Duh! I guess I was assuming that Gertie was Polish, so didn't even think of Gertrude...........even though I am researching an Irish Gertrude right now. I guess I can look them up on the census now and maybe an earlier or later one will have the full name. Thanks all, for jolting my brain. KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Groupon&#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d838f1744cd3217de8st05duc