This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Melv25 Surnames: Lowe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.wilkes/3921.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: my 3rd great grandmother Marry Riddle after divorcing my 3rd great ganfather William Hubbard Tedder in 1900 Wilkes, was said to have run off with a James Lowe. If any one knows the whereabouts of James Lowe and Mary Riddle b. 1848, please let me know. I cant find Mary after 1900 Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nlowe142 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.wilkes/3921.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My father was David C. Lowe. I knew a Herman Lowe that used to work at Myrtle Beach and called him Uncle although I think he was my dad's cousin. Me and a couple of UNC football players spent the night with Herman in MB back around 1955-1958. Keep me posted. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Lowes were in the Pores Knob area--Lowe Creek (off 16 South). Caleb Lowe was one name, ancestor of the Lowe who started Lowes Hardware, and others. He married twice, was supposed to have been part Cherokee. He was my great-great grandfather through. Also Lowes in Surry County. There's some info in the WIlkes Heritage books. I have scattered bits in my research notes but haven't brought it all together yet. > From: Lenny Caudill <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:23:06 -0500 > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Ancestor information > > I know a Lowe in Wilkes. There were a few different Lowe families if I'm > not mistaken. I don't study this family just passing along what little I've > been told. > Lowes Hardware clan. > Lowes Food Clan. > Some Lowes that were loggers (Perry Lowe and brothers). > Maybe a couple others. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Ancestor information > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: cindylowedowning > Surnames: Lowe > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.count > ies.wilkes/3921.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My father is Carl Alexander Lowe of Wilkes County NC.Just thought I would > respond since it is the same name. He is the son of William Herman Lowe. I > am trying to find info on Ancestors also. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Caleb LOWES first wife Lydia BROWN does any one know who her parents were? They had children John Violet L- Mrs Bentley Margaret S - Mrs Bobbit Barbara L-Mrs Davis --------- Caleb second wife Mary JOINES Francis LOWE married Angie HUBBARD Payton LOWE married Elizbeth REESE Elvira LOWE Ashley LOWE Almedia- Mrs Brock Hettie -Mrs Wallace ---- Francis LOWE married Angie HUBBARD children Dewey LOWE married Lula JENKINS Chester LOWE married Ruby SMITHEY Lilly LOWE married Code FRAZIER one son Edgar LOWE Annie LOWE married Isaac BROCKone son VAUGHN LOWE ------ Payton LOWE and Elizabeth REESE children Willie LOWE died young Mae married Mack BROYHILL two children Homer BROYHILL and Ruth BROYHILL Paerks LOWE married Ruby KILBY children Blanche and Betty LOWE married a BENGE --- Hettie LOWE married Jones WALLACE children Coleman WALLACE Alma WALLACE James (Buster) WALLACE Gaye WALLACE married Spurgen LOWE son of Jimmy and Laura LOWE they had children Dorothy LOWE Mary LOWE Richard LOWE married Annie WILES sons James,Roy, Roger and Randy Nell LOWE Ethel LOWE Bertha LOWE Bill LOWE Sam LOWE Shirley LOWE married Eugene CANNON daughter Sharon -Mrs Martin GRIFFIN- son Shane GRIFFIN Henry LOWE married Zollie LaRue had children Helen LOWE -Mrs FAW Gary LOWE Robert (Bob) WALLACE married Della DAVIS children Mary Lee WALLACE, Margaret Ann WALLACE, Dean WALLACE -------------- a different LOWE Tilford LOWE and Sopheronie TRITT ------------ another LOWE Martin LOWE children with first wife C. A. (BUD) LOWE married Ollie Lurther LOWE Lucy L LOWE-Mrs HUBBARD Martin LOWE second marriage son Jimmy LOWE and Martha L WILES ---- another LOWE Elkannah (Caney) LOWE married Nancy SMITH children Mack LOWE married Lizzy DAVIS Ethel LOWE married Burtle BROYHILL Gay LOWE married Monroe BLEUNIS Glen LOWE Clayton LOWE died young Perry LOWE married Mary REAVIS children of Perry LOWE Clyde, Perry Jr., Caney Len and Mary Jo -Mrs LOVETTE Perry Jr LOWE and wife Shirley son Ty (Perry 3rd). From OLD TIMES AROUND PORES KNOB by Pores Knob Extenson Homemakers Club 1984-1985 Jeanie --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cindylowedowning Surnames: Lowe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.wilkes/3921.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My father is Carl Alexander Lowe of Wilkes County NC.Just thought I would respond since it is the same name. He is the son of William Herman Lowe. I am trying to find info on Ancestors also. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I know a Lowe in Wilkes. There were a few different Lowe families if I'm not mistaken. I don't study this family just passing along what little I've been told. Lowes Hardware clan. Lowes Food Clan. Some Lowes that were loggers (Perry Lowe and brothers). Maybe a couple others. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] Ancestor information This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cindylowedowning Surnames: Lowe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.count ies.wilkes/3921.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My father is Carl Alexander Lowe of Wilkes County NC.Just thought I would respond since it is the same name. He is the son of William Herman Lowe. I am trying to find info on Ancestors also. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DarleneBell44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.wilkes/2714.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How do I get to your web page. If I type Johnson and Wilkes County, NC up pops a bunch of Johnson's. Which would be yours? Is there a certain given name and birthdate that would be able to zero in on your page? I have 2 lines of Johnson's. 1. Abraham 2. Levi Johnson and haven't been able to connect them. Thank you Darlene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LHermo11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.wilkes/791.1444.1447.1446.2134.2139/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is an OLD post, but hoping you're still connected. I am of the same Gibson/Delila as you......along with the Lafford French connection. Would love to hear any and all info you have. Hoping you see this! Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hey, me, too! Actually, I have no documented proof of moonshiners, either, but I'm sure they were there! Cindy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Ann Whitworth Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM]Re: From a descendent of the Native people toJoAnn Thanks, Steven, I would love to be able to prove descendent, but I am from the female line, and my understanding is that only males in the line can take the DNA, is that correct or am I mistaken? Thanks for your sweet note, Cindy. I think we should all just be "Indians" and let the "Chiefs" fight it out themselves, regardless of what race or nation they come from. I am a proven descendent of a pure-dee Moonshiner, but if someone emails the board claiming to be Al C.(the Chicago gangster), I am not going to get uptight about it. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to JoAnn > one good way of proving american indian bloodlines is going to FTDNA > and testing your Y-DNA and/or mtDNA....best option if you can't prove > it on paper.... > Steven > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Beam, Cindy L" <[email protected]> > >> Jo Ann, >> >> I've been reading the posts, and I have to say you were doing a good >> job of trying to defuse the tension. I, too, am supposed to be >> descended from the Cherokee, according to family stories, and I have >> no proof of that being a fact. Thank you for trying to "keep the peace". >> >> Cindy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jo Ann Whitworth >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:46 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of the Native people >> to JoAnn >> >> Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if >> that ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a descendent >> of the Native people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. If he >> thinks there was a Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to >> him. I did not say I found him amusing, I said I was amused by his >> (and your) messages, and all this fuss about who is and who is not a >> member of the Cherokee Nation. I thought we were doing genealogy on >> this site, not fighting the Indian Wars all over again. >> Actually, I was trying to make peace between the two of you, by >> throwing in a bit of humor. >> Jo Ann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jodi Friedman" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM >> Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the Native people to >> Jo Ann >> >> >> > Jo Ann, >> > >> > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native people of the Rio >> > Grande and we do find it offensive when someone claims to be a >> > descendant of a Fake Chief. His ancestor was no Chief of the >> > Cherokee Nation. There was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or >> > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the tribes themselves. >> > There are many people who are out there that pretend to be Indian. >> > Why?????????????????? I am glad you find him amusing but the true >> > native people do not! >> > >> > Jodi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> ____________ >> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob - "Jr." was in the Old Pendleton District, right close to a John Gambrel (who also had a son William, born around the same time as Jr., c 1770.) However, John's son stayed in SC, married and died there. My William married Winnifred Elkins, who was a daughter of Shadrack Elkins, an army scout in NC. Here's a thought - would Winnifred have been eligible for bounty land? William and Winnifred had two children in SC, Henry, born 1798, and Miranda born 1800. About 1803 they left SC for Kentucky, and Shadrack Elkins and sons travelled with them. They settled in Muhlenberg county, KTY, until Indiana opened up, about 1812, and then they moved to Gibson County, Indiana. My William died there in 1829. If my William was eligible for bounty land in NC where his father had lived, could he have sold it, and then moved to SC? If he had to share what was left in the will, after his older brothers got most of the land, I can understand him leaving and making his own fortune. I have also read that a son who left a family quite often changed the spelling of his name a bit, to distinguish himself from his family. William who died in 1779 was William Gambill. The William who shows up in SC and then KTY is William Gambrel. Thanks for your help Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Jim, Your information is a bit confusing due to not including specific places and events, although I think that you're asking me about William Gambrel, Sr., who was KIA in 1779, and his son, William Gambrel, Jr., who was in S.C. by 1790 and married there in 1797, and 20 years old at some undefined time. First, S.C. bounty land was awarded to those who had performed Revolutionary service in S.C. (I use that definition instead of "fought" because some provided services other than soldering, i.e., providing provisions, etc.) If Jr. was in S.C. by 1790 and married in 1797, it sounds as if he was rather young during the war, or between 1776-1783, consequently was not a militiaman. If Sr. fought on S.C. soil, or provided services, his heirs could claim bounty land if he didn't. We now get into an "iffy" situation. You stated that Sr. had a will, leaving a legatee to all his children, including the daughters. That would eliminate the law of primogeniture, with which, in an intestate (no will), that the eldest son inherited all the land (except for the widow's dowery of 1/3). However, that law was abolished in S.C. on 19 February 1791. I'm sure you realize the complications with which I can't answer your question without more specific information. I have files full of those who were awarded S.C. bounty land, but they are not complete, and very few other are. Records seemed to vanish. For some reason, the Gambrel name rings a bell in my memory, but I just can't recall why. I have researched literally thousands of S.C. backcountry families for my writings. I assume that Jr. was in the S.C. Backcountry? Cordially, Bob Stevens jim gambrel <[email protected]> wrote: Bob - is there anything in this book about Bounty Land (given in SC) from the American Revolution? I am researching one William Gambrel, the son of one William Gambrill who died of war wounds in 1779 The son William was mentioned in his father's will, but there were several brothers ahead of him, so he was listed to share with his sisters whatever was left after the older sons got most of the land. There is no record of young William in NC, and I wondered if he was eligible for bounty land in SC, since a young William shows up in SC c 1790. He would have been about 20 years old, and married in 1797. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Bob, you will send a copy of this letter to the Wilkes County mailing list, won't you? I'm sure the people there would like to read it. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stevens Sent: Feb 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [RousseauCousins] test Addendum: This is my reply of yesterday to a Rousseau asking about the book: Thank you for the inquiry. I was not compiling a book on the Rousseau family, per se, but titled Lt. Col. Benjamin Herndon of Newberry County, South Carolina, A Revolutionary War Officer, subtitled A Study of his Antecedents, Descendants, and Relatives. The title may be a bit misleading because he served in the Revolution from Wilkes County, N.C., and didn't move to Newberry County, S.C., until about 1791. He descended from the Rousseaus and there is a section in the book on the Rousseau family. The book is complete. I sent it to the indexer in Massachusetts two days ago. After she finishes her indexing and I incorporate it into the book, it will go to the publisher who will have it printed and bound. I have given the book as a gift to The Chester District Genealogical Society, Richburg, S.C., who will publish and sell it. That society is a charitable organization using their funds for restoration. In other words, I get nothing from it. I'll try to remember to let you know when they have it on the market. If I should forget, email me again in about a month. Cordially, Bob WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Jim, Your information is a bit confusing due to not including specific places and events, although I think that you're asking me about William Gambrel, Sr., who was KIA in 1779, and his son, William Gambrel, Jr., who was in S.C. by 1790 and married there in 1797, and 20 years old at some undefined time. First, S.C. bounty land was awarded to those who had performed Revolutionary service in S.C. (I use that definition instead of "fought" because some provided services other than soldering, i.e., providing provisions, etc.) If Jr. was in S.C. by 1790 and married in 1797, it sounds as if he was rather young during the war, or between 1776-1783, consequently was not a militiaman. If Sr. fought on S.C. soil, or provided services, his heirs could claim bounty land if he didn't. We now get into an "iffy" situation. You stated that Sr. had a will, leaving a legatee to all his children, including the daughters. That would eliminate the law of primogeniture, with which, in an intestate (no will), that the eldest son inherited all the land (except for the widow's dowery of 1/3). However, that law was abolished in S.C. on 19 February 1791. I'm sure you realize the complications with which I can't answer your question without more specific information. I have files full of those who were awarded S.C. bounty land, but they are not complete, and very few other are. Records seemed to vanish. For some reason, the Gambrel name rings a bell in my memory, but I just can't recall why. I have researched literally thousands of S.C. backcountry families for my writings. I assume that Jr. was in the S.C. Backcountry? Cordially, Bob Stevens jim gambrel <[email protected]> wrote: Bob - is there anything in this book about Bounty Land (given in SC) from the American Revolution? I am researching one William Gambrel, the son of one William Gambrill who died of war wounds in 1779 The son William was mentioned in his father's will, but there were several brothers ahead of him, so he was listed to share with his sisters whatever was left after the older sons got most of the land. There is no record of young William in NC, and I wondered if he was eligible for bounty land in SC, since a young William shows up in SC c 1790. He would have been about 20 years old, and married in 1797. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Bob, you will send a copy of this letter to the Wilkes County mailing list, won't you? I'm sure the people there would like to read it. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stevens Sent: Feb 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [RousseauCousins] test Addendum: This is my reply of yesterday to a Rousseau asking about the book: Thank you for the inquiry. I was not compiling a book on the Rousseau family, per se, but titled Lt. Col. Benjamin Herndon of Newberry County, South Carolina, A Revolutionary War Officer, subtitled A Study of his Antecedents, Descendants, and Relatives. The title may be a bit misleading because he served in the Revolution from Wilkes County, N.C., and didn't move to Newberry County, S.C., until about 1791. He descended from the Rousseaus and there is a section in the book on the Rousseau family. The book is complete. I sent it to the indexer in Massachusetts two days ago. After she finishes her indexing and I incorporate it into the book, it will go to the publisher who will have it printed and bound. I have given the book as a gift to The Chester District Genealogical Society, Richburg, S.C., who will publish and sell it. That society is a charitable organization using their funds for restoration. In other words, I get nothing from it. I'll try to remember to let you know when they have it on the market. If I should forget, email me again in about a month. Cordially, Bob WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob - is there anything in this book about Bounty Land (given in SC) from the American Revolution? I am researching one William Gambrel, the son of one William Gambrill who died of war wounds in 1779 The son William was mentioned in his father's will, but there were several brothers ahead of him, so he was listed to share with his sisters whatever was left after the older sons got most of the land. There is no record of young William in NC, and I wondered if he was eligible for bounty land in SC, since a young William shows up in SC c 1790. He would have been about 20 years old, and married in 1797. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Bob, you will send a copy of this letter to the Wilkes County mailing list, won't you? I'm sure the people there would like to read it. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stevens Sent: Feb 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [RousseauCousins] test Addendum: This is my reply of yesterday to a Rousseau asking about the book: Thank you for the inquiry. I was not compiling a book on the Rousseau family, per se, but titled Lt. Col. Benjamin Herndon of Newberry County, South Carolina, A Revolutionary War Officer, subtitled A Study of his Antecedents, Descendants, and Relatives. The title may be a bit misleading because he served in the Revolution from Wilkes County, N.C., and didn't move to Newberry County, S.C., until about 1791. He descended from the Rousseaus and there is a section in the book on the Rousseau family. The book is complete. I sent it to the indexer in Massachusetts two days ago. After she finishes her indexing and I incorporate it into the book, it will go to the publisher who will have it printed and bound. I have given the book as a gift to The Chester District Genealogical Society, Richburg, S.C., who will publish and sell it. That society is a charitable organization using their funds for restoration. In other words, I get nothing from it. I'll try to remember to let you know when they have it on the market. If I should forget, email me again in about a month. Cordially, Bob WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow, that would be close, especially for an 8 yr. old! Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > (Note: James B. Collins and his nephew were making moonshine at the time. > My > mother in law was a small girl (age 8) and was standing between the two > when > the shot was fired.)

I think we all worry about what will happen to our research when we're gone. I have extracted a promise from my four children that they won't throw it away. God only know what they will do with it. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Becker" <[email protected]> I'm trying to finish writing a > family history at least back to the point of European immigration (for those > who came from Europe in the past 400 years) before the end of my own life. > I don't want to become another Lyman Draper, driving my nieces and nephews > nuts with boxes of files, etc. that have never been completely arranged > and > put into a finished history.

OK...........here goes: James Bates Collins, age 49, of Scarborough, Anderson County, TN, was killed by his nephew, Levi Collins. An argument broke out between the two with the elderly Collins being shot. There had been moonshine involved. Other relatives were in close proximity when the shooting occurred. Levi was found guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to prison. James B. Collins is buried by the Y-12 building of the Oak Ridge power plant. (Note: James B. Collins and his nephew were making moonshine at the time. My mother in law was a small girl (age 8) and was standing between the two when the shot was fired.) NOW...that is MY moonshine story (of course...........that is on my HUSBAND"S family side! Hope you all enjoyed it. These are possibly the Melungeon side of the family. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Jim, Your information is a bit confusing due to not including specific places and events, although I think that you're asking me about William Gambrel, Sr., who was KIA in 1779, and his son, William Gambrel, Jr., who was in S.C. by 1790 and married there in 1797, and 20 years old at some undefined time. First, S.C. bounty land was awarded to those who had performed Revolutionary service in S.C. (I use that definition instead of "fought" because some provided services other than soldering, i.e., providing provisions, etc.) If Jr. was in S.C. by 1790 and married in 1797, it sounds as if he was rather young during the war, or between 1776-1783, consequently was not a militiaman. If Sr. fought on S.C. soil, or provided services, his heirs could claim bounty land if he didn't. We now get into an "iffy" situation. You stated that Sr. had a will, leaving a legatee to all his children, including the daughters. That would eliminate the law of primogeniture, with which, in an intestate (no will), that the eldest son inherited all the land (except for the widow's dowery of 1/3). However, that law was abolished in S.C. on 19 February 1791. I'm sure you realize the complications with which I can't answer your question without more specific information. I have files full of those who were awarded S.C. bounty land, but they are not complete, and very few other are. Records seemed to vanish. For some reason, the Gambrel name rings a bell in my memory, but I just can't recall why. I have researched literally thousands of S.C. backcountry families for my writings. I assume that Jr. was in the S.C. Backcountry? Cordially, Bob Stevens jim gambrel <[email protected]> wrote: Bob - is there anything in this book about Bounty Land (given in SC) from the American Revolution? I am researching one William Gambrel, the son of one William Gambrill who died of war wounds in 1779 The son William was mentioned in his father's will, but there were several brothers ahead of him, so he was listed to share with his sisters whatever was left after the older sons got most of the land. There is no record of young William in NC, and I wondered if he was eligible for bounty land in SC, since a young William shows up in SC c 1790. He would have been about 20 years old, and married in 1797. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Stevens Sent: February 17, 2008 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NCWILKES] New Book About Wilkes County Bob, you will send a copy of this letter to the Wilkes County mailing list, won't you? I'm sure the people there would like to read it. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stevens Sent: Feb 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [RousseauCousins] test Addendum: This is my reply of yesterday to a Rousseau asking about the book: Thank you for the inquiry. I was not compiling a book on the Rousseau family, per se, but titled Lt. Col. Benjamin Herndon of Newberry County, South Carolina, A Revolutionary War Officer, subtitled A Study of his Antecedents, Descendants, and Relatives. The title may be a bit misleading because he served in the Revolution from Wilkes County, N.C., and didn't move to Newberry County, S.C., until about 1791. He descended from the Rousseaus and there is a section in the book on the Rousseau family. The book is complete. I sent it to the indexer in Massachusetts two days ago. After she finishes her indexing and I incorporate it into the book, it will go to the publisher who will have it printed and bound. I have given the book as a gift to The Chester District Genealogical Society, Richburg, S.C., who will publish and sell it. That society is a charitable organization using their funds for restoration. In other words, I get nothing from it. I'll try to remember to let you know when they have it on the market. If I should forget, email me again in about a month. Cordially, Bob WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY

G'day, I also feel he is venting. Unfortunately there is so much anger. Being vented of all indigenous people of the world, and rightfully so. As they have all been treated unfairly. Maybe, America could do what we have just done in Australia and say "SORRY" for all the wrong doings, by our ancestors. For us here, it was to say sorry for what we call 'The Stolen Generation.' Indigenous people that were removed from their families, because they were of mixed race. "Thank you Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, for making this possible". It has made me a very proud Australian, just to say, "SORRY"! I know there is still going to be a lot of hurt and distrust; however I hope the indigenous people of Australia, will start to heal from this action. Joshing is a term loosely used here in Australia, for taking the mickey out of people. However this is rather a sensitive issue. So it surprises me, he is using it, as he is defaming his native ancestry. Lorraine McCann Adelaide, South Australia. On 17/02/2008, at 1:35 AM, Jo Ann Whitworth wrote: Runningbear has been leaving Chicken messages??????? No wonder I am amused when I read his posted messages. Sorry, Jodi, couldn't resist the "very fowl" in your message. :) He's not doing any harm. Let him vent, I would want to vent, too, if I was Native American, due to the way Whites have treated the Indian. Although I do admit that this board is not the right vehicle for venting. Hopefully once he gets rid of all that anger, he will become a good Genealogist and a credit to his race. And Standing Bear, the Cherokees were a great Race/Tribe and when the Lord restores them to their rightful place, I'll be standing on the sidelines cheering them one and all. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:23 AM Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] Heads up to all on this board > It seems there is a certain poster by the name of Josh > Standing Bear that has been leaving very fowl > messages. > Per the Cherokee Nations there is no Chief Running > Bear in their tribes. He also posts under Talks to > Animals. Report him if he continues to make > problems.Keep our boards safe This appears to be his > web http://the-bears-den.net/default.aspx > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWILKES- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susie, there are Riddles in Stoddard County, MO. In fact, I have an old postcard sent to the Riddle Lumber and Hardware in Dexter, Missouri, which I think is around 50 years old. I am sorry, I do not know where those Riddles came from before moving to Stoddard County. Just wondering if they could be one of your lost Riddles. Hope you find them. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NCWILKES] Collins DNA and your TN ancestors -Susie > Thanks. Lots of Lost Riddles! :) > > Have a great Sabbath day. > > Susie > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Celia, you probably meant your message for the Joanne that Jodi told you about since I do not have any Sizemore's in my line that I know of. My line is Holt that came from Wilkes, NC. I believe you mentioned you were searching for some Walkers who moved into Missouri? Would one of those be a Harry or Henry Walker? That is not my line but I purchased (correction, I was going to purchase, but the lady at the yard sale said "just take it") an old falling-apart and dirty Bible (looked like it had been stored in a barn) several years ago and there was an obit in it for a Margaret Walker who seems to have lived in Bollinger County, Missouri. Her father was Harry or Henry Walker. I seem to recall that he came from VA or SC. I have no Walker in my line, I was just hoping to help someone with their genealogy, but no one was interested in the Bible so I throw it away, but may have saved the obits (there were two, for two different people). Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Becker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - Contact for you > Dear Jo Ann and group; > > I have Andrew Collins b. 1811 Clay County, KY married to Elizabeth Ann > Sizemore b. 1815 in Clay County, KY. Just before 1840 they went to > Missouri. > > Andrew was the oldest son of Bradley Collins of Orange Co., NC and > elsewhere > in North Carolina b. 1787 and who married as his 2ND wife, Jane Ray in > Orange Co., NC in 1817. Bradley was first married in 1807/8 and had as > his > oldest daughter, Keziah Collins, b. 1809. He had some half brothers and > sisters who were mulatto but he himself was always listed as white, though > there is some indication he may have been part (like only about a quarter) > Native American. Andrew Collins (son of Bradley) and his sons were mostly > blonde and blue-eyed. > > NOTE: My Bradley Collins is NOT the same Bradley Collins that Brenda > Dillon > has been chasing around in the records. Brenda Dillon Collins' has a > different Bradley Collins who WAS listed as mixed race--half black and > Native American or so in combination with white. The Collins of Floyd > County--and then later some in Clay were not the Collins who were in North > Carolina. The Floyd County Collins are mostly connected to Montgomery > County, Virginia and elsewhere. The connections to Virginia are pretty > well > documented. > > There is also no evidence that the Bradley Collins who married Jane Ray in > 1817 and from his first marriage had Keziah, Andrew and ???(at least two > other children) was the son of Meredith Collins. > > Since I don't know who the parents of Elizabeth Ann ("Betsy") Sizemore > were, > I don't know if she connects with the infamous Mr. Riddle. I wouldn't be > surprised either way. I have one other infamous Tory line among dozens of > patriots also, so it's hard to be greatly surprised at this point. ;-) > > I also am chasing down a Lemar family--half of which, along with half of > my > Landrums/Lendrums went to Oklahoma on the "Trail of Tears." I suspect my > Lemar ancestor was a full brother of the one who went to Oklahoma and made > a > devil's bargain to keep his property in Tennessee by renouncing tribal > affiliation. The Lemars have a problem in proving identity since they > were > also French Huguenot in addition to allegedly being part Native American. > The dark hair and eyes could have come from either. ;-) > > Then there is the Arnold family... > > I'm down to finding the last three or four generations max on all my > mother's lines after 40 years of research. I'm trying to finish writing a > family history at least back to the point of European immigration (for > those > who came from Europe in the past 400 years) before the end of my own life. > I don't want to become another Lyman Draper, driving my nieces and nephews > nuts with boxes of files, etc. that have never been completely arranged > and > put into a finished history. > > > I'll look up the lady you mentioned. > > Sincerely, > > Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker > San Jose, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] Collins - Sizemore - Contact for you > > > Celia, > > If you have connections that early on in Wilkes/Burke > with the Sizemore and Collins.The Sizemore-Collins > lines have connections to William " The Tory ' Riddle > who was hung in Wilkes by Benjamin Cleveland. They are reserching these > lines on the Melungeon board. Find Joanne/Joanne Pezzullo on the board and > post to her. She should be able to help you > > Jodi > --- Celia Becker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Jo Ann; >> >> I descend from the Sizemores out of Clay County, >> Kentucky. Do you have the >> contact info of the lady who has done all the >> research? I saw the "Wall >> Street Journal" article and some links from that >> discussed part of the >> family being Cherokee and part being something else. >> Part of the discussion >> centers around Red Bird Sizemore, if I recall >> correctly off the top of my >> head without digging through three rather thick >> files on my Collins which >> had intermarried with the Sizemores. >> >> Now getting back to Wilkes County North Carolina >> genealogy, if there's >> anyone in Wilkes' county working on Walkers, >> particularly on the descendants >> of Daly Walker who was in Burke County in 1778 and >> then Wilkes by 1796, I'd >> like to know that also. I'm going more than a >> little bonkers trying to >> identify the James Walker who was the FATHER of my >> William Dale/Daly (has >> been written both ways) Walker b. 1821-22 North >> Carolina. I figured with >> the middle name of Dale/Daly he probably was >> connected to the Walkers of >> Wilkes Co., or at least that was a good place to >> start looking. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Jodi Friedman >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:37 PM >> To: Jo Ann Whitworth; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NCWILKES] [SPAM] From a descendent of >> the Native people to >> JoAnn >> >> >> Jo Ann, >> >> It's not that. He can play a wanna-be all he wants. >> He >> makes himself look foolish. The woman he posted to >> and >> insulted is a descendant of the native people of VA. >> She has worked realy hard on Sizemore research. She >> has put dignity back in the Sizemore name from all >> the >> Cherokee claims. They were not Cherokee but of a VA >> tribe and he had no right to speak to her or anyone >> else that way on this or any board. Yes this is >> about >> genealogy but he didn't post genealogy only rude >> comments and attacked someone for no reason. >> Comments >> like his don't belong in the forum. >> >> Jodi >> --- Jo Ann Whitworth <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Jodi, my grandmother was said to be a full-blooded Cherokee, so if >> > that ever gets proven then I guess that would make me a a >> > descendent of the Native >> > people, too. But I still say, let the guy alone. >> > If he thinks there was a >> > Robert Arms, or a Chief RunningBear, more power to >> > him. I did not say I >> > found him amusing, I said I was amused by his (and >> > your) messages, and all >> > this fuss about who is and who is not a member of >> > the Cherokee Nation. I >> > thought we were doing genealogy on this site, not >> > fighting the Indian Wars >> > all over again. >> > Actually, I was trying to make peace between the >> two >> > of you, by throwing in >> > a bit of humor. >> > Jo Ann >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jodi Friedman" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:46 PM >> > Subject: [SPAM][NCWILKES] From a descendent of the >> > Native people to Jo Ann >> > >> > >> > > Jo Ann, >> > > >> > > I am a true and proven descendant of the Native >> > people >> > > of the Rio Grande and we do find it offensive >> when >> > > someone claims to be a descendant of a Fake >> Chief. >> > His >> > > ancestor was no Chief of the Cherokee Nation. >> > There >> > > was no Robert Arms or Chief RunningBear or >> > > StandingBear in any Cherokee Nation per the >> tribes themselves. There >> > > are many people who are out >> > there >> > > that pretend to be Indian. 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Bob, you will send a copy of this letter to the Wilkes County mailing list, won't you? I'm sure the people there would like to read it. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stevens Sent: Feb 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: [email protected] yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [RousseauCousins] test Addendum: This is my reply of yesterday to a Rousseau asking about the book: Thank you for the inquiry. I was not compiling a book on the Rousseau family, per se, but titled Lt. Col. Benjamin Herndon of Newberry County, South Carolina, A Revolutionary War Officer, subtitled A Study of his Antecedents, Descendants, and Relatives. The title may be a bit misleading because he served in the Revolution from Wilkes County, N.C., and didn't move to Newberry County, S.C., until about 1791. He descended from the Rousseaus and there is a section in the book on the Rousseau family. The book is complete. I sent it to the indexer in Massachusetts two days ago. After she finishes her indexing and I incorporate it into the book, it will go to the publisher who will have it printed and bound. I have given the book as a gift to The Chester District Genealogical Society, Richburg, S.C., who will publish and sell it. That society is a charitable organization using their funds for restoration. In other words, I get nothing from it. I'll try to remember to let you know when they have it on the market. If I should forget, email me again in about a month. Cordially, Bob WRITING SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY