But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same Joines DNA? > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a son > and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the > father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed > mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA > would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. > > We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. > > Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of Ezekial), > let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants of > Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several generations > ago. > > If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to Familytreedna.com > and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a > Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first > sample! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a lot > > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would still > > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if > > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, wouldn't > > it? > > > > > > > >> ---------- > >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM > >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The > >> Caudill > >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male > >> line. > >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families are > >> intermarried many times. > >> > >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you > >> aware > >> of a Joines Project? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> > >> > Lenny, > >> > > >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married > >> > Mary > >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter Pheroby > >> > who > >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? > >> > > >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and > >> > Joines > >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. > >> > > >> > Joyce > >> > > >> > Joyce Joines Newman > >> > Fountain, NC > >> > > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to > >> >> son > >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore > >> >> we > >> >> have > >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same > > >> >> as > >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending > >> >> males > >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove > >> >> what > >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have > >> >> the > >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by > >> >> looking > >> >> at > >> >> the YDNA. > >> >> > >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very > >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's > >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm > >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to > >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). > >> >> > >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my > >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at > >> >> a > >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but > >> >> it > >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the > >> >> pension > >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a > >> >> sample > >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James > >> >> Junior > >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start > >> >> to > >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference between > >> >> James > >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY > >> >> that > >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have > >> >> a > >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a > >> >> JAMES > >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they > >> >> were > >> >> brothers. > >> >> > >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as > >> >> well. > >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the > > >> >> Jesse > >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, > >> >> marker > >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't > >> >> match, > >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. > >> >> > >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very > >> >> closely > >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's > >> >> and > >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin > >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. > >> >> > >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd > >> >> love > >> >> to > >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. > >> >> > >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; > >> >> >> some > >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, > >> >> >> 1082, > >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born > >> >> >> besides > >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. > >> >> >> She > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James > >> >> >> Caudill > >> >> >> Sr> > >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of > >> >> >> Jeremiah > >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a > >> >> >> son > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins > >> >> >> maybe > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> DNA> > >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. Jim > >> >> >> Ovendorf > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> > the > >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Nope .. YDNA follows the father. In your example, it would be Caudill YDNA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands > who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), > the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same > Joines DNA? > > > >> ---------- >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a >> son >> and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the >> father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed >> mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA >> would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. >> >> We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. >> >> Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of >> Ezekial), >> let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants >> of >> Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several >> generations >> ago. >> >> If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to >> Familytreedna.com >> and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a >> Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first >> sample! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a >> > lot >> > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would >> > still >> > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if >> > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, >> > wouldn't >> > it? >> > >> > >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The >> >> Caudill >> >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male >> >> line. >> >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families >> >> are >> >> intermarried many times. >> >> >> >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you >> >> aware >> >> of a Joines Project? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lenny, >> >> > >> >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married >> >> > Mary >> >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter >> >> > Pheroby >> >> > who >> >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? >> >> > >> >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and >> >> > Joines >> >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. >> >> > >> >> > Joyce >> >> > >> >> > Joyce Joines Newman >> >> > Fountain, NC >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill >> >> >> II >> >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM >> >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father >> >> >> to >> >> >> son >> >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson >> >> >> therefore >> >> >> we >> >> >> have >> >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were >> >> >> (same > >> >> >> as >> >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending >> >> >> males >> >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't >> >> >> prove >> >> >> what >> >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother >> >> >> have >> >> >> the >> >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by >> >> >> looking >> >> >> at >> >> >> the YDNA. >> >> >> >> >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA >> >> >> very >> >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton >> >> >> Cox's >> >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. >> >> >> (I'm >> >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not >> >> >> to >> >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). >> >> >> >> >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match >> >> >> my >> >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches >> >> >> at >> >> >> a >> >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship >> >> >> but >> >> >> it >> >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from >> >> >> the >> >> >> pension >> >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need >> >> >> a >> >> >> sample >> >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the >> >> >> James >> >> >> Junior >> >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can >> >> >> start >> >> >> to >> >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference >> >> >> between >> >> >> James >> >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the >> >> >> PROBABILITY >> >> >> that >> >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a >> >> >> JAMES >> >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they >> >> >> were >> >> >> brothers. >> >> >> >> >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as >> >> >> well. >> >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or >> >> >> the > >> >> >> Jesse >> >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, >> >> >> marker >> >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't >> >> >> match, >> >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. >> >> >> >> >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very >> >> >> closely >> >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the >> >> >> CAUDELL's >> >> >> and >> >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin >> >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. >> >> >> >> >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd >> >> >> love >> >> >> to >> >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. >> >> >> >> >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> >> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Jim >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of >> >> >> >> !858; >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, >> >> >> >> 1801, >> >> >> >> 1082, >> >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was >> >> >> >> born >> >> >> >> besides >> >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. >> >> >> >> She >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> Caudill >> >> >> >> Sr> >> >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of >> >> >> >> Jeremiah >> >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a >> >> >> >> son >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins >> >> >> >> maybe >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> DNA> >> >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> Ovendorf >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> >> the >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> > the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >