No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a lot of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would still show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, wouldn't it? > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The Caudill > DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male line. > The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families are > intermarried many times. > > There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you aware > of a Joines Project? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > Lenny, > > > > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married Mary > > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter Pheroby who > > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? > > > > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and Joines > > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. > > > > Joyce > > > > Joyce Joines Newman > > Fountain, NC > > > > > >> ---------- > >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to son > >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore we > >> have > >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same as > >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending males > >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove > >> what > >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have the > >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by looking > >> at > >> the YDNA. > >> > >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very > >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's > >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm > >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to > >> inadvertantly incite a riot). > >> > >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my > >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at a > >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but it > >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the > >> pension > >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a > >> sample > >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James > >> Junior > >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start to > >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference between > >> James > >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY that > >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have a > >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a JAMES > >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they were > >> brothers. > >> > >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as well. > >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the > > >> Jesse > >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, > >> marker > >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't > >> match, > >> well, more head scratching I suppose. > >> > >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very closely > >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's > >> and > >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin > >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. > >> > >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd love > >> to > >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. > >> > >> Great stuff. Confused yet? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Jim > >> > > >> > > >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; > >> >> some > >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, > >> >> 1082, > >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born > >> >> besides > >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. She > >> >> was > >> >> the > >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James > >> >> Caudill > >> >> Sr> > >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of Jeremiah > >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a son > >> >> of > >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins maybe > >> >> the > >> >> DNA > >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. 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