Hi, Tom These are not for-sure relatives of my Church people. Have you been in touch with Warren H. Houck: whouck@skybest.com His Email address is several years old, so may not still be a working one. He also has Harrison Greer and others. Look for him on RootsWeb. I think that's where I found him. Additionally, Barbara Shirley Rogerson & Jacquelyn J. Sorby also have done extensive top quality research and they have information on RootsWeb. I have a whole collection of Martha Church gals, and am stuck as to finding the right one at the right time, at the right place, or even matching anything my mother told me years ago. I have pretty much put my North Carolina research to rest for a while, and I'm working on the North Dakota side of the family for now. Happy hunting. It's been fun chatting! R.A. in CA