Celia, Try to reach Joanne at [email protected] If you can not get her she posts under just Joanne or sometimes Joanne Pezzullo on the Melungeon Board. Jodi --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jo Ann and group; > > I have Andrew Collins b. 1811 Clay County, KY > married to Elizabeth Ann > Sizemore b. 1815 in Clay County, KY. Just before > 1840 they went to > Missouri. > > Andrew was the oldest son of Bradley Collins of > Orange Co., NC and elsewhere > in North Carolina b. 1787 and who married as his 2ND > wife, Jane Ray in > Orange Co., NC in 1817. Bradley was first married > in 1807/8 and had as his > oldest daughter, Keziah Collins, b. 1809. He had > some half brothers and > sisters who were mulatto but he himself was always > listed as white, though > there is some indication he may have been part (like > only about a quarter) > Native American. Andrew Collins (son of Bradley) > and his sons were mostly > blonde and blue-eyed. > > NOTE: My Bradley Collins is NOT the same Bradley > Collins that Brenda Dillon > has been chasing around in the records. Brenda > Dillon Collins' has a > different Bradley Collins who WAS listed as mixed > race--half black and > Native American or so in combination with white. > The Collins of Floyd > County--and then later some in Clay were not the > Collins who were in North > Carolina. The Floyd County Collins are mostly > connected to Montgomery > County, Virginia and elsewhere. The connections to > Virginia are pretty well > documented. > > There is also no evidence that the Bradley Collins > who married Jane Ray in > 1817 and from his first marriage had Keziah, Andrew > and ???(at least two > other children) was the son of Meredith Collins. > > Since I don't know who the parents of Elizabeth Ann > ("Betsy") Sizemore were, > I don't know if she connects with the infamous Mr. > Riddle. I wouldn't be > surprised either way. I have one other infamous > Tory line among dozens of > patriots also, so it's hard to be greatly surprised > at this point. ;-) > > I also am chasing down a Lemar family--half of > which, along with half of my > Landrums/Lendrums went to Oklahoma on the "Trail of > Tears." I suspect my > Lemar ancestor was a full brother of the one who > went to Oklahoma and made a > devil's bargain to keep his property in Tennessee by > renouncing tribal > affiliation. The Lemars have a problem in proving > identity since they were > also French Huguenot in addition to allegedly being > part Native American. > The dark hair and eyes could have come from either. > ;-) > > Then there is the Arnold family... > > I'm down to finding the last three or four > generations max on all my > mother's lines after 40 years of research. I'm > trying to finish writing a > family history at least back to the point of > European immigration (for those > who came from Europe in the past 400 years) before > the end of my own life. > I don't want to become another Lyman Draper, driving > my nieces and nephews > nuts with boxes of files, etc. that have never been > completely arranged and > put into a finished history. > > > I'll look up the lady you mentioned. > > Sincerely, > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > San Jose, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - > Contact for you > > > Celia, > > If you have connections that early on in > Wilkes/Burke > with the Sizemore and Collins.The Sizemore-Collins > lines have connections to William " The Tory ' > Riddle > who was hung in Wilkes by Benjamin Cleveland. They > are reserching these > lines on the Melungeon board. Find Joanne/Joanne > Pezzullo on the board and > post to her. She should be able to help you > > Jodi > --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Dear Jo Ann; > > > > I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, > > Kentucky. Do you have the > > contact info of the lady who has done all the > > research? I saw the "Wall > > Street Journal" article and some links from that > > discussed part of the > > family being Cherokee and part being something > else. > > Part of the discussion > > centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall > > correctly off the top of my > > head without digging through three rather thick > > files on my Collins which > > had intermarried with the Sizemores. > > > > Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina > > genealogy, if there's > > anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, > > particularly on the descendants > > of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and > > then Wilkes by 1796, I'd > > like to know that also. I'm going more than a > > little bonkers trying to > > identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my > > William Dale/Daly (has > > been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North > > Carolina. I figured with > > the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was > > connected to the Walkers of > > Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to > > start looking. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM > > To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent > of > > the Native people to > > JoAnn > > > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he > wants. > > He > > makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to > > and > > insulted is a descendant of the native people of > VA. > > She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. > She > > has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all > > the > > Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a > VA > > tribe and he had no right to speak to her or > anyone > > else that way on this or any board. Yes this is > > about > > genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude > > comments and attacked someone for no reason. > > Comments > > like his don't belong in the forum. > > > > Jodi > > --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Dear Jo Ann and group; I have Andrew Collins b. 1811 Clay County, KY married to Elizabeth Ann Sizemore b. 1815 in Clay County, KY. Just before 1840 they went to Missouri. Andrew was the oldest son of Bradley Collins of Orange Co., NC and elsewhere in North Carolina b. 1787 and who married as his 2ND wife, Jane Ray in Orange Co., NC in 1817. Bradley was first married in 1807/8 and had as his oldest daughter, Keziah Collins, b. 1809. He had some half brothers and sisters who were mulatto but he himself was always listed as white, though there is some indication he may have been part (like only about a quarter) Native American. Andrew Collins (son of Bradley) and his sons were mostly blonde and blue-eyed. NOTE: My Bradley Collins is NOT the same Bradley Collins that Brenda Dillon has been chasing around in the records. Brenda Dillon Collins' has a different Bradley Collins who WAS listed as mixed race--half black and Native American or so in combination with white. The Collins of Floyd County--and then later some in Clay were not the Collins who were in North Carolina. The Floyd County Collins are mostly connected to Montgomery County, Virginia and elsewhere. The connections to Virginia are pretty well documented. There is also no evidence that the Bradley Collins who married Jane Ray in 1817 and from his first marriage had Keziah, Andrew and ???(at least two other children) was the son of Meredith Collins. Since I don't know who the parents of Elizabeth Ann ("Betsy") Sizemore were, I don't know if she connects with the infamous Mr. Riddle. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I have one other infamous Tory line among dozens of patriots also, so it's hard to be greatly surprised at this point. ;-) I also am chasing down a Lemar family--half of which, along with half of my Landrums/Lendrums went to Oklahoma on the "Trail of Tears." I suspect my Lemar ancestor was a full brother of the one who went to Oklahoma and made a devil's bargain to keep his property in Tennessee by renouncing tribal affiliation. The Lemars have a problem in proving identity since they were also French Huguenot in addition to allegedly being part Native American. The dark hair and eyes could have come from either. ;-) Then there is the Arnold family... I'm down to finding the last three or four generations max on all my mother's lines after 40 years of research. I'm trying to finish writing a family history at least back to the point of European immigration (for those who came from Europe in the past 400 years) before the end of my own life. I don't want to become another Lyman Draper, driving my nieces and nephews nuts with boxes of files, etc. that have never been completely arranged and put into a finished history. I'll look up the lady you mentioned. Sincerely, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker San Jose, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - Contact for you Celia, If you have connections that early on in Wilkes/Burke with the Sizemore and Collins.The Sizemore-Collins lines have connections to William " The Tory ' Riddle who was hung in Wilkes by Benjamin Cleveland. They are reserching these lines on the Melungeon board. Find Joanne/Joanne Pezzullo on the board and post to her. She should be able to help you Jodi --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jo Ann; > > I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, > Kentucky. Do you have the > contact info of the lady who has done all the > research? I saw the "Wall > Street Journal" article and some links from that > discussed part of the > family being Cherokee and part being something else. > Part of the discussion > centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall > correctly off the top of my > head without digging through three rather thick > files on my Collins which > had intermarried with the Sizemores. > > Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina > genealogy, if there's > anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, > particularly on the descendants > of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and > then Wilkes by 1796, I'd > like to know that also. I'm going more than a > little bonkers trying to > identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my > William Dale/Daly (has > been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North > Carolina. I figured with > the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was > connected to the Walkers of > Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to > start looking. > > Sincerely, > > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM > To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of > the Native people to > JoAnn > > > Jo Ann, > > It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. > He > makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to > and > insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. > She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She > has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all > the > Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA > tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone > else that way on this or any board. Yes this is > about > genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude > comments and attacked someone for no reason. > Comments > like his don't belong in the forum. > > Jodi > --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if > > that ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a > > descendent of the Native > > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. > > If he thinks there was a > > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to > > him. I did not say I > > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and > > your) messages, and all > > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of > > the Cherokee Nation. I > > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > > fighting the Indian Wars > > all over again. > > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the > two > > of you, by throwing in > > a bit of humor. > > Jo Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the > > Native people to Jo Ann > > > > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native > > people > > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive > when > > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake > Chief. > > His > > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. > > There > > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the > tribes themselves. There > > > are many people who are out > > there > > > that pretend to be Indian. 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Thanks. Lots of Lost Riddles! :) Have a great Sabbath day. Susie **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Thank you so very much! This is what true genealogy is all about, friends helping friends! :) Susie Pollock **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Which email is Joanne? Thank you. Susie **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Wow...what a weekend for genealogy on this line... :) Now, my database has me stumped on several lines and you have mentioned two surnames that I am totally blocked on. My maiden name was Riddle and I do not know yet if my Riddle ancestors were related to the Tory, but my John Riddle (b. early 1800's) was living in Owen Co., KY and was married to Martha Cammack, dau. of Beverly Cammack. Do you have any info on that couple? Then the other is the Collins and the info you contain on the Melungeon line, but this is my husband's family, not mine. So you see when I read this email, it caught my eye greatly. I have worked on genealogy for over 25 years and have been stumped on it all this time. Also, speaking of Cherokee, my 3rd great grandmother was Margaret (Peggy) NELSON Lee, b. 1805. She was married to Jesse Lee of the VA Lee's. The picture I have of her is when she was very old. My mother and her family say she looks Indian but I have nothing to prove that. Since she was born in SC and marred Jesse when they lived in the Overton Co., TN area, I have nothing to prove one way or another. Jesse was thought to be the orphaned son of John and Mary Lee who came from Washington Co., VA of which he was born. So you see, in such close proximity to the NC area. I checked in Cherokee, NC on a trip and found some Nelsons who were Cherokee but nothing on a Margaret Nelson. Hope someone can relate to me on this one. Susie M. Riddle Lee **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Where were your Collins family from? My husband's family were from Eastern TN (Anderson Co.) and they have darker skin (somewhat like Indian) and are thought to be Melungeon, but no proof on that. Please email me back at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Thank you. Susie Pollock **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I forgot to mention that female lines will be more likely to turn up with Indian DNA than male lines. More European males married Indian women than Indian males married European women. If you were told your father's father was Indian it would be more likely that this grandfather was Indian through his mother's side rather than his father's side. Call it luck if you come up with a male line that turns up Indian and I have seen a few people get lucky! It is best to test your female lines before the male lines if you are specifically looking to locate an Indian Ancestor. Y-DNA is mainly tested for Surname matches along with ethnicity ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Yes, many unanswered Riddles especially all the ones named John! You have a great day too! Jodi --- [email protected] wrote: > Thanks. Lots of Lost Riddles! :) > > Have a great Sabbath day. > > Susie > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Susie, You are very Welcome and I hope you find better luck in your Riddle line than I have found with mine!!Mine wont leave Wilkes and is also named John! Jodi --- [email protected] wrote: > Thank you so very much! > > This is what true genealogy is all about, friends > helping friends! :) > > Susie Pollock > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Last I remeber her email is [email protected] if that doesn't work you will find her posting as Joanne or with her full name of Joanne Pezzullo on the Melungeon Board at both Rootsweb and Genforum ( which is also free to sign up ) Those families are affiliated with William " The Tory" Riddle. Joanne may be able to help you place your Riddle in that line. --- [email protected] wrote: > Which email is Joanne? > Thank you. > Susie > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Susie, Find Joanne Pezzullo also posts as Joanne on the Melungeon board. She knows your Collins families from KY and TN realy well. The Collins family have been DNA tested and come up African and White ( i don't know if they have come up Indian too ) but were hanging out with Indians so that group has come up with evry kind of DNA possible. Jodi --- [email protected] wrote: > Where were your Collins family from? My husband's > family were from Eastern > TN (Anderson Co.) and they have darker skin > (somewhat like Indian) and are > thought to be Melungeon, but no proof on that. > Please email me back at > [email protected]_ > (mailto:[email protected]) > Thank you. > > Susie Pollock > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Like I posted before. If your DNA should turn up Indian, it will not prove what tribe you ancestor came from only that you have an Indian ancestor. Many people who have been known to have certain surnames to be affiliated with Indians or African, their DNA usually will not match a true surname being that the free or enslaves Indians, free or enslaved Africans did not have surnames before the Euopeans. You might have a lot of people connected to the same surname in your own families but DNA may all come up different. This is what has happened with the Sizemore and Collins families of Wilkes( I am giving this as an example ) Many bastardy bonds in your families is another sign of possible Indian ancestry and also could be a reason for your DNA not matching your known ancestors surname. In many Indian tribes the baby follows the mother ( Belonging to mother's clan ) not the father so a child would be given the mothers surname not father's surname. If your ancestor's DNA matches their surname ( with other people's DNA being tested in the same line and all match )and turns up with European DNA then that direct line would not be Indian. The Y-DNA follows father to Father to Father. Mt-DNA, mother to mother to mother. Direct line Example: lets say your Father's mother was stated to be Indian. You would need to find someone in her direct female unboken line to MT-DNA test. Your father would cary his mother's MT-DNA but he will not pass that on to you. Males do not pass donwn MT-DNA. You then from your father and mother, you would carry your mother's MT-DNA. Same goes with the Y-DNA, you would need a direct male from the line you believe is Indian to test. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Jo Ann, Quite the contrary. You carry your mother's mtDNA, she carries her mother's mtDNA, and so on. Read all about it on the FTDNA site, below... http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html#mtDNA Mitochondria - mtDNA Tests mtDNA: tests the mtDNA of females and the female lineage of males for HVR1 (16001 to 16569). Results are placed in our mtDNA database and when 2 people show the same identical polymorphism, we will inform both parties if you have both signed the FTDNA Release Form. The customer receives a report generally describing mtDNA, the meaning of polymorphism, your differences from the Cambridge Reference Sequence and the meaning of probability between matches. Ethnic and Geographic Origins - "Eve's Daughters": this test also allows you to identify your ethnic and geographic origins, both recent and far distant, on your direct maternal line. Among other features, this test will be able to indicate your Native-American Ancestry and which of the 5 major groups that settled in the Americas you are most likely to be descended from. Or, it will point to African Ancestry or other ethnic origins, known as the branches related to "Eve's Daughters". Note that since we are testing only your maternal line, the results will not have input from any spouses along the way. r/Steven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jo Ann Whitworth" <[email protected]> > Thanks, Steven, I would love to be able to prove descendent, but I am from > the female line, and my understanding is that only males in the line can > take the DNA, is that correct or am I mistaken? > > Thanks for your sweet note, Cindy. I think we should all just be "Indians" > and let the "Chiefs" fight it out themselves, regardless of what race or > nation they come from. I am a proven descendent of a pure-dee Moonshiner, > but if someone emails the board claiming to be Al C.(the Chicago gangster), > I am not going to get uptight about it. :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:30 PM > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to > JoAnn > > > > one good way of proving american indian bloodlines is going to FTDNA and > > testing your Y-DNA and/or mtDNA....best option if you can't prove it on > > paper.... > > Steven > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Beam, Cindy L" > > > >> Jo Ann, > >> > >> I've been reading the posts, and I have to say you were doing a good job > >> of trying to defuse the tension. I, too, am supposed to be descended > >> from the Cherokee, according to family stories, and I have no proof of > >> that being a fact. Thank you for trying to "keep the peace". > >> > >> Cindy > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Ann Whitworth > >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:46 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of the Native people to > >> JoAnn > >> > >> Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if that > >> ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a descendent of the > >> Native people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. If he thinks > >> there was a Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to him. I > >> did not say I found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and your) > >> messages, and all this fuss about who is and who is not a member of the > >> Cherokee Nation. I thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > >> fighting the Indian Wars all over again. > >> Actually, I was trying to make peace between the two of you, by throwing > >> in a bit of humor. > >> Jo Ann > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jodi Friedman" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > >> Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to Jo > >> Ann > >> > >> > >> > Jo Ann, > >> > > >> > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native people > >> > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive when > >> > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake Chief. His > >> > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. There > >> > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > >> > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the tribes > >> > themselves. There are many people who are out there > >> > that pretend to be Indian. Why?????????????????? I am > >> > glad you find him amusing but the true native people > >> > do not! > >> > > >> > Jodi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> ____________ > >> > Never miss a thing. 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Celia, If you have connections that early on in Wilkes/Burke with the Sizemore and Collins.The Sizemore-Collins lines have connections to William " The Tory ' Riddle who was hung in Wilkes by Benjamin Cleveland. They are reserching these lines on the Melungeon board. Find Joanne/Joanne Pezzullo on the board and post to her. She should be able to help you Jodi --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jo Ann; > > I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, > Kentucky. Do you have the > contact info of the lady who has done all the > research? I saw the "Wall > Street Journal" article and some links from that > discussed part of the > family being Cherokee and part being something else. > Part of the discussion > centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall > correctly off the top of my > head without digging through three rather thick > files on my Collins which > had intermarried with the Sizemores. > > Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina > genealogy, if there's > anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, > particularly on the descendants > of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and > then Wilkes by 1796, I'd > like to know that also. I'm going more than a > little bonkers trying to > identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my > William Dale/Daly (has > been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North > Carolina. I figured with > the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was > connected to the Walkers of > Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to > start looking. > > Sincerely, > > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM > To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of > the Native people to > JoAnn > > > Jo Ann, > > It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. > He > makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to > and > insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. > She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She > has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all > the > Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA > tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone > else that way on this or any board. Yes this is > about > genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude > comments and attacked someone for no reason. > Comments > like his don't belong in the forum. > > Jodi > --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded > > Cherokee, so if that ever > > gets proven then I guess that would make me a a > > descendent of the Native > > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. > > If he thinks there was a > > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to > > him. I did not say I > > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and > > your) messages, and all > > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of > > the Cherokee Nation. I > > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > > fighting the Indian Wars > > all over again. > > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the > two > > of you, by throwing in > > a bit of humor. > > Jo Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the > > Native people to Jo Ann > > > > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native > > people > > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive > when > > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake > Chief. > > His > > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. > > There > > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the > tribes themselves. There > > > are many people who are out > > there > > > that pretend to be Indian. 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http://www.genpage.com/sizemoreDNA.html Sizemore link above to DNA and genealogy --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jo Ann; > > I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, > Kentucky. Do you have the > contact info of the lady who has done all the > research? I saw the "Wall > Street Journal" article and some links from that > discussed part of the > family being Cherokee and part being something else. > Part of the discussion > centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall > correctly off the top of my > head without digging through three rather thick > files on my Collins which > had intermarried with the Sizemores. > > Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina > genealogy, if there's > anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, > particularly on the descendants > of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and > then Wilkes by 1796, I'd > like to know that also. I'm going more than a > little bonkers trying to > identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my > William Dale/Daly (has > been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North > Carolina. I figured with > the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was > connected to the Walkers of > Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to > start looking. > > Sincerely, > > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM > To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of > the Native people to > JoAnn > > > Jo Ann, > > It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. > He > makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to > and > insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. > She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She > has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all > the > Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA > tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone > else that way on this or any board. Yes this is > about > genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude > comments and attacked someone for no reason. > Comments > like his don't belong in the forum. > > Jodi > --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded > > Cherokee, so if that ever > > gets proven then I guess that would make me a a > > descendent of the Native > > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. > > If he thinks there was a > > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to > > him. I did not say I > > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and > > your) messages, and all > > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of > > the Cherokee Nation. I > > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > > fighting the Indian Wars > > all over again. > > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the > two > > of you, by throwing in > > a bit of humor. > > Jo Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the > > Native people to Jo Ann > > > > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native > > people > > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive > when > > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake > Chief. > > His > > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. > > There > > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the > tribes themselves. There > > > are many people who are out > > there > > > that pretend to be Indian. 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Celia, The Sizemore's came from VA. If one of them married a Cherokee, that person could register with tribe under the ancestor who was Cherokee. No Sizemore surname ( comming from VA ) was accepted. Joy King ( who StandingBear so rudely psted to ) is in charge of the Sizemore DNA project at Family Tree DNA. She is the one who has put the Sizemore DNA together to prove that they were Indian. I believe she has descendats of George " All " Sizemore and John Sizemore of the Wilkes/Ashe area as being Indian. This is off the top of my head. You would have to contact Joy and she would be able to give you more info on your Sizemore line. Jodi --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Jo Ann; > > I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, > Kentucky. Do you have the > contact info of the lady who has done all the > research? I saw the "Wall > Street Journal" article and some links from that > discussed part of the > family being Cherokee and part being something else. > Part of the discussion > centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall > correctly off the top of my > head without digging through three rather thick > files on my Collins which > had intermarried with the Sizemores. > > Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina > genealogy, if there's > anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, > particularly on the descendants > of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and > then Wilkes by 1796, I'd > like to know that also. I'm going more than a > little bonkers trying to > identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my > William Dale/Daly (has > been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North > Carolina. I figured with > the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was > connected to the Walkers of > Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to > start looking. > > Sincerely, > > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM > To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of > the Native people to > JoAnn > > > Jo Ann, > > It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. > He > makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to > and > insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. > She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She > has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all > the > Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA > tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone > else that way on this or any board. Yes this is > about > genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude > comments and attacked someone for no reason. > Comments > like his don't belong in the forum. > > Jodi > --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded > > Cherokee, so if that ever > > gets proven then I guess that would make me a a > > descendent of the Native > > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. > > If he thinks there was a > > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to > > him. I did not say I > > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and > > your) messages, and all > > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of > > the Cherokee Nation. I > > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > > fighting the Indian Wars > > all over again. > > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the > two > > of you, by throwing in > > a bit of humor. > > Jo Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the > > Native people to Jo Ann > > > > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native > > people > > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive > when > > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake > Chief. > > His > > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. > > There > > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the > tribes themselves. There > > > are many people who are out > > there > > > that pretend to be Indian. 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one good way of proving american indian bloodlines is going to FTDNA and testing your Y-DNA and/or mtDNA....best option if you can't prove it on paper.... Steven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Beam, Cindy L" <[email protected]> > Jo Ann, > > I've been reading the posts, and I have to say you were doing a good job > of trying to defuse the tension. I, too, am supposed to be descended > from the Cherokee, according to family stories, and I have no proof of > that being a fact. Thank you for trying to "keep the peace". > > Cindy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Ann Whitworth > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of the Native people to > JoAnn > > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if that > ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a descendent of the > Native people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. If he thinks > there was a Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to him. I > did not say I found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and your) > messages, and all this fuss about who is and who is not a member of the > Cherokee Nation. I thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not > fighting the Indian Wars all over again. > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the two of you, by throwing > in a bit of humor. > Jo Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jodi Friedman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to Jo > Ann > > > > Jo Ann, > > > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native people > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive when > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake Chief. His > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. There > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the tribes > > themselves. There are many people who are out there > > that pretend to be Indian. Why?????????????????? I am > > glad you find him amusing but the true native people > > do not! > > > > Jodi > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

He is not proven to be of the indigenous people and he is not of the Cherokee Nation and calling someone a Fruit Cake and things like Shut your Trap ( if you had bothered to read the post )He has called her worse in the past.If he called you that I don't think you would think it was venting! If he posted those messages on the Cherokee board I can tell you the true tribal members would have had him permanently kicked off Rootsweb/Ancestry. Especially making up a Fake Chief and telling people he is carded! All the person he attacked did was post genealogy! Isn't that what this board is for.Let him go get his own My Space if he wants to vent !! Back to Genealogy! To the peson who posted Sizemore and Cherokee. Call the Cherokee Nations your self. NO Sizemore claim was accepted in any of their tribes! Geanalogy and DNA- DNA doesn't and will not prove tribe should your DNA come up Indian. Many people come up with family stories of their family being Cherokee. There were many tribes in the surrounding area of Wilkes and in NC for that matter. All these tribes blended in together because of European settlers and removal. There are many sources on the web for Indian history in our area. Even for the VA tribes that got pushed our way. The tribes will get mad, especially the Cherokee if you claim your decscendants are of their tribe without paper record to prove it. Many back when claimed Cherokee but were denied. Many because they were not Indian ( free money and land ). Some because they may have been Indian but did not belong to the Cherokee tribe ( there are many tribes that did not get acknowledged by the government so some may have tried to apply to the Cherokee ). The other reason, if your ancestor was not living with the tribe at the time of enrollment and lived in " White Society " the Cherokee Nation decided that your ancestor was no longer entitled to be a trible member or it's benefits. Your ancestor was now considered " White". I have 2 people that I can prove have affiliations with the Cherokee ( both are enrolled members ) that are connected to my family, does this prove that my direct family was Cherokee, NO! Like I posted before. I can prove my Rio Grande heritage but not Cherokee. Jodi PS: Thank you Ms. Smith I have a few other people that agree with you.Thanks!!! --- Lorraine & Kevin McCann <[email protected]> wrote: > G'day, > > I also feel he is venting. Unfortunately there is so > much anger. > Being vented of all indigenous people of the world, > and rightfully > so. As they have all been treated unfairly. > Maybe, America could do what we have just done in > Australia and say > "SORRY" for all the wrong doings, by our ancestors. > For us here, it was to say sorry for what we call > 'The Stolen > Generation.' Indigenous people that were removed > from their families, > because they were of mixed race. > "Thank you Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, for making > this possible". It > has made me a very proud Australian, just to say, > "SORRY"! > I know there is still going to be a lot of hurt and > distrust; however > I hope the indigenous people of Australia, will > start to heal from > this action. > > Joshing is a term loosely used here in Australia, > for taking the > mickey out of people. However this is rather a > sensitive issue. So it > surprises me, he is using it, as he is defaming his > native ancestry. > > Lorraine McCann > Adelaide, South Australia. > > > > On 17/02/2008, at 1:35 AM, Jo Ann Whitworth wrote: > > Runningbear has been leaving Chicken messages??????? > No wonder I am > amused > when I read his posted messages. > > Sorry, Jodi, couldn't resist the "very fowl" in your > message. :) > He's not > doing any harm. Let him vent, I would want to vent, > too, if I was > Native > American, due to the way Whites have treated the > Indian. Although I do > admit that this board is not the right vehicle for > venting. > Hopefully once > he gets rid of all that anger, he will become a good > Genealogist and a > credit to his race. And Standing Bear, the > Cherokees were a great > Race/Tribe and when the Lord restores them to their > rightful place, > I'll be > standing on the sidelines cheering them one and all. > Jo Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:23 AM > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] Heads up to all on this > board > > > > It seems there is a certain poster by the name of > Josh > > Standing Bear that has been leaving very fowl > > messages. > > Per the Cherokee Nations there is no Chief Running > > Bear in their tribes. He also posts under Talks to > > Animals. 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Jo Ann, I've been reading the posts, and I have to say you were doing a good job of trying to defuse the tension. I, too, am supposed to be descended from the Cherokee, according to family stories, and I have no proof of that being a fact. Thank you for trying to "keep the peace". Cindy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Ann Whitworth Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of the Native people to JoAnn Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if that ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a descendent of the Native people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. If he thinks there was a Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to him. I did not say I found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and your) messages, and all this fuss about who is and who is not a member of the Cherokee Nation. I thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not fighting the Indian Wars all over again. Actually, I was trying to make peace between the two of you, by throwing in a bit of humor. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to Jo Ann > Jo Ann, > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native people > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive when > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake Chief. His > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. There > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the tribes > themselves. There are many people who are out there > that pretend to be Indian. Why?????????????????? I am > glad you find him amusing but the true native people > do not! > > Jodi > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message