Rose, We don't know the names of most of his daughters. We know that our William's wife was named Sarah, maiden name unknown. Their oldest son was Silas [possibly William? Silas] Harris, b. 1775, who lived in Surry Co. on the South Fork of Mitchell River from 1804 until his death after 1850 [his wife was Edith Franklin, the daughter of John & Sarah "Sallie" Lewis Franklin of South Fork, Mitchell River.] Silas & Edith's children were: William Lewis [m. Hannah SMITH of Wilkes Co.], Joel [m. Sarah NORMAN of Surry Co.], John [m. (1) UNKNOWN; m. (2) Hannah LOWDEN of Surry], Sarah? [m. William GREEN & living 1850 in Wilkes Co. with her younger brother, Ambrose], Ambrose [m. Lucinda FIELDS & moved to Wilkes], Elizabeth? [m. Bird SNOW?], James [n.m. & d.s.p.], an unidentified DAUGHTER b. ca. 1814; Squire Henderson [m. Phebe/Feriba FIELDS & moved to Wilkes],Edith "Eada" [d.s.p.], and Mary Candace [unmarried, BUT had 5 children.] Then we are missing their eldest DAUGHTER, b. ca. 1785. Their third child was Mary Harris, b. 1789, who never married and appears to have had no children. Their fourth child was Lucinda "Lucy" Harris, who married Daniel FIELDS and lived her life in Wilkes Co. Daniel & Lucy's known children were: an unidentified DAUGHTER b. ca. 1818, Sarah "Sally" [d.s.p.], an unidentified DAUGHTER b. ca. 1821, an unidentified DAUGHTER b. ca. 1823, Rachel b. 1824/25 [d.s.p.], John W. FIELDS [m. twice, first wife unidentified, but had issue with her; m. (2) Charity DICKERSON---no children], and Elizabeth Fields, b. 1828/29 [d.s.p.] Lucy's husband, Daniel FIELDS was a Justice in Wilkes. Their fifth child was an unidentified SON, b. ca. 1792--- moved away to parts unknown. Their sixth child was an unidentified SON, b. 1795/96--- moved away to parts unknown. Their seventh child was an unidentified DAUGHTER, b. ca. 1797. [Possibly Margaret Harris, who married Joseph FIELDS of Wilkes Co.?] Their eighth child was James HARRIS, b. 1799 in Ashe Co., NC; married Frances "Franky" FIELDS in Wilkes Co. His father lived with him in 1840 in Wilkes Co.; in 1850, James still lived in Wilkes; by 1860, he had moved to Surry Co., where he lived on the South Fork of Mitchell River close to his oldest brother, Silas. James stayed there until sometime in the 1870's. By 1880, his wife Franky had died, and James was living in Ashe Co. in the household of his son-in-law, William RICHARDSON & James' daughter, Elizabeth Harris Richardson. James & Franky Fields Harris' children were William [Rev. Wm., m. Caroline POE of Surry], John [m. Julia HAYNES/HAINES of Surry Co.], Squire [m. Sarah "Sallie" WILMOTH], Elizabeth [m. William RICHARDSON of Surry, later Ashe Co.], James W. [m. Sally A. CAUDILL], Noah [not married in 1870, no record after that], Frances "Franky" [d.s.p.], and Joseph Martin harris [m.(1) Nancy CAUDILL; m. (2) Mary E. UNKNOWN; 1880, next door to William & Elizabeth Harris Richardson in Ashe Co., NC]. Their ninth child was an unidentified SON, b. 1801/02. Every proven grandchild of Will & Sarah Harris had children, unless they were noted as d.s.p. above. By 1920 and 1930, there were descendants of Will & Sarah Harris in North Carolina [at least Surry, Ashe, Wilkes, Alleghany, Caldwell, and Yadkins Cos.], Virginia, Tennessee, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Idaho, and Washington State. We know there must be many more out there who don't know they are descended from Will & Sarah Harris of Culpeper, Virginia & Surry/Ashe/Wilkes Cos., North Carolina. We would love to reattach what must surely be huge missing branches of our Harris family tree. Our Will Harris moved to North Carolina from Culpeper with two friends. He appears to have been really close friends with Thomas WALSH/WELSH/ WELCH, who lived next door to Will in 1790 in Wilkes Co., NC [on the other of Will & Sarah was the mysterious Susannah Harris, who had been living WITH them in 1787.] Thomas Walsh [etc.] was the son of a man of the same name who lived in Orange Co., VA; Thomas appears to have remained in NW NC for a number of years, but he returned to Orange Co., Virginia, and died there. The other man who appeared in both Culpeper, VA and Wilkes, NC was a Thomas GRIMSLEY, who appears to have been a younger man, and was probably was a boy in 1776 in Culpeper. I don't know exactly who this Thomas GRIMSLEY's children were, but I suspect there was some intermarriage between his children and at least the brother of Edith Franklin Harris [William Lewis FRANKLIN of Surry.] One person I have not been able to clearly identify, but who was in Culpeper Co., VA in 1782 and was a minor, was a James HARRIS, who was recorded in the household of a Susannah WILLIAMS there. There was a record a year or two before that in the Minutes of St. Mark's Parish of Culpeper that mentioned a James HARRIS having small pox---possibly that James was my Will Harris' brother? And the minor James Harris of 1782 may have been Will's nephew??? "A" James HARRIS patented land in Ashe Co., NC in 1800 or 1801, but had disappeared by 1810. Was he our William's nephew? And where did he end up? Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <rosebud4242@peoplepc.com> To: <ncashe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [NCASHE] Group 6 Was there a daughter Leah in this family? Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Stone" <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> To: <harris-colonialva@rootsweb.com>; <NCASHE-L@rootsweb.com>; <ncsurry@rootsweb.com>; <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <vaorange@rootsweb.com>; <NCALLEGH-L@rootsweb.com>; <HARRIS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [NCASHE] Group 6 > Hi, all, > > I am Pam Stone Ross, who Ira mentions in his > reply to Carol [below.] > > Additional information on our own line is that, prior > to going to that part of Surry Co. that later became > Stokes Co., NC in 1786 [and later moving to Wilkes > & Ashe Cos., NC, before returning to Wilkes, where > he died in 1848---he has descendants in Ashe, > Wilkes, Surry, and Alleghany Cos., NC and in > a lot of other places in the country that we know of.] > > Our William Harris, whose descendants' DNA matches > that of Ira Harris III, appears to have been possibly > the son of a William? Harris of Culpeper Co., VA > > There was a William HARRIS of Culpeper, VA > in 1763 that MAY have been the father of our Will > Harris who moved to Surry, NC in 1786. > > I am trying, but cannot prove this line prior > to my William Harris, b. 1752 in VA. > > This is OUR BRICK WALL. > > We are so trying to PROVE THIS LINE > BEFORE we have it. > > Any help would so be appreciated. > > Pam > pamstone@cfl.rr.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol E Barron" <carolbarron@juno.com> > To: <HARRIS-COLONIALVA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:35 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: Group 6 > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Carol E Barron <carolbarron@juno.com> > To: barebear@insightbb.com > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:33:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: Group 6 > > This line is documented in Edgecombe County, North Carolina in the > 1740s through land deeds between Richard & Margaret (Kimbrough) > Harris and her brother Marmaduke Kimbrough. > Richard is the grandson of Robert through his son Robert. > 1750-1751 They are in Granville County, North Carolina according to > Tax Records and land records. > > > Thank you, Ira, for responding. Since your dates of 1740s then 1750-51 > are so close to the date I'm looking at which is 1748 Hanover Co....was > your Robert still in Hanover in 1748 that you're aware of? I'm trying to > pinpoint who the Robert of St. Martins, Hanover is in a 1748 Amelia deed > selling land to my Tho. Harris also of St. Martins Hanover--this Robert > rec'd the patent for this Amelia land in 1745. Then, in 1763 there's > still a Robert of St. Martins Hanover when my Tho. Jr. sells the same > 1748 land back to this Robert. Still yet in 1771, we have a Robert/wife > Eliz. of St. Martins Hanover in 1771 P.E. deed selling his P.E. land to > Stephen Davis of St. Martins Hanover. Trying to sort out these Robert's. > > 1) Robert Harris 1737/38 (Partridge Ledger) > > 2) Robert Harris, Jr 1737/38 (Partridge Ledger) > > 3) Robert Harris, New Market Mill 1738 (Va Gazette) > > 4) Robert Harris, Jr. New Market Mill 1738 (Va Gazette) > > 5) Robert Harris St. Martins Hanover, 1748 Amelia deed (signs, no wife) > (sells to my Thomas Harris same Co./Par.) > > 6) Tho. Jr. of Louisa Co. sells to Robert Harris St. Martins Hanover 1763 > P.E. Co. land (Tho. marks his name/wife Saborey) > > 7) Robert Harris Sep 15, 1769 living near Harrisburg Granville Co. NC > (ref: Va Gazette) > > 8) Robert Harris/Eliz 1771 St. Martins Hanover Co. (marked his P.E. Co. > deed sells to Stephen Davis of St. Martins Hanover Co.) > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:35:22 -0500 Ira Harris <barebear@insightbb.com> > writes: >> Carol, >> >> My line seems to be the trunk line for most of the others. The >> earliest date I have on Robert is that he was born About 1635, >> probably in Virginia. >> This line is documented in Edgecombe County, North Carolina in the >> >> 1740s through land deeds between Richard & Margaret (Kimbrough) >> Harris and her brother Marmaduke Kimbrough. >> Richard is the grandson of Robert through his son Robert. >> 1750-1751 They are in Granville County, North Carolina according to >> >> Tax Records and land records. > >> Some believe that Robert's dad may have been William Harris "of >> Jamestown". He came to America from England aboard the "George" in >> >> 1621. He was born in England in 1596. >> William was part of the surveying crew of Secretary Claiborne. >> >> Pam Stone Ross' line were in the western part of North Carolina >> (Ashe, Surry, Wilkes) after the Revolutionary War. >> >> The Dabney Harris line (part of the Christopher & Temperance >> (Overton) Harris line is also in North Carolina. I do not remember >> >> the timeframe for them. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Ira >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-COLONIALVA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCASHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCASHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, I noticed your last name is Rose- I was wondering if you or your husband would be interested in sharing your line? I was born Cynthia Rose, my parents were Doyle Ray Rose and MaryAnn Boone. His parents were Robert Rose and Rebecca Clark. Robert's parents were Fred Rose and Elizabeth "Lizzie" Dellinger. Fred's parents Emanuel Rose and Buena Vista Johnson. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carol.Rose@nationaltextiles.com> To: <NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4299.1 > > Message Board Post: > > The Joines cemetary is located off of the Pine Crove Church Road, which > you can axcess from the Longbottom road. I two have loved ones burried > there. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4299.1 Message Board Post: The Joines cemetary is located off of the Pine Crove Church Road, which you can axcess from the Longbottom road. I two have loved ones burried there.

Does any one have data they could please share on an OLIVER (OLLIE) MCNIEL/MCNEAL etc He was born about Abt. 1808 but I do not have the exact birth date or his death date? I read he was buried in the Bud Eller Cemetery Bina Ashe CO NC He married Delilah ELLER on August 04, 1828 son of James MCNIEL and Mary (Polly) Shepard I can not find OLIVER or his wife or the last two children William and Elizabeth in the 1870 census. Thank you for sharing any data you might have. Jeanie 1880 T9 0952 559D Staggs Creek Ashe CO NC Delilah MCNEIL age 70 lives with son William P MCNEIL age 32 Farmer Caroline 26 Felis H 6 Roby 5 Carrie 3 Troy 4 months ---- June 14 1860 serial M653 roll 887 page 321 Jefferson PO Ashe CO NC family 204 Oliver MCNEAL age 52 born in NC Farmer personal estate $200. Delila age 50 Alfred age15 William age 12 Elizabeth age 8 ------ 1850 twice numbered moved? M432 649 333A+334B Sept 21 1850 Wilkes CO NC family 1236 Oliver MCNEAL age 42- 500. estate Farmer Delila 39 Harriet 18 Alva 16 Eli 14 Rebeca 10 James 20 Larkin 5 William 2 Matilda Hayes 24 ------ M432 649 359A Oct 20 1850 Wilkes CO family 1710 Oliver MCNEAL age 42 -400. estate Farmer Delile 38 James 20 Harriet 18 Evey 16 Eli 14 Rebecah 12 Alford 8 William 5 next house William S NCNEAL age 45 ------- serial M653 roll 887 page 321 Jefferson PO Ashe CO NC family 204 June 14 1860 Oliver MCNEAL age 52 born in NC Farmer personal estate $200. Delila age 50 Alfred age15 William age 12 Elizabeth age 8 --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Does any one know who Charlotte Richardson parents are?? . She was b. 1814 Wilkes Co. NC. She married Isaac Pruitt 1835. Even a sidling would help.. Thanks Mary Scheller Glen Burnie MD

Major Indian paths and towns: http://ncnatural.com/maps/pathsandtowns.jpg The Moravians bought land at Moravian Falls but never established a community there. They went to present day Winston-Salem instead. See: http://www.moravianarchives.org/history/congregations/southernprov.html There have always been lots of arrowheads and other artifacts found along the creek that runs beside Hwy. 16 between Moravian Falls and Taylorsville, so there were probably Indian settlements there. According to my father who was born in 1914, when he was young there was lots of pottery and other artifacts found in the area to the left of Lithia Springs Road just before it meets Brushy Mountain Road. Joyce Joines Newman > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of ccfunderburk@ec.rr.com > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:45 PM > To: NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCWILKES] Indian village > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4306 > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone know if the present-day town "Mulberry" was once an Indian town? I have read that years ago, maybe in the early l700s, an Indian village was where Mulberry is today. > > Are there other known Indian places and place names in Wilkes County? And I'm guessing that Moravian Falls is named for a group of Moravians who moved there (perhaps from Pennsylvania). Wouldn't they have had a ministry to the Indians in this area? > > What tribe of Indians would they have been? Cherokee? Saura? > > Thanks for any help. > > Carolyn Funderburk > ccfunderburk@ec.rr.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Jeanie, This is really nice thank you for sharing with us/me. My family has not many pictures or know about any of the family. I am trying to learn what I can and see if anyone has any pictures. I just seen a picture of my grandfather for the 1st time last week. He died before I was born. I got it from the museum. He found dinosaur bones in his yard when building a house in his yard. I am trying to get things on my step grandparents now and have the same problem My grandmother was married 4-5 times. Divorced once and outlived all the others. Her first husband died after a few months of marriage at work. I just learned his 1st name this past week Leonard Farris from IL I think then she married Agustus Bergholm then my real gr-grandfather Peter Louis Vana Sr. Then my step grandpa William H. Markham b.21 Jun 1896 Estherville, Emmet, Iowa It's been hard to find any of the family or pictures after the great grandparents. Names or dates or anything. You are very lucky you have as much as you have. I am getting over breast cancer and my dad got lung cancer a month after I got cancer and my mom lung a month after that. Halloween is the anniversary of my dads death. My mom just got lung cancer back again Within a few months they all had heart attacks including my husband and I have 3 blockages also. I just got oxygen in for my husband over the weekend.All my grandparents died of heart failure. except for Peter Van he had an brain anurisium (spelling) on my mother and fathers side I mean moms side lived in 80's das in 40's & 60's Well good luck, God Bless, Lennis n a message dated 10/23/2006 12:12:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, ncwilkes-request@rootsweb.com writes: www.catchattering.blogspot.com This is a web page of my family history with many old pictures. If you have a family picture I can add please send it to me. If you have any more history of this family please share it with me. I am always adding and editing. I have more pictures to add. If you know some of the faces in these pictures that are unknown please write to me. Jeanie nee Bostian Stout 190 Hemlock lane Moravian Falls NC 28654

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4306.1 Message Board Post: MULBERRY FIELDS A Moravian surveying party passed through the area in 1752, and documented that a Cherokee Indian village stood in the old fields. The Cherokee translation for Mulberry Fields is "Keowee." Keowee was often used by the Cherokees as a place name during the colonial Period. During the Revolutionary War, the Mulberry Fields area was a common mustering site for the Wilkes county Militia. The Mulberry Meeting House was a common meeting place to discuss local government issues of the day. Mulberry Fields became Wilkesboro in 1800 when the town was laid out by William Lenoir. Lenoir refused to allow the town to be named after himself. Later, following his death, the next town up the road was named for Lenoir.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4306 Message Board Post: Does anyone know if the present-day town "Mulberry" was once an Indian town? I have read that years ago, maybe in the early l700s, an Indian village was where Mulberry is today. Are there other known Indian places and place names in Wilkes County? And I'm guessing that Moravian Falls is named for a group of Moravians who moved there (perhaps from Pennsylvania). Wouldn't they have had a ministry to the Indians in this area? What tribe of Indians would they have been? Cherokee? Saura? Thanks for any help. Carolyn Funderburk ccfunderburk@ec.rr.com

HI I am not an expert in this area. The small town of Wilkesboro was once called Mullberry Fields. A large open field still stands that is part of a working farm with a large barn along the Yadkin River that sits just behind the town of Wilkesboro on Main St RT 268 was onced called Mullberry Fields? Were an Indian Village once stood. This field has a good view from the other side on Rt 421 at a Coffee Tavern that has a deck almost over the River . Inside the coffee Tavern they have a large wall painting to remember the Indian trail of tears. I think that is on RT 421 in North Wilkes boro . You can hike on the Green Way Trail from the Coffee Tavern over a bridge along this Field into Wilkesboro. Maybe some one else can give too cents. I am not of this State but claimed it as home the place to rest my bones. Jeanie www.catchattering.blogspot.com This is a web page of my family history with many old pictures. If you have a family picture I can add please send it to me. If you have any more history of this family please share it with me. I am always adding and editing. I have more pictures to add. If you know some of the faces in these pictures that are unknown please write to me. Jeanie nee Bostian Stout 190 Hemlock lane Moravian Falls NC 28654 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xUB.2ACE/4305 Message Board Post: Would you please contact me about your Craven family tree?

Lenny, Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married Mary Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter Pheroby who married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and Joines DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. Joyce Joyce Joines Newman Fountain, NC > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to son > across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore we have > a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same as > mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending males > "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove what > that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have the > same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by looking at > the YDNA. > > We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very > closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's > suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm > stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to > inadvertantly incite a riot). > > We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my > "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at a > couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but it > MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the pension > papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a sample > from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James Junior > sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start to > suspect that there was a significant generational difference between James > Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY that > Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have a > WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a JAMES > JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they were > brothers. > > That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as well. > If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the Jesse > P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, marker > mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't match, > well, more head scratching I suppose. > > It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very closely > with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's and > CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin > Caudill's from the late 1700's. > > To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd love to > have anyone in the project that qualifies. > > Great stuff. Confused yet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > Thanks Jim > > > > > >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; some > >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, 1082, > >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born > >> besides > >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. She was > >> the > >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James Caudill > >> Sr> > >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of Jeremiah > >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a son of > >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins maybe the > >> DNA > >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. Jim > >> Ovendorf > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Barbara, The new bulleting hasn't been sent out yet because I am not finished with it. Did you email me the new address??? I am actually not the one who handles that part - that would go to N.C. Huffman, I am not sure of his email address at the moment. Kina -----Original Message----- From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Shirley Rogerson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:21 PM To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Barbara Rogerson - Cheek/Blackburn Hi, Kina. My Cheek line starts with WIlliam and Elizabeth Lindal Cheek, who were from England. To date, no one has been able to determine who Henderson's ancestors were, so we don't know if we are connected to his line of Cheeks. You have probably seen Jeff Williams' book on the Cheeks and related lines. I have the second edition, and it is a wonderful book!! If you HAVEN'T seen it, I believe the library in Wilkes has a copy. Anyone interested in purchasing a copy I would tell that it is WELL worth the price!!! On another subject, I didn't receive the latest copy of the Wilkes Bulletin (the one with the blue cover), and I don't know if that is something the post office will forward. I had emailed you my change of address, and you thought that would be good enough. If they were just recently mailed, then I will probably get mine. If it's been a couple of months, then my old address might still be in the system. Maybe one day someone will find more info on Henderson Cheek's ancestors. Wouldn't that be great! I suspect there is a connection there. Barbara Kina Crumpton <robbienkina@charter.net> wrote: Barbara, I am interested in your Cheek family connection. I descend from Henderson and Julia/Judah Anne Bagley/Bagby who were married in Wilkes Co., NC on 9/27/1827. Any connections? Kina Gilley Crumpton --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, I am interested in your Cheek family connection. I descend from Henderson and Julia/Judah Anne Bagley/Bagby who were married in Wilkes Co., NC on 9/27/1827. Any connections? Kina Gilley Crumpton -----Original Message----- From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Shirley Rogerson Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:46 PM To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] (no subject) I would like to add that I agree with Melba! I have learned so much, and I've been put in contact with many long-lost "relatives" whom I would never have otherwise known. Barbara Ann Shirley Rogerson researching Blackburn, Cheek, Church, Greene, Payne, Phillips, Shirley, Watson and many other collateral lines. MBailey494@aol.com wrote: I certainly appreciate this service Melba Waddell Bailey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, thanks. I knew someone would come up with a good reason for those odd deed dates. What you said makes sense. I have found some weird dates on censuses, obits, wills, etc. It was Joan Marie that was asking for help with those dates that did not add up, so hope you emailed her to explain, also. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry klutz" <larryklutz@earthlink.net> To: "Jo Ann Whitworth <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net>," <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME > I just had a similar problem in 2's and 7's in some 1880 census records. > I read the age of a head of household as 77 and was convinced of it until > I > found records for this individual in 1870, 1900 and 1910 which showed that > this 1880 census taker made NO DISTINCTION between 2's and 7's. I looked > at his numbers on several page. If you have other records that are > consistant with another date, I'd trust them. Also, I'd look for other > examples of penmanship by this writer (clerk). > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Jo Ann Whitworth <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 10/16/2006 11:23:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME >> >> Sounds to me like the poor old guy was cheated out of his property, or > that >> William Byrd put it in writing that he gave his property to son in law, > but >> never had it recorded, then a long time later, someone found that piece > of >> writing and claimed to be William Byrd (maybe a relative of the William >> Byrd). Hope someone can come up with a much better reason than mine for >> this mystery and I am sure they will. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joan Marie" <my33har@open.org> >> To: <NCWILKES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:40 PM >> Subject: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME >> >> >> >I have in front of me a copy of a microfilm document that is sure >> >presenting problems. It is from p49 of court records and is a "deed of >> >gift" from an "old and infirm" Joshua Harbin to s-i-l Wm. Byrd for >> >maintance of Joshua and his wife, and gives his s-i-l William Byrd >> >essentially all his possessions. The problem is this: >> > >> > The deed was dated the 15th day of Sept 1872 - no question about the >> > writing. It is listed under the Nov Term AD 1872, and the following > deed >> > is also dated Nov Term AD 1872. All the ones are ones, all the sevens > are >> > sevens. >> > >> > My records indicate Joshua was born in 1755 in MD, married Ruth > Hoskinson >> > in 1778 in MD, appears in deeds & censuses in Wilkes County 1778-1810, > but >> > not thereafter. He had a dau who married William Byrd. >> > >> > So are the court records dated incorrectly (1812 would make much more >> > sense) or do we have two Joshua Harbins who married two Ruths and had > two >> > s-i-l's named William Byrd? >> > >> > Since both things sound abit unlikely to me, I would appreciate > readers' >> > comments on this. You know your early settlers - do you think the > latter >> > might have happened? Thanks so much! >> > >> > Joan Marie >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I just had a similar problem in 2's and 7's in some 1880 census records. I read the age of a head of household as 77 and was convinced of it until I found records for this individual in 1870, 1900 and 1910 which showed that this 1880 census taker made NO DISTINCTION between 2's and 7's. I looked at his numbers on several page. If you have other records that are consistant with another date, I'd trust them. Also, I'd look for other examples of penmanship by this writer (clerk). > [Original Message] > From: Jo Ann Whitworth <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/16/2006 11:23:43 PM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME > > Sounds to me like the poor old guy was cheated out of his property, or that > William Byrd put it in writing that he gave his property to son in law, but > never had it recorded, then a long time later, someone found that piece of > writing and claimed to be William Byrd (maybe a relative of the William > Byrd). Hope someone can come up with a much better reason than mine for > this mystery and I am sure they will. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Marie" <my33har@open.org> > To: <NCWILKES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:40 PM > Subject: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME > > > >I have in front of me a copy of a microfilm document that is sure > >presenting problems. It is from p49 of court records and is a "deed of > >gift" from an "old and infirm" Joshua Harbin to s-i-l Wm. Byrd for > >maintance of Joshua and his wife, and gives his s-i-l William Byrd > >essentially all his possessions. The problem is this: > > > > The deed was dated the 15th day of Sept 1872 - no question about the > > writing. It is listed under the Nov Term AD 1872, and the following deed > > is also dated Nov Term AD 1872. All the ones are ones, all the sevens are > > sevens. > > > > My records indicate Joshua was born in 1755 in MD, married Ruth Hoskinson > > in 1778 in MD, appears in deeds & censuses in Wilkes County 1778-1810, but > > not thereafter. He had a dau who married William Byrd. > > > > So are the court records dated incorrectly (1812 would make much more > > sense) or do we have two Joshua Harbins who married two Ruths and had two > > s-i-l's named William Byrd? > > > > Since both things sound abit unlikely to me, I would appreciate readers' > > comments on this. You know your early settlers - do you think the latter > > might have happened? Thanks so much! > > > > Joan Marie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Kina. My Cheek line starts with WIlliam and Elizabeth Lindal Cheek, who were from England. To date, no one has been able to determine who Henderson's ancestors were, so we don't know if we are connected to his line of Cheeks. You have probably seen Jeff Williams' book on the Cheeks and related lines. I have the second edition, and it is a wonderful book!! If you HAVEN'T seen it, I believe the library in Wilkes has a copy. Anyone interested in purchasing a copy I would tell that it is WELL worth the price!!! On another subject, I didn't receive the latest copy of the Wilkes Bulletin (the one with the blue cover), and I don't know if that is something the post office will forward. I had emailed you my change of address, and you thought that would be good enough. If they were just recently mailed, then I will probably get mine. If it's been a couple of months, then my old address might still be in the system. Maybe one day someone will find more info on Henderson Cheek's ancestors. Wouldn't that be great! I suspect there is a connection there. Barbara Kina Crumpton <robbienkina@charter.net> wrote: Barbara, I am interested in your Cheek family connection. I descend from Henderson and Julia/Judah Anne Bagley/Bagby who were married in Wilkes Co., NC on 9/27/1827. Any connections? Kina Gilley Crumpton --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

Well folks, it's that time again. I am running behind this time because of the upcoming election, so I am going to try and finish the bulletin by tomorrow evening (10/17/06). If you have pictures, stories, queries, etc., that you would like to share for the fall bulletin, please send them to me ASAP with your contact information - in case someone wants to reach you! Thanks! Kina Gilley Crumpton Wilkes Genealogical Society Editor _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline

Sounds to me like the poor old guy was cheated out of his property, or that William Byrd put it in writing that he gave his property to son in law, but never had it recorded, then a long time later, someone found that piece of writing and claimed to be William Byrd (maybe a relative of the William Byrd). Hope someone can come up with a much better reason than mine for this mystery and I am sure they will. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Marie" <my33har@open.org> To: <NCWILKES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [NCWILKES] RECORD PROBLEM RE HARBIN SURNAME >I have in front of me a copy of a microfilm document that is sure >presenting problems. It is from p49 of court records and is a "deed of >gift" from an "old and infirm" Joshua Harbin to s-i-l Wm. Byrd for >maintance of Joshua and his wife, and gives his s-i-l William Byrd >essentially all his possessions. The problem is this: > > The deed was dated the 15th day of Sept 1872 - no question about the > writing. It is listed under the Nov Term AD 1872, and the following deed > is also dated Nov Term AD 1872. All the ones are ones, all the sevens are > sevens. > > My records indicate Joshua was born in 1755 in MD, married Ruth Hoskinson > in 1778 in MD, appears in deeds & censuses in Wilkes County 1778-1810, but > not thereafter. He had a dau who married William Byrd. > > So are the court records dated incorrectly (1812 would make much more > sense) or do we have two Joshua Harbins who married two Ruths and had two > s-i-l's named William Byrd? > > Since both things sound abit unlikely to me, I would appreciate readers' > comments on this. You know your early settlers - do you think the latter > might have happened? Thanks so much! > > Joan Marie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to son across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore we have a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same as mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending males "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove what that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have the same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by looking at the YDNA. We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to inadvertantly incite a riot). We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at a couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but it MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the pension papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a sample from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James Junior sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start to suspect that there was a significant generational difference between James Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY that Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have a WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a JAMES JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they were brothers. That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as well. If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the Jesse P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, marker mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't match, well, more head scratching I suppose. It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very closely with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's and CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin Caudill's from the late 1700's. To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd love to have anyone in the project that qualifies. Great stuff. Confused yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > Thanks Jim > > >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; some >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, 1082, >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born >> besides >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. She was >> the >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James Caudill >> Sr >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of Jeremiah >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a son of >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins maybe the >> DNA >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. Jim >> Ovendorf > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >