Millie, There are several Clan Dunbar websites in Alta Vista. I scanned several of them for further reference to the name Nevill, but found nothing else, but I will make you a copy of the flyer I have and mail it to you. Ruth Don or Millie Banks wrote: > > Ruth: Do you have any addditional information on Clan Dunbar? Thanks, > Millie > > ---------- > > From: Ruth Nevels <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Great Grand Father Neville > > Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 11:13 AM > > > > Informatin from CLAN DUNBAR, I quote: "Clan Dunbar was activated in the > > US on April 29, 1979. The goal was to bring long overdue recognation > > and respect to descendants of Gospatric the Earl. Persons eligible by > > blood or marriage are DUNBAR and other descendants of Gospatric the Earl > > including: HOME, DUNDAS, CORBETT, CLUGSTON, NESBIT, NEVILL, WASHINGTON, > > STRICKLAND, HERYING, GRAY, and all spelling variations of each name." > > > > Mark H. Neville wrote: > > > > > > Irish roots? I wondered about the Irish roots as well. My father told > me > > > that his grandfather had a kilt and that it was a Stuart kilt. As I > recall > > > the Stuarts were Scotch. My great grandfather was Andrew Neville > > > (1855-1939) who was married to Mary Elizabeth Payne. > > > > > > James Nevills and Eve DeShired > > > Abraham Nevills (1780-1838)- Deborah Ostrander (1786-1865) > > > Andrew Nevills(1806-1886) - Sara Margaret Vanderburgh > (1818-1903) > > > Andrew Neville(1855-1939) - Mary Eliz. Payne (1866 - > > > William Wellington Neville - Jenny Bishopp (1st wife) > > > My dad > > > Me. > > > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > > > Your donations to RootsWeb make the NEVILLE Mailing List possible. > > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > > Have you tried Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet? > > http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > You may contact the Neville list manager at: > mailto:[email protected]

Dear Glenn and List, I recently ran across a Neville-Westmoreland Family CD-ROM at Heritage Books (www.heritagebooks.com) part of the ad read: "The family under study lived in the northern part of England near the Scottish border. The story begins with Ernisius Neville, born in 1090, and tracks the family to the present, through Thomas Neville and his son James, who changed the name to Westmoreland when he sailed to America in 1652." Westmoreland ne Neville, 3rd Revision, by Olin V. Maupes Anyone have any knowledge or information on this CD in particular?

Yes, I've read the same thing in literature about Clan Dunbar. If anyone wishes to participate in the Scottish games, etc., they would be eligible according to this group. All you'd have to do is provide a link between yourself and the surname of Nevill. They do not request documentation--just your word, from what I understand. And of course no one of the U.S. Nevilles (at least the ones mentioned in books of Joseph B. Neville, Ivan Neville, Mrs. John Hart Wilson, etc.) cannot trace back lineally to any of the Nevilles in Great Britain or Ireland. But this is not a requirement to belong to Clan Dunbar. All you have to do is link back to the surname of Nevill itself. You don't have to prove all the way back to Gospatric the Earl. Glenn Gohr [email protected] ---------- From: Ruth Nevels <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Great Grand Father Neville Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 11:13 AM Information from CLAN DUNBAR, I quote: "Clan Dunbar was activated in the US on April 29, 1979. The goal was to bring long overdue recognation and respect to descendants of Gospatric the Earl. Persons eligible by blood or marriage are DUNBAR and other descendants of Gospatric the Earl including: HOME, DUNDAS, CORBETT, CLUGSTON, NESBIT, NEVILL, WASHINGTON, STRICKLAND, HERYING, GRAY, and all spelling variations of each name."

Barbara, I found the following article online at http://www.sanders-online.com/genealogy/webdoc2.htm Note in the last paragraph where it says a Neaville family settled in Newton County, Missouri. Did you ever figure out what your George Neaville was doing in Missouri when he died? Did he have relatives in Newton County? Fairview - Newton County, Missouri Article supplied by Lillie Deane (Hutchings) Eaton Fairview is on Oliver's Prairie, the area that was named for Col. Lunsford Oliver, who is credited with the first white settlement in Newton County. It embraces over 50 square miles of the richest land in southwestern Missouri, with Newtonia in the center. He located on Shoal River, as it was called then; this was truly the land of "the Six Bulls." He arrived in 1829, and after selecting a site for his home, he returned to Arkansas for his family. They arrived the next year to build their pioneer home. This was over eighty miles from their nearest neighbors who were on the Kickapoo Prairie in Springfield. In 1831, four families joined the settlement. They were George McInturf, Joseph Ross, Nathaniel Turner and the John Smith families. Many began to settle after this in the next few years, the Whites, Haley, Northcutt, Stamps, Harris, Bowen, Green, Lansford, Neaville, Liles, Major Puttman and Marrs.

Ruth: Do you have any addditional information on Clan Dunbar? Thanks, Millie ---------- > From: Ruth Nevels <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] Great Grand Father Neville > Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 11:13 AM > > Informatin from CLAN DUNBAR, I quote: "Clan Dunbar was activated in the > US on April 29, 1979. The goal was to bring long overdue recognation > and respect to descendants of Gospatric the Earl. Persons eligible by > blood or marriage are DUNBAR and other descendants of Gospatric the Earl > including: HOME, DUNDAS, CORBETT, CLUGSTON, NESBIT, NEVILL, WASHINGTON, > STRICKLAND, HERYING, GRAY, and all spelling variations of each name." > > Mark H. Neville wrote: > > > > Irish roots? I wondered about the Irish roots as well. My father told me > > that his grandfather had a kilt and that it was a Stuart kilt. As I recall > > the Stuarts were Scotch. My great grandfather was Andrew Neville > > (1855-1939) who was married to Mary Elizabeth Payne. > > > > James Nevills and Eve DeShired > > Abraham Nevills (1780-1838)- Deborah Ostrander (1786-1865) > > Andrew Nevills(1806-1886) - Sara Margaret Vanderburgh (1818-1903) > > Andrew Neville(1855-1939) - Mary Eliz. Payne (1866 - > > William Wellington Neville - Jenny Bishopp (1st wife) > > My dad > > Me. > > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > > Your donations to RootsWeb make the NEVILLE Mailing List possible. > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Have you tried Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet? > http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm >

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:04:27 -0500 in Email: NEVILLE-L you wrote: : Paddy, : I am really intrigued by some of the Davis & Mitchell possible ties going : to Orange Co, NC then to Canada. Hi Shirley: There were a few families that came here from Orange Co. and settled in the Long Point Settlement on Lake Erie. The names were: Davis, Spurgen Austin, Derickson, Walker, Dougherty, and McCool. In Niagara there was the Ozborn which may be from my Osborn line and Reilly that I know of. If you didn't get an answer on the James NEVILLS/Eve DeShired line from Paul Bingle or Mark Neville let me know and I can pull it together. Paddy

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:02:35 -050 in Email: NEVILLE-L you wrote: Peter Neville wrote: : The dates that I have for the Dr. Jean de Neufville are (1639-1712). : My understanding is that his son John de Neufville aka Neville (b. : 1678 - bef. 1710); died young, leaving young sons Edward (?-?) and : John (?-?). Just to add one more possibility and I'm just working from memory here. On a list of names dated in early 1700's in Rupp's List was a Josiah Neufville along with Dr. John. I can't lay my hands on my note at the moment as it is in one of my files but which one is the stumper. I will go to the library and look it up again and post it to the list. Paddy

Informatin from CLAN DUNBAR, I quote: "Clan Dunbar was activated in the US on April 29, 1979. The goal was to bring long overdue recognation and respect to descendants of Gospatric the Earl. Persons eligible by blood or marriage are DUNBAR and other descendants of Gospatric the Earl including: HOME, DUNDAS, CORBETT, CLUGSTON, NESBIT, NEVILL, WASHINGTON, STRICKLAND, HERYING, GRAY, and all spelling variations of each name." Mark H. Neville wrote: > > Irish roots? I wondered about the Irish roots as well. My father told me > that his grandfather had a kilt and that it was a Stuart kilt. As I recall > the Stuarts were Scotch. My great grandfather was Andrew Neville > (1855-1939) who was married to Mary Elizabeth Payne. > > James Nevills and Eve DeShired > Abraham Nevills (1780-1838)- Deborah Ostrander (1786-1865) > Andrew Nevills(1806-1886) - Sara Margaret Vanderburgh (1818-1903) > Andrew Neville(1855-1939) - Mary Eliz. Payne (1866 - > William Wellington Neville - Jenny Bishopp (1st wife) > My dad > Me. > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb make the NEVILLE Mailing List possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

The marriage probably took place in Rabun Co, GA, perhaps ca. 1825. Ordinary Court Records show that Nov 1822 Winefred was still Winefred Coffee. Then in Book A, p11, Jan 1826, Return of Edward Coffee & Winefred Beck on estate of John Coffee. Court discharges Edward Coffee & he is replaced by Solomon Beck by reason that Solomon Beck has married Winefred Coffee, widow of John Coffee. (John T Coleman, The Heritage Center Ordinary Court Records 1822-1850 Rabun Co, GA) Shirley Wilcox On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:18:40 EST [email protected] writes: >Can anyone out there tell me when and where Winifred Neville married >Solomon >Beck of Georgia? >Thanks, >Diana Jeffries > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== >Have you tried GenConnect? >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index.html > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Irish roots? I wondered about the Irish roots as well. My father told me that his grandfather had a kilt and that it was a Stuart kilt. As I recall the Stuarts were Scotch. My great grandfather was Andrew Neville (1855-1939) who was married to Mary Elizabeth Payne. James Nevills and Eve DeShired Abraham Nevills (1780-1838)- Deborah Ostrander (1786-1865) Andrew Nevills(1806-1886) - Sara Margaret Vanderburgh (1818-1903) Andrew Neville(1855-1939) - Mary Eliz. Payne (1866 - William Wellington Neville - Jenny Bishopp (1st wife) My dad Me.

Can anyone out there tell me when and where Winifred Neville married Solomon Beck of Georgia? Thanks, Diana Jeffries

Paul, Jan, and others, The Windsor Pipes who was listed in your reference with Rapelje, Hutchins, Truly, and other early residents of the Natchez, Miss. area is my husband's ancestor. He is mentioned in records of Morris County, New Jersey 1758 thru 1765; Greene Co.,PA 1771; Louisville area of Kentucky 1772 and then in Natchez by 1781. Ruth Paul L Bingle wrote: > > At 12:56 AM 11/03/99 -0500, Jan wrote: > (And thanks, Jan, lot's of food for thought here) > > >The Rapaljes of Long Island, New York and New Jersey also went to Spanish > >Natchez (Mississippi) and New Orleans. I think they are part of same > >Rapalje family that is referred to in your Nevills' record and who lived > >very near your family in Canada. Peter Neville on our list knows much more > >about them than I because he has a Rapalje connection. > > I'm no expert on the Long Point Settlement in Ontario but I've seen lots of > Rapalje headstones down there and I seem to remember from deeds and documents > that the guy that appears among the earliest and in connection with both > NEVILLS and DAVIS wills is Abraham A. Rapalje. > > >... I have not studied the > >Rapaljes enough to determine if they received grants from the British. > > Up here they definitely did, and sizeable ones. > > >The Natchez District under Spanish rule had an interesting mix of people in > >the 1780s and 1790s: the French, Spanish, and British, as well as those who > >came to the area for good land but brought their loyalty to the American > >colonies with them, former soldiers who fought on the side of the colonies, > >slaves and free mulattoes, those who had British sympathies and had fled > >from the rebelling colonies, those who wanted land but didn't want any part > >of the war and had no sympathy for the British or the colonists, those who > >fought on the side of the colonies but rebelled at the whiskey tax after the > >war, and some representatives of various Protestant denominations who came > >to minister to those in the District because the Spanish required that all > >who wanted to be citizens (own land) had to join the Roman Catholic Church. > >In many cases, the allegiance to the church was nominal, and unless a person > >made a big public deal about continuing to hold Protestant beliefs after > >joining the Catholic Church, the Spanish left them alone. > > Thanks again. This is really interesting stuff. > I'm particularly intrigued by the "nominal" Roman Catholic label. The 1871 > Census up here is BY FAR the easiest of the "early" one's to use, most > accessible, most readeable, most complete, etc., and even though it's late > in the overall scheme of things for 1700's researchers, boy, it's just > amazing how long some of those people lived. Now I know that the wave of > Irish immigrants in Southern Ontario didn't start until about 1830 and that > there were some > NEVIL/NEVEL/NEVELS people on the 1871 Census that are not ours/mine and > that you can distinguish them by their "labels" - ORIGIN: Irish; RELIGION: RC. > But do I know that none of them are not distant cousins in the same line?? > > The Irish appellative is a ruse. I have no doubt that SOME of them WERE > Irish but I refer you to a recent Mark H. Neville post where he quotes > Green who quotes an early book on "Mt Dorchester" (I can't be bothered > looking it up) stating that James Nevills was of Irish origin and that Eve > was German. > Well thats ridiculous. It's like saying I'm Scotch because my 6xgreat gf, > Francis Waddell was Scotch. Now it's possible, in fact almost a certainty > that James Nevills had close associations with those out of the German > Palatinate >> > Ireland >> America group. His wife Eve MAY have been one such person. So I > NEVER trust the Irish origin label when I see it in print. > > But the Catholic appellative... I always thought that separated us. > I'm sure you've anticipated my thinking as I have yours. You know that I'm > not looking for someone out of the 1780's - 1800. In fact the fairly narrow > window for James' father's birth has to be 1710 - 1725. Did my 1748James > have brothers? I'm almost sure of it! Did James' father have brothers? Why > not? > These NEVELS' were a proliferate bunch (UNLIKE my father's side!). > > If James had a brother, John, (I've already theorized/postulated his > existence) who moved north and ultimately to Schoharie NY, why not other > brother(s) who took it further south and west (to Mississipi, Louisiana, > possibly to Texas (where some of them spell it properly - JUST KIDDING!!) > They don't all have to be Loyalists. You probably don't realize just how > split the WARNER's and the CHRYSLER's were on this issue (I use them only > because they're also like family to me). > > And the logical extention of THAT thinking is that some of the > "descendents" in the Natchez Territory got tired of it, for whatever > reason, and came back north > following the lead of their "uncles" in Canada. THAT could account for SOME > Roman Catholic NEVEL's in Ontario in the 1830's. > > For those others of you out there who might be reading this and who tend to > put a lot of faith in Census information I have to tell a humorous (I hope) > story: > my greatgrandfather, William Hamilton Bingle, born Feb 1, 1851 appears on > the 1871 Census. He's living with his Mom and his well-to-do Uncle Mike > (his Mom > had remarried). His school days were over. Wm H. was a dilettante, a charming, > handsome man who enjoyed life, loved fishing, hunting and his horses, and > never worked a really tough day in all his years. When the 1871 Censusman > came knocking the question of OCCUPATION came up. Well William had to tell > them SOMETHING... so they put down "Scholar". I always liked that. But on a > more serious note, how very misleading! > > > > >The families of my Nevels great-great-grandfather and Nevill g-g-grandmother > >(both sometimes Nevel/Nevil/Nevills great in early records) met there in the > >late 1790s-early 1800s. The Philip Nevill family, whom I think was my > >gg-gm's family, was from the Maryland/Pennsylvania area and the other, James > >Nevels on my gg-gf's side, seems to be from the North/South Carolina area. > > In order for me to try to get a better grasp of your roots, Jan, could you > supply any dates for these guys? > > >... The Alstons in the record were from the > >Halifax/Orange Co., NC area. > > No, Jan, we don't have any Alstons up here that I am aware of; certainly > none connected to either side of me (but WAIT A MINUTE, didn't Paddy say > something about Alston's???). > > > <snip> Buyers: Sieur St. Germain, surety Francois > >Farrell, Sieur _____ Cadet, surety Alexander McIntosh; Richard Swayze, > >surety Justus King; John Griffin, surety Justus King; Anthony Hutchins, > >surety Alexander McIntosh; Alexander McIntosh, surety GEORGE RAPALJE; Sieur > >Baker, surety David Mitchell; Elijah Swayze, surety Richard Swayze; Francis > >Spain, surety James Truly; wm. Brocus, surety Winsor Pipes; GEORGE RAPALJE, > >surety Anthony Hutchins; several to Alexander McIntosh for cash > > As I'm sure you know, the Mitchells are of interest to Paddy, and for me > it's the Swayze's and the Griffins. > > >The above Swayzes were part of a New Jersey Presbyterian group who came to > >the Natchez Territory. I have looked at some copies of the original church > >records but have not found Nevills/Nevels in them. > > Did you know that my line intermarried with the Swayze's several times in the > 1840's, 50's? And 50 years before that the line of Anthony Nevel in Bath > (call it Kingston, Ontario) was perpetuated with a Swayze girl? (We > basically have NO IDEA who he is; none of us claim him because, I suppose, > he's too far away although he's probably a Loyalist; for myself I tracked > his descendents a couple of generations and left it at that. I try not to > think about him) > > >The above Anthony Hutchins seems to have been a British Loyalist. He had > >formerly lived in the far western area of the North Carolina-South Carolina > >border (same area where Shirley Wilcox's ancestor William Nevill lived; he > >was not a Loyalist.) > > I'm not familiar with the Hutchins family, or, for that matter, the > Mulkey's whom you also mentioned. > > I failed to answer your question a week or so ago about Jesse M Lawrence Jr's > reference to a mystery James, born 1749 (yes, 1749; I pushed the right key > this time!) who could, conceiveably, be my James. I found the reference > this morning at: > <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/a/w/Jesse-M-Lawrence/GENE13-0003.html> > about 40% of the way scrolling downward. > > The weekend is coming and it'll be a busy one so don't be surprised if you > don't hear from me until next week. > > Paul Bingle > Brampton, Ontario, CANADA > E-mail: [email protected] > > ==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== > Have you tried the Neville Query List on GenForum? > http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/neville

At 12:56 AM 11/03/99 -0500, Jan wrote: (And thanks, Jan, lot's of food for thought here) >The Rapaljes of Long Island, New York and New Jersey also went to Spanish >Natchez (Mississippi) and New Orleans. I think they are part of same >Rapalje family that is referred to in your Nevills' record and who lived >very near your family in Canada. Peter Neville on our list knows much more >about them than I because he has a Rapalje connection. I'm no expert on the Long Point Settlement in Ontario but I've seen lots of Rapalje headstones down there and I seem to remember from deeds and documents that the guy that appears among the earliest and in connection with both NEVILLS and DAVIS wills is Abraham A. Rapalje. >... I have not studied the >Rapaljes enough to determine if they received grants from the British. Up here they definitely did, and sizeable ones. >The Natchez District under Spanish rule had an interesting mix of people in >the 1780s and 1790s: the French, Spanish, and British, as well as those who >came to the area for good land but brought their loyalty to the American >colonies with them, former soldiers who fought on the side of the colonies, >slaves and free mulattoes, those who had British sympathies and had fled >from the rebelling colonies, those who wanted land but didn't want any part >of the war and had no sympathy for the British or the colonists, those who >fought on the side of the colonies but rebelled at the whiskey tax after the >war, and some representatives of various Protestant denominations who came >to minister to those in the District because the Spanish required that all >who wanted to be citizens (own land) had to join the Roman Catholic Church. >In many cases, the allegiance to the church was nominal, and unless a person >made a big public deal about continuing to hold Protestant beliefs after >joining the Catholic Church, the Spanish left them alone. Thanks again. This is really interesting stuff. I'm particularly intrigued by the "nominal" Roman Catholic label. The 1871 Census up here is BY FAR the easiest of the "early" one's to use, most accessible, most readeable, most complete, etc., and even though it's late in the overall scheme of things for 1700's researchers, boy, it's just amazing how long some of those people lived. Now I know that the wave of Irish immigrants in Southern Ontario didn't start until about 1830 and that there were some NEVIL/NEVEL/NEVELS people on the 1871 Census that are not ours/mine and that you can distinguish them by their "labels" - ORIGIN: Irish; RELIGION: RC. But do I know that none of them are not distant cousins in the same line?? The Irish appellative is a ruse. I have no doubt that SOME of them WERE Irish but I refer you to a recent Mark H. Neville post where he quotes Green who quotes an early book on "Mt Dorchester" (I can't be bothered looking it up) stating that James Nevills was of Irish origin and that Eve was German. Well thats ridiculous. It's like saying I'm Scotch because my 6xgreat gf, Francis Waddell was Scotch. Now it's possible, in fact almost a certainty that James Nevills had close associations with those out of the German Palatinate >> Ireland >> America group. His wife Eve MAY have been one such person. So I NEVER trust the Irish origin label when I see it in print. But the Catholic appellative... I always thought that separated us. I'm sure you've anticipated my thinking as I have yours. You know that I'm not looking for someone out of the 1780's - 1800. In fact the fairly narrow window for James' father's birth has to be 1710 - 1725. Did my 1748James have brothers? I'm almost sure of it! Did James' father have brothers? Why not? These NEVELS' were a proliferate bunch (UNLIKE my father's side!). If James had a brother, John, (I've already theorized/postulated his existence) who moved north and ultimately to Schoharie NY, why not other brother(s) who took it further south and west (to Mississipi, Louisiana, possibly to Texas (where some of them spell it properly - JUST KIDDING!!) They don't all have to be Loyalists. You probably don't realize just how split the WARNER's and the CHRYSLER's were on this issue (I use them only because they're also like family to me). And the logical extention of THAT thinking is that some of the "descendents" in the Natchez Territory got tired of it, for whatever reason, and came back north following the lead of their "uncles" in Canada. THAT could account for SOME Roman Catholic NEVEL's in Ontario in the 1830's. For those others of you out there who might be reading this and who tend to put a lot of faith in Census information I have to tell a humorous (I hope) story: my greatgrandfather, William Hamilton Bingle, born Feb 1, 1851 appears on the 1871 Census. He's living with his Mom and his well-to-do Uncle Mike (his Mom had remarried). His school days were over. Wm H. was a dilettante, a charming, handsome man who enjoyed life, loved fishing, hunting and his horses, and never worked a really tough day in all his years. When the 1871 Censusman came knocking the question of OCCUPATION came up. Well William had to tell them SOMETHING... so they put down "Scholar". I always liked that. But on a more serious note, how very misleading! > >The families of my Nevels great-great-grandfather and Nevill g-g-grandmother >(both sometimes Nevel/Nevil/Nevills great in early records) met there in the >late 1790s-early 1800s. The Philip Nevill family, whom I think was my >gg-gm's family, was from the Maryland/Pennsylvania area and the other, James >Nevels on my gg-gf's side, seems to be from the North/South Carolina area. In order for me to try to get a better grasp of your roots, Jan, could you supply any dates for these guys? >... The Alstons in the record were from the >Halifax/Orange Co., NC area. No, Jan, we don't have any Alstons up here that I am aware of; certainly none connected to either side of me (but WAIT A MINUTE, didn't Paddy say something about Alston's???). > <snip> Buyers: Sieur St. Germain, surety Francois >Farrell, Sieur _____ Cadet, surety Alexander McIntosh; Richard Swayze, >surety Justus King; John Griffin, surety Justus King; Anthony Hutchins, >surety Alexander McIntosh; Alexander McIntosh, surety GEORGE RAPALJE; Sieur >Baker, surety David Mitchell; Elijah Swayze, surety Richard Swayze; Francis >Spain, surety James Truly; wm. Brocus, surety Winsor Pipes; GEORGE RAPALJE, >surety Anthony Hutchins; several to Alexander McIntosh for cash As I'm sure you know, the Mitchells are of interest to Paddy, and for me it's the Swayze's and the Griffins. >The above Swayzes were part of a New Jersey Presbyterian group who came to >the Natchez Territory. I have looked at some copies of the original church >records but have not found Nevills/Nevels in them. Did you know that my line intermarried with the Swayze's several times in the 1840's, 50's? And 50 years before that the line of Anthony Nevel in Bath (call it Kingston, Ontario) was perpetuated with a Swayze girl? (We basically have NO IDEA who he is; none of us claim him because, I suppose, he's too far away although he's probably a Loyalist; for myself I tracked his descendents a couple of generations and left it at that. I try not to think about him) >The above Anthony Hutchins seems to have been a British Loyalist. He had >formerly lived in the far western area of the North Carolina-South Carolina >border (same area where Shirley Wilcox's ancestor William Nevill lived; he >was not a Loyalist.) I'm not familiar with the Hutchins family, or, for that matter, the Mulkey's whom you also mentioned. I failed to answer your question a week or so ago about Jesse M Lawrence Jr's reference to a mystery James, born 1749 (yes, 1749; I pushed the right key this time!) who could, conceiveably, be my James. I found the reference this morning at: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/a/w/Jesse-M-Lawrence/GENE13-0003.html> about 40% of the way scrolling downward. The weekend is coming and it'll be a busy one so don't be surprised if you don't hear from me until next week. Paul Bingle Brampton, Ontario, CANADA E-mail: [email protected]

Paul, The Rapaljes of Long Island, New York and New Jersey also went to Spanish Natchez (Mississippi) and New Orleans. I think they are part of same Rapalje family that is referred to in your Nevills' record and who lived very near your family in Canada. Peter Neville on our list knows much more about them than I because he has a Rapalje connection. The Natchez/New Orleans area was part of Spanish West Florida in the 1780s and 1790s, but was previously British West Florida. Some of the colonists who fought against the French in the French and Indian War were given land grants in the Mississippi area (ca. early 1770s) by the British when they took over control of the area from the French. I have not studied the Rapaljes enough to determine if they received grants from the British. The Natchez District under Spanish rule had an interesting mix of people in the 1780s and 1790s: the French, Spanish, and British, as well as those who came to the area for good land but brought their loyalty to the American colonies with them, former soldiers who fought on the side of the colonies, slaves and free mulattoes, those who had British sympathies and had fled from the rebelling colonies, those who wanted land but didn't want any part of the war and had no sympathy for the British or the colonists, those who fought on the side of the colonies but rebelled at the whiskey tax after the war, and some representatives of various Protestant denominations who came to minister to those in the District because the Spanish required that all who wanted to be citizens (own land) had to join the Roman Catholic Church. In many cases, the allegiance to the church was nominal, and unless a person made a big public deal about continuing to hold Protestant beliefs after joining the Catholic Church, the Spanish left them alone. The Spanish were remarkably tolerant of those who came to their colony in the Natchez Territory. (They had their own goals in mind for support in obtaining a larger territory.) The families of my Nevels great-great-grandfather and Nevill g-g-grandmother (both sometimes Nevel/Nevil/Nevills great in early records) met there in the late 1790s-early 1800s. The Philip Nevill family, whom I think was my gg-gm's family, was from the Maryland/Pennsylvania area and the other, James Nevels on my gg-gf's side, seems to be from the North/South Carolina area. Many references are made to George and Garrett Rapalje in the Natchez Court Records. Example of an early reference in Book A: 15 Sept. 1781. Petition of Alexander McIntosh, curator and guardian of minor heirs of Alston [my note - Jan: The Alstons in the record were from the Halifax/Orange Co., NC area.], perceiving loss from epidemic of a great number of cattle daily, asks for sale of all those belonging to said minors, payable in one year from day of adjudication, with good and sufficient security. // An advertisement shall be posted giving notice to the Public that a sale of cattle mentioned will take place on Saturday morning the 15th inst. [Signed] Grandpre. 12 Sept 1781. // p. 17 On Morning of 15 Sept. 1781, proceedings of the above mentioned sale in the presence of curator and guardian and others assisting. Buyers: Sieur St. Germain, surety Francois Farrell, Sieur _____ Cadet, surety Alexander McIntosh; Richard Swayze, surety Justus King; John Griffin, surety Justus King; Anthony Hutchins, surety Alexander McIntosh; Alexander McIntosh, surety GEORGE RAPALJE; Sieur Baker, surety David Mitchell; Elijah Swayze, surety Richard Swayze; Francis Spain, surety James Truly; wm. Brocus, surety Winsor Pipes; GEORGE RAPALJE, surety Anthony Hutchins; several to Alexander McIntosh for cash... [case continues] ------- The above Swayzes were part of a New Jersey Presbyterian group who came to the Natchez Territory. I have looked at some copies of the original church records but have not found Nevills/Nevels in them. However, they need more thorough checking. In a convoluted deal, the NJ Presbyterians were given a claim based on some older British proprietary claim in GA. One of the GA proprietors or proprietary companies had given land that stretched all the way from the Atlantic coast of GA to the Mississippi River. In fact, some Georgians called the Natchez District (now Mississippi) Bourbon Co, GA and did not recognize the Spanish claim. The above Anthony Hutchins seems to have been a British Loyalist. He had formerly lived in the far western area of the North Carolina-South Carolina border (same area where Shirley Wilcox's ancestor William Nevill lived; he was not a Loyalist.) In reading the history of the Mulkey family (some of whom went to Natchez and got in trouble with the Spanish for public Baptist preaching), I found accounts of those in the Carolina area where Hutchins lived who considered him and some of his friends to be Tories. However, many in that area of the Carolinas--actually the fringe of the colonies at that time--were isolated from the rest of the colonists and were very reluctant to break their ties with England and openly rebel. This lack of loyalty to the patriot cause caused some to have to leave the country during and right after the Revolution. I don't know if the Rapaljes had any ties with any of the above before they came to Natchez. I know that the family did maintain its ties with the NJ and NY family (based on the Natchez Court Records). If the Rapaljes split, with some going to Canada and some to the Natchez Territory during and after the war, others in the area where they lived in NJ and NY probably did the same. Jan

Shirley, Thank you for the additional information on Robert Lafayette Nevil and the census information on Dorotha Lewis. I really appreciate your help. I will see if I can find out something on-line about the company in which Lafayette Nevels served in MS and about his service. Jan At 07:49 AM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >Jan, > >James & Dorothy (Moorman) Nevil had a son Robert Lafayette, shown as >Robert L on the 1850 census. He supposedly was a Confederate in the CW. >Maybe he is the Lafayette, MS soldier, going by his middle name. > >A J Lewis & wife Dorotha are on page 189 of the 1850 Tuscaloosa Co, AL >census. With them are Nevels children Zachariah 14, Ann 15, Roberta 12 & >Robert L 10. > >Shirley > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== >Visit the Neville Heritage Society Home Page: >http://www.prairienet.org/neville/ > >

Ryan, Thanks for the refresher. Have you found a link with the Neufville family yet? Below is what I have on prisoners of war in the Charleston area. Ren might be able to to enlighten us on whether Presley and John Neville spent their prisoner-of-war time on a ship off the coast of Charleston. 1780, May 12, PRESLEY NEVILLE, a Lt. Col. in VA line, taken prisoner. JOHN NEVILLE, a Col. in VA line, taken prisoner (NC Col. State Recs. 16, 671.) Although the reference is in NC State Recs., I have something around here which shows they were held in the Charleston area. When I find that record, I will see if a ship's name was given. Since the Neufvilles lived in the Charleston area, it would seem likely one of them was the person who was held, but with Presley and John being in the same area during the war, it wouldn't hurt to check them out, too. Jan

Paddy, Bev, Barbara, Mark, and others: Thank you, Paddy, for your post of Sat March 6, 1999 re the potential familial connection of the three original Loyalist DAVIS families in Southern Ontario. Interesting, though, that our local list, NIAGARA-ONT-L, apparently has no interest in these DAVIS families. I can't remember if I brought up this subject with Carmine but I do know that on Jan 26, 1999 I raised this very question (for exactly the same reason) and got nada, then tried again on Feb 24 with a more toned down approach, with the same result. The combination of the information you supplied with the information I already have makes an extremely strong circumstantial case for Robert(b. c1735), Thaddeus(b. c1737) and William(b. Dec 23,1741) being brothers, and I'll get into that in a bit. But do we really care? Like you said, airy fairy stuff... I care, because I'm expecting to find a prior relationship, possibly a dozen generations old, between a certain group of DAVIS's, a certain group of HALL's, and a certain group of NEVILLS's who will all turn out to be my ancestors. Yes, as you pointed out, that is already the case. But I am talking about Colonial America, not Canada, something pre-existing let us say 1740. It is precisely my point that my NEVILLS, anyway, behaved almost predictably in the matter of intermixed marriages. I know my own mother's attitudes toward certain families, and we're not talking money here; we're talking politics and roots. This kind of thinking has been passed down in my family for AT LEAST 300 years. Schoharie/Albany, for our group of Nevills was a jumping off point, not a point of origin, and I am more and more convinced that the the same can be said for the sojourn in New Jersey. The James Nevel, agent for William Penn, discussion drew me away for a while. It, after all, would explain my branches apparent preoccupation with selectively marrying German or High Dutch, and Huegenot families. I haven't actually counted them but I would venture to say that only 20% of the Nevills marriages in my branch between 1775- 1850 were actually to ethnic groups other than these (and I include English / Scotch / Welsh in the 20%). In the grand scheme of things, however, 75 years is not a long time. There are several reasons why this could just as easily have been a temporary glitch, atypical behavior but appropriate for the time and circumstances. So I'm back to pondering the two most likely places, Virginia and Maryland. I had pretty much ruled out the latter because YOUR family was from there and because you seemed to be fairly convinced that our families, your's and mine were not proveably connected. After all, I reasoned, if you hadn't found anything there, was there a point to my trying? That leaves Virginia. An original idea. Heck, my father was telling people 45 years ago that his wife's family was originally from Virginia. He had had the opportunity many years ago to "interview" the gentleman (long deceased) whom Dad referred to as "the Nevills historian", Dr Judson Nevills. Jud is "famous" in our family for at least four "stories", as follows: 1/ that Thomas James (son of Abraham) was killed by lightning (I smile every time I see that on someone's Family Group sheet). 2/ that James and Eve's arduous trek to Canada, complete with Indian guide and pony, included a stop at an Indian village at a point about two days from Fort Niagara when their food supplies had been utterly exhausted. James, the story goes, was invited to compete in a footrace with several braves, which he won. His prize? A "johnnycake" [Note: probably made from corn] which sustained them for the rest of the trip. 3/ that Abraham's wife was named Deborah VanKeuren. [Dad, incidentally still stubbornly sticks to this belief and I stopped belabouring the question years ago.] My father vividly recalls the conversation he had with Judson word for word and it went like this: DAD: "And do you recall Deborah's maiden name?" JUDSON: "I believe she was a VanKeuren girl..." Dad deduced that her name was VanKeuren because that was the question he had asked. In some recent research I was doing of Nevills in Scoharie County NY (and of the most interesting website suggested by a listmember) I chanced to come across a little town just south of Poughkeepsie on the Hudson - Van Keurens. Now I wonder...was Judson talking about the surname or the town?? Her name, of course was Deborah Ostrander, and they were from that neck of the woods. 4/ that the Nevills progenitor of OUR line in America arrived early to mid 1600's and settled in Virginia. When I factor in the point of view of Abraham's son, William, that we should be looking for a William (of York) and/or a Sir Thomas Neville (Incidentally, does anybody out there happen to have Familytreemaker CD 202 who is willing to do a lookup on this last guy?) I STILL like my chances in Nansemond VA // Halifax or Orange Co. NC. You've really got me baffled now, Paddy. You're stating that your line also has links to the DAVIS surname. Are the Davis's you mentioned somehow connected to mine in Baltimore MD // Orange Co. NC? Sorry, I guess that was your question. Anyway, some observations on and additions to your original post: 1/ Robert DAVIS (b. c1735) may have been born near Baltimore MD, but he died in Little Rock, Orange County, NC., and it was his death, around 1781, that gave impetus to the decision made by his widow, Jane, and half of their children to move shortly thereafter to Upper Canada. 2/ Robert Davis had 5 other children besides 1764Thomas (the youngest, the one who ultimately had all those kids, probably all born in Canada, whom you mentioned including Pamela DAVIS). Thomas' siblings were: Edgewick m. James Derickson Ann m. Thomas Bowles John b. c1755 d. in 1827 s.p. This is the John Davis we read about in the early Niagara returns. His wife was Mary, probably a ROBBINS. His will was probated in Windham Twp. Robert Jr the oldest boy, asserted at c1755John's probate proceedings that he owed Mary money. He may not have ever been married. James the youngest, spent a few years, probably 12, with c1755John in Canada but returned to NC about 1795) 3/ William Davis is also said to have been born on the plantation near Baltimore MD. When he married a girl from Yorktown, VA, he and that girl, Hannah Phillips, also settled in Orange Co. NC where their seven children were born. William, Hannah, and family made the trek to Canada in 1792, about 10 years later than his "nephew", John, above (most likely because Hannah didn't want to leave). The matter was probably ultimately decided because of a promotion given to a close personal friend of both the Davis's and the Phillips, JG Simcoe, who's biography I won't look up, but, suffice to say, includes a posting of several years in the lower Virginia area as an officer of one of the British Regiments, the 5th of Foot, I think. Lt Col. John Graves Simcoe became the first Lieutenant Governor of Upper Canada in 1792. Simcoe sent a gunboat to pick them up upon their arrival at the mouth of the Genesee River. Upon Hannah's death in 1794 William and family moved to Mount Albion, not far from another "nephew", 1764Thomas. 4/ I accept your information that 1764Thomas was married to Deborah Hall, daughter of James and Mary Hall. I didn't have that. I do know that c1737Thaddeus was also married to a Deborah Hall, this one born on 28 Oct., 1735. I'm willing to bet that James Hall had a sister, Deborah, (who married Thad) and she became the reason that James and Mary named one of their daughters "Deborah" (who later married 1764Thomas). When you put this beside the fact that between 1803 -1826 my Nevills's married into, purchased land from, named children after, and were buried near to those of c1737Thaddeus' lines of DAVIS and HALL, and, in 1834 married into 1764Thomas' line of DAVIS and HALL, yes, I'd say we're getting pretty close to establishing that these two, and, in fact all three Loyalist DAVIS's were in reality the same line. Incidentally,the reason I know 1741William Davis is because his descendants intermarried with my FATHER's ancestors - the CLINE's, the BROUSE's (BROWSE's),and ultimately the PETTIT's. I just this minute read your most recent post asking about the DAVIS's mentioned in Nathaniel Pettit's 1796 petition. I believe that the John, Robert, and Thomas DAVIS mentioned there are the same guys (c1755John, Robert Jr, and 1764Thomas) I've been overly verbose about above. So, yes, as nephews of c1737Thaddeus DAVIS Sr (my 5x great grandfather) they are all related to me. Paul Bingle Brampton, Ontario, CANADA E-mail: [email protected]

I think the Samuel Nevill in the Smith Family Papers is the man below. This was a note I made in 1987 at the PA Historical Society in Philadelphia. Gen Z 26 Collections of the Genealogical Society of PA, VOl. 7 27 Oct departed at Perth Amboy, after a lingering illness, the Hon Samuel Nevill Esq, 2nd Judge of the Supreme Court, Province of NJ, age 66...proprietor of the Eastern Division, many years a representative in Assembly; mayor of Perth Amboy. PA Gazette, 6 Nov 1764 Shirley Wilcox ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Paul, Thanks for posting the family group sheet for James & Eve. That was very helpful. Shirley ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Paul: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Paul L Bingle wrote: > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >My Thomas NEVILL s/o Moses was also a Surveyors Assistant. Where did you > >get the information that James was as well? > > "Further corroboration of this being the general area of James' place of > residence in the 1780's is found in a SURVEY RETURN [capital's mine] dated > 2 Sept 1785 for land in (old) Newton Township [Sussex County] on Laurel > Brook, a branch of the Papacoting. James assisted in laying out the metes > and bounds." Thanks for this informantion. It is interesting that both men pursued this line of work, at least for a while but I guess I can't read much into that. > >Do you have a land petition for James NEVILLS of Stamford that outlines > >his loyalist activities? > > This one is tougher and falls partly into the area that you dislike a lot - > speculation. Wilson asked the same question and the answer remains the same: > NO, I have never found such a document. > > BUT what do we know? > We know that in 1796 the signature of James Nevills (as spelled) appears on > a document written by Judge Nathaniel Pettit, younger brother of my > 6x great grandfather on my FATHER's side, the gist of which is as follows: <snip> > we may obtain the agreeable protection and benefit of the above > proclamation... > Newark, 12th October, 1796 > [signed, and here I will only list those heads of households directly > connected in some way with my family, but that happens to be almost half of > them:] > Nathl. Pettit, Adam Green, John Willson, Leonard Muisener, Jonathan Pettit, > Andrew Pettit, Joshua Robins, Charles Pettit, John Pettit, Thos. Matthews, > John Silverthorn, Henry Chrysler, William Man[n], Jeremiah London [probably > Landon], James Nevills, Alex Markle, Gershom Carpenter, Joseph Corwin, John > Davis, Robt. Davis, Thos. Davis, John Green" > Interesting list of names. As you say the ones mentioned are connected to your family. Do you mean to say that you have connected the Davises mentioned above to your Davis line? This could be important if you have so please, if you would, share the information you have of the connection. Just as a matter of interest, The Jeremiah London is London and he is probably the brother of Bartholomew LONDON of Saltfleet who was murdered in 1801 by his young wife Mary OSBORN who was having an affair with the hired hand. I do hope she was not one of my Osborns. She was the first woman executed in Ontario. Thanks again for the information Paul. Paddy