Celia, you probably meant your message for the Joanne that Jodi told you about since I do not have any Sizemore's in my line that I know of. My line is Holt that came from Wilkes, NC. I believe you mentioned you were searching for some Walkers who moved into Missouri? Would one of those be a Harry or Henry Walker? That is not my line but I purchased (correction, I was going to purchase, but the lady at the yard sale said "just take it") an old falling-apart and dirty Bible (looked like it had been stored in a barn) several years ago and there was an obit in it for a Margaret Walker who seems to have lived in Bollinger County, Missouri. Her father was Harry or Henry Walker. I seem to recall that he came from VA or SC. I have no Walker in my line, I was just hoping to help someone with their genealogy, but no one was interested in the Bible so I throw it away, but may have saved the obits (there were two, for two different people). Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Becker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - Contact for you > Dear Jo Ann and group; > > I have Andrew Collins b. 1811 Clay County, KY married to Elizabeth Ann > Sizemore b. 1815 in Clay County, KY. Just before 1840 they went to > Missouri. > > Andrew was the oldest son of Bradley Collins of Orange Co., NC and > elsewhere > in North Carolina b. 1787 and who married as his 2ND wife, Jane Ray in > Orange Co., NC in 1817. Bradley was first married in 1807/8 and had as > his > oldest daughter, Keziah Collins, b. 1809. He had some half brothers and > sisters who were mulatto but he himself was always listed as white, though > there is some indication he may have been part (like only about a quarter) > Native American. Andrew Collins (son of Bradley) and his sons were mostly > blonde and blue-eyed. > > NOTE: My Bradley Collins is NOT the same Bradley Collins that Brenda > Dillon > has been chasing around in the records. Brenda Dillon Collins' has a > different Bradley Collins who WAS listed as mixed race--half black and > Native American or so in combination with white. The Collins of Floyd > County--and then later some in Clay were not the Collins who were in North > Carolina. The Floyd County Collins are mostly connected to Montgomery > County, Virginia and elsewhere. The connections to Virginia are pretty > well > documented. > > There is also no evidence that the Bradley Collins who married Jane Ray in > 1817 and from his first marriage had Keziah, Andrew and ???(at least two > other children) was the son of Meredith Collins. > > Since I don't know who the parents of Elizabeth Ann ("Betsy") Sizemore > were, > I don't know if she connects with the infamous Mr. Riddle. I wouldn't be > surprised either way. I have one other infamous Tory line among dozens of > patriots also, so it's hard to be greatly surprised at this point. ;-) > > I also am chasing down a Lemar family--half of which, along with half of > my > Landrums/Lendrums went to Oklahoma on the "Trail of Tears." I suspect my > Lemar ancestor was a full brother of the one who went to Oklahoma and made > a > devil's bargain to keep his property in Tennessee by renouncing tribal > affiliation. The Lemars have a problem in proving identity since they > were > also French Huguenot in addition to allegedly being part Native American. > The dark hair and eyes could have come from either. ;-) > > Then there is the Arnold family... > > I'm down to finding the last three or four generations max on all my > mother's lines after 40 years of research. I'm trying to finish writing a > family history at least back to the point of European immigration (for > those > who came from Europe in the past 400 years) before the end of my own life. > I don't want to become another Lyman Draper, driving my nieces and nephews > nuts with boxes of files, etc. that have never been completely arranged > and > put into a finished history. > > > I'll look up the lady you mentioned. > > Sincerely, > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > San Jose, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - Contact for you > > > Celia, > > If you have connections that early on in Wilkes/Burke > with the Sizemore and Collins.The Sizemore-Collins > lines have connections to William " The Tory ' Riddle > who was hung in Wilkes by Benjamin Cleveland. They are reserching these > lines on the Melungeon board. Find Joanne/Joanne Pezzullo on the board and > post to her. She should be able to help you > > Jodi > --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Jo Ann; >> >> I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, >> Kentucky. Do you have the >> contact info of the lady who has done all the >> research? I saw the "Wall >> Street Journal" article and some links from that >> discussed part of the >> family being Cherokee and part being something else. >> Part of the discussion >> centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall >> correctly off the top of my >> head without digging through three rather thick >> files on my Collins which >> had intermarried with the Sizemores. >> >> Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina >> genealogy, if there's >> anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, >> particularly on the descendants >> of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and >> then Wilkes by 1796, I'd >> like to know that also. I'm going more than a >> little bonkers trying to >> identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my >> William Dale/Daly (has >> been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North >> Carolina. I figured with >> the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was >> connected to the Walkers of >> Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to >> start looking. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM >> To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of >> the Native people to >> JoAnn >> >> >> Jo Ann, >> >> It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. >> He >> makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to >> and >> insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. >> She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She >> has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all >> the >> Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA >> tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone >> else that way on this or any board. Yes this is >> about >> genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude >> comments and attacked someone for no reason. >> Comments >> like his don't belong in the forum. >> >> Jodi >> --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if >> > that ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a >> > descendent of the Native >> > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. >> > If he thinks there was a >> > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to >> > him. I did not say I >> > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and >> > your) messages, and all >> > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of >> > the Cherokee Nation. I >> > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not >> > fighting the Indian Wars >> > all over again. >> > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the >> two >> > of you, by throwing in >> > a bit of humor. >> > Jo Ann >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM >> > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the >> > Native people to Jo Ann >> > >> > >> > > Jo Ann, >> > > >> > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native >> > people >> > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive >> when >> > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake >> Chief. >> > His >> > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. >> > There >> > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or >> > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the >> tribes themselves. There >> > > are many people who are out >> > there >> > > that pretend to be Indian. 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