I descend from Thomas Irwin (1770-1853) mentioned in your post. I have him listed with a brother Francis Jr (c1780) and a sister Mary. They were children of Francis Irwin Sr (c1740s-1790s) and his wife Ann. The Irwin family came to Wilkes Co from Spotsylvania Co, VA, in the early 1780s. As you said, I also have Francis Irwin Jr marrying Ann Mullins on 7/10/1803 in Wilkes Co. The next record of him is in the 1850 Pettis Co, Missouri, census in District 68, household #134/134: Francis Ervin, 70, farmer, $1200, born VA Ann, 66, born NC Granville, 34, farmer, born KY Florinday (female), 25, born MO Emily F., 6, born MO Ann E., 4, born MO Sarah E., 2, born MO Also, living next door to them was apparently another son Larkin Ervin (age 42, born KY) who was living with 11 other Ervins ranging in age from 31 years to 10 months. The five people age 16 and over were born in KY. The seven people age 14 and younger were born in MO. It looks like Francis and Ann were married in 1803, and were living in KY by 1808 (when son Larkin was born). They may have lived there until about 1835 when they moved on into Missouri. Here is the 1860 Pettis Co, MO, census, Bowling Green Twp, p12, #75/75: Granville Erwin (44, farmer); $3460/$1500, born KY Florinda (36, MO) Emily F. (16, MO) Ann Eliza (14, MO) Sarah E. (13, MO) Margaret Jane (9, MO) Robert (7, MO) Rachel (5, MO) Thomas (2, MO) infant (1/12 MO) Francis (79, superanuated, VA) Elizabeth Steele (70, superanuated, VA) Lotte Ann (60, black, born SC) I had to look up "superanuated", but it looks like it means retired. Apparently his wife Ann Mullins had died during the 1850s. Also, in checking the 1870 census, I didn't find Francis so he may have died during the 1860s. The names in these censuses are very similar to those of the Irwins who stayed in Wilkes and Ashe Co, NC. Searching the censuses on ancestry.com there are a few Francis Ervin (etc) names that appear between 1810 and 1840, but it's hard to tell if they refer to the same person. Hope this helps! Jason Duncan http://www.webjmd.com -----Original Message----- From: jhpizarro@comcast.net [mailto:jhpizarro@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:19 PM Message Board Post: on 10 July 1803, Francis Ervin married Ann Mullins in Wilkes County NC. The Bondsman was Thomas Ervin. I believe these two men were really Francis ERWIN and Thomas ERWIN. Does anyone have any information on them and their parents or siblings? I am trying to prove or disprove that Francis ERWIN is my ancestor who is later found in Roane County Tennessee. --- [Pre-scanned for viruses by Internet America.]