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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gregory Rose Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xUB.2ACE/963.1.1 Message Board Post: Curtis Gregory's mother was Mary Rose who married Samuel Rose. Samuel Rose left his estate to his wife. Upon her death it was to go to Curtis Gregory's two daughters. Curtis died in the Civil War and is buried in Jefferson Barracks, MO.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4317 Message Board Post: This is a good website link to the members directory where folks connect with other families doing genealogy and research in general. Just enter your surname and do a search on it. It brings up all familys who have a website that connects with your surname. You can email each website to join or get information. I dont know why myfamily.com doesnt advertise this site index. I just happened to run across it. http://www.myfamily.com/exec?c=home&htx=SiteIndex

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLARK, YORK, JOHNSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4316 Message Board Post: My WILLIAM CLARK, b abt 1740 lived in Wilkes Co NC. Wilkes county will book I, 1778-1779 lists William Clark as part of a survey on 8 Nov 1799 dealing with taxation of land lying on the waters of Reddies River, Mulberry Creek, Roaring River and New River. Leah (may have been Elizabeth Leah, since she named her daughter as such) JOHNSON was born abt 1742, was William's wife. Henry and Thomas, sons of Wm. and Jeremiah YORK who married William's daughter left before 1799 1800 William Clark listed for the last time in Wilkes Co on a deed in 1800. Note: Typo "Lilliam" s/b William Clark and note the Johnsons (Capt Johnson's District). Our William, according to Jim Clark's research is first listed in the Wilkes Co NC tax list of 1784 with 250 acres. According to Roaring River Baptist Church Minutes, they were members.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3954.3.1 Message Board Post: Dear Elizabeth: You don't know how long and hard I have tried to get the information your posting shows, i.e. John Laws (son of David) on the 1830 Federal Census for Wilkes County died between 1830 and 1840. My records show he died on March 9, 1835 but did not tell me where. If he and his brother, James and his widow, Sarah moved to Missouri in mid to late 1830's, that squares with John's date of death. The 1840 Federal Census for Saint Francois, Mo. shows a Sarah Laws as a "head of household" which squares with John dying before the 1840 census. The 1840 Mo. census also shows a James Laws as a head of household. both show they would have had a daughter the age of Penelope Nellie Laws, John and Sarah's daughter who was born in 1823 You state that David and Martha (Mitchell) had sons, James andJohn listed "out of house" on the 1810 Wilkes Census.d Do you mean by this that there are separate listings for James and John both as Heads of Household? I have printed out the 1810 census for all three. What is meant by John Laws (Miller)? As you may recall from my wife's original posting we are trying to get her DAR application approved. Presently we have just two things we need to prove, ie. John's death and John had a daughter named Penelope Nellie Laws. As noted above, both the Mo. census of James and Sarah show each houshold could have a daughter Penelope's age in 1840, ie.15 to 20 yrs of age. The DAR genalogist wants proof that Sarah would be t he one who daughter was Penelope or prove that the daughter of that age could not be the daughter listed under James Head of Household. In summary, I need the following evidence: 1. proof of death of John 2. Penelope was the daughter of John 3. Penelope was the daughter shown under Sarah in the 1840 Saint Francois Cty. Mo. census I don't have any info on your line coming from John's daughter, Mary but if I stumble on any, I will let you know Regards John Pattillo

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: David Laws Sr.; John Laws (son of David) Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/2240.1 Message Board Post: Dear Bonnie: My ultimate request concerns John Laws (son of David Laws who was a Patriot and born in Va. in 1755). John was born in Wilkes County, N.C. in 1780. I believe your Williams Laws was the father of David Laws, Sr. (who witnessed William's Will). John Laws (son of David) married a Sarah (Sara,Sally) Teague in 1802. Sarah and John had a daughter, Penelope Nellie Laws who moved with at least her mother and perhaps with her father John (if he were still alive for John died on 9 Mar 1835), to Saint Francois County,Mo. sometime betweens 1830 and 1840. My need is evidence of where John died as well as evidence of his death. Icing on the cake would be firm evidence that Penelope Nellie Laws was the daughter of John Laws (son of David) Can you help? John Pattillo

Kathy-thank you so much for the information-I did not have it before, and the names are similar to my Kerby's!! What would I do with this information from here? Is there more information I can obtain from it? Thanks again, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: Txsadsack@houston.rr.com<mailto:Txsadsack@houston.rr.com> To: NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Kerby Family ( 1777-1858) Wilks Co. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KIRBY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/531.37.1.1<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/531.37.1.1> Message Board Post: Hey Connie, Sometime back I received some information from Wilkes Co., NC in regards to land transactions. It records the following: Grantee Grantor Trans Bk Page date Henry Kirby State NC grant A-1 33 1780 Edman Kirby State NC grant A-1 45 1780 Francis " Andrew Kennady deed G&H 497 1814 Francis K " " deed G&H 498 1814 Francis K " " deed G&H 500 1814 None of these appear to be my Kirby's. You may have already obtained this information but if not, it may help you in your search. Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KIRBY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/531.37.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey Connie, Sometime back I received some information from Wilkes Co., NC in regards to land transactions. It records the following: Grantee Grantor Trans Bk Page date Henry Kirby State NC grant A-1 33 1780 Edman Kirby State NC grant A-1 45 1780 Francis " Andrew Kennady deed G&H 497 1814 Francis K " " deed G&H 498 1814 Francis K " " deed G&H 500 1814 None of these appear to be my Kirby's. You may have already obtained this information but if not, it may help you in your search. Kathy

I am trying to locate information on Hulda Spicer born abt.1850, married James Darnell and was the mother of Mary Darnell Bowlin/g b. 04 Mar 1872. Did your Zacharias Spicer have any sibilings? Do you have any other information on Zacharias? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Tina Hess -----Original Message----- From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of rlcollins@yadtel.net Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:36 PM To: NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Obituary, Edna Mae McBride Luffman, 93 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McBride, Spicer, Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3936.1.1 Message Board Post: Sherry, While I didn't have any information on Ida, I did a little research for you. Ida was born 4 26 1878 & died 7 29 1951 in Wilkes County, NC. She married John Robbins McBride 11 17 1906. Ida is the d/o Zacharias Spicer & Paulina Hall Zacharia was born abt 1853 died 7 24 1939 Hope this is of some help. Ron Collins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 11/8/2006 1:40 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 11/8/2006 1:40 PM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3936.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much Ron, this not our Ida we are searching for. However, I have followed your ida in hopes it was her. Thank you again for listing her dates. We know our Ida was born in va, 1903-5 Father was John Joseph. We know Joe was in NC, Portsmouth VA during several years work. Again, thanks. Sherry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/2596.2 Message Board Post: I am looking for info on Isaac Lovelace father of James. please email me direct Jeanine

I see. So we need direct male Joines descendants. Thanks. > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 6:50 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > Nope .. YDNA follows the father. In your example, it would be Caudill YDNA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands > > who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), > > the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same > > Joines DNA? > > > > > > > >> ---------- > >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM > >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a > >> son > >> and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the > >> father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed > >> mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA > >> would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. > >> > >> We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. > >> > >> Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of > >> Ezekial), > >> let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants > >> of > >> Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several > >> generations > >> ago. > >> > >> If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to > >> Familytreedna.com > >> and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a > >> Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first > >> sample! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> > >> > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a > >> > lot > >> > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would > >> > still > >> > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if > >> > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, > >> > wouldn't > >> > it? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM > >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The > >> >> Caudill > >> >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male > >> >> line. > >> >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families > >> >> are > >> >> intermarried many times. > >> >> > >> >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you > >> >> aware > >> >> of a Joines Project? > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Lenny, > >> >> > > >> >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married > >> >> > Mary > >> >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter > > >> >> > Pheroby > >> >> > who > >> >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? > >> >> > > >> >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and > >> >> > Joines > >> >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > Joyce > >> >> > > >> >> > Joyce Joines Newman > >> >> > Fountain, NC > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> ---------- > >> >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill > >> >> >> II > >> >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > >> >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> son > >> >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson > >> >> >> therefore > >> >> >> we > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were > >> >> >> (same > > >> >> >> as > >> >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending > >> >> >> males > >> >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't > >> >> >> prove > >> >> >> what > >> >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by > >> >> >> looking > >> >> >> at > >> >> >> the YDNA. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA > >> >> >> very > >> >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton > >> >> >> Cox's > >> >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. > >> >> >> (I'm > >> >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match > >> >> >> my > >> >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches > >> >> >> at > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship > >> >> >> but > >> >> >> it > >> >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> pension > >> >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> sample > >> >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the > >> >> >> James > >> >> >> Junior > >> >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can > >> >> >> start > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference > >> >> >> between > >> >> >> James > >> >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the > >> >> >> PROBABILITY > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a > >> >> >> JAMES > >> >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they > >> >> >> were > >> >> >> brothers. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as > >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> Jesse > >> >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, > >> >> >> marker > >> >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't > >> >> >> match, > >> >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very > >> >> >> closely > >> >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the > >> >> >> CAUDELL's > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin> > >> >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd > >> >> >> love > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > >> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> > > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks Jim > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of > >> >> >> >> !858; > >> >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, > >> >> >> >> 1801, > >> >> >> >> 1082, > >> >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was > >> >> >> >> born > >> >> >> >> besides > >> >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. > >> >> >> >> She > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of > >> >> >> >> James > >> >> >> >> Caudill > >> >> >> >> Sr> > >> >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of > >> >> >> >> Jeremiah > >> >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a > >> >> >> >> son > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins > >> >> >> >> maybe > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> DNA> > >> >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. > >> >> >> >> Jim > >> >> >> >> Ovendorf > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> > the > >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McBride, Spicer, Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3936.1.2 Message Board Post: Sherry, While I didn't have any information on Ida, I did a little research for you. Ida was born 4 26 1878 & died 7 29 1951 in Wilkes County, NC. She married John Robbins McBride 11 17 1906. Ida is the d/o Zacharias Spicer & Paulina Hall Zacharia was born abt 1853 died 7 24 1939 Hope this is of some help. Ron Collins

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McBride, Spicer, Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3936.1.1 Message Board Post: Sherry, While I didn't have any information on Ida, I did a little research for you. Ida was born 4 26 1878 & died 7 29 1951 in Wilkes County, NC. She married John Robbins McBride 11 17 1906. Ida is the d/o Zacharias Spicer & Paulina Hall Zacharia was born abt 1853 died 7 24 1939 Hope this is of some help. Ron Collins

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/3936.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Please let me know if you have any information on Ida Spicer McBride. I have been researching the McBrides for several years. I await your response. Thank you in advance. Sherry

Nope .. YDNA follows the father. In your example, it would be Caudill YDNA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands > who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), > the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same > Joines DNA? > > > >> ---------- >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a >> son >> and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the >> father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed >> mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA >> would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. >> >> We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. >> >> Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of >> Ezekial), >> let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants >> of >> Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several >> generations >> ago. >> >> If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to >> Familytreedna.com >> and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a >> Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first >> sample! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a >> > lot >> > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would >> > still >> > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if >> > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, >> > wouldn't >> > it? >> > >> > >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The >> >> Caudill >> >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male >> >> line. >> >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families >> >> are >> >> intermarried many times. >> >> >> >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you >> >> aware >> >> of a Joines Project? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lenny, >> >> > >> >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married >> >> > Mary >> >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter >> >> > Pheroby >> >> > who >> >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? >> >> > >> >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and >> >> > Joines >> >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. >> >> > >> >> > Joyce >> >> > >> >> > Joyce Joines Newman >> >> > Fountain, NC >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill >> >> >> II >> >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM >> >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father >> >> >> to >> >> >> son >> >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson >> >> >> therefore >> >> >> we >> >> >> have >> >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were >> >> >> (same > >> >> >> as >> >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending >> >> >> males >> >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't >> >> >> prove >> >> >> what >> >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother >> >> >> have >> >> >> the >> >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by >> >> >> looking >> >> >> at >> >> >> the YDNA. >> >> >> >> >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA >> >> >> very >> >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton >> >> >> Cox's >> >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. >> >> >> (I'm >> >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not >> >> >> to >> >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). >> >> >> >> >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match >> >> >> my >> >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches >> >> >> at >> >> >> a >> >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship >> >> >> but >> >> >> it >> >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from >> >> >> the >> >> >> pension >> >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need >> >> >> a >> >> >> sample >> >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the >> >> >> James >> >> >> Junior >> >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can >> >> >> start >> >> >> to >> >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference >> >> >> between >> >> >> James >> >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the >> >> >> PROBABILITY >> >> >> that >> >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a >> >> >> JAMES >> >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they >> >> >> were >> >> >> brothers. >> >> >> >> >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as >> >> >> well. >> >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or >> >> >> the > >> >> >> Jesse >> >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, >> >> >> marker >> >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't >> >> >> match, >> >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. >> >> >> >> >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very >> >> >> closely >> >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the >> >> >> CAUDELL's >> >> >> and >> >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin >> >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. >> >> >> >> >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd >> >> >> love >> >> >> to >> >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. >> >> >> >> >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> >> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Jim >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of >> >> >> >> !858; >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, >> >> >> >> 1801, >> >> >> >> 1082, >> >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was >> >> >> >> born >> >> >> >> besides >> >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. >> >> >> >> She >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> Caudill >> >> >> >> Sr> >> >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of >> >> >> >> Jeremiah >> >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a >> >> >> >> son >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins >> >> >> >> maybe >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> DNA> >> >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> Ovendorf >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> >> the >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> > the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kay...thanks for getting in touch with me. Hope you can run up on some info on these people. Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "KAY ABRAM" <grandma4_9@msn.com> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Question about Hampton family > Sorry, I haven't responded sooner. haven't worked on them for a awhile. I > haven't came across that name but I will keep your email in file and if I > do. I will write. kaye > I do Senior Discount-"Once A Month,only.ask for details. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Becky Perdue<mailto:gbadue1@charter.net> > To: NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCWILKES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:15 AM > Subject: [NCWILKES] Question about Hampton family > > > Hi Kay....I have been trying to find info on E. B. Hampton and wife > Alice. My gg grandfather William H. Freeman m. to Hannah Dunn Freeman > bought land from Mr. Hampton by l860 in Yadkin Co. NC. They relocated > from Montgomery Co. NC to this county. Trying to find some reason they > relocated to Yadkin Co. and wondered if the Hampton's and Freeman's could > have been kin??? Thanks for your time. Becky > gbadue1@charter.net<mailto:gbadue1@charter.net> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

But if daughters of Thomas Joines had male descendants by their husbands who weren't Joineses, (if a Joines girl married a Caudill for example), the male descendants regardless of last name would still have the same Joines DNA? > ---------- > From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:48 PM > To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a son > and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the > father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed > mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA > would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. > > We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. > > Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of Ezekial), > let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants of > Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several generations > ago. > > If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to Familytreedna.com > and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a > Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first > sample! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > > > > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a lot > > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would still > > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if > > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, wouldn't > > it? > > > > > > > >> ---------- > >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM > >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The > >> Caudill > >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male > >> line. > >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families are > >> intermarried many times. > >> > >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you > >> aware > >> of a Joines Project? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> > >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> > >> > >> > Lenny, > >> > > >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married > >> > Mary > >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter Pheroby > >> > who > >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? > >> > > >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and > >> > Joines > >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. > >> > > >> > Joyce > >> > > >> > Joyce Joines Newman > >> > Fountain, NC > >> > > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II > >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM > >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to > >> >> son > >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore > >> >> we > >> >> have > >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same > > >> >> as > >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending > >> >> males > >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove > >> >> what > >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have > >> >> the > >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by > >> >> looking > >> >> at > >> >> the YDNA. > >> >> > >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very > >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's > >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm > >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to > >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). > >> >> > >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my > >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at > >> >> a > >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but > >> >> it > >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the > >> >> pension > >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a > >> >> sample > >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James > >> >> Junior > >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start > >> >> to > >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference between > >> >> James > >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY > >> >> that > >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have > >> >> a > >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a > >> >> JAMES > >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they > >> >> were > >> >> brothers. > >> >> > >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as > >> >> well. > >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the > > >> >> Jesse > >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, > >> >> marker > >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't > >> >> match, > >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. > >> >> > >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very > >> >> closely > >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's > >> >> and > >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin > >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. > >> >> > >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd > >> >> love > >> >> to > >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. > >> >> > >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> > >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks Jim > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; > >> >> >> some > >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, > >> >> >> 1082, > >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born > >> >> >> besides > >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. > >> >> >> She > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James > >> >> >> Caudill > >> >> >> Sr> > >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of > >> >> >> Jeremiah > >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a > >> >> >> son > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins > >> >> >> maybe > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> DNA> > >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. Jim > >> >> >> Ovendorf > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> > the > >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The YDNA follows the male line. For instance, if an unwed woman has a son and the son takes her name, let's say Caudill, the YDNA would be of the father not Caudill YDNA even though the name is Caudill from his unwed mother. If for instance the father in this example was a Smith, the YDNA would be SMITH even though his name is Caudill. We have an instance in the Caudill DNA Project where this has happened. Any male Joines today that trace back to Thomas Joines (father of Ezekial), let's say, would have the exact same YDNA as all other male descendants of Thomas Joines even though their lines may have split off several generations ago. If you're interested, you can start the project. Write to Familytreedna.com and tell them you're interested in strating the project. Since you're a Joines, you can draft a brother, father, uncle, male cousin as your first sample! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC > No, I don't know of a Joines DNA project, although it would clarify a lot > of mysteries about relationships if there were one. The test would still > show a common ancestry among any Joineses who were related, even if > various intermarried with other genetic lines like the Caudills, wouldn't > it? > > > >> ---------- >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:55 PM >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> I'm a descendant of Jeremiah. He's my 4th great grandfather. The >> Caudill >> DNA Project is a YDNA project which means that we're tracing the male >> line. >> The Joines YDNA and Caudill YDNA is unique even though the families are >> intermarried many times. >> >> There isn't a Joines DNA project listed at FamilyTreeDNA.com. Are you >> aware >> of a Joines Project? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Newman, Joyce Joines" <NEWMANJ@ecu.edu> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> > Lenny, >> > >> > Are you also a descendant of Ezekiel Joines's son Thomas who married >> > Mary >> > Caudill or of Jeremiah Caudill and Sara Jane Adams's daughter Pheroby >> > who >> > married Ezekiel Joines, son of Thomas or of any other Joines? >> > >> > If so, it would be great to see someone compare the Caudill DNA and >> > Joines >> > DNA from various families in VA, MD, GA, NC, KY, TX, etc. >> > >> > Joyce >> > >> > Joyce Joines Newman >> > Fountain, NC >> > >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: ncwilkes-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lenny F. Caudill II >> >> Reply To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM >> >> To: ncwilkes@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> The Caudill DNA Project traces the Y chromosome passed from father to >> >> son >> >> across the generations. I'm Jeremiah's 4th great-grandson therefore >> >> we >> >> have >> >> a good basis for saying what Jeremiah's YDNA marker values were (same >> >> as >> >> mine). YDNA research can only provide evidence that two descending >> >> males >> >> "were related", or conversely disprove relationship. YDNA can't prove >> >> what >> >> that relationship was. In other words, my uncle and my brother have >> >> the >> >> same YDNA as I do. We can't discern brother from uncle just by >> >> looking >> >> at >> >> the YDNA. >> >> >> >> We have a participant from the Jesse P. line that matches my DNA very >> >> closely. This would, it seems to me, lend credence to Clayton Cox's >> >> suggestion that Jesse P. was very closely related to Jeremiah. (I'm >> >> stopping at this point and measuring my words carefully so as not to >> >> inadvertantly incite a riot). >> >> >> >> We have two samples from the Stephen A. Caudill line and they match my >> >> "Jeremiah" sample to a great extent but there are a few mismatches at >> >> a >> >> couple of fast moving markers. This would strongly imply kinship but >> >> it >> >> MIGHT be more distant than traditionally accepted. We know from the >> >> pension >> >> papers that Stephen A. and James Jr. were brothers. We really need a >> >> sample >> >> from the James Jr. line to bring this more into focus. If the James >> >> Junior >> >> sample matches the Stephen A. samples very closely, then we can start >> >> to >> >> suspect that there was a significant generational difference between >> >> James >> >> Junior and Jeremiah (thereby significantly lessening the PROBABILITY >> >> that >> >> Jeremiah and James Junior Uncle and nephew). At that point, we'd have >> >> a >> >> WILLIAM sample via the Jeremiah line, two STEPHEN A. samples, and a >> >> JAMES >> >> JR. sample. If they do not match, it's highly improbable that they >> >> were >> >> brothers. >> >> >> >> That's why I'm tyrying to get a Grandpa Billy participant sample as >> >> well. >> >> If the Grandpa Billy participant matches my sample precisely, or the > >> >> Jesse >> >> P. sample, then we can deduce that there haven't been many, or any, >> >> marker >> >> mutations in the Jeremiah line since say 1800 or so. If it doesn't >> >> match, >> >> well, more head scratching I suppose. >> >> >> >> It's interesting to note that our CAUDELL participants match very >> >> closely >> >> with the other samples once again implying strongly that the CAUDELL's >> >> and >> >> CAUDILL's are kin. These lines descend from two different Benjamin >> >> Caudill's from the late 1700's. >> >> >> >> To participate you must be a male with a CAUDILL blood line. We'd >> >> love >> >> to >> >> have anyone in the project that qualifies. >> >> >> >> Great stuff. Confused yet? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Nanalee Wrenn" <nwrenn37@yadtel.net> >> >> To: <ncwilkes@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:00 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Joines Cemetery, Wilkes County, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks Jim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Sarah (Sally) Jane Adams was born 26 Dec 1780 and died May of !858; >> >> >> some >> >> >> have said she was born in 1787 but she had children in 1799, 1801, >> >> >> 1082, >> >> >> 1803 etc which would mean she was 12 when her first child was born >> >> >> besides >> >> >> census records do not bear out the 1787 date but does the 1780. >> >> >> She >> >> >> was >> >> >> the >> >> >> daughter of John Adams, Jr. and Ann Caudill who was dau of James >> >> >> Caudill >> >> >> Sr> >> >> >> and Mary Yarborough. If this was the case then the father of >> >> >> Jeremiah >> >> >> Caudill (Sarah's husband) who is thought to be William Caudill a >> >> >> son >> >> >> of >> >> >> James Sr then Jeremiah and Sarah would have been first cousins >> >> >> maybe >> >> >> the >> >> >> DNA >> >> >> project on the Caudill line can prove or disprove that theory. Jim >> >> >> Ovendorf >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> > the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWILKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stafford, Lunsford, Fox, Teague Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xUB.2ACE/4315 Message Board Post: Came across this when looking for my Stafford family. Thought someone might be interested in this link. Happy Trails, DSH http://www.newrivernotes.com//nc/wilkes.htm