Daniel Sycar Jr. 12 > John Sycar 11 > Peter Sycar 9 > Andrew Sycar 3 > > *Daniel Sycar is likely my ancestor Daniel SECORD s/o Ambroise SICARD who > I mentioned yesterday. > > Paddy >

I am currently trying to connect my family, which goes back to the Syracuse area, to some of the lines on this list. I have not had ANY time to do this, but now I am salivating. Know that you are not alone in this quest. I will update when I can. -Michael Neville [email protected] [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Neville in N.Y. What an interesting coincidence. We live in O'Fallon, IL and my Neville roots trace back to upstate New York. Johnstown, Rochester, Argusville, Amsterdam. I have been monitoring this newsgroup for two years looking for New York connected Nevilles, but until this posting nothing. I even asked a subscriber who claimed New York roots, but got nothing except certainty that we were not related. I had finally concluded my ggf was entirely alone there, now, perhaps not. Nevertheless, I had no knowledge there were Nevilles here in little O'Fallon (pop 24,000). There are some Nevilles living in Belleville and the surrounding area and apparently have been for some time. One is a rather prominent attorney. I will be glad check locally for your John Henry and see what I can find. Cordially, Rey Neville ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== You may contact the Neville list manager at: mailto:[email protected]

What an interesting coincidence. We live in O'Fallon, IL and my Neville roots trace back to upstate New York. Johnstown, Rochester, Argusville, Amsterdam. I have been monitoring this newsgroup for two years looking for New York connected Nevilles, but until this posting nothing. I even asked a subscriber who claimed New York roots, but got nothing except certainty that we were not related. I had finally concluded my ggf was entirely alone there, now, perhaps not. Nevertheless, I had no knowledge there were Nevilles here in little O'Fallon (pop 24,000). There are some Nevilles living in Belleville and the surrounding area and apparently have been for some time. One is a rather prominent attorney. I will be glad check locally for your John Henry and see what I can find. Cordially, Rey Neville

Yes, it is soon time to renew memberships Thank you for the nudge. I intend to notify those duu for membership renewal as the second issue of the Neville Heritage Review goes out...which will hopefully be soon. Peter Neville Treasurer ============================================================ X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:20:29 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [NEVILLE-L] MEMBERSHIP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think that is has been almost a year since we signed up for membership. Isn't it time to do it again? Even tho I have not been able to find my gggrandmother Elizabeth (Nevel, Nevill etc) b: abt 1852 KY and d: 1885 MO m: to Leroy Brownlow. I have learned so much about researching from being on the List. Thank you so much. Remona Turner, Modesto, CA

Thank you Jan, I do have trouble keeping up with the volume of good information out there. I'm consistently amazed by those who can. Peter ============================================= X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jan & David Faulkner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: [NEVILLE-L] Nowell/Nevill Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peter, Thanks for the great posts of Nowell and Nevill! Your notes do make a case for them perhaps being the same families in the records you cited. If you didn't file the following note from Barbara Jensen in Dec., you might want to now. She found a North Carolina ref. to Richard Nowell in the same area where James and Dorothy Nevill showed up in the late 1600s (Bath/Beaufort Co., NC area). Other Nevills coming to NC with James and Dorothy included Richard. As you know, we have discussed James and Dorothy perhaps being the same two people of that name up in Northampton Co., VA (across the water from Somerset Co., MD) but have found no hard evidence to support the idea yet. Shirley established that James of Norhampton Co., VA was probably the son of Richard Nevell imported by Randall Revell. Jan At 03:01 PM 12/6/98 -0500, Barbara Jensen wrote: >>From "Province of North Carolina 1663-1729 Abstracts of Land Patents" by >Margaret M. Hofmann: >Patent Book One >Page 23 Richard Nowell 1 September 1694 400 acres on little River in >Perquimans Precinct, joining the mouth of a branch, William Tomlin, and >the pocoson of the River. signed Philip Ludwell, Tho. Harvery, Wm. >Wilkison, Francis Tomes, Benj. Laker, Tho. Pollock, Saml. Swann > >Page 147 James Keith 8 September 1707 635 acres at Smyths point, >joining ye branch and Mr. Nevill. signed Thomas Cary, Saml. Swann, >Richd. Sanderson, W. Glover _____________________________

In a message dated 12/22/98 2:27:11 AM, you wrote: <<The Neville Family of England and The United States by Frances Beal Smith Hodges (pub. 1964 by Mrs. John Hart Wilson)>> Shirley, I wonder if by any chance you could look up my Nevilles in your book? I have been stopped in my tracks on so many fronts, the biggest stumbling block being my inability to get to the library or to figure out where to find useful data on the 'net. Is there a good beginner's "where to look for records on the 'net" site that you know of? Here's what I have, by word of mouth: 1. Frank Percy Neville 1857-1925 m Sara C 1864-1928 Their Children: Ena Neville Dec 1888-Apr 1969 m Elijah Lewis Ikard Frank William Percy Cora Virginia Margaret I know more about the descendants of Ena, my husband's grandmother, but all I know about the others you see above. I had some other scribbled notes about Frank Percy, but I hadn't entered them in the computer yet and now I can't find them! But I think it had to do with the John Deere company in the mid- west - IL or IND? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Kate

Yes, Jan, I know Lois via mail and email. We have corresponded and exchanged quite a bit of family information. She is also a member of the Calmes family group -- the Genealogical Society of Versailles (Kentucky) -- which will be holding its 1999 reunion in Chicago in June. I hope she may be able attend as I would enjoy getting to know her. Jerry

I have been watching with anticipation the Neville List in the hope that there might be some connection to my Neville's. Cornelius Neville was originally born in Syracuse N.Y. and migrated down to O'Fallon, St. Clair Co. Illinois. He married Anna Barbara Petzold who was born in Germany. They had at least one son John Henry Neville who was born 22, Dec. 1863 in O'Fallon, St. Clair Co., Illinois. Would anyone on the list know anything about these Neville's Regards, John Aramowicz Perth, W.A. AUSTRALIA [email protected]

Jan & David Faulkner wrote: > > Patricia, > > What an interesting post. My mother has done research on the Melungeons and > has given some programs on them at the library where she works. She became > interested in them when she was researching the Appalachain area of eastern > KY. They lived mainly in the mountains from VA to GA. The doctor's > statement about anemia indicating Melungeon blood is interesting. I asked > mother what she thought, and she said the anemia might have been a type > associated with ethnic groups around the Mediterreanean Sea. Based on what > she has read, she guessed your niece's ancestors have been around this > country for several generations and that some lived in the Appalachain > area. When the blood test indicated a kind of anemia associated with the > mid-Easterners (Turkey, in particular) or southern Europeans, the doctor > could make a pretty good guess about who some of her ancestors might have > been. Mother is basing her speculation on a book she read which was written > by someone who discovered his Melungeon heritage after he was diagnosed with > a lung ailment peculiar to those in the Mediterreanean area. > > If you are descended from the Melungeons, you may have a difficult time > proving it without a DNA test. I read in KY Explorer that a University in > Turkey is now doing those very tests to see if known descendants have DNA in > common with the Turkish people. I guess you know they are said to be quite a > mix, supposedly originating with various nationalities of sailors dropped > off on the Carolina coast by a Spanish ship (or ships) blown off course when > returning to Spain from Cartegena in South America. The sailors, who were > Portuguese and Turkish as well as other ethnicities, gradually moved west > from the coast and integrated with others on the fringes of society, > including the Indians and Anglo-Indians. According to old stories (some > fact, mostly legend), the Melungeons were so different from other races, > they were scorned by all, including the African American slaves. Those with > Melungeon heritage often tried to hide it. It is not likely you will find > that ethnic identity on any census. The article I read in KY Explorer told > of how those of Melungeon descent sometimes have children who look very > different from each other with one having the nose and complexion of a > Turkish native, another looking blond and northern-European, another > appearing Hispanic, and a fourth perhaps having red hair and fair skin > typical of the Irish--all parts of the mix in the mountains. > > One name for Melungeons in KY was Carmelites (or -lights, probably in > reference to the color of their skin). That term has become confused with > Campbellites in some families who were told they were Carmelites. The > Campbellites were a religious group following Alexander Campbell and the > teachings of the Disciples of Christ order (Christian Church today). The > Melungeons were called by many other names, including Turks in the SC > mountains. > > Much is being written about them today, and people are trying to reclaim > their Melungeon heritage (it's amazing how many people in KY are now saying > they think they have Melungeon heritage). Several books have been written > about them, and I understand that information is available on the internet. > > As to possible Cherokee heritage, it too was often hidden in records, > particularly after the removal of the Cherokee to MO and OK. I have > personally found one case of a person known to have been Cherokee who is > listed as white on the census. Have you tried doing research in Native > American records to see if you could find a Sutton-Nevils connection? > > Sorry I can't give you any specifics about your original question about > Mary's heritage. We have had some other list members who were connected with > your George Washington Nevils line. I will be glad to check their e-mail > addresses and send them to you. Have you seen the Nevils history in The > People's History of Claiborne Co., TN. It has some information in it that > seems to be based more on assumptions than facts, but it gives a good idea > of those who may be associated with your group. > > Jan > > > > >A cousin told me Mary Sutton, first wife of George Washington Nevils b. > >1810, and her parents were fullblooded Cherokee. I don't have info to > >support this. I'll ask him where he got the info. He also said we were > >descendants of the Melungeons, but I don't know where or how. Cousin > >seems to have a lot of material, but I doubt if I'll ever see it. He > >had a typed document, probably from handwritten copy, about my > >grgrandfather, George Washington Nevils. Parts of it didn't agree with > >my information, and I really believe mine is correct. My dad visited > >his grandfather, GW Nevils, as a child. He inherited $100 from him when > >his grandfather died in 1913. There are descendants of this Nevils > >family that I believe would never admit to being part Cherokee Indian. > >Thru the years, comments have been made that there was Indian blood in > >my family. > > Melungeons: A doctor asked my niece once if she was a descendant of > >the Melungeons. Her traces of anemia indicated this, so the doctor > >said. Does that tell you anything? > > Pat O'Neal > > > > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > >Have you tried GenConnect? > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index.html > > > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > You may contact the Neville list manager at: > mailto:[email protected] Jan, I appreciate your response re the Melungeons. I have a copy of the Ky Explorer, Sept. 1996, that contains a story about the KY Early Melungeon Settlers. The article said the findings of a 30-member research committee were so compelling that a Turkish TV crew was making visits to families in the mtns. along the KY/VA border in search of Melungeons. The article continues to read: "They were reported to have been here when the first "white" settlers came and were living in cabins, speaking broken Elizabethan English and saying they were Portyghee." Right now the term Melungeon seems to be most strongly associated with the area around Hancock Co, TN, but there are Melungeons and their descendants all over the region" It just happens that my maternal grandfather came from Hancock, TN. Article continues: "...The general area these folks are found in is east Tennessee, southeastern Kentucky, western Virginia and western North Carolina...." (The areas cover both sides of my family.) Reference is made to a book by Dr. N. Brent Kennedy, "The Melungeons, The Resurrection of a Proud People, A Story of Ethnic Cleansing in America." This is my first experience dealing with the Melungeons. I see there's lots to learn. I'm going to quote a portion of an email I received recently from Darrell Rowlett, TX. "...I was in East Tennessee for a week or so during this summer writing, producing, and hosting a documentary titled "Mysterious Melungeons" which will appear on PBS affiliates sometime this spring. It is being presented to the system by WLJT-TV in West Tennessee, but I'm sure that WSJK/WKOP will carry it." Others interested in the Melungeons may take interest in this documentary. Although my mother's family is not the one I felt were descendants of Melungeons, the facts about the variations of characteristics among siblings holds true with her family. My mother was very fair with dark hair, blue eyes, another sister was freckled with red hair, very Irish-looking, and still another always looked to me like she was part Indian. I found this very interesting: "...there are things you can look for. One is "shovel teeth," a curving of the inner surface of the front teeth in a shovel shape. It's a trait common to Native Americans and shows up in many Melungeons." BTW, Dr. Kennedy did this research primarily because of a strange disease that nearly killed him, 'erythema nodosum sarcoidosis.' Symptoms mimic those of arthritis, lupus, glaucoma, Hodgkins disease, and others. The KY Explorer article ends with a long list of names that are the most common Melungeon surnames. This info should be of interest to researchers who think they may have Melungeon heritage. How do you like this: "A government is the only vessel that leaks from the top." Pat O'Neal

Jerry, Do you know Neville list member Lois Boesch? She lives in LA and is a Neville-Calmes descendant, too. Jan At 05:41 PM 1/10/99 EST, you wrote: >Hi, Jan, and thanks for your response and the additional info on JULIAN >NEVILLE. > >In answer to your queries: 1) my maternal 4th great grand mother was LUCY >NEVILLE (17 Jan 170/31-29 Mar 1789), daughter of CAPT. GEORGE NEVILLE and his >second wife, MARY GIBBS. LUCY NEVILLE married WILLIAM WALLER CALMES, I. I >have tried to gather as much info as possible about both LUCY NEVILLE'S >ancestors and descendants. 2) have done practically no NEVILLE research in >Louisiana and was even aware until recently that JULIAN NEVILLE was from New >Orleans. Most of my Louisiana research has been on the BLACK family of >WILLIAM CAWOOD BLACK, whose wife, CORNELIA AUGUSTA CALMES, was the daughter of >WILLIAM WALLER CALMES, II, and thus the great grand daughter of LUCY NEVILLE. > >I exchanged some NEVILLE info with Ren about a year ago. I'll get in touch >with him to see what he might know about JULIAN NEVILLE and his descendants. > >Thanks, again, for the info you sent me. Cheers, best wishes and good >ancestor hunting. Jerry Dalton, Dallas > >

Bob, Have you looked at the soundex for AR, MO, and OK? It's possible some of your group went north from LA before going west. Jan At 09:13 AM 1/10/99 EST, you wrote: >Jan: > >I have not received an answer to my query. WFP is West Feliciana Parish, >Louisiana. I have searched Soundex for them in La and Tx and have found not a >thing. I guess my best bet is to go to WFP and look 'on the spot'. > >Bob Smith > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== >Visit the Neville Heritage Society Home Page: >http://www.prairienet.org/neville/ > >