In a message dated 3/5/99 12:28:14 AM, judyk@eagle.ptialaska.net wrote: << John M GINTHER b. Mar 14, 1796 PA, m. Jun 25, 1824 at Allen, Dixon, NE to Rosanah STOCKER b. Jun 16, 1807 PA dau. Catherine M GINTHER b. Apr 15, 1850 IA, m. Jan 01, 1869 IA to Nelson F LOY b. Sep 15,1848>> Don't give up! I have some Ginthers who have to be connected. Just had laser eye surgery, so my computer time is a bit limited. My Ginthers married into my Kimball line, as I recall. I'll have to dig. Wayne Montgomery