The name game, where did that come from? Have you ever wondered how your given name was chosen? Why do we, for the most part, have middle names? For some it is as easy as looking back a generation and you will find a like named person. Was this the person for whom I was named? Maybe, maybe not. A good discussion of naming conventions can be found in Emily Croom's Unpuzzling Your Past, 2001. Naming patterns have been used throughout history. The one that most directly affects us in America is the one brought to the colonies from England and Wales during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (Croom, 37-38). Of course there were no rules concerning this practice, but it was adhered to by many. Many times a middle name may be a mother's maiden name, a practice to insure that her name was perpetuated in her new family. Here is the most common pattern. The first son was named after the father's father. The second son was named after the mother's father. The third son was named after the father. The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother. The first daughter was named after the mother's mother. The second daughter was named after the father's mother. The third daughter was named after the mother. The fourth daughter was named after the mother's eldest sister. The Ulster-Scots Society of America Immigrants From The North Of Ireland This is about a group of immigrants from the north of Ireland in the 18th Century who came to be known as the Scotch-Irish, which is a completely American term and very misleading--since very few of the people in this migration had any Irish blood at all. To understand who these people really were, a brief history lesson is needed. Over a period of several centuries, there was almost constant war between England and Scotland. The battles took place in the border counties of both countries and the people who lived there, whether English or Scottish, were living in a war zone. This made their lives quite different than anywhere else in the British Isles; they had much more in common with each other than with the rest of England or the rest of Scotland. The men were very warrior-like and often away at battle. They lived with constant economic oppression because soldiers trampled their crops, rustlers stole their livestock, taxes were high, and wages were low. The border kept changing; sometimes both countries claimed the border counties at once. Eventually, many of these went to the north of Ireland during the great Plantation period of the 17th century, settling in the province of Ulster. In the period between 1717 and 1775, these descendants of people from the English and Scottish Border lands (also known as “borderers”) came into the port at Philadelphia in great numbers. They came from the Ulster counties of Donegal, Derry, Down, Armagh, Antrim, and Tyrone.. A few native Irish came with them, but most of the people in this migration were of English or Scottish extraction who had been in Ireland at least four generations. When they arrived, their behavior, dress, and speech patterns were so very different from those people (mostly Quakers) already living in Pennsylvania that they were rejected, ridiculed, and called "Scotch-Irish"--a derogatory term used to be certain nobody would think they were English! The reason for this migration was much different than previous immigrants. The yearning for religious freedom was there, but for the most part it involved the pursuit of material betterment. They were not the poorest of the poor (those people didn't have enough money to migrate) but they were mostly from the economic lower class. They were farmers and semi-skilled craftsmen. They were of mixed religious backgrounds. The largest number were Presbyterian, but there were Anglicans and other Protestant Denominations represented as well. In spite of their poverty, they were a very proud people--and this was a source of further irritation to their neighbors. They settled in the "back- country" of Pennsylvania and, when the roads to the south began to open, they left and went down into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. They continued to follow this pattern of living in the "back country" for years, going first into the Carolinas, then into Tennessee and Kentucky, then further west to Missouri, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma (If this was the migratory pattern of your ancestors, they may have been Scotch-Irish). Family life was different for these immigrants from the north of Ireland . They lived mostly in nuclear families, but the extended family was much more extended than for most other people. The family extended out for 4 generations and connected one nuclear family to another and one generation to the next. This group was somewhat like a Highland clan. “Clans” tended to live and move together. This was the way in the borderlands of England and Scotland and it continued to be the way in the north of Ireland as well as in the back country of America. These descendants of “Borderers” had large families just like the Puritans. The age at marriage was much younger than in any of the groups of British immigrants. The average age for men was 21 and for women 19. Weddings were wild affairs, full of ritual, and costly. Sometimes brides were abducted, usually (but not always) willingly. First cousins often married to "keep it in the clan". There was a shortage of clergy in the back country and sometimes couples got tired of waiting. Premarital pregnancies were common. But they were not thought to be scandalous. They often made a joke of it! Family life was very different. Men were warriors and women were workers. For generations these men had to be warriors in the old countries of Scotland, England and Ireland. The pattern didn't change just because they migrated to America. The most important possessions for a man were his gun and his horse. In any society where the men go off to war, the women do much more heavy labor at home. This was true for these Scotch-Irish as well. In these families, the women labored in the fields right beside their husbands. Families were male dominant; women and children were supposed to obey. These families also had a strange mix of love and violence in their homes. And feuds between extended families sometimes occurred. They brought their Borderers child-naming practices with them. There was a pattern but they were the least likely group to follow it. The pattern in this male dominant society was for the two eldest sons to be named after their grandfathers and the third son after his father. They also used Biblical names (John the most common), Teutonic names (Richard or Robert the most common), names of Border saints, such as Andrew, Patrick, or David, Celtic names, such as Ewan/Owen, Barry, or Roy, names from other cultures, such as Ronald or Archibald, names of Scottish Kings, such as Alexander, Charles, or James, names of brave border warriors, such as Wallace, Bruce, Perry, or Howard, place names, such as Ross, Clyde, Carlisle, Tyne or Derry. Sometimes they made up names or feminized family names and gave them to their daughters (i.e. Hoyt=Hoyette). The most common names for girls were the same as in all 3 of the other groups of English immigrants--Mary, Elizabeth and Sarah. There were also some naming taboos: they did not use Scottish Highlander names, such as Douglas, Donald, Kenneth, Ian, or Stewart; they did not use Irish Gaelic names, such as Sean, Kathleen, Maureen, or Sheila. Child-rearing practices in the back country were very different. Scotch-Irish parents were highly indulgent and permissive. Socialization began at birth. Children, especially boys, were taught to exercise their wills. They doted on their male children, who were reared to have fierce pride, stubborn independence, and a warrior's courage. Girls were taught the domestic virtues of patience, industry, sacrifice, and devotion to others. Men shared in the care of their children from infancy. Corporal punishment was often used. SCOTTISH CUSTOMS FOR NAMING CHILDREN The Scots had a very highly developed system for naming their children. This involved using the paternal and maternal grandparents Christian names. The eldest son, after the paternal grandfather. The second son, after the maternal grandfather. The third son, after the father. The eldest daughter, after the paternal grandmother. The second daughter, after the maternal grandmother. The third daughter, after the mother. Any further children would be named after earlier ancestors, using both christian and family names, using the same patterns, but generally the naming patterns were less structured. This structure helps where the names of parents and grandparents are not known, and can help to piece together which generation belongs where. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 7:44 PM

The Importance of Given Names by Donna Przecha, July 1, 1998 In genealogy we usually concentrate on surnames since they are the most important way of identifying people who are related. A surname is usually inherited and, while it may be changed, some form of it is usually retained. Given names are more important than surnames in a way because they represent a voluntary choice by the parents or, sometimes, by an individual. A name is usually not given lightly. It represents thought and feelings and can be significant to the researcher. You will often see the same names used over and over again in families. While certain names are popular in different areas in different times in history, the repetition and word spellings could represent a pattern. Many cultures believe in honoring their elders and do so by naming children after them. Angus Baxter in "In Search of Your British and Irish Roots" describes a pattern that was popular in England in the 1700-1875 period: * The first son was named after the father's father * The second son was named after the mother's father * The third son was named after the father * The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother * The first daughter after the mother's mother * The second daughter after the father's mother * The third daughter after the mother * The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister If this pattern would result in a duplication of names — i.e., both grandfathers had the same name — then they would skip to the next one on the list. Similar patterns have been suggested for other nationalities. This could be a very helpful formula, but many genealogists warn against giving it too much credence. Given human nature, it would be very difficult to follow exactly. It would be pretty hard to convince a new mother of her first-born son to name him after a drunken, abusive father-in-law rather than her own beloved father who had just died. You will probably see names of parents and grandparents, siblings, aunts and uncles repeated, but not in any strict order. It is difficult to know whom a child called Ann or Mary was actually named after. While over half of the names in a family will probably appear to be repeats, there always seems to be a few totally different ones. A child might be named after a good friend or a popular hero of the times. Of the 12 names given to my grandparents' six children born between 1881 and 1896, I can identify the family namesake of 10. Of the other two, Urquhart is somehow associated with the family because an aunt's will mentions the Urquhart coat of arms and a bequest to a person with the middle name Urquhart. Frequency Even if the family did not follow this strict pattern, the repetition of names can be significant, especially if there is an unusual name. Let us say you are researching a family group that went west. The family had children named Benjamin, Obadiah and Catherine. When these children married, they tended to carry on these names can be same names. You know they came from New England, significant, but have no proof as to where. If you find a family in Rhode Island with children named George, John, William and Ann and another family in Vermont with children Benjamin, Obadiah and Catherine, you will probably want to put your first effort into the Vermont family. It is not any proof in itself, but goes towards the preponderance of the evidence. Some families may show an extreme fondness for one name. In one family, Samuel and William, both with the same surname, came to America. Twenty years later William signed a power of attorney to settle the estate of Robert who had died in Ireland. Most researchers have assumed, as a working theory, that these men were brothers and Robert was their father. A partial list of 77 descendants shows that in four generations of descendants of Robert the name William occurs 10 times. By contrast, Robert only occurs four times. This makes me a bit skeptical that Robert is really the progenitor of the family. He may have been an uncle or childless relative. Names as a Virtue Some of the most fascinating names come from early New England where parents sometimes named their children after virtues they hoped they would possess: Patience, Charity, Prudence, Thankful. Some names appear quite strange to modern ears. In view of 20th century meanings, "Freelove" does not seem to be an appropriate name for a daughter! Other names had special meaning. In early New England it is believed that the name Benoni was associated with sorrow and was used when the mother was not married or died in childbirth or if the circumstances were in some way unfortunate. Recycled Names Up until this century, parents could usually count on one third of their children not surviving. If a child died, the name was often used again. If a baby died, the next child of the same sex would often be given the same name. When checking birth records, you should never stop when you find the name you are looking for. You should continue for a few more years, because the first child could have died and your ancestor could have been the second child in the family with that name. If an older child died, a younger one would often be named for him or her. If you see George in the 1850 census as a six year old and then in the 1860 census as an eight year old, it may mean the first one died shortly after the 1850 census was taken. Surnames as Given Names Always note carefully a surname that is a given name, even a middle name. The mother's side will often be revealed through the use of family names for her children. One woman named her first son Henry and a later son John Henry. Since Henry is a first name, that did not seem unusual, but it was very significant because the woman's maiden name turned out to be Henry. Consider the following: Thomas Simpson married Mary. After his death, Mary married John Wiswall in 1808. Thomas and Mary had one child, Ann Simpson, who married Francis Ullathorne. Sons of Ann and Francis: 1. Thomas Simpson Ullathorne (named after Ann's father) 2. Francis Ullathorne (named after Francis, the father) 3. William Ullathorne (named after Francis' brother) 4. John Ullathorne (b. 1802, named after Francis' father) 5. Samuel Stevenson Ullathorne 6. Charles Wiswall Ullathorne (b. 1808, middle name after Ann's stepfather. By the time he was born, Ann had already named one child John which may account for the different first name.) I didn't know Mary's maiden name and I thought finding a Catholic marriage in London for the right Simpson would be impossible. However, I found a record of Thomas Simpson marrying Mary Stephenson about a year before the birth of Ann. The fact that Stevenson appears in family names makes me look very closely at this Mary Stevenson and I would look doubly closely at any Mary who had a father named Samuel Stevenson. Again, this is not proof but a very helpful directional indicator when trying to navigate through Stevenson records in a city like London. In one family, a woman whose maiden name was not known had a grandson, 2 great-grandchildren and 1 great-great grandchild with the given names Joel Horton. Her maiden name turned out to be Horton, but her father was Ebenezer, not Joel. She did have a younger brother named Joel. In a case like this, the significance of the frequency was not as obvious because the later generations could have been named after the first man with that name rather than all going back to honor the maiden name. A surname as a given name does not always mean it was a family name. The numbers of "George Washingtons" and "Lincolns" as given names in the U.S. do not indicate any family connection. A couple might also name a child after a respected friend. Nicknames You may think you have a relationship all figured out only to come upon a completely different name for the wife. Nicknames that were common in earlier times, especially for girls, may not be known nicknames at all today. I thought I never would figure out all the wives one man had. He was married to Ann, Margaret Agnes, Hannah and Nancy in different records. Fortunately, my life was simplified when I found out that Ann, Hannah, Nan and Nancy were all variations of the same name. Some even say that Agnes is a variation of Ann so his four wives became two at the most. Here are some others you may encounter: * Margaret: Maggie, Rita, Madge, Greta, Peggy, even Daisy (Marguerite is the French word for Daisy) * Mary: Polly, Minnie, Polette (Polly/Mary is very common in early America) * Minerva: Minnie * Alice: Lisa, Sonny * Amelia: Milly * Helen: Ailene, Elaine, Leonora, Nelly * Sarah: Sadie * Louise: Alison, Eloise, Lois Most male nicknames are more straightforward, although Hal and Harry for Henry or Neil for Cornelius are a little less obvious. What frequently happens with men is they decide to go by their middle name. Everyone will know them by the middle name and they will be written up in county histories under this name. John William may be called Bill most of the time. But when it comes to some official documents, he will trot out his full legal name. You may pore over the census looking for Bill or Wm. and completely overlook John. Your best piece of luck is when you encounter a document where he uses both names together. Baptismal Names In Catholic churches especially, but also found in others, the Latin name will be used at the time of baptism. Most genealogists maintain that a person should be entered in the database under his baptismal name. Since this is often the only time the Latin name is used, I do not think using this name as the primary name is helpful for people trying to look up information on that individual. One person was christened Bonafacius but not one of his descendants would ever know to look under that name. All his life he went by "Bonaparte." Carolus is Latin for Charles, but not a name most people would use. I personally believe the primary name should be the name the person was known by for most of his life. Translated Names When foreigners came to the U.S. they often modified the spelling of their last name or even translated the name. Thus Schneider became Taylor. This happened even more frequently with given names because most names in European languages have an English equivalent. A German named Franz, a Pole called Franciszek, and an Italian named Francesco could all easily become "Frank." John is such a widely used name that it has many forms: Jan (Belgian, Czech, Danish, Gaelic, Polish), Hanna (Arabic), Ivan (Bulgarian, Russian), Hans (Danish, German), Hannes (Finnish), Jean (French), Johannes (German), Ioannes (Greek), Yohanan (Hebrew), Sean (Irish), Giovanni (Italian), Joao (Portuguese), Ian (Scotch), Juan (Spanish), Jonam, Jens (Swedish), Yochanan (Yiddish). On the other hand a Spaniard named Diego, a Scotsman named Hamish or an Irishman called Seamus probably wouldn't change to James. What you have to do is keep an eye out for is switching between the two names — in the Polish paper he may be Wojciech but in the city directory would be listed under Albert. German Names In some German areas you will find that all of the sons had the same first name, frequently Johann, and all of the daughters also, often Anna. You might find a family with Johann Georg, Johann Jacob and Johann Michael. Usually they went by their second name. But when an official record was involved, they might revert to their full name. Hans is a nickname for Johann so you might also find records for Hans Michael or Hans Jacob. In the Alsace area of France, the administration of the area went back and forth between France and Germany so you may find some records in German and some in French. Johann Jacob or Hans Jacob would become Jean Jacques. Of course, he might also just be Jean (the original Johann given to the whole family) so it is hard to tell which son it could be. Occasionally, names would be reversed so that Michael Georg became Georg Michael, probably because Georg was the name he went by and Michael was only secondary. "Sounds Like" Some foreign languages do not have equivalent names so a direct translation is not possible. Asain names usually cannot be translated directly, but may be too awkward to use when dealing with Americans on a casual basis. In this case a similar sounding American name may be adopted. The Japanese Tamio became Tommy for everyday usage. Again, you have to be aware of the two names and keep an eye out for both. Patronymics Given names become even more significant in the patronymic system, as in Scandinavia, where the given name of the father becomes the surname of the son. If Eric Larson has a son, he will be John Ericson and his son will be Sven Johnson. While given names do not have the importance of surnames, they should still be carefully studied because they can give valuable hints about your family history. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ About the Author I began genealogy in 1970 when we were living in Ogden, Utah for a short time. I was immediately hooked when, on my first visit to the local Family History Center, I found my great-grandparents in the 1850 Ohio census. I have been researching ever since on my own family and for others. I soon recognized the value of computer programs for keeping track of the data. I was a founding member of the Computer Genealogy Society of San Diego and editor of the newsletter. I have written a third party manual on ROOTS III and, with Joan Lowrey, authored two guides to genealogy software. Using ROOTS III and WordPerfect, I have written several family history books for others, but have yet to stop researching long enough to complete my own family history! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 7:44 PM

She could very well have been such, or a child born out of wedlock. In either case, we'll not likely find a reference to it because this was a taboo subject, not talked about. No, I don't have any docs on the Moores at all. I sugest a query to the Watauga list, which may turn up something. Love, Gene. > -----Original Message----- > From: ncwataug-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwataug- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Onetwig@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:21 PM > To: ncwataug@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Is Mary Polly E. Moore Coffey a Moore? > > Hi Gene, I just went thru all 244 Rootsweb world connect family trees > and > none of them have Mary Polly Moore listed as a daughter of Job and > Nancy > Moore. I did see a reference to him as starting Globe Acadamy that > housed and sent > young men out to minister to minister to needy people of color > anywhere. I > wonder if peraps she was not a daughter but one he and Nancy > offered shelter > to and pemission to use their name with all the threats of Indian > removal? > Does anyone have a copy of Job's will? or Bible? or any records > from Globe > Acadamy? Gail > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a- > grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWATAUG- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 7:44 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 7:44 PM

Hi Gene, I just went thru all 244 Rootsweb world connect family trees and none of them have Mary Polly Moore listed as a daughter of Job and Nancy Moore. I did see a reference to him as starting Globe Acadamy that housed and sent young men out to minister to minister to needy people of color anywhere. I wonder if peraps she was not a daughter but one he and Nancy offered shelter to and pemission to use their name with all the threats of Indian removal? Does anyone have a copy of Job's will? or Bible? or any records from Globe Acadamy? Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Linda, The tombstone in the Ford-Hamlet graveyard in Blackberry Has Sarah C. Ford 6 Nov. 1854--11 Jan 1881 1st w/o William S. I have also seen Sarah Esther but do not know which is correct. Ed Greene </HTML>

I have a Sarah Esther and a Sarah Millie Moody.Do you know her middle name? I do not have a date of birth for Sarah Millie Moody. I have the right number of children born to Sarah Esther moody and Sarah Teague. Linda Flanary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Edew31@wmconnect.com> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges > > Linda, > > William Smith Ford was married two times. > > First 22 Oct. 1874 to Sarah C. Moody d/o Benjamin Moody & Rhoda Hatten > Sarah was born 6 Nov. 1851 and died 11 Jan 1881 and is buried in the > family > cemetery in Blackberry. > She was the mother of 4 Children. > > Second about 1881 to Sarah M. Teague d/o Elijah Teague & Darcus Hatten. > Sarah M. Teague was born 18 Jan 1855 & died 25 April 1941 and is buried > int > the family cemetery in Blackberry. > She was the mother of 8 Children > > Ed Greene </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David and Wm. Jr. served in the House. David for Ashe Co., Wm. Jr. Wilkes. Both were sons of Wm. and Mary Aldridge. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Barnes" <sbarnes@nvinet.com> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [NCWATAUG] David & Wm Miller > on 1/20/08 5:41 PM, bonnie steelman at steelman@skybest.com wrote: > >> I am a descendant of David Miller's brother Wm. Jr. Wm. Jr. also served >> in >> the House of Represenatives for Wilkes Co. and died while in office in >> 1825. >> David also served and had a longer term. > > Now I have totaly lost track of which David and William we are talking > about. Please remind me of the parents of these two men, both of which > served in the House. Thanks. > > Sheila > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2818 (20080123) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Reuben Bentley Harrison and wife Martha Ann moved to Mitchell County. They sell their land . See Caldwell County Deed Book 9, pages 199 and 240. Ed Greene </HTML>

I would like that info too please. Thanks Katherine Chester ----- Original Message ----- From: "bonnie steelman" <steelman@skybest.com> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School > Linda, > Here is the lady's e-mail add. that is looking to find who David Miller > who > married Abigail Nelson father is. Foust4u2@aol.com > Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bonnie steelman" <steelman@skybest.com> > To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School > > >> Linda, >> I have been puzzling over this David Miller for a long time. I have a >> friend who is from this line and she can't find who this David's father >> is. >> Do you know. I have lots of info on Millers but I have not found his >> father. I have the names of his children. >> I will ask her if it is alright to give you her add. if you want. You >> can >> contact me at steelman @skybest. com. >> Bonnie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Flanary" <blefla@chartertn.net> >> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School >> >> >>>I descend from David Miller and Abigal Nelson Miller.I would love to swap >>> information with anyone from this line.I think I have this line a little >>> messed up and would appreciate any help to get it back in order. >>> Linda Church Flanary >>> BLEFLA@CHARTERTN.NET >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark & Sherry Reeter" <m-sreeter@embarqmail.com> >>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School >>> >>> >>>> Bonnie, >>>> >>>> Anything you could share on the Miller family would be most >>>> appreciated. >>>> I >>>> look forward to receiving it! >>>> >>>> Sherry >>>> m-sreeter@embarqmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ncwataug-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:ncwataug-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of bonnie steelman >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:25 PM >>>> To: ncwataug@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School >>>> >>>> I have quite a bit of info. on the Miller family. >>>> Bonnie Steelman >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mark & Sherry Reeter" <m-sreeter@embarqmail.com> >>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Zionville School >>>> >>>> >>>>> Some info. to share with you for your Winebarger & Miller family >>>>> files. >>>>> The >>>>> land for the old Zionville School in Watauga Co. was donated by Dalton >>>>> Van >>>>> Buren Winebarger & wife Lula Miller Winebarger. Dalton was the son of >>>>> De >>>>> Marcus "Mark" Winebarger & Martha "Mattie" Carrol and grandson of John >>>>> & >>>>> Nellie Oxford Winebarger. Dalton's wife, Lula, was the daughter of >>>>> Edmund >>>>> Blackburn "E. B." Miller & Jane Holman Miller; granddaughter of >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> David Miller & Rebecca Blackburn Miller; great-granddaughter of David >>>>> Miller >>>>> & Sarah Elizabeth Norris Miller. >>>>> Zionville School was a rock school built at Mabel near the Mabel >>>>> Methodist >>>>> Church which is still standing. The property where the school sat was >>>>> sold >>>>> after the county opened Mabel School in 1939. A small house was built >>>>> on >>>>> that lot after the school was torn down and is still there used as >>>>> rental >>>>> property. Mabel School was replaced a few years ago and the new one is >>>>> not >>>>> far from Old US 421. >>>>> If you have info. on the Miller family, please be in touch! >>>>> >>>>> Sherry Winebarger-Reeter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> __________ NOD32 2757 (20071230) Information __________ >>>>> >>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2807 (20080119) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ NOD32 2808 (20080120) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: > 1/24/2008 9:58 AM > >

Are the Watauga Austin and the Caldwell Austin connected and if so how? Thanks Katherine Chester ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJFarley" <MJFarley@triad.rr.com> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >I do have it sit down on papers that are packed up we went to that cemetery > and copied it several year ago maybe 17 year ago or so when I find it will > let you know > ok . > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine Chester" <kjachester@bellsouth.net> > To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges > > >> Do you have dates for the Lewis Austin? I'm pretty sure he goes in my >> line. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MJFarley" <MJFarley@triad.rr.com> >> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >> >> >>> Wasn't Noah's parents from Germany he had a brother Samuel married Myra >>> Reid >>> or >>> Reed and moved to Watauga county on Winkler's Creek they were Austin's >>> of >>> Winkler's Creek . Sam was born in 182o's and died 1912 didn't they have >>> a >>> brother named Lewis also. Samuel and Myra were my great great >>> grandparents. >>> there are two books out I only have the one from 1960 and its pack up >>> but >>> will check it out soon >>> the other one the lady that did it passed away she was Nora Austin >>> Greene, >>> Some one in that family was also Dutch when I get time will check the >>> one >>> I >>> have and see if it has any info. there is one Lewis Austin buried in the >>> Globe cemetery in Caldwell co. >>> Margaret >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jon Smith" <jon.smith.1234@comcast.net> >>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >>> >>> >>>> John Wesley Austin b 7/28/1853 and d 10/19/1926 is the s/o Noah Japan >>>> Austin >>>> (it's pronounced Jay-pan) and Nancy A Freeman. (yes, she's related to >>>> the >>>> Mary Ann Freeman that married Lawson Swanson - Nancy was Mary Ann's >>>> aunt). >>>> >>>> Rosa Bell's parents were John Wesley Austin and Sarah Elizabeth Lingle, >>>> not >>>> Mary Ann Freeman, someone's given you some incorrect info. John Austin >>>> and >>>> Sarah Lingle are both buried in Sardis Cemetary in Hudson. >>>> >>>> The Freeman's were descendents of William Freeman, founder of the city >>>> of >>>> Springfield, Missouri and head of the scouts for George Washington at >>>> the >>>> battle of Yorktown. I can go back to the 1600's on the Lingel's into >>>> Germany if you are interested. >>>> >>>> One of my grandmothers was an Austin, so I've done a little work on >>>> them. >>>> Noah's father was Samuel Austin, b 1790, but we can't find his parents. >>>> He >>>> was married 3/3/1818 in Lincoln County to Sarah Bolch (Bolick), then >>>> moves >>>> to Alexander County, and eventually dies in Caldwell County. >>>> >>>> I'll be happy to exchange data if you want off-line; just send me a >>>> direct >>>> email. Sounds like we're cousins! >>>> >>>> r/Jon >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Katherine Chester" <kjachester@bellsouth.net> >>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope someone can help me make a connection with this family. Okay >>>>> Robey >>>>> m. >>>>> Mozelle Swanson. Her mother was Rosa Bell Austin. Her parents are John >>>>> Wesley Austin and Mary Ann Freeman. Mozelle's father was Jesse Blair >>>>> Swanson. His parents were Lawson Swanson and Mary Ann Freeman. Is this >>>>> the >>>>> same Mary Ann Freeman or 2 people with the same name? Also if anyone >>>>> else >>>>> is >>>>> working on the Austin family can you let me know where John Wesley >>>>> fits >>>>> in, >>>>> because I cant find him anywhere because apparently the Caldwell Reg >>>>> of >>>>> Deeds has been taking offline. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jon Smith" <jon.smith.1234@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Who do you have as Sarah's parents? >>>>>> >>>>>> r/Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Katherine Chester" <kjachester@bellsouth.net> >>>>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:03 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I only have him being married once to Sarah Martha Teague 22 Oct 1874 >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Linda Flanary" <blefla@chartertn.net> >>>>>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:06 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline Hodges >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you know if William Smith Ford was married 3 times? >>>>>>>> Linda Church Flanary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: <Edew31@wmconnect.com> >>>>>>>> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:41 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] William Larkin Greene & Judy Caroline >>>>>>>> Hodges >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greene: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Murray Farthing Greene 11 May 1905---8 April 1964 >>>>>>>>> married 28 February 1927 Caldwell County >>>>>>>>> Emma Mae Storie 30 April 1904--17 Sept. 1966 >>>>>>>>> d/o Joshua Finley Storie & Caroline "Callie" Hatton >>>>>>>>> Murray and Mae are buried in the Bethany Baptist Church, Richlands >>>>>>>>> Community >>>>>>>>> of Caldwell County. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Father of Murray Farthing Greene: >>>>>>>>> Horace H. Greene 23 June 1880--1 Sept 1943 >>>>>>>>> married 16 Aug. 1903 Watauga County >>>>>>>>> Luticia R. Ford "Tish" 28 Sept. 1885---24 June 1936 >>>>>>>>> d/o William Smith Ford & Sarah M. Teague >>>>>>>>> Horace and Lutisia are buried in the Ford-Greene Cemetery in the >>>>>>>>> Blackberry >>>>>>>>> Community of Watauga County. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Parents of Horace H. Greene: >>>>>>>>> Abner F. Greene 8 May 1857--1 July 1903 >>>>>>>>> married about 1879 >>>>>>>>> Nancy Louise Greene 20 Jan. 1862--8 Oct. 1938 >>>>>>>>> d/o Hiram Greene & Nancy Brookshire >>>>>>>>> (Abner F. Green died of milk poisoning in 1903. He and Nancy >>>>>>>>> Louise >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>> sons, Horace and Harden Greene. Nancy Louise married Jackson >>>>>>>>> Luther >>>>>>>>> Miller >>>>>>>>> "Lute" in 1910. Lute Miller was s/o David A. Miller and Abigail >>>>>>>>> Nelson >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Bailey's Camp community of Caldwell County. Luther Miller's first >>>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>>> was Eliza >>>>>>>>> Adams, who was the mother of all the Miller Children. Eliza Adams >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> d/o >>>>>>>>> Nelson Adams and Mary Storie. Nelson died in the Civil War. He >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> son >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Squire Adams and Mary Greene.) >>>>>>>>> Abner F. Green & Louisa Greene Miller are buried in the Laurel >>>>>>>>> Ford >>>>>>>>> Baptist >>>>>>>>> Cemetery in Aho Community of Watauga County. Also, J. Luther >>>>>>>>> Miller >>>>>>>>> 14 >>>>>>>>> Jan. >>>>>>>>> 1860--14 Aug. 1940 and Eliza A. Adams Miller w/o J Miller 2 Nov. >>>>>>>>> 1858--14 >>>>>>>>> Mar. >>>>>>>>> 1908 are buried there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Abner F. Greene's parents were: >>>>>>>>> Edmond Green b. Dec 1831 >>>>>>>>> married >>>>>>>>> Minerva Catherine Stine b. 1832 in Indiana--d after 1900 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nancy Louisa Greene's parents were >>>>>>>>> Hiram Greene b.@1823--d. 1865 >>>>>>>>> married Sept 1845 (Wilkes County) >>>>>>>>> Nancy Brookshire b.@1823--d.after 1900 >>>>>>>>> d/o William Brookshire & Nancy Triplett >>>>>>>>> After the death of Hiram Greene, Nancy married Elisha Holder and >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> son >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> him. >>>>>>>>> There is a carved stone in the Elrod-Greene Cemetery (on Goforth >>>>>>>>> Rd. >>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>> road from Mt. Bethel Reform Church) for Hiram Green @1820--@1860. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Edmond Greene's parents were: >>>>>>>>> Isaac (Mountain) Greene b. @ 1786 Rowan County- d. 28 March 1965 >>>>>>>>> Caldwell >>>>>>>>> Co. >>>>>>>>> married May 1810 >>>>>>>>> Susan Gragg b. @ 1791--d. after 1850 >>>>>>>>> d/o William Gragg & Elizabeth Pulliam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hiram Greene's parents were: >>>>>>>>> Joseph Green b. @1782 Rowan County--d.1861 Watauga County >>>>>>>>> married @1815 >>>>>>>>> Celia Elrod b.@1796--d. after 1870 >>>>>>>>> d/o Conrod Elrod & Mary Hoffman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joseph Greene & Isaac (Mountain) Greene were s/o Richard Greene & >>>>>>>>> Eleanor >>>>>>>>> Sullivan >>>>>>>>> Richard Green was born @ 1742 in Hunterdon County, NJ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> </HTML> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1237 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > 11:04 AM > >

thanks i found some of mine too. ----- Original Message ----- From: <teachword@bellsouth.net> To: <ncwataug@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Tweetsie Railroad Cemetery > Ruth, thanks so much for the link as it has some of my kinfolk-Greenes and > Hodges. > Loretta > > -------------- Original message from "Ruth Nielsen" > <ruthalice3@verizon.net>: -------------- > > >> This link might be a great resource!! LOTS of Coffey burials. >> >> http://www.interment.net/data/us/nc/watauga/tweetsie/index.htm >> >> R.A. in CA >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM > >

Hello, This is my first communication via the member list of Watauga Co ... I am interested in family information for the Mast/McBride families from the Cove Creek/Sugar Grove/Valle Crucis areas. Just beginning this research ... and am open to join any member list that would aid in research. Thanks, Leslie Dancer -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <bandbhughes@webtv.net> > As a member of this list, I would like to invite anyone with Watauga Co., NC to > join the Watauga SAR Chapter n Carter co., TN. > We share the same history and many of the same Rev. War Patriots. I believe > that the Watauga Chapter is the closest one to you. > We have a couple of members from Boone and Watauga County, but would like more. > I know that that are many Rev. War Patriots buried in Watauga County for which > we could do Grave Marker Services for. Please contact us if you have interest. > Bob Hughes, Past Pres. > TNSSAR > bandbhughes@webtv.net > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare > to attack. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Ruth, thanks so much for the link as it has some of my kinfolk-Greenes and Hodges. Loretta -------------- Original message from "Ruth Nielsen" <ruthalice3@verizon.net>: -------------- > This link might be a great resource!! LOTS of Coffey burials. > > http://www.interment.net/data/us/nc/watauga/tweetsie/index.htm > > R.A. in CA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWATAUG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Sorry I accidentally deleted the email when i converted it to txt. so I had to start a new line. For the Caldwell County Austins this is what I have to go along with Sanna's awesome research. 16 June 302 A. W. Austin 30 - $300; Julia 30; Harvy 11; Margaret 9; Jane 6; William 4; Walter 1 Alfred Webb Austin was the son of Jesse Austin(1803 - aft1870) and Sally Joplin. They were wed 11/2/1822. 446 Thomas Austin 34 $2000 $2200 Virginia; Jane 32 NC; John 12; Julius 11; Martha 8; George 7; Mary 5; Charles 3; Joseph 9/12; Margaret Bean 65; E. L. Matheson 25; Louisa Wilson 14 Thomas J Austin (2/8/1825 Nelson Co VA - 2/7/1909) was the second child of Jesse and Sally. His wife was Margaret Jane Bean (5/18/1827 NC - 3/20/1907 Caldwell County. They had 10 children; Rufus (8/1866 - 2/20/1936 Caldwell Co), John P (1849 Caldwell Co - Bef 1873 Caldwell Co), Julius Jefferson (3/27/1850 Caldwell Co - 3/6/1947 Caldwell Co buried: Bellview Cemetery, Lenoir NC), Martha (1852-1947), George Thomas (2/10/1854-3/12/1929 Caldwell Co NC burried: Harpers Chapel Methodist Church Patterson NC), Joseph Milton (10/21/1858 or 1859 - 3/25/1944 Caldwell Co), Sarah Etter (6/26/1869 - 1/22/1892), Mary Jane (1856-1947), Charles David (12/25/1856 - 12/1/1944)

Hi Gene, I guess I assumed the E. in Mary's name was for Elizabeth and Harriet Elizabeth got her middle name, but it does seem more likely it would be Emmaline as in Emma for their youngest daughter. Thanks Gene . Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

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As a member of this list, I would like to invite anyone with Watauga Co., NC to join the Watauga SAR Chapter n Carter co., TN. We share the same history and many of the same Rev. War Patriots. I believe that the Watauga Chapter is the closest one to you. We have a couple of members from Boone and Watauga County, but would like more. I know that that are many Rev. War Patriots buried in Watauga County for which we could do Grave Marker Services for. Please contact us if you have interest. Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR bandbhughes@webtv.net "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack.

And where did I get 'Emeline' as Mary "Polly" Moore's middle name? Here are the notes I have with her: Listed as Mary in 1850, 1860 censuses, as Polly E. in 1870 census, d. bet. 1870 & 2 Jun 1880 Patterson Twp., Caldwell Co. censuses. D/O Job & Nancy Stone Hight Moore. Her bro., Read Hight Moore, mar. Margaret Isabel Blair, #446. > -----Original Message----- > From: ncwataug-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwataug- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Onetwig@aol.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:54 AM > To: ncwataug@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Gilliam Coffey, some Descendants > > Hi Linda, I have suspected Mary( Polly ) Elizabeth Moore Coffey may > not > have been a Moore. There are family stories of Cherokee Heritage thru > Harriet > Coffey Blair, the daughter of Gilliam and Mary Polly Moore Coffey. She > died > somewhere between the 1870 and the 1880 census. I can not find > anything to > support this theory other than family stories and a lack of any > information > about her. Gail No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM

OK, I'll throw a little bit more against the fan and see what happens. <grin> I've never been able to find any Indian blood in the Coffey line, but I did become suspicious some time back that there may be some Melungeon connection, not only with the Coffeys but with Hayes an dthe Moores in TN and NC. Never could trace that down either, and now I've forgotten just what triggered my suspicion. Those small census errors and discrepancies are fairly common. Bad memories, lies about one's age and so on, and perhaps a parent answered for someone working in the field. And sometimes a census might have been actually taken the year prior or after the "official" year. > -----Original Message----- > From: ncwataug-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwataug- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Onetwig@aol.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:35 AM > To: ncwataug@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCWATAUG] Gilliam Coffey, some Descendants > > Hi Gene, Thanks for posting this. I still have questions about > Mary(Polly) > Elizabeth Moore. I can't find much info on her at all except in the > census. I > keep going back to the story Mom told me, that our ancestors had to > hide > their heritage to escape being marched to OK on the trail of tears.That > was the > time period Mary was married to Gilliam. I found the daughter of Job > and > Nancy in one family tree but she was married to someone else. It is > also curious > that the census recods show her to be 30 in 1850, 42 in 1860. and 57 in > 1870. > I know the records have errors, but different birth years in all three > records? This has been bugging the fire out of me! Gail > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a- > grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWATAUG- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM