One last thought here, I double checked my records the ship manifest list Lorence and Maria, not Stanilaus and Mary. Platte county has a Mary Kus filed a naturalization, same dayas Michael. Son John was listed in the ship manifest and the 1880 census (which also listed Lorence and Mary, 1885 census gives farchin and marchin as relationship) Michael's death cert give Werner as father, info given by Katharzyna). I find this all very puzzling. At one time I thought I knew Farchin and Marchin were mother and father but then someone told me it was aunt and uncle...which is it? On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:56 PM, MONICA ZENDEJAS <[email protected]>wrote: > > Debi,Even though the 1880 census does not show "relationships" in the > household, we might assume that those are his parents living with them....I > see where you got Stanislaus and Mary as Michael Kush's parents, which > kinda confirms that his parents were not Michael Kus and Sophia Augustyn > ..... Apparently Stanislaus and Mary came to Nebraska too..... ever run > across their death/burial/obit info??? > > > _____ > > > > From: June Cook [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:13 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: 1880 census image for Mike Kush with his parents > > > > > > http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742 > > < > http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742&iid=4242037-00169&pid > > =48231721&email=> &iid=4242037-00169&pid=48231721&email= > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
No I haven't found a death record for either. But today on ancestry I found a M. Kusz on a 1899 Plat map in Platte Center, NE. Would you know anythign about that? Also I think you have or have seen the ship manifast which clearlystates Michael, Katharyzna and John Kus along with Stanilaus and Mary Kus. I have never located John again either. Birth is very close to your Joseph. Secondly, when I was talking to the priest at Krakow, he absolutly insisted Joseph, Ludwig and Michael were related. It also seems to me he had a Stainslaus in the records, which I have never seen or found else where (including 100 yr cenntenial book). I also wondered if this could be your Stantly, but realized it could not be. Any further thoughts or suggestions are greatfully accepted! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:56 PM, MONICA ZENDEJAS <[email protected]>wrote: > > Debi,Even though the 1880 census does not show "relationships" in the > household, we might assume that those are his parents living with them....I > see where you got Stanislaus and Mary as Michael Kush's parents, which > kinda confirms that his parents were not Michael Kus and Sophia Augustyn > ..... Apparently Stanislaus and Mary came to Nebraska too..... ever run > across their death/burial/obit info??? > > > _____ > > > > From: June Cook [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:13 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: 1880 census image for Mike Kush with his parents > > > > > > http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742 > > < > http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742&iid=4242037-00169&pid > > =48231721&email=> &iid=4242037-00169&pid=48231721&email= > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Kathy - I agree that I hate Ancestry's new format - I sent them emails about it all the time - not that it does any good - I still tell them on a weekly basis - To the List: The Library I volunteer in has a fairly complete set of census records including territorial census - I think NE is inlcuded on the list of territorial census we have - these are all microfilm of the images and not indexed - but I am willing to look up anyone - give me the state, county and year and family name and variations - and I will find email you a copy of the original image -
Kathy, I am an arbritrator for FHL indexing project. Each document is keyed twice by two different people and then arbitrator comes in and is given the two side by side to compare. The program highlights the differences for each line of every document. Then arbritrator decides which of the two is best or if they have a better idea of what is written. It's hard to believe that two people would see those names exactly the same right in the middle of a family. But, if they were on two different pages, then there would be two new people reading the second page. I always go to the previous page and see who is the head of household but I am guessing many do not. Some of the records are so hard to decipher and others are a breeze. I encourage anyone who has time on their hands and likes typing to join the project as it can be very habit forming. I truly love doing it. Ancestry's project is also ongoing but I find the people very hard to get along with on that site. So many times they have changed the rules and it makes it hard to stay on top of it all.....Shirley
Shirley's discussion reminded me of an old joke (maybe based on truth) about the farmer who, when hearing commotion in the hen house, grabbed his trusty shotgun and ran out in his union suit to shoot that coyote killing his chickens. The tale goes that the farmer entered the hen house planning on blasting the coyote to smithereens. However his barnyard dog came up behind and sniffed his bare tush (the back flap not being buttoned) violently startling the farmer and causing him to fire his gun killing chickens galore instead of the big bad coyote. ---- Shirley Martys <[email protected]> wrote: > > My interest was intriqued and had to find the truth.......At the turn of the twentieth century many men wore union suits as undergarments. Union suits were one-piece, knit undergarments that covered both the upper and lower body. The traditional union suit was made of cotton or wool and covered the body from the ankles to the wrists. It had a long row of buttons up the front and featured a buttoned drop seat in the rear. Union suits often shrunk when washed, making the garments uncomfortable. They also were bulky and tended to irritate the wearer. Despite these problem, they were practical undergarments that provided warmth before the days of central heating. > During the first few years of the century, several factors influenced the shape and the style of men's underwear. First, the widespread use of central heating meant that men no longer needed to wear long underwear indoors. Secondly, men's fashions began to be fitted more closely to the body, making bulky undergarments impractical. Thirdly, as sports and athletics became more popular as leisure activities, men sought out lighter forms of underwear. To accommodate these changes, underwear factories such as Chalmers Knitting Mills in Amsterdam, New York, began manufacturing less bulky, mesh garments that were comfortable for summer weather. By 1911 the first newspaper advertisements promoted patented, or original, advances in men's underwear styles. They included improvements in crotch closures and seat flaps, allowing for more comfort and better hygiene. > The athletic union suit was introduced in the early 1910s. It was a knee-length one-piece garment with a sleeveless top that gave men more mobility. In 1912 Chalmers advertised a cotton-knit athletic union suit called the Porosknit, which featured a sturdy cotton yoke front. This model boasted a no-bulge waistline and easy-to-fasten buttons that did not easily come undone; it was also breathable, which meant that air flowed easily through the fabric, keeping the wearer from getting too hot. > During World War I (1914–18) several changes occurred in the shape and styling of men's underwear. Men started wearing two-piece undergarments. The bottoms, often referred to as drawers, were knee-length cotton shorts with a few front buttons for durability and comfort. Certain models laced up at the side. Most drawers were made of cotton, although wealthy men wore silk drawers. On the upper body men wore chemises, sleeveless tops that covered the upper torso and tucked into the drawers. > Men's underwear followed this basic pattern into the twenty-first century, with both tops and bottoms made in a variety of styles. For the bottoms, men can choose from longer, looser boxer shorts, close-fitting but modest briefs, or skimpy, skin-tight bikini underwear. For the tops, men typically choose from either V-necked or crewneck T-shirts or tank tops. ....Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Tom..........just because Gertie caused more activity than tighty whities, you musn't fret about it! lol I think the reason things like this cause a fair amount of speculating and discussion is that alot of people have the same names, so you want to make sure you have the right one! That is MY reasoning anyway. KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Refinance as low as 2.625% Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d8442053848d235236st04duc
Monica........I finally came across the post you had both here and at Ancestry.! (thanks) Boy, I just can't remember where I have seen things or who said them all the time, but I did have a very faint memory swirling around the back of my brain that it had been discussed.! Now I can't find my cousin Rita's (or her sister Margaret's) phone #'s to see if they ever sent for Vera's DC. I think both may have retired and or moved. Rita (Mostek McClean) lived in Omaha until last year! The name thing is just something we have to cope with. My aunt was Frances but called Fritz, my mom, Clara but called Ki, my uncle, Adolph but called Chey.....and half the neighbors had nicknames. I spent the last couple of hours or more reading through old newspapers online for Santa Barbara Co for the person I am researching for right now. I remember why I took a break from genealogy for a few years now. lol KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d84411134f0c23b96cst06duc
Good hi - Its somewhat amazing to me in that GERTI has caused such activity here on the list. I've noted through the years that this same phenomena occurs on all other lists as well, the subject word is immaterial. Someone should coin a word for this - making ones mark in genealogy as it were. My cousin Ron agrees with Monica on AGATHA, as shown by the passenger list for the S.S. Harmonia that landed in New York, 14 June 1876, listing Florian at age 40, Agatha at 30 and 4 childreen. T
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Debi,Even though the 1880 census does not show "relationships" in the household, we might assume that those are his parents living with them....I see where you got Stanislaus and Mary as Michael Kush's parents, which kinda confirms that his parents were not Michael Kus and Sophia Augustyn ..... Apparently Stanislaus and Mary came to Nebraska too..... ever run across their death/burial/obit info??? > _____ > > From: June Cook [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: 1880 census image for Mike Kush with his parents > > > http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742 > <http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6742&iid=4242037-00169&pid > =48231721&email=> &iid=4242037-00169&pid=48231721&email= > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'm not sure if Gertie is a nickname for Agatha, but according to the church records in Leki Gorne, Poland, Florian Kula (born 4/18/1834 in Leki Gorne to Francis Kula and Sophia Podraza) married Agatha Kula (born 1/20/1841 in Leki Gorne to Valentine Kula and Frances Jasica). They were married 7/8/1862 in Leki Gorne.Vera was married in 1901 and Agatha Kula (also her maiden name) died 1919 in Duncan.Florian and Agatha had 9 kids: (that I've found)Valentine 1/22/1864-3/19/1864 John 2/4/1865-4/1/1954 m. Anna TwardowskiCatherine 1/27/1867-12/24/1936 m. George SiemekMary 1871Anna 1873 m. Stanislaus TorczonFrances 1877Joseph 1879Josepha 1/30/1882Vera 1878-2/8/1918 m. Joseph MostekFirst 5 kids born in Poland. Last 4 in Nebraska. They immigrated 6/14/1876 1880 census she is listed as Margretta, but by 1900 they have her listed more closer as Agnez. It doesn't make sense to call her Gertie or Margretta when her name is Agatha,(although they both have a "g" in them) -- but then again, it never made sense to me that most Stanislaus's were "Charles" instead of Stan! and Adalbert's were "George"...Go figure! > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:20:43 +0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NEPLATTE] Kula > > Deb, Tom, Diane etc. Thanks for the suggestions. > > Well, I am back to square one too.! I did find Florian Kula and wife Margretta in the census.......which could have been reduced to Loren and Gertie! I looked in Platte Co., then extended the search,looking for Vera, but even Veronica did not get a hit. I must say also, that the given names were so butchered too, don't know whether to blame the census takers, or the transcribers! I may be missing her given name because of that. I was hoping that someone in that extended family was doing research. > > I would really like to put Vera to rest, as in finding her parents, and her death place especially. Also siblings, which I know she must have had. I know what her years were like in between.!!!!!! I want to know that she was given a proper burial etc. Everytime I look at her picture, I expect her to tell me something. > I am finding so many loose ends in some families that I realize that I could do another 20 years of research. And many people are just starting out and want help. KathyB > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d83bea5de2732c998dst02duc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To the list.........well, after doing more searching via google, I did find posts at the Ancestry board regarding the parents of Vera Kula Mostek. Monica had posted about this, and I don't remember if I had seen it there, or if it came up when she posted the most recent query here. I note that she thought "Vera" was Frances on the census. Anything is possible where names are concerned. Nicknames were given all the time. So, it looks like Florian and Margrette were the parents. I will just have to try to get in touch with my cousin again. KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d83cb13eebd122c683st06duc
Deb, Tom, Diane etc. Thanks for the suggestions. Well, I am back to square one too.! I did find Florian Kula and wife Margretta in the census.......which could have been reduced to Loren and Gertie! I looked in Platte Co., then extended the search,looking for Vera, but even Veronica did not get a hit. I must say also, that the given names were so butchered too, don't know whether to blame the census takers, or the transcribers! I may be missing her given name because of that. I was hoping that someone in that extended family was doing research. I would really like to put Vera to rest, as in finding her parents, and her death place especially. Also siblings, which I know she must have had. I know what her years were like in between.!!!!!! I want to know that she was given a proper burial etc. Everytime I look at her picture, I expect her to tell me something. I am finding so many loose ends in some families that I realize that I could do another 20 years of research. And many people are just starting out and want help. KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d83bea5de2732c998dst02duc
Duh! I guess I was assuming that Gertie was Polish, so didn't even think of Gertrude...........even though I am researching an Irish Gertrude right now. I guess I can look them up on the census now and maybe an earlier or later one will have the full name. Thanks all, for jolting my brain. KathyB ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d838f1744cd3217de8st05duc
Hmmmmm - Well, guess we are back at square 1 again. So, GERTIE has a chance at both GERTHA and GERTRUDE. I wonder what the association is between GERTHA and GERTRUDE ?? Hoffman/Helon's -First names of the Polish commonwealth, origins and meanings- address only GERTRUDE and not GERTHA at all. Perhaps GERTHA is an offshoot of GERTRUDE. Thankfully, Kathy has to sort this all out (smile). Tom ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:22 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On my reference shelf, I keep several books entitled something like > "Name your Baby" which give a lot of information in a small packet. The > older editions which are actually more useful for genealogy purposes can > be picked up for next to nothing. > > I do have to chuckle because hints for naming are: 'avoid unusual > spellings' and 'no one wants to go through life hearing his name > mispronounced'. > > My book gives this for GERTRUDE: Origin: Teutonic Meaning: 'spear > maiden' > Dminatives: Gerta, Gerti, Gertie, Gerty, Trude, Trudy. > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:06:44 GMT "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> writes: > >> >> To the list: Sometime back, some of us were discussing VERA KULA, >> who married JOSEPH MOSTEK. I cannot for the life of me remember if >> we ever came up with her parents names. But today I was going >> through the familysearch.org site, and the names came up from the >> Nebraska Marriages. Looks like the fathers name was probably >> Lawrence, but what does Gertie stand for? Thanks. >> >> Joseph Mostek >> Groom's Birth Date: 1878 >> Groom's Birthplace: >> Groom's Age: 23 >> Bride's Name: Vera Kula >> Bride's Birth Date: 1878 >> Bride's Birthplace: >> Bride's Age: 23 >> Marriage Date: 08 Feb 1901 >> Marriage Place: Lancaster, Nebraska >> Groom's Father's Name: Geo. Mostek >> Groom's Mother's Name: Katie Mostek >> Bride's Father's Name: Loran Kula >> Bride's Mother's Name: Gertie Kula >> Groom's Race: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hmmmmm - Good post Deborah. I had not heard of GERTHA before. A random search on google, by luck of the draw, produced http://www.nameplayground.com/Gertha which shows an association between GERTHA and GERTIE. A search on the same site under GERTRUDE does NOT show an association. Ergo : the odds then favor GERTHA and not GERTRUDE. In the end, and if this is an important point to others, more research would be required. Tomasz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 18, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Deborah Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > my husband had a great aunt Gertie --- it was short for Gertha. that is > another possibility. > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:06 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> To the list: Sometime back, some of us were discussing VERA KULA, who >> married JOSEPH MOSTEK. I cannot for the life of me remember if we ever came >> up with her parents names. But today I was going through the >> familysearch.org site, and the names came up from the Nebraska Marriages. >> Looks like the fathers name was probably Lawrence, but what does Gertie >> stand for? Thanks. >>
Another more scholorly source has these versions: English: Gertrude German: Trude Italian: Geltrude Norwegian: Gerthud Polish: Giertrude Swedish, Hungarian: Gertrud Spanish: Gertrudis French, Russian, Greek: No equivalent On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:57:23 GMT "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes: > > Duh! I guess I was assuming that Gertie was Polish, so didn't > even think of Gertrude...........even though I am researching an > Irish Gertrude right now. I guess I can look them up on the census > now and maybe an earlier or later one will have the full name. > Thanks all, for jolting my brain. KathyB
On my reference shelf, I keep several books entitled something like "Name your Baby" which give a lot of information in a small packet. The older editions which are actually more useful for genealogy purposes can be picked up for next to nothing. I do have to chuckle because hints for naming are: 'avoid unusual spellings' and 'no one wants to go through life hearing his name mispronounced'. My book gives this for GERTRUDE: Origin: Teutonic Meaning: 'spear maiden' Dminatives: Gerta, Gerti, Gertie, Gerty, Trude, Trudy. On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:06:44 GMT "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes: > > To the list: Sometime back, some of us were discussing VERA KULA, > who married JOSEPH MOSTEK. I cannot for the life of me remember if > we ever came up with her parents names. But today I was going > through the familysearch.org site, and the names came up from the > Nebraska Marriages. Looks like the fathers name was probably > Lawrence, but what does Gertie stand for? Thanks. > > Joseph Mostek > Groom's Birth Date: 1878 > Groom's Birthplace: > Groom's Age: 23 > Bride's Name: Vera Kula > Bride's Birth Date: 1878 > Bride's Birthplace: > Bride's Age: 23 > Marriage Date: 08 Feb 1901 > Marriage Place: Lancaster, Nebraska > Groom's Father's Name: Geo. Mostek > Groom's Mother's Name: Katie Mostek > Bride's Father's Name: Loran Kula > Bride's Mother's Name: Gertie Kula > Groom's Race:
my husband had a great aunt Gertie --- it was short for Gertha. that is another possibility. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:06 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > > To the list: Sometime back, some of us were discussing VERA KULA, who > married JOSEPH MOSTEK. I cannot for the life of me remember if we ever came > up with her parents names. But today I was going through the > familysearch.org site, and the names came up from the Nebraska Marriages. > Looks like the fathers name was probably Lawrence, but what does Gertie > stand for? Thanks. > > Joseph Mostek > Groom's Birth Date: 1878 > Groom's Birthplace: > Groom's Age: 23 > Bride's Name: Vera Kula > Bride's Birth Date: 1878 > Bride's Birthplace: > Bride's Age: 23 > Marriage Date: 08 Feb 1901 > Marriage Place: Lancaster, Nebraska > Groom's Father's Name: Geo. Mostek > Groom's Mother's Name: Katie Mostek > Bride's Father's Name: Loran Kula > Bride's Mother's Name: Gertie Kula > Groom's Race: > > ____________________________________________________________ > Obama Urges Refinance > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d82be5f210c22bcb57st01duc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Deb Matthews contact me at [email protected] or [email protected]
I agree with Tom, my(adopted) Mom's name was Gertrude. Cris Atwater CA On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Thomas E. Lassek <[email protected]>wrote: > I would guestilate that "Gertie" probably is the short form of Gertrude. > Tom > > > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > To the list: Sometime back, some of us were discussing VERA KULA, who > married JOSEPH MOSTEK. I cannot for the life of me remember if we ever came > up with her parents names. But today I was going through the > familysearch.org site, and the names came up from the Nebraska Marriages. > Looks like the fathers name was probably Lawrence, but what does Gertie > stand for? Thanks. > > > > Joseph Mostek > > Groom's Birth Date: 1878 > > Groom's Birthplace: > > Groom's Age: 23 > > Bride's Name: Vera Kula > > Bride's Birth Date: 1878 > > Bride's Birthplace: > > Bride's Age: 23 > > Marriage Date: 08 Feb 1901 > > Marriage Place: Lancaster, Nebraska > > Groom's Father's Name: Geo. Mostek > > Groom's Mother's Name: Katie Mostek > > Bride's Father's Name: Loran Kula > > Bride's Mother's Name: Gertie Kula > > Groom's Race: > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Obama Urges Refinance > > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Programs > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d82be5f210c22bcb57st01duc > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Life may not be the party we hoped for.. But while we're here we might as well dance !