In every case of 'anything' Don I try to get permission to have on my county site. I realize that in some cases it causes duplicity. In some cases it is a lot of work. For example: I'm working on one now where someone has done a bunch of tombstones transcriptions but I don't get a response to my emails. My plan now is to have a page on my county site listing just the surnames, (so the search picks them up) and then link to this lady's site. But to me the greatest advantage is being able to have that data under my search utility on my county site as a most advantageous aide to the researcher. I'm not always successful in doing that but I try. Now, you have me going on to learn something new. I need to find out more about this "Find A Grave" site. If I learn anything I will let you know. Sincerely, Mike Emmons Traill ----- Original Message ----- From: <DTGARDNER@aol.com> To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: [NDGENWEB-L] Cemeteries again > I copied the list of Ward County Cemeteries included in the "Find a Grave" > program. > > Should I link the Cemetery names I have in Ward County Roots to this site? I > know some believe this is not a permanent record and should not be used. > > Would it be possible to cut a deal with the folks running Find A Grave to > copy them into the GenWeb Archives? > > I just looked up the cemeteries listed @ USGS for Ward County and got the > township from XY. Now each cemetery appears in the correct township. I have also > recieved some from helpers which are also included. The list from "Find a > Grave" has some listed that I don't have as yet. > > I guess the question is, How do we take advantage of all the recources > available in order to provide as much accurate information as possible. > > Don Gardner >

I thank Joy also. I have one county in Iowa I've been working on cemeteries for a year and a half and I know it's not current and I'm beginning to think it never will be. I've been blessed in Emmons County because a gentlemen by the name of Ronald Kremer took it on in late 80's or early 90's I understand and has it all documented. Cemeteries on farms, cemeteries with two or three graves, etc. A much much larger list than USGS provides. He did a fantastic job but we don't think it's current or complete. It seems like an ongoing project but what I've learned in the last few days from this listing is certainly going to ease the pain. Sincerely, Mike Emmons Traill > I suppose in the last ten years or so I have spent days anguishing over trying to identify cemeteries to generate a list of cems as a basis to start visiting cemeteries. I work with the (now a book) list of ND State Health Department official licensed cemeteries and others that are not licensed which usualy give the descirption in legal descriiption to the nearest section, then the Geological Survey page which gives the locations in GPS longitude and latitude, then the various county atlases from old time to recent, then the ND county road maps. In most of those maps the cemeteries are a box with a cross or a cross, but almost never a

Hi Gang I'm answering to the list, but really writing to Joy. What a Joy you are! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. --for the Montana page that translates from GPS converted, --to legal descriptions. I have book marked the page and intend to try it out. I'm temporarily out of the cemetery business, having compiled the Sioux County book we worked on from Feb to July. I suppose in the last ten years or so I have spent days anguishing over trying to identify cemeteries to generate a list of cems as a basis to start visiting cemeteries. I work with the (now a book) list of ND State Health Department official licensed cemeteries and others that are not licensed which usualy give the descirption in legal descriiption to the nearest section, then the Geological Survey page which gives the locations in GPS longitude and latitude, then the various county atlases from old time to recent, then the ND county road maps. In most of those maps the cemeteries are a box with a cross or a cross, but almost never a name. The list that is inlcuded in the Geologic Survey includes names, but some of them I think they invented, as they do not match any of the official given names for the cemetery, although each cemetery probably has several names it goes by. How do you try to put all than information together to develop a list of cemeteries and their legal locations? I have spent days and weeks in total, translating GPS to degrees, minutes, and seconds and then plotting on the county highway map which has a few lines of laltitude and longitude in that form to try to see if the Geologic Survey cemeteries match any that are found from the other sources. Almost never does my plot come out to the exact location of the cemetery on the maps. Often there is a reason for that, in that they cemetery on the map is not located in the right part of the section, or even in the right section. As we visit the cemteries, the county natives ask if we knew about such and such a cemetery which is located here or there. Often we have not, and that is added to our list with a change of numbering until we get to the very end of the project and declare our numbers to be stable. Occasionaly the county Register has a list of cemeteries and their locations but that is rare. We always generate a list of cemeteries and their descriptions, license numbers and locations etc. etc. for the Register. I don't know if they ever use it, but at least now they have such a list. I'm hoping that if we compile any more cemetery books that your translation page will be a Godsend to us dummies who have to attempt to 'find' all the county cemeteries and get there for the several trips it takes to get them compiled into the book, described, located, with physical directions on how to get to the cemtery from some known landmark. So, Joy--thanks again! George L. Barron, 8399 33rd St. SE, Jamestown

Thanks Joe. In the process of doing three different counties I am finding some errors in USGS but not many. My biggest problem was in the conversion to decimal places and now I'm humming along. I will be checking out Tiger soon to see if easier steps than what I've been going through. It sounds like it is. Thanks again. Sincerely, Mike Emmons Traill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net> To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NDGENWEB-L] (no subject) > Okay, Mike, lets find the village of Pembina, Pembina County with > USGS coordinates of > 485759N, 0971436W or 48degrees 57' 59", 097degrees 14' 36". To > convert: 48.57/60+59/3600 = 48.9664 and > 097.14/60+36/3600 = -97.2433. The minus is needed because we are west > of the zero or Greenwich, UK meridian. Anyway put these coordinates > into http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Use the select > chart to plot roads, villages, etc. There may be errors in some of > the coordinates given by USGS, I don't know. > > For those who like to explore cemeteries and own a GPS receiver it > should be possible to stand in the middle of a cemetery, take a > reading, record the coordinates and later use the above method to > exactly plot the cemetery for a drive to map. > > Joe > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:50:32 -0700, Mike Peterson wrote: > >When I first started on something like this I was using msn mappoint > >but > >when I entered USGS coordinates into the parameters it would take me > >to > >weird places mostly out of the county and some ended up invalid. Now > >I'm > >thinking that the conversion Joe is talking about below is what > >mappoint > >also uses. Joe, could you provide us an example of a USGS converted? > >I know > >you provided a formula but I guess it's because of the terminology > >that I > >don't follow. > >Sincerely, > >Mike > >Emmons > >Traill > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net> > >To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:35 AM > >Subject: Re: [NDGENWEB-L] (no subject) > > > > > >>Hi Don, > >> > >>I don't know if this will help but you can use the township maps > >>from > >>the Ward County Archives page: > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/nd/ward/ward.htm to locate the > >>townships. > >> > >>Then, and I really hesitate to get into this because it is > >>complicated and I haven't used it for several years but here goes. > >> > >>If you have the geographical coordinates from the USGS they can be > >>converted from degrees, minutes, seconds to degrees and tenths and > >>plugged into the Census Bureau Tiger Map Server Gazatteer. Here is > >>the general URL for the Tiger Map Browser: > >>http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Using the converted > >>USGS coordinates for any location you can create a map with county, > >>state and US highway numbers pinpointing cemeteries, towns or > >>whatever for a drive to. For examples go here: > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Endpembin/cemdex.htm. > >> > >>Conversion from degrees, minutes, seconds is > >>degrees.min/60+sec/3600. > >> > >>Joy, if I screwed this up please step in <G>. > >> > >>Joe Zsedeny > >> > >> > >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:05:35 EDT, DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: > >>>Hello > >>> > >>>I just updated "Ward County Roots". > >>> > >>>I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and > >>>the XY > >>>Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could > >>>be > >>>in the > >>>middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a > >>>better > >>>location > >>>please let me know > >>> > >>>If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many > >>>missing > >>>places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. > >>> > >>>I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on > >>>line next. > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>>Don Gardner > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >

And......if you click on those ten additional sites, each of them will have ten more, and you click on them. When you're done you start going 'back' on your browser clicking on all them sites until you get back where you need to enter and new lat/long. Saves you having to go back and enter 'all' those lat/longs. Montana also will provide you with the name of the township - sometimes - In Traill it gave me a name on everyone, in Emmons, not so. But then on further research, the townships which Montana didn't have townships name for, I couldn't find anywhere else either and in fact it did provide me with a township name in Emmons which I didn't have. It's a very neat site Also - if you want an actual map generated out of mapquest which will give you in almost all cases roads, streets, etc., then try using msn mappoint. Here is a typical html statement for them. <a href="http://mappoint.msn.com/(zxkolojhpskgm545g1smfh55)/map.aspx?L=USA&C=46 .298%2c-100.483&A=64.50000&P=|46.298%2c-100.483|1|Baptist Cemetery|L1|"> <B>View Map</B> </a> Change the two occurances of lat, i.e., 46.298 and long, i.e., 100.483 to the decimal degrees described by Joy earlier. Then insert the name of the Cemetery, i.e. Baptist Cemetery. Do not destroy any codes, brackets, etc. The above will give you a mapquest map with ability to zoom in and out, etc. Maybe the Tiger address provided before will do the same, I haven't tried that yet. I appreciate all the help I've received here. It's helped a lot. Sincerely, Mike > > It gives me the decimal latitude and longitude, plus > the legal description : > > North Dakota, Fifth Principal Meridian T163N,R51W,sec4 > > > Plus it gives me 10 more nearby named places - and the > distance to each one.

Super ! Thank you Joy ! Mike Emmons Traill > Now for the math in order to use any of the mapping > web sites: > > latitude = 46 + 8/60 + 8/3600 = 46 + .13333 + .00222 = > 46.1356 degrees > > longitude = 99 + 28/60 + 15/3600 = 99 + .466667 + > .0041667 = 99.4708 degrees > > Now I go to whatever mapping software I want to use > and enter these coordinates.

Okay, Mike, lets find the village of Pembina, Pembina County with USGS coordinates of 485759N, 0971436W or 48degrees 57' 59", 097degrees 14' 36". To convert: 48.57/60+59/3600 = 48.9664 and 097.14/60+36/3600 = -97.2433. The minus is needed because we are west of the zero or Greenwich, UK meridian. Anyway put these coordinates into http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Use the select chart to plot roads, villages, etc. There may be errors in some of the coordinates given by USGS, I don't know. For those who like to explore cemeteries and own a GPS receiver it should be possible to stand in the middle of a cemetery, take a reading, record the coordinates and later use the above method to exactly plot the cemetery for a drive to map. Joe On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:50:32 -0700, Mike Peterson wrote: >When I first started on something like this I was using msn mappoint >but >when I entered USGS coordinates into the parameters it would take me >to >weird places mostly out of the county and some ended up invalid. Now >I'm >thinking that the conversion Joe is talking about below is what >mappoint >also uses. Joe, could you provide us an example of a USGS converted? >I know >you provided a formula but I guess it's because of the terminology >that I >don't follow. >Sincerely, >Mike >Emmons >Traill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net> >To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:35 AM >Subject: Re: [NDGENWEB-L] (no subject) > > >>Hi Don, >> >>I don't know if this will help but you can use the township maps >>from >>the Ward County Archives page: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/nd/ward/ward.htm to locate the >>townships. >> >>Then, and I really hesitate to get into this because it is >>complicated and I haven't used it for several years but here goes. >> >>If you have the geographical coordinates from the USGS they can be >>converted from degrees, minutes, seconds to degrees and tenths and >>plugged into the Census Bureau Tiger Map Server Gazatteer. Here is >>the general URL for the Tiger Map Browser: >>http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Using the converted >>USGS coordinates for any location you can create a map with county, >>state and US highway numbers pinpointing cemeteries, towns or >>whatever for a drive to. For examples go here: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Endpembin/cemdex.htm. >> >>Conversion from degrees, minutes, seconds is >>degrees.min/60+sec/3600. >> >>Joy, if I screwed this up please step in <G>. >> >>Joe Zsedeny >> >> >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:05:35 EDT, DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: >>>Hello >>> >>>I just updated "Ward County Roots". >>> >>>I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and >>>the XY >>>Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could >>>be >>>in the >>>middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a >>>better >>>location >>>please let me know >>> >>>If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many >>>missing >>>places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. >>> >>>I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on >>>line next. >>> >>>Thanks >>>Don Gardner >> >> >> >>

Hey gang When you get all through finding the GPS coordinates, you can find that cemetery by setting your receiver and following the pointer until it sez you are here. Most of us don't have time to do it that way. We are looking to find the cemetery's location on the township map which is a part of the county atlas or whatever. We'd like to know what road to take and about where from the corner of that section we are to starting looking for some white stones and a mob of lilacs. So when you get all through dinging with latitude and longitude etc., have you found any easy method for translating that to the legal discription as being in the NE1/4 of section 10-144-65? If you have--let us all know as it would make life a heck of a lot easier for those of us who have to find those cemeteries. George

Hi George and everyone: If the math gives you brain cramps, go to http://www.esg.montana.edu/gl/xy-data2.html You do not even have to convert the degrees, minutes, seconds to decimal degrees. Taking Joe's example of Pembina, I typed in 48 57 59 into the first three boxes and 97 14 36 into the next 3 and clicked "submit" It gives me the decimal latitude and longitude, plus the legal description : North Dakota, Fifth Principal Meridian T163N,R51W,sec4 Plus it gives me 10 more nearby named places - and the distance to each one. --- "George L. Barron" <gbarron@daktel.com> wrote: > Hey gang > > When you get all through finding the GPS > coordinates, you can find that cemetery by setting > your receiver and following the pointer until it sez > you are here. > > Most of us don't have time to do it that way. We > are looking to find the cemetery's location on the > township map which is a part of the county atlas or > whatever. We'd like to know what road to take and > about where from the corner of that section we are > to starting looking for some white stones and a mob > of lilacs. > > So when you get all through dinging with latitude > and longitude etc., have you found any easy method > for translating that to the legal discription as > being in the NE1/4 of section 10-144-65? If you > have--let us all know as it would make life a heck > of a lot easier for those of us who have to find > those cemeteries. > > George > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hi Don, I don't know if this will help but you can use the township maps from the Ward County Archives page: http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/nd/ward/ward.htm to locate the townships. Then, and I really hesitate to get into this because it is complicated and I haven't used it for several years but here goes. If you have the geographical coordinates from the USGS they can be converted from degrees, minutes, seconds to degrees and tenths and plugged into the Census Bureau Tiger Map Server Gazatteer. Here is the general URL for the Tiger Map Browser: http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Using the converted USGS coordinates for any location you can create a map with county, state and US highway numbers pinpointing cemeteries, towns or whatever for a drive to. For examples go here: http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Endpembin/cemdex.htm. Conversion from degrees, minutes, seconds is degrees.min/60+sec/3600. Joy, if I screwed this up please step in <G>. Joe Zsedeny On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:05:35 EDT, DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: >Hello > >I just updated "Ward County Roots". > >I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and >the XY >Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could be >in the >middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a better >location >please let me know > >If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many >missing >places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. > >I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on >line next. > >Thanks >Don Gardner

Whooo -- I like all the new data and links I'm seeing since my last visit. You guys are making me feel like a slouch! LOL ~Lee On Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:05 AM [GMT+5=ET], DTGARDNER@aol.com <DTGARDNER@aol.com> wrote: > Hello > > I just updated "Ward County Roots". > > I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and > the XY Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It > could be in the middle of main street for all I can tell so if you > know of a better location please let me know > > If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many > missing places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. > > I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on > line next. > > Thanks > Don Gardner

Hi Mike -- I ain't Joe, but here is a step by step example: I went to geonames and looked up the Danzig Cemetery in McIntosh County. I got the following: Latitude = 460808N Longitude = 0992815W These are both in the format degrees, minutes, seconds. The last two digits are seconds, the two digits to the left of that are minutes, and the rest is degrees. So latitude = 46 degrees 8 minutes 8 seconds north of the equator; longitude = 99 degrees 28 minutes 15 seconds west of Greenwich, England. Now for the math in order to use any of the mapping web sites: latitude = 46 + 8/60 + 8/3600 = 46 + .13333 + .00222 = 46.1356 degrees longitude = 99 + 28/60 + 15/3600 = 99 + .466667 + .0041667 = 99.4708 degrees Now I go to whatever mapping software I want to use and enter these coordinates. --- Mike Peterson <geanie@cox.net> wrote: > When I first started on something like this I was > using msn mappoint but > when I entered USGS coordinates into the parameters > it would take me to > weird places mostly out of the county and some ended > up invalid. Now I'm > thinking that the conversion Joe is talking about > below is what mappoint > also uses. Joe, could you provide us an example of a > USGS converted? I know > you provided a formula but I guess it's because of > the terminology that I > don't follow. > Sincerely, > Mike > Emmons > Traill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net> > To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [NDGENWEB-L] (no subject) > > > > Hi Don, > > > > I don't know if this will help but you can use the > township maps from > > the Ward County Archives page: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/nd/ward/ward.htm > to locate the > > townships. > > > > Then, and I really hesitate to get into this > because it is > > complicated and I haven't used it for several > years but here goes. > > > > If you have the geographical coordinates from the > USGS they can be > > converted from degrees, minutes, seconds to > degrees and tenths and > > plugged into the Census Bureau Tiger Map Server > Gazatteer. Here is > > the general URL for the Tiger Map Browser: > > http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. > Using the converted > > USGS coordinates for any location you can create a > map with county, > > state and US highway numbers pinpointing > cemeteries, towns or > > whatever for a drive to. For examples go here: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Endpembin/cemdex.htm. > > > > Conversion from degrees, minutes, seconds is > degrees.min/60+sec/3600. > > > > Joy, if I screwed this up please step in <G>. > > > > Joe Zsedeny > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:05:35 EDT, > DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: > > >Hello > > > > > >I just updated "Ward County Roots". > > > > > >I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools > from the USGS and > > >the XY > > >Data site. Their only location data is a section > number. It could be > > >in the > > >middle of main street for all I can tell so if > you know of a better > > >location > > >please let me know > > > > > >If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know > there are many > > >missing > > >places and am still looking for more lists and > Ideas. > > > > > >I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites > that are already on > > >line next. > > > > > >Thanks > > >Don Gardner > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

When I first started on something like this I was using msn mappoint but when I entered USGS coordinates into the parameters it would take me to weird places mostly out of the county and some ended up invalid. Now I'm thinking that the conversion Joe is talking about below is what mappoint also uses. Joe, could you provide us an example of a USGS converted? I know you provided a formula but I guess it's because of the terminology that I don't follow. Sincerely, Mike Emmons Traill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net> To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [NDGENWEB-L] (no subject) > Hi Don, > > I don't know if this will help but you can use the township maps from > the Ward County Archives page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eusgenweb/nd/ward/ward.htm to locate the > townships. > > Then, and I really hesitate to get into this because it is > complicated and I haven't used it for several years but here goes. > > If you have the geographical coordinates from the USGS they can be > converted from degrees, minutes, seconds to degrees and tenths and > plugged into the Census Bureau Tiger Map Server Gazatteer. Here is > the general URL for the Tiger Map Browser: > http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?. Using the converted > USGS coordinates for any location you can create a map with county, > state and US highway numbers pinpointing cemeteries, towns or > whatever for a drive to. For examples go here: > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Endpembin/cemdex.htm. > > Conversion from degrees, minutes, seconds is degrees.min/60+sec/3600. > > Joy, if I screwed this up please step in <G>. > > Joe Zsedeny > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:05:35 EDT, DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: > >Hello > > > >I just updated "Ward County Roots". > > > >I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and > >the XY > >Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could be > >in the > >middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a better > >location > >please let me know > > > >If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many > >missing > >places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. > > > >I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on > >line next. > > > >Thanks > >Don Gardner > > > >

Looks like you have a good start on some nice information gathering that will be useful to researchers!!! Holly At 03:05 AM 8/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Hello > >I just updated "Ward County Roots". > >I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and the XY >Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could be in the >middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a better location >please let me know > >If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many missing >places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. > >I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on line next. > >Thanks >Don Gardner

Hello I just updated "Ward County Roots". I added all the Churches, Cemeteries and Schools from the USGS and the XY Data site. Their only location data is a section number. It could be in the middle of main street for all I can tell so if you know of a better location please let me know If anyone sees errors please let me know. I know there are many missing places and am still looking for more lists and Ideas. I am going try to link Cemetery names to sites that are already on line next. Thanks Don Gardner

A great discussion here. I learned a lot and it's already helped me. Mike Emmons Traill

Thanks I'll try it Don

Hi Don Cemeteries are probably the easiest to tie to townships. The published cemetery books of ND, and the book of recognized cemeteries put out in 2001 by the ND Health Dept. give their locations in legal descriptions. That ties them to the township directly. A few of the older published cemetery books don't give legal descriptions. People reading or reporting on those cemeteries didn't know where the hell they were. No doubt you can get the legal descrption of the center of a town from some source such as a Geologic Survey quadrangle map. They are given on the Tiger Maps server in GPS coordinates, but you'd have to have a Quadrangle map to translate that to a legal description. Schools are given only in location as to the school district. They were moved around a lot withing the district, depending upon who was going to school. They often had the house movers physically move the school over a few miles. Early on the school district amounted to four townships. As population grew, the townships became school districts and were named. So the name of the township would tell you where the schools were but there were likely up to 5 or 6 actual rural schools in each township. To find the location of each one would be a history lesson in using old county atlases. The teacher's year end reports (if they exist now) gave the names of the inidivual schools and the name of the school district, but likely not the actual location of the school other than being called the Jones school because it was near or on Jones' land. Does that do anything for you? George ----- Original Message ----- From: <DTGARDNER@aol.com> To: <NDGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: [NDGENWEB-L] Townships > Does anyone know of a way to associate Towns, Cemeteries, Schools and other > places to the township they were in? > > Thanks Don Gardner > CC Ward County >

Does anyone know of a way to associate Towns, Cemeteries, Schools and other places to the township they were in? Thanks Don Gardner CC Ward County

Yes and no, Don. <very big grin> First off, I am assuming you have a list of places from gnis, http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form You can click on eack of these and then click on the link to topozone to see it on a topographical map. By scrolling around you can find the name of the township. If you are wanting the township, range, and section numbers for those place names, enter the latitude and longitude numbers here: http://www.esg.montana.edu/gl/xy-data2.html GNIS gives you a number like: 0972349W This is degrees, minutes and seconds - so read this as 97 degrees, 23 minutes and 49 seconds. For latitude there are only 2 digits for degrees; for longitude there are 3 digits. Hit the submit button and you will get the township, range and section (trs) numbers that correspond to the latitude/range (ll) pair you submitted. You will also get a list of nearby places and their trs/ll numbers. You will need a township map of your county if you want to know the name of the township they are in - or use topozone. --- DTGARDNER@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to associate Towns, > Cemeteries, Schools and other > places to the township they were in? > > Thanks Don Gardner > CC Ward County > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail