I'm a bit slow in jumping in on this one but totally agree. This individual emails me every couple of months with the same request. On the other hand she could pay me to advertise for her, since that's what I would be doing. Right? That never seems to come into the equation. I just delete her messages. Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Kibbie [mailto:csnkibbie@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:33 PM To: NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NDGENWEB-L] FW: link to county page Dear Tim and other ND CCs- No doubt others of you have received the following e-mail request. -----Original Message----- From: Patrice [mailto:patrice@pop.ctctel.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:59 AM To: csnkibbie@attbi.com Subject: link to county page Charlotte: I conduct genealogical research in North Dakota and I am also the President of the North Dakota State genealogical Society. Thank you for putting a link to the North Dakota State Genealogical Society website on each of your county pages. Would you please put a link to my research page on the main page of each of your North Dakota county pages? Please list only the following title on the link: Professional Genealogical Research Services http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndstark/hartsearch I have access to all the North Dakota federal and state census records, many of the county and town histories, newspapers and I also conduct research at the North Dakota State archives. . Thank you very much. Patrice Hartman I would like to share my feelings and welcome feedback and insights from each of you. Here's my imput. I will answer her question as stated with an emphatic - NO. It is my understanding that the USGenWeb Project is focused on offering free genealogical research information. I know that some CCs participating in the project forget that. I intend to be one CC who is dedicated to keeping that focus. Therefore I will not post her link on the main page. However, professional services do have a place so at some point I imagine I'll be posting some such information BUT not on the main page. This particular request flashed a red flag to me. Even with a disclaimer (which would be a must) I don't feel comfortable placing her link on my site. With a link already to the North Dakota State Genealogical Society researchers should find her info there. And it is there. This is why I'm writing this message, I can't state the particulars of why I'm sensing hesitancy, but I am. Here's a link I recommend for guidelines when considering hiring a professional researcher. Go to www.familysearch.org. Click on the Search tab. Click on Research Helps. On the left, click on Sorted by Title. Click H, then scroll down and click on the title "Hiring a Professional Genealogist". How do the rest of you feel about this message and the topic of links to specific research genealogists in general? Char Kibbie CC for Dickey Co. NDGenWeb CC for Sargent Co. NDGenWeb

At 09:18 AM 9/15/02 -0400, Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny wrote: >I have begun to receive the 1930 Census films from Heritage Quest, >slowly. Adams is now online and others will follow interspersed with the >1920 scans which are complete thru McKenzie. The delay for receipt of >each roll of film is about 8 weeks so next year is the target for >completion of the 1930 scans. If you are linked to your respective >county page in the Archives your reseachers will be well served as I put >up the finished scans. > >Joe Thank you Joe for your continued work in assisting the CCs and more importantly the North Dakota researchers. Tim

I have begun to receive the 1930 Census films from Heritage Quest, slowly. Adams is now online and others will follow interspersed with the 1920 scans which are complete thru McKenzie. The delay for receipt of each roll of film is about 8 weeks so next year is the target for completion of the 1930 scans. If you are linked to your respective county page in the Archives your reseachers will be well served as I put up the finished scans. Joe

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndgenweb/ use it if you wish. Tim

The Election Committee is searching for volunteers who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The "job" includes: Developing a working relationship with SCs and/or ASCs to maintain a current Project membership list; working hard the month of June and part of July to host the USGenWeb Project's Annual Election and the satisfaction of working with a good group of people to handle a very difficult job. Following are the positions open: Member at Large Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northeast North Central Region Term: Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northwest Plains Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southeast Mid Atlantic Term - Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term - Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southwest South Central Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ If you are interested in volunteering for the EC please drop a note to: usgenwebec@mindspring.com or contact me direct at: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Thank you for your time and please consider volunteering. Linda Davenport Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee

The Election Committee is searching for volunteers who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The "job" includes: Developing a working relationship with SCs and/or ASCs to maintain a current Project membership list; working hard the month of June and part of July to host the USGenWeb Project's Annual Election and the satisfaction of working with a good group of people to handle a very difficult job. Following are the positions open: Member at Large Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northeast North Central Region Term: Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northwest Plains Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southeast Mid Atlantic Term - Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term - Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southwest South Central Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ If you are interested in volunteering for the EC please drop a note to: usgenwebec@mindspring.com or contact me direct at: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Thank you for your time and please consider volunteering. Linda Davenport Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee

>From an All List post. Re: [ALL-L] tech question Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:49:15 -0500 From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com If you are referring to the post that says it is sending you a cleaner for the Klez virus you have, DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT - that attachment is, itself, a virus. The bad sentence structure and word usage in some of the posts containing viruses sometimes makes it possible to tell them from the "real thing", but sometimes not, so be careful and don't open anything you don't know for sure is OK - I have even received some that were forged to look like they came from RootsWeb and USGenWeb addresses. Carol Joe

I have been getting about a dozen Klez virus messages daily. Today one of our CCs got a message reputedly from me (not so) with this included: Trendmicro give you the W32.Klez.E removal tools W32.Klez.E is a dangerous virus that spread through email. For more information,please visit http://www.Trendmicro.comm I put the extra "m" at the end of the URL so that no one will inadvertenly click on it. Anyway, if you tried to use this so called tool you would wipe out your harddrive. If you get ANY suspicious messages like this from any one you know check with them before doing anything. Best to put these in your trash and then immediately empty the trash. Here is something else that might help keep viruses from taking over your address book. Put some of this garbage as the first entry in your book: @%$&*^($. Some tell me that this frustrates the effort. Viruses that take over an address book propagate by sending everyone in your book a message with a virus attached. You think a friend send a message but really you are receiving a virus. Norton 2002, which I keep updated routinely, catches the viruses coming into my machine. If you have broadband and stay online all the time a firewall is a must. I use Tiny Software's Personal Firewall and have never been hacked. Hope this helps Joe

Hi everyone- Lorraine Manz contacted me yesterday with the info below that I just added to the Dickey and Sargent County websites. I thought you might be interested and wish to add it to your websites if you don't already have it. -Char Kibbie CC for Dickey Co. NDGenWeb CC for Sargent Co. NDGenWeb __________________________ The Initial Point governing ND land surveys is known as the Fifth Principal adopted in 1815. The Fifth Principal governs surveys (wholly or in part) in the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota*, and South Dakota. The coordinates for the Fifth Principal are latitude 34° 38' 45" and longitude 91° 03' 07". (* wholly) Thank you to Lorraine A. Manz, Geologist North Dakota Geological Survey Tel: (701) 328 8000 600 East Boulevard Fax: (701) 328 8010 Bismarck, ND 50505-0840 E-mail: lmanz@state.nd.us If you have other questions regarding initial points for land surveys Lorraine recommends checking out the following web page, which is on the California BLM website. http://www.ca.blm.gov/webmanual/id131_m.htm

Dear Tim and other ND CCs- No doubt others of you have received the following e-mail request. -----Original Message----- From: Patrice [mailto:patrice@pop.ctctel.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:59 AM To: csnkibbie@attbi.com Subject: link to county page Charlotte: I conduct genealogical research in North Dakota and I am also the President of the North Dakota State genealogical Society. Thank you for putting a link to the North Dakota State Genealogical Society website on each of your county pages. Would you please put a link to my research page on the main page of each of your North Dakota county pages? Please list only the following title on the link: Professional Genealogical Research Services http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndstark/hartsearch I have access to all the North Dakota federal and state census records, many of the county and town histories, newspapers and I also conduct research at the North Dakota State archives. . Thank you very much. Patrice Hartman I would like to share my feelings and welcome feedback and insights from each of you. Here's my imput. I will answer her question as stated with an emphatic - NO. It is my understanding that the USGenWeb Project is focused on offering free genealogical research information. I know that some CCs participating in the project forget that. I intend to be one CC who is dedicated to keeping that focus. Therefore I will not post her link on the main page. However, professional services do have a place so at some point I imagine I'll be posting some such information BUT not on the main page. This particular request flashed a red flag to me. Even with a disclaimer (which would be a must) I don't feel comfortable placing her link on my site. With a link already to the North Dakota State Genealogical Society researchers should find her info there. And it is there. This is why I'm writing this message, I can't state the particulars of why I'm sensing hesitancy, but I am. Here's a link I recommend for guidelines when considering hiring a professional researcher. Go to www.familysearch.org. Click on the Search tab. Click on Research Helps. On the left, click on Sorted by Title. Click H, then scroll down and click on the title "Hiring a Professional Genealogist". How do the rest of you feel about this message and the topic of links to specific research genealogists in general? Char Kibbie CC for Dickey Co. NDGenWeb CC for Sargent Co. NDGenWeb

Hi everyone- Lorraine Manz contacted me yesterday with the info below that I just added to the Dickey and Sargent County websites. I thought you might be interested and wish to add it to your websites if you don't already have it. -Char Kibbie CC for Dickey Co. NDGenWeb CC for Sargent Co. NDGenWeb The Initial Point governing ND land surveys is known as the Fifth Principal adopted in 1815. The Fifth Principal governs surveys (wholly or in part) in the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota*, and South Dakota. The coordinates for the Fifth Principal are latitude 34° 38' 45" and longitude 91° 03' 07". (* wholly) Thank you to Lorraine A. Manz, Geologist North Dakota Geological Survey Tel: (701) 328 8000 600 East Boulevard Fax: (701) 328 8010 Bismarck, ND 50505-0840 E-mail: lmanz@state.nd.us If you have other questions regarding initial points for land surveys Lorraine recommends checking out the following web page, which is on the California BLM website. http://www.ca.blm.gov/webmanual/id131_m.htm

>From the Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project To Teresa Lindquist: The Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project has voted to declare you a member not in good standing. This action has been taken due to your disregard for the responsibilities associated with being an Advisory Board Member. To wit: You have exhibited total disregard and disrespect for the responsibilities of your office as evidenced by your public posting of executive session correspondence; thus, betraying the trust of fellow board members and all members of the Project who have brought concerns and grievances forward. Having been found "not in good standing", you will not have access to Board-Exec; not be eligible to serve on committees; and your posts to Board-L will be moderated. Should you choose to appeal this decision, you may offer your reasons and an explanation for your actions to the National Coordinator. (Signed) Holly Timm, National Coordinator, USGenWeb Project Members in favor: Tina Vickery, Jana Black, Richard Harrison, Kathy Heidel, Phyllis Rippee, Ron Eason, Betsy Mills, Vicki Shaffer, Pam Reid, Ginger Hayes, Tim Stowell, Mary Ann Hetrick Members opposed: (none responded as opposed)

Here is a piece of news we can all be proud of. Effective 7/9/02 the name USGenWeb was officially registered. The registration number is 2591173. The second application is still pending. I will let you all know when it is approved. Joe Zsedeny Chair, Trademark Committee

Although we have a number of volunteers already, I would like to be sure everyone has had a chance to see the call for volunteers (included below). I will continue to accept volunteers until Wednesday night midnight June 26th. I will announce the committee membership Friday evening June 28th or Saturday morning June 29th. Holly Timm, National Coordinator, USGenWeb Project (please forward as appropriate, including all state lists) ------------------------------ Several incidents over time have brought up the discussion at times of a "Bill of Rights", most recently by some on the Bylaws Committee. Both the Bylaws and Guidelines Committee are addressing clarifying and updating some of the requirements, structure and procedure that is perhaps part of how we deal with each other within the project but may not touch on all areas particularly those touching on matters of respect and its opposite, abuse. Although what has been most vocalized publicly is *abuse* or *unfair treatment* of CC's, it is a two way street and SC's as well have been abused as have other volunteers. I am therefore calling for volunteers and creating a Rights & Responsibilities Committee to discuss and investigate these issues, and, if they determine it appropriate, drafting a Volunteer Bill of Rights and Responsibilities. It does need to be perfectly clear that those who volunteer must be open to all sides of the problems, CC, SC, et cetera and be willing to discuss and consider the issues with an open mind. This is neither a *bashing* committee nor a *whitewash* committee. There are no qualifications regarding project position (except one must have some position in the project) but volunteers must make some statement as to why they feel they should be on the committee and why they feel they can be open minded about it. Those interested in the being on the committee should write me with the responses mentioned at usgenweb@cox.net Holly

Beginning Monday, 10 June 2002, RootsWeb will begin the complex and time-consuming process of upgrading our servers to new hardware. o What does this mean for you? Well, it means some servers will be unavailable during this time and we are asking for your patience. For up-to-date information about the different resources, you can visit http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ as the move progresses. o Web Pages: FTP will be down so that changes can't be made to pages until everything is working correctly on the new servers. There will be a short time that the pages will not be available as the transfer takes place. o List Administrators: When the time comes to move list servers, we will be halting operation on the machine to complete the move. We expect to have the machines down the least amount of time possible. No mail will be sent from or posted to your mailing lists. We do not expect to lose any messages. o Board Administrators: Nothing, unless your board happens to be gatewayed to a mailing list then the information for list administrators apply. Thank you for your patience and understanding while we go through a few "growing pains." - RootsWeb Staff

The EC received only a few nominations over the week-end (perhaps everyone was out enjoying a nice summer week-end). This is much different from last year when the EC was flooded with nominations the first day. You may see the status of the current nominations at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/2002nominations.html Please forward this to any appropriate list. Thank you The USGenWeb Project Election Committee

The following Bylaws Amendment, sponsored by ORGenweb, has been posted to the USGenWeb Project site: http://www.usgenweb.org/official/amendments.html#oregon I, John Henry McCoy, State Coordinator for Oregon GenWeb Project, do hereby submit the following AMENDMENT for consideration by the voting membership of The UsGenWeb Project, in compliance with the current Bylaws, it having been approved for submission by the coordinators in the State of Oregon: Proposed as Amendment, pertaining to Article II, section 2 of The UsGenWeb Project Bylaws, which originally reads Section 2. This purpose shall be accomplished by presenting websites which shall be central repositories of historical and genealogical research data, donated either by the website Coordinator or other contributor. In presenting this information, the foundation of the organization shall be at the local websites (county, township, parish, town, etc.) which shall be linked to the state websites which shall be linked to the national website. The UsGenWeb Project shall also provide a "digital library" called The UsGenWeb Project Archives(SM). Shall be amended to read as follows: Section 2. This purpose shall be accomplished by a mutual linkage of websites which shall be central repositories of historical and genealogical research data. The National website shall link to each State website, each state website shall link back to the national website. Each local website within each State shall mutually link to the State website, or County website if intermediate levels are provided. Each state shall link to their respective County and Local websites as well as other intermediate level websites within that county. All recognized USGenWeb Project sites will have The USGenWeb Logo prominently displayed near the top of the dedicated USGenWeb Project page and will link to the national website. The UsGenWeb Project shall also provide a Digital Library (specifically "The USGenWeb Project Data Library") and other sites including but not limited to "Special Projects".

If you get the chance to see/read/purchase - An Indian Winter by Russell Freedman - I think you would enjoy it. It covers the 1833-34 Maximilian-Bodmer Expedition uo the Missouri River passing from St. Louis to Fort McKenzie near the present day Great Falls, MT. The signifigance for North Dakota is that it mentions a tribe of Indian I'd not heard tell of before - Hidatsa. It also speaks of the Mandan. It is full of beautiful art work showing Indians in native dress as well as old paintings and sketches of the area. In the back of the book there is a 'places to visit' section that includes - Fort Clark - Mercer County; Knife River Indina Villages - Mercer County; Ward Earthlodge Village - Bismarck plus the North Dakota Heritage Center also in Bismarck. Even though your particular county may not be mentioned, it is a very interesting read. The book I'm refering to was published for Scholastic, Inc for $12.50 new, paperback - which is laminated. While this was published in 1992 - it can be had relatively cheap - even used. The ISBN number is 0-590-48070-7. My copy was acquired through half.com - for 99 cents plus shipping and handling or about $3.50. I was also unaware of the website half.com - but highly recommend it as a way to save money on book purchases. Tim

Please forward to appropriate USGenWeb Project lists. _____ USGenWeb Publicity/Promotion Standing Committee - Report to Project On March 6th, the USGenWeb Publicity/Promotion Standing Committee was convened. The task of the committee is to develop means of publicity and promotion, such as, but not limited to newsletters, brochures and web pages to accomplish this purpose, and will be available to work with all committees and organizations within the USGenWeb Project to assist and advise them with publicity and promotion. The formation of a Newsletter Task Team, Brochures Task Team, and a Help Task team has been accomplished and discussions are ongoing within each of the teams. The Newsletter Team has discussed intended audience; content areas, distribution method, and involvement of the USGenWeb Project community in its efforts. The Brochures Team has engaged in discussion of content, logos for brochures, and different programs for generating the brochures. The Help Team, is the latest Team to be formed and they will be discussing preparation of pages of how to's, tips, and ideas for all USGWeb Project volunteers. These will include technical tips on HTML, FTP, graphics; help with design, navigation, and accessibility; page design and where to find resources. This team will also be ready to assist the Guidelines Committee with any subsidiary pages found necessary or useful. Respectfully, Tina Vickery Chairperson, USGenWeb Publicity and Promotion Committee

From: "Charlotte Kibbie" <csnkibbie@attbi.com> > I am the new CC for Dickey County. > I just returned from the UGA Conference in SLC. It was wonderful except for > one heart-sickening episode. I went to the newly remodeled Family History > Library in Salt Lake City. They have many computers (100s) available to > their patrons. I sat at 2 different ones to pull up the Dickey County page > and was horrified. (It was worse than walking by a mirror on a bad-hair > day!)The page didn't look at all like the one I viewed on my computer at > home or my daughter's in Bountiful, Utah. At the FHL it has the red and > green guidelines around my tables that I scripted as remarks and the text is > not spaced correctly. I was sorely disappointed. > Can someone explain what has happened? Is there something I can do to clean > up the mess? Char, I viewed your page through MSIE, Netscape and Opera and they all looked fine. I no longer have Mosaic on my computer so cannot check through that sorry. I second Joe's suggestions about having you html code checked.... HTH, ~Lee