At 04:37 PM 3/6/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Carol, > >Thank you, but I thought that we were friends.... > >I have come to the point in my life that I have decided that those who want >the truth will look for it; those that don't won't. While secondary sources >are wonderful sources for clues, they should always be confirmed by original >records. Whenever a book is published, or a new web site put up, there are >a vast number of people who accept this work as truth. They in turn add >this to their data and others see it, and do the same. Before long, this is >accepted, BUT no one can supply facts to back it up. It is much easier to >just accept something and put it up than it is to correct it after it has >been printed. Somehow, the corrections or errata never get the same >spotlight. > >Over 2 years ago, I wrote several articles for Southern Bass that showed >that Capt. Nathaniel BASSe was 1) not the son of Humphrey and Mary >(Buschier) Basse, and 2) he was not the progenitor of all of the Basses in >VA. However, go to any web site or pick up any book and you will see this >in print. It has been written like this as early as 1883. > >However, original records in the PRO in England show.... > >�30 Aug 1654. Major Edward Basse, citizen and merchant of London, aged 60, >and Dame Mary Poole (signs Pole), wife of Sir John Poole of Bromley, >Middlesex, aged 62, deposes that Hester Hobson of Bromley, widow, Abigail >Thorpe of Chelsea Hampton, Oxon widow, and Sarah wife of Thomas Hastler, >citizen and barber surgeon of London are sisters and are daughters of >Humphry Basse of London, merchant, and Mary his wife, both long deceased. >The sisters are co-heirs of Luke Basse who died a batchelor and was brother >and heir of Nathaniel Basse lately deceased without issue in Virginia. >Thomas Hastler is appointed attorney (MCD 5)� > >It very specifically states.... died without heirs..... > >Next, the original Bible Records (which are at the LVA) have been really >misquoted. I continue to read that Keziah Tucker, wife of John Bass was the >daughter of Robin the Elder, Chief of the Nansemond Tribe. >1) The Bible records show her name as Elizabeth. >2) She is not given a last name of TUCKER. >3) Her father's name is not given. >4) How can a woman who is being married in 1638, be the daughter of a man >that was alive and well in 1710? > > >This is just a couple of examples... Hopefully, it will again prod BASS >researchers to go back and read original records. I am sorry, but I do not >have the time to complete someone else's research. My cousin Patti and I >are writing manuscripts for the Nansemond Tribe to sell to help raise money >for the Tribal Cultural Center, so we are immersed in trying to get some of >these done. When available, I will be more than happy to let you know. > >Best, >Lea > > >-----Original Message----- >From: psmartoc <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:47 PM >Subject: Re: [NCWILSON-L] Bass Family > > >>Lea, >>It is great seeing your name and address here in the NCWilson site. Feel >>free to use this site to dispel the erroneous Bass information. It is all >>yours.... >>Carol....Your Ruffin cousin. >> >> >> >> >>At 11:01 AM 3/6/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>>Gayle, >>> >>>There are several books on the BASS family. However, most of them all >>>contain the same erroneous information that has perpetuated for years. I >am >>>afraid that while they are good for clues, nothing is going to replace >>>original research on this group. >>> >>>Best, >>>Lea >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Carol P. Martoccia >>903 East Fifth Street >>Greenville, NC 27858 >>Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 >>Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > Yes Lea, We are friends and I know that you are fighting to get the truth out. I hope that by putting your facts on this site, someone will see it and be swayed by the logic of your information. Go Girl!! Carol Carol P. Martoccia 903 East Fifth Street Greenville, NC 27858 Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Carol, Thank you, but I thought that we were friends.... I have come to the point in my life that I have decided that those who want the truth will look for it; those that don't won't. While secondary sources are wonderful sources for clues, they should always be confirmed by original records. Whenever a book is published, or a new web site put up, there are a vast number of people who accept this work as truth. They in turn add this to their data and others see it, and do the same. Before long, this is accepted, BUT no one can supply facts to back it up. It is much easier to just accept something and put it up than it is to correct it after it has been printed. Somehow, the corrections or errata never get the same spotlight. Over 2 years ago, I wrote several articles for Southern Bass that showed that Capt. Nathaniel BASSe was 1) not the son of Humphrey and Mary (Buschier) Basse, and 2) he was not the progenitor of all of the Basses in VA. However, go to any web site or pick up any book and you will see this in print. It has been written like this as early as 1883. However, original records in the PRO in England show.... “30 Aug 1654. Major Edward Basse, citizen and merchant of London, aged 60, and Dame Mary Poole (signs Pole), wife of Sir John Poole of Bromley, Middlesex, aged 62, deposes that Hester Hobson of Bromley, widow, Abigail Thorpe of Chelsea Hampton, Oxon widow, and Sarah wife of Thomas Hastler, citizen and barber surgeon of London are sisters and are daughters of Humphry Basse of London, merchant, and Mary his wife, both long deceased. The sisters are co-heirs of Luke Basse who died a batchelor and was brother and heir of Nathaniel Basse lately deceased without issue in Virginia. Thomas Hastler is appointed attorney (MCD 5)” It very specifically states.... died without heirs..... Next, the original Bible Records (which are at the LVA) have been really misquoted. I continue to read that Keziah Tucker, wife of John Bass was the daughter of Robin the Elder, Chief of the Nansemond Tribe. 1) The Bible records show her name as Elizabeth. 2) She is not given a last name of TUCKER. 3) Her father's name is not given. 4) How can a woman who is being married in 1638, be the daughter of a man that was alive and well in 1710? This is just a couple of examples... Hopefully, it will again prod BASS researchers to go back and read original records. I am sorry, but I do not have the time to complete someone else's research. My cousin Patti and I are writing manuscripts for the Nansemond Tribe to sell to help raise money for the Tribal Cultural Center, so we are immersed in trying to get some of these done. When available, I will be more than happy to let you know. Best, Lea -----Original Message----- From: psmartoc <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [NCWILSON-L] Bass Family >Lea, >It is great seeing your name and address here in the NCWilson site. Feel >free to use this site to dispel the erroneous Bass information. It is all >yours.... >Carol....Your Ruffin cousin. > > > > >At 11:01 AM 3/6/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>Gayle, >> >>There are several books on the BASS family. However, most of them all >>contain the same erroneous information that has perpetuated for years. I am >>afraid that while they are good for clues, nothing is going to replace >>original research on this group. >> >>Best, >>Lea >> >> >> >> >Carol P. Martoccia >903 East Fifth Street >Greenville, NC 27858 >Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 >Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Arthur Basses father, so far as I can determine, was Edward Bass of Northampton Co. Edward sold his land there in about 1742 and moved to the Black Creek area of what was then Craven County. I will be glad to help in any way I can. Just tell me what you need to know. I do not know what Mourning's Maiden name was. What is your connection to Arthur Bass ? Al Bass

Clement Lucas lives in New York. His address is [email protected] Al Bass

Lea, It is great seeing your name and address here in the NCWilson site. Feel free to use this site to dispel the erroneous Bass information. It is all yours.... Carol....Your Ruffin cousin. At 11:01 AM 3/6/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Gayle, > >There are several books on the BASS family. However, most of them all >contain the same erroneous information that has perpetuated for years. I am >afraid that while they are good for clues, nothing is going to replace >original research on this group. > >Best, >Lea > > > > Carol P. Martoccia 903 East Fifth Street Greenville, NC 27858 Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Gayle, There are several books on the BASS family. However, most of them all contain the same erroneous information that has perpetuated for years. I am afraid that while they are good for clues, nothing is going to replace original research on this group. Best, Lea

The following is paraphrased from the National Genealogical Society's "American Genealogy: A Basic Course": In-Laws: terms like father-in-law, mother-in-law, etc. had the same meaning as they do today, which is a kinship by marriage. However, they may also have had different meanings. Father-in-law could refer to a step-father, son-in- law to a stepchild, etc. Cousin: The term "cousin" was once used generally to indicate almost ANY DEGREE OF RELATIONSHIP BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE OUTSIDE THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY. VERY EARLY IN AMERICAN HISTORY THE TERM WAS USED TO REFER TO NEPHEW OR NIECE. When you see the word cousin used in early records, you will need to do more research to clarify the relationship between the two people. Nephew: The terms nephew and niece were not in common use in the colonies until before the mid-eighteenth century (i.e. 1750's). The term cousin was used to denote this relationship. In rare instances, the term "nephew" was used to mean grandson or granddaughter because the word comes from the Latin term for "grandson" or "nepos." During this early period, "nephew" was used for males and females. Brother: This term was used very generally and in addition to its obvious meaning, could denote a brother-in-law, a husband of a sister-in-law, a half- brother, a stepbrother, or even a colleague within the church. "My now wife." This term is sometimes found in a will and may, as is often assumed, indicate the testator had a former wife, but this is not necessarily so unless he is referring to children by a first wife and children by his current or "now" wife. When the term is used WITHOUT reference to children, it more usually means the testator intends the bequest for his current wife and not any subsequent he may have. Senior and Junior: Terms to denote two men with the same in the same community, regardless of any relationship. This could be father and son, Uncle and nephew, or two men not related at all. Upon the death of the "Senior" the junior could be dropped or if another, younger person had the same name, Junior became Senior, etc. Natural Son or Natural Daughter: indicates a blood relationship as distinguished from a relationship by marriage or adoption. Sometimes it could denote and illegitimate child, though it was more common to refer to such as "my base son" or "my bastard son". In some instances, "my natural child" may indicate children by a first wife as opposed to children by a current wife. Aliases: This term could mean one of several things. An orphan may have used his stepfather's surname in addition to his own. A married man may have taken the surname of his wealthy father-in-law. One son in a family may have taken his mother's maiden name, especially when inheriting property from her family. One branch of the family may have used an alias to distinguish it from other branches in the area where the name was common. A person may have used an alias to distinguish himself from several uncles and cousins with the same name. This problem was not unusual in large families before the use of middle names adopted. In some cases, an alias indicated illegitmacy. Because of all the possible reasons for the use of an alias, do not assume the reason until you have done further research. Given Names: Although you cannot count on it, it was common for the two eldest sons to be named for their grandfathers and two eldest daughters to be named for their grandmothers. Don't be confused by finding two children with the same given name in the same family. The name of a deceased child may have been given to a subsequent child. IN GERMAN ANCESTRY it was common for ALL sons to have the first name Johann and all daughters to have the first name Anna or Maria. The children were known by their second names. Carol P. Martoccia 903 East Fifth Street Greenville, NC 27858 Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I'm stopped on Arthur and wife, Mrs. "Morning" (?) Is there any connection further back than that? Noticed someone mentioned a book about the Bass Family . . . where might it be had? Many thanks in advance. Gayle Harris

Ted, After an email from Al Bass I went to the NC Archives today in Raleigh and got some additional information. Exaline, Washington and James were all siblings. Clarry Bass was the mother. Based on what I found, I believe Clarry was the second oldest of William and Nancy Bass. William died in 1858 and that is the reason Nancy was alone in the 1860 census> Clarry's husband and father of the 3 kids was John Mathis who according to the 1850 Wayne Co census was born in VA. It also lists Clarry and the oldest 2- Exaline and Washington as being born in SC. I tend to doubt that since the Bass family had been in this area for a long time. More research will help me here. Al indicated he could help me trace the Bass family back several generations. I saw the book on the "Bass Family of Black Creek". It had lots of info but was layed out differently from most books so I will need to revisit it. Thanks for your note. It has been a fun day even though I had to work until 12:00 today and I have been up since 3:00 AM this morning. Time to turn in. Thanks again, Larry Matthews PS: I would like to have an email address for Clement Lucas. Does he live in the Black Creek area? At 11:37 PM 3/5/99 EST, you wrote: >Larry -- I am pretty sure that the Exaline Eatmon that you mentioned married >one of our Lucas or Boyette folks. I'll get back to you as soon as I can >track it down. > There is a ton of Bass material from Al Bass and Clement Lucas. If you don't >have their addresses, I'll get those to you, too. > > Keep rootin'! > Ted Lucas >[Researching: BOYETTE NC; BRYANT NC; CARTLEDGE GA; DUDLEY VA>GA>TN>AL>TX; >FELKER TN>MO>TX; LUCAS NC; MAPLES TN>AL; STUBBLEFIELD AR - ring any bells?] > > >

Larry -- I am pretty sure that the Exaline Eatmon that you mentioned married one of our Lucas or Boyette folks. I'll get back to you as soon as I can track it down. There is a ton of Bass material from Al Bass and Clement Lucas. If you don't have their addresses, I'll get those to you, too. Keep rootin'! Ted Lucas [Researching: BOYETTE NC; BRYANT NC; CARTLEDGE GA; DUDLEY VA>GA>TN>AL>TX; FELKER TN>MO>TX; LUCAS NC; MAPLES TN>AL; STUBBLEFIELD AR - ring any bells?]

I am looking for Slys in North Carolina. My 4th great-grandfather John Sly was born in 1764 in Duchess Co, NY. We have taken the tree back to various parts of the Eastern Seaboard and wonder if there are any people who are researching Sly in that part of the USA. Hope to hear you soon. Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

To all, I need some help after much searching and head scratching. I am trying to obtain more information on my greatgrandfather James Matthews( Mathews or Mathis). In the 1880 census he is listed in Wilson Co with his wife Laura Gill Matthews and their newly born son-William Leslie and a farm laborer-Riley Mattox. James is 30. In the 1870 Wilson Co census, James is listed with a Wash Mathews and Margaret Mathews. Wash is short for Washington and he is 25. James is 20 and Margaret is 22. My assumption is that Washington and James are brothers but I have no proof yet. Margaret is probably Washington's wife. I have a listing for Washington Mathews who married a Mary A Horne on 1/6/1867. Still with me. In the 1860 Wilson Co census, James Mathis is living with Nancy Bass-age 63. The age for James is off by 1-2 years but this is possible. Obviously, the spelling changed but I'm almost sure this is the same person. Nancy is 63 and has a medium to large farm in the Black Creek township. In this same household is an Exaline Eatmon 18-F, and a Gilbert Ward 18-M. All are listed as farm laborers. Within a few miles is Washington. He is in a household with Mordecai Bass. Mordecai is 34 and a farmer. Martha-25 (I assume his wife) has 2 small children. Washington Mathis (note again the change in spelling) is listed as 16 (still possible). My assumption is that Mordecai is probably the son of Nancy. Neither the Bass families nor Washington are listed in the 1850 census for NC. My next step is to check for guardianship papers for James and Washington but I have no idea when this may have occurred if it did. I have no information other than a family verbal history that said that James originally came from VA. If he did, he was awfully young and possibly without his parents. I don't know if the Bass families and the Matthews boys are related. In researching VA, I did find one listing for a Washington Mathews in Accomack Co. Washington is about the right age to be the youngers grandfather-not father. I haven't researched this line yet to see if there is a connection until I resolve the issues below. Where do I go from here? Anyone have information on the Bass families in the Black Creek area of Wilson Co. I checked the 1850 census, and there are very few Bass families in this area in that census but by 1860, there were 10-15 different Bass families in the area south of Wilson. Although you may not have immediate information on these families, most of you have enough experience to know where to look next. So far, most of my "hunches" on the other lines have proven to be true but this one has me worried. Larry M Matthews 5412 Dutchman Dr Raleigh, NC 27606-9794 Researching-MATTHEWS in VA, Wilson Co-NC and Moore Co-NC GUIN in Moore Co-NC, Hoke Co-NC, and VA WEEKS in Edgecombe Co-NC MOORE in Pender Co-NC and New Hanover Co-NC GILLIS in Hoke Co-NC and Scotland MOORE in Edgecombe Co-NC GILL in Edgecombe Co-NC

There is a series of books entitled "Wilson County, North Carolina Cemeteries," compiled by Joan L. Howell, published by Wilson County Genealogical Society, P. O. Box 802, Wilson NC 27894-0802. (The set I generally refer to is in the DAR Library in Washington.) The only part I've actually photocopied is from Vol. 1, and shows Deanses in the Edwin Lamm Cemetery, "Located on the S side of Bass Rd (SR 1173) about 200' W of Boswellville Rd (SR 1175)." However, there surely must be equivalent detail for other cemeteries in the area. Plus, the books are indexed. Gayle Harris Alexandria VA

At the age of 9 Tempe was sold to a K. H. Lewis in Halifax, NC. Has anyone ever heard of this person? Also has anyone ran across the will of John Devereux Division of slaves? Or any of his family? Brenda

> From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:53:57 +0000 > Priority: normal > Subject: [NCWILSON-L] The Moore family > To: [email protected] > Reply-to: [email protected] > Hello{I am looking for anyone that may have info on these people. > These are some of the children of John W Moore and wife Mary Susan > Etheridge > 1880 Census of Gardners Township > John W Moore - Farmer > Mary > Eli W Moore birth about 1872 > Winniford Moore birth about 1867 > Catherine Moore birth about 1878 > Thomas J Moore birth about 1880 > These are brothers and aiaters of my ggrandmother Nancy L Moore > Pridgen > If anyone knows anything about them please write I will share what I > have Thanks in advance {Wendy > > > >

Mr. Ferrell, I am sorry I can not tell you exactly where the Deans family cemetary is, but I have asked my aunt about it and she is checking. My Aunt was married to Tom Deans, and she still lives there at the 95/42 interchange. If I am not mistaken, she may know you. Her name is Dorothy Pridgen Deans Wheeler. She remembers a Ferrell, which is you I assume. I talked with her at length tonite and she said she would talk ter sister in law about some of those cemetaries. She did not know who was buried in a little cemetary behind the Rosemart on the interchange. I assume that is the side closest to Wilson, on this side of the interchange, there are a couple of big ponds there connected to the creek. My aunt is the mother of Linda, Cathy, and Connie Deans, was just wondering if you knew them? Anyway, I will get back to you on that cemetary, if I can get anything from my aunt. Kenneth Pridgen. -----Original Message----- From: THE HUNTER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 2:40 AM Subject: [NCWILSON-L] Jesse DEANS Cemetery >Could someone tell me the location of the Jesse Deans cemetery in Wilson >County? I've heard that it is off of Hwy 42 at the I-95 interchange. If >this is so, this would be the cemetery that was located in the field across >the road from where I grew up. I remember there being only a few graves >there. > >My reason for asking is that I am researching the Deans family of that area. >My great grandmother, Cornelia Deans, was the daughter of Stephen Deans and >granddaughter of Bartley Deans Sr. I would like to know which of the Deans >family members are buried there. > >I have also heard of the following cemeteries, but don't know their locations. >Would appreciate any help. > >1. David Deans Cemetery >2. Deans Cemetery >3. Deans-Lucas Cemetery >4. Deans-Ellis Cemetery > >Thank you. > >Hunter Ferrell >Louisville, KY

I was just going thru the schedule of events for the NGS Convention in Richmond May 12-15.. There is a luncheon on Saturday and the talk is DO LORD REMEMBER ME: THE BLACK DEVEREUXES IN SLAVERY AND FREEDOM. There are also several lectures thru out the week on Afro-American research...how tos and where to gos. I hope to attend a couple of these. Carol Carol P. Martoccia 903 East Fifth Street Greenville, NC 27858 Pridgen Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 Pridgen Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I'm searching for Adam Williams family I have a friend searching for John Blaney Williams family. Hope you can help Thanks Ruth At 11:47 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >HI > >What set of Williams are you researching and where are they from? > >Thank you >Mary >

Hi Do you have any Williams that was married to an Newman? Thank you Mary

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:26:26 +0000 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [NCEDGECO-L] Bailey Hi {Does anyone know this man? Jonathon Bailey father of Martha Bailey Amason He died in 1851 listed his children in his will but know wife was named Can anyone help Thanks in advance {Wendy