Thank you and yes, Maura and I were able to share information on Catherine Kujawa, and I'm excited about that, and MrBill gave me some information that I didn't have about John Rosno Jr. I'm hoping to find birth records for John's three youngest children who were born in Poland. . (His youngest son, John Jr. is recorded on the St. John's Catholic Church records that you transcribed. (That road led to Tomasz!) Two daughters, Francis and Josephine are recorded on census records, but they are not in the Smogulec records. In addition, I have a personal family history source that indicates that John had a baby son, Casimiris, who died at sea. I would like to document him as well. I'm also interested to know if they had any family events--births or deaths--while they were in Chatsworth. You said the church gave you a copy of those early records? Valene On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Valene - > > Are you making any progress ?? Persistence !! > > Tomasz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Valene Contor <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you and yes, Maura and I were able to share information on Catherine > Kujawa, and I'm excited about that, and MrBill gave me some information that > I didn't have about John Rosno Jr. You are in good hands, both Maura and Mr. Bill are top notch. > > I'm hoping to find birth records for John's three youngest children who were > born in Poland. . (His youngest son, John Jr. is recorded on the St. > John's Catholic Church records that you transcribed. (That road led to > Tomasz!) Two daughters, Francis and Josephine are recorded on census > records, but they are not in the Smogulec records. In addition, I have a > personal family history source that indicates that John had a baby son, > Casimiris, who died at sea. I would like to document him as well. Well, usually 3 days or so after the birth, Baptism takes place. Of course this isn't written in rock and it's subject to various conditions. If CASIMIR were born at sea, chances are that he wasn't formally baptized, rather, it was common to most for the Father, and or a notable, such as the ships Captain to baptize the baby conditionally. For sure, there will be an entry in the ships log manifest somewhere concerning the baby's death. Such is quite common, the company must have good documentation as to the people they transport. They are accountable. If the baby was baptized at the port of debarkation, the entry will be in their sacramental records. If by some chance there was a priest aboard ship, the priest would carry the sacramental informational specifics with him and he would have recorded Baptism and Death information eventually at the church in the port of debarkation, or more logically, at the point of arrival. If the ship stopped somewhere else enroute, the records may be there. If the baby died say 3 days or less prior to their arrival, the baby's remains may well have been kept onboard so Baptism after the fact could be performed by a priest and he could be buried in hallow church ground. Burial at sea was accepted due to the necessity of the moment, however, it was always the second choice. > > I'm also interested to know if they had any family events--births or > deaths--while they were in Chatsworth. You said the church gave you a copy > of those early records? Yes. The church that services Chattsworth is located in an adjacent town, FAIRBURY and of course, they only started keeping records around the time our ancestors passed through, especially death records. When I researched, there was no web page or email contact so I had to write a letter. If I had to do it again, I would have called first, then followed it up with a letter for specifics. It'll give the priest or today maybe a secretary more time to look thru their books. You'll probably benefit if you make a "donation", I would think $15 or $20. I just include the bills in the letter. So far, no problems after almost 40 years. One thing, recommend you read about the history of the times. Tangent information sometimes solves problems in your research. If I recall correctly, their earliest newspaper was the "Plains Dealer" and they've got all the early stuff on microfilm at the Chattsworth library, or post office. I forgot. Its possible that the LDS has filmed it, but more likely they haven't maybe they filmed the church records. Its worth checking. For sure, you need go to your local library and see if you can view the film through their interlibrary loan program for reference material. Lastly, my ancestors travelled to Chattsworth from Chicago chasing long-term work in the mines they were supposed to dig. Unfortunatelythis never happened. Too expensive I understand. In Duncan church records and other reference material, there are a few words alluding to some pioneer ancestors may have stopped there prior to arriving in Nebraska. Tomasz > > Valene > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> Valene - >> >> Are you making any progress ?? Persistence !! >> >> Tomasz >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where is the best place to find the ship records? I've looked on www.castlegardens.org and I've looked at the institutional version of ancestry.com without any success either place. Someone told me that they thought the private version of ancestry.com is better than the instituional version, Is that where I need to go, or do you know a better way to access those records? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Valene Contor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you and yes, Maura and I were able to share information on > Catherine > > Kujawa, and I'm excited about that, and MrBill gave me some information > that > > I didn't have about John Rosno Jr. > > You are in good hands, both Maura and Mr. Bill are top notch. > > > > I'm hoping to find birth records for John's three youngest children who > were > > born in Poland. . (His youngest son, John Jr. is recorded on the St. > > John's Catholic Church records that you transcribed. (That road led to > > Tomasz!) Two daughters, Francis and Josephine are recorded on census > > records, but they are not in the Smogulec records. In addition, I have a > > personal family history source that indicates that John had a baby son, > > Casimiris, who died at sea. I would like to document him as well. > > Well, usually 3 days or so after the birth, Baptism takes place. Of course > this isn't written in rock and it's subject to various conditions. If > CASIMIR were born at sea, chances are that he wasn't formally baptized, > rather, it was common to most for the Father, and or a notable, such as the > ships Captain to baptize the baby conditionally. > > For sure, there will be an entry in the ships log manifest somewhere > concerning the baby's death. Such is quite common, the company must have > good documentation as to the people they transport. They are accountable. > > If the baby was baptized at the port of debarkation, the entry will be in > their sacramental records. If by some chance there was a priest aboard ship, > the priest would carry the sacramental informational specifics with him and > he would have recorded Baptism and Death information eventually at the > church in the port of debarkation, or more logically, at the point of > arrival. If the ship stopped somewhere else enroute, the records may be > there. > > If the baby died say 3 days or less prior to their arrival, the baby's > remains may well have been kept onboard so Baptism after the fact could be > performed by a priest and he could be buried in hallow church ground. Burial > at sea was accepted due to the necessity of the moment, however, it was > always the second choice. > > > > I'm also interested to know if they had any family events--births or > > deaths--while they were in Chatsworth. You said the church gave you a > copy > > of those early records? > > Yes. The church that services Chattsworth is located in an adjacent town, > FAIRBURY and of course, they only started keeping records around the time > our ancestors passed through, especially death records. When I researched, > there was no web page or email contact so I had to write a letter. If I had > to do it again, I would have called first, then followed it up with a letter > for specifics. It'll give the priest or today maybe a secretary more time to > look thru their books. > > You'll probably benefit if you make a "donation", I would think $15 or $20. > I just include the bills in the letter. So far, no problems after almost 40 > years. > > One thing, recommend you read about the history of the times. Tangent > information sometimes solves problems in your research. If I recall > correctly, their earliest newspaper was the "Plains Dealer" and they've got > all the early stuff on microfilm at the Chattsworth library, or post office. > I forgot. Its possible that the LDS has filmed it, but more likely they > haven't maybe they filmed the church records. Its worth checking. > > For sure, you need go to your local library and see if you can view the > film through their interlibrary loan program for reference material. Lastly, > my ancestors travelled to Chattsworth from Chicago chasing long-term work in > the mines they were supposed to dig. Unfortunatelythis never happened. Too > expensive I understand. > > In Duncan church records and other reference material, there are a few > words alluding to some pioneer ancestors may have stopped there prior to > arriving in Nebraska. > > Tomasz > > > > Valene > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Valene - > >> > >> Are you making any progress ?? Persistence !! > >> > >> Tomasz > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you tried ISTG? International ships transcribers guild. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Valene Contor <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:39:26 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NEPLATTE] Progress ?? Where is the best place to find the ship records? I've looked on www.castlegardens.org and I've looked at the institutional version of ancestry.com without any success either place. Someone told me that they thought the private version of ancestry.com is better than the instituional version, Is that where I need to go, or do you know a better way to access those records? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Valene Contor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you and yes, Maura and I were able to share information on > Catherine > > Kujawa, and I'm excited about that, and MrBill gave me some information > that > > I didn't have about John Rosno Jr. > > You are in good hands, both Maura and Mr. Bill are top notch. > > > > I'm hoping to find birth records for John's three youngest children who > were > > born in Poland. . (His youngest son, John Jr. is recorded on the St. > > John's Catholic Church records that you transcribed. (That road led to > > Tomasz!) Two daughters, Francis and Josephine are recorded on census > > records, but they are not in the Smogulec records. In addition, I have a > > personal family history source that indicates that John had a baby son, > > Casimiris, who died at sea. I would like to document him as well. > > Well, usually 3 days or so after the birth, Baptism takes place. Of course > this isn't written in rock and it's subject to various conditions. If > CASIMIR were born at sea, chances are that he wasn't formally baptized, > rather, it was common to most for the Father, and or a notable, such as the > ships Captain to baptize the baby conditionally. > > For sure, there will be an entry in the ships log manifest somewhere > concerning the baby's death. Such is quite common, the company must have > good documentation as to the people they transport. They are accountable. > > If the baby was baptized at the port of debarkation, the entry will be in > their sacramental records. If by some chance there was a priest aboard ship, > the priest would carry the sacramental informational specifics with him and > he would have recorded Baptism and Death information eventually at the > church in the port of debarkation, or more logically, at the point of > arrival. If the ship stopped somewhere else enroute, the records may be > there. > > If the baby died say 3 days or less prior to their arrival, the baby's > remains may well have been kept onboard so Baptism after the fact could be > performed by a priest and he could be buried in hallow church ground. Burial > at sea was accepted due to the necessity of the moment, however, it was > always the second choice. > > > > I'm also interested to know if they had any family events--births or > > deaths--while they were in Chatsworth. You said the church gave you a > copy > > of those early records? > > Yes. The church that services Chattsworth is located in an adjacent town, > FAIRBURY and of course, they only started keeping records around the time > our ancestors passed through, especially death records. When I researched, > there was no web page or email contact so I had to write a letter. If I had > to do it again, I would have called first, then followed it up with a letter > for specifics. It'll give the priest or today maybe a secretary more time to > look thru their books. > > You'll probably benefit if you make a "donation", I would think $15 or $20. > I just include the bills in the letter. So far, no problems after almost 40 > years. > > One thing, recommend you read about the history of the times. Tangent > information sometimes solves problems in your research. If I recall > correctly, their earliest newspaper was the "Plains Dealer" and they've got > all the early stuff on microfilm at the Chattsworth library, or post office. > I forgot. Its possible that the LDS has filmed it, but more likely they > haven't maybe they filmed the church records. Its worth checking. > > For sure, you need go to your local library and see if you can view the > film through their interlibrary loan program for reference material. Lastly, > my ancestors travelled to Chattsworth from Chicago chasing long-term work in > the mines they were supposed to dig. Unfortunatelythis never happened. Too > expensive I understand. > > In Duncan church records and other reference material, there are a few > words alluding to some pioneer ancestors may have stopped there prior to > arriving in Nebraska. > > Tomasz > > > > Valene > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Valene - > >> > >> Are you making any progress ?? Persistence !! > >> > >> Tomasz > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valene - Well, as with everything else in this genealogy business, everyone has their own way to do their research. All are good, but the BEST is the one that gives you the answer you need in an expeditious manner without relieving you of the money you received when you turned in Pop bottles. If I were you, I would call ahead to the LDS FHC where you go, or the libraries in your area to see if they have the publication "Germans to America". They have an online version at http://www.germanroots.com/gtoa.html but I don't know how good it is as I've never used it. This publication is known for its inaccuracies, which is by far with respect to the proper spelling of surnames more than anything. The people who transcribed the original ships manifests simply did not know what to make of the phonetic rendition of the proper spelling as given to the original recorder by the Polish immigrant, so the recorder documented the surname phonetically. THEN, it was rendered phonetically AGAIN in "Germans to America", a multi volume publication. There's really not much the recorder can do, I wouldn't think, to screw up the surname ROSNO, but it's possible, so you'll have to watch the spelling fairly close with emphasis on the ROS portion of the surname, the root, which has a tendency to remain intact, more or less. You know about the year they immigrated so you don't have to look through all the volumes since they are labeled by years. In this way, you will find out the dates, the ships name, and a lot of tangent information. Here, you need to get a copy of the written manifest. FOR SURE, you can get a copy at the City Admin Office, City of New York, State of New York, but there are other places available as well. You'll want a copy of the ENTIRE ships manifest which contains lots of stuff that you may not think valuable at this time. Perhaps later it will be. Anyway, you'll see the Deaths on board and the disposition of the remains plus a whole lots of other stuff. All this tangent information is important because it's all additive and paints a more complete picture which produces leads of it's own. Prior to any regulation, ships simply dropped immigrants off where ever was convenient and the people were left to their own talents in making a life for themselves, but here, New York residents and others did everything possible to relieve the immigrant of his money until finally, the immigrant and his Family became destitute, wards of the city of New York. Finally, there were just too many and it was costing the city big money to take care of these people, so the city instituted regulation demands on everything, the shipping, the processing, and the charges. In this way, the immigrant went on his way West (most went West) with a goodly portion of their money still in their pocket. As such, New York City because the repository for all the shipping manifests starting when Castle Garden until such a time as they ran out of places to store all these old manifests. Sooooooo - along came technology which produced micro film. New York City then microfilmed all the old manifests then threw them in the dumpster. Along came a feller named Ira Glazier (Later Doctor Ira Glazier) and went dumpster diving, picked out all the old original manifest books and carted them to where he worked, the Balsh Institute in Philadelphia. Then he paid a bunch of people to transcribe the information and put it all in his new, multi-volume publication, "Germans to America". If you rely on immigrant records "stored" at Castle Garden, the Barge Office, and Ellis Island, you may well have problems as periodic fires destroyed some of these records so the years you need may no longer be available. However, this is not true with the City Shipping Manifests - they're complete, and the truth be realized, that may be the only place you can confirm their presence with at lease some information available by way of research. The End Tomasz On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Valene Contor wrote: > Where is the best place to find the ship records? I've looked on > www.castlegardens.org and I've looked at the institutional version of > ancestry.com without any success either place. Someone told me that they > thought the private version of ancestry.com is better than the instituional > version, Is that where I need to go, or do you know a better way to access > those records? >