I see. So we need direct male Joines descendants. Thanks. > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 6:50 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > Nope .. YDNA follows the father. In your example, it would be Caudill YDNA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands > > who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), > > the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same > > Joines DNA? > > > > > > > >> ---------- > >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM > >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a > >> son > >> and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the > >> father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed > >> mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA > >> would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. > >> > >> We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. > >> > >> Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of > >> Ezekial), > >> let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants > >> of > >> Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several > >> generations > >> ago. > >> > >> If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to > >> Familytreedna.com > >> and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a > >> Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first > >> sample! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> > >> > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a > >> > lot > >> > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would > >> > still > >> > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if > >> > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, > >> > wouldn't > >> > it? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM > >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The > >> >> Caudill > >> >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male > >> >> line. > >> >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families > >> >> are > >> >> intermarried many times. > >> >> > >> >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you > >> >> aware > >> >> of a Joines Project? > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Lenny, > >> >> > > >> >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married > >> >> > Mary > >> >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter > > >> >> > Pheroby > >> >> > who > >> >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? > >> >> > > >> >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and > >> >> > Joines > >> >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > Joyce > >> >> > > >> >> > Joyce Joines Newman > >> >> > Fountain, NC > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> ---------- > >> >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill > >> >> >> II > >> >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > >> >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> son > >> >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson > >> >> >> therefore > >> >> >> we > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were > >> >> >> (same > > >> >> >> as > >> >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending > >> >> >> males > >> >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't > >> >> >> prove > >> >> >> what > >> >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by > >> >> >> looking > >> >> >> at > >> >> >> the YDNA. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA > >> >> >> very > >> >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton > >> >> >> Cox's > >> >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. > >> >> >> (I'm > >> >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match > >> >> >> my > >> >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches > >> >> >> at > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship > >> >> >> but > >> >> >> it > >> >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> pension > >> >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> sample > >> >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the > >> >> >> James > >> >> >> Junior > >> >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can > >> >> >> start > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference > >> >> >> between > >> >> >> James > >> >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the > >> >> >> PROBABILITY > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a > >> >> >> JAMES > >> >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they > >> >> >> were > >> >> >> brothers. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as > >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> Jesse > >> >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, > >> >> >> marker > >> >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't > >> >> >> match, > >> >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very > >> >> >> closely > >> >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the > >> >> >> CAUDELL's > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin> > >> >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd > >> >> >> love > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > >> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> > > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks Jim > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of > >> >> >> >> !858; > >> >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, > >> >> >> >> 1801, > >> >> >> >> 1082, > >> >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was > >> >> >> >> born > >> >> >> >> besides > >> >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. > >> >> >> >> She > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of > >> >> >> >> James > >> >> >> >> Caudill > >> >> >> >> Sr> > >> >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of > >> >> >> >> Jeremiah > >> >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a > >> >> >> >> son > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins > >> >> >> >> maybe > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> DNA> > >> >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. > >> >> >> >> Jim > >> >> >> >> Ovendorf > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> > the > >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >