In the 1870, Warren's townships seem to be numbered, rather than named. Does anyone happen to know what township number might be assigned to Hawtree Township? Thanks, Sandy

Is anyone familiar with the line of Elizabeth "Betsy" Duke, daur of Green Duke, who md (1802) Thomas P. Hunt, s/o Memucan? I have that this couple moved to Lebanon, TN....then to Mississippi, then to Washington Co TX, where Thomas P. was killed by robbers in 1863. Does anyone know when the couple moved to Texas? I don't find them in the 1860 of Washington Co, but I do find a Thomas Hunt (age 42) in Washington Co in 1850. But he seems to be too young. Can anyone help with further information on this couple? Thanx, Sandy

I think it has been fixed. I tried it a few minutes ago and got through. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Pacey" <bekki@cybertrails.com> To: <NCWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [NCWARREN-L] Re: NC STATE ARCHIVES -MARS LINK Still Bad > I just tried the link again and it is still reporting Internal Server Error, > I reported it to the webmaster, aybe it will help. > Becky >

Thanks for letting us know, I am getting through now also. Becky Subject: Re: [NCWARREN-L] Re: NC STATE ARCHIVES -MARS LINK Still Bad > I think it has been fixed. I tried it a few minutes ago and got through. > > > > Deloris >

I just tried the link again and it is still reporting Internal Server Error, I reported it to the webmaster, aybe it will help. Becky > I see that some people haven't been able to use the link I sent, so here is > the link to the main page for the Archives. Just scroll down to the middle > of the page, and click onto the MARS link on the left side. > > http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm >

I got into it, and then I couldn't again, you're right. They are having some kind of server error. I don't know if it works, but I used the link on the Error Page to send a message to the server to ask about it. I'd suggest others do the same. It is really a great and worthwhile site. They also have another MARS database, but it is much more complicated to use and I don't think it has all of the features that this one has Hopefully, they will get this one fixed shortly. Deloris . ----- Original Message ----- From: <EDZIMM@aol.com> To: <NCWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [NCWARREN-L] NC STATE ARCHIVES > Thanks Deloris...got in one time but have not been able to access since. > Have you are anyone else had a problem with this site since you (Deloris) told > us about it? > MJ >

Hello Dee, I suspect I may have caused a landslide of new visitors that are all trying at the same time. I was just at the site myself and it was fine, so I guess it's best to try on and off right now. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Miller" <billndee@gulftel.com> To: <NCWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [NCWARREN-L] NC STATE ARCHIVES > Hi to All, > > I was getting in yesterday but got South Carolina information. > They must be having a big problem. > > Dee Miller Alabama >

I see that some people haven't been able to use the link I sent, so here is the link to the main page for the Archives. Just scroll down to the middle of the page, and click onto the MARS link on the left side. http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm Deloris

I tried all last night and again this morning and was not able to access it. I kept getting an error message. MD

Thanks Deloris...got in one time but have not been able to access since. Have you are anyone else had a problem with this site since you (Deloris) told us about it? MJ In a message dated 07/19/2003 11:53:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, deloris.williams2@verizon.net writes: > For those who don't know about it, the North Carolina State Archives has a > MARS database online where you can search their records and see what kind of > files they have available. You can key in your family name, and they give > you the list of files they have, including Court Records, Bibles, Marriage > Records, etc. You click onto the hits and it gives a full description of > those files. There are also other parameters you can use so you can play > with it to see what's there. Here is the link. > > http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/logicrouter/servlet/LogicRouter?OUTPUTX > SL=childbrowse.xsl&hier=h1&tree=c&api_1=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=c& > api_2=GET_SEARCH_PARM&hier=h1&tree=o&api_3=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=o& > api_4=GET_SEARCH_PARM > > > >

Hi to All, I was getting in yesterday but got South Carolina information. They must be having a big problem. Dee Miller Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: EDZIMM@aol.com To: NCWARREN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [NCWARREN-L] NC STATE ARCHIVES Thanks Deloris...got in one time but have not been able to access since. Have you are anyone else had a problem with this site since you (Deloris) told us about it? MJ In a message dated 07/19/2003 11:53:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, deloris.williams2@verizon.net writes: > For those who don't know about it, the North Carolina State Archives has a > MARS database online where you can search their records and see what kind of > files they have available. You can key in your family name, and they give > you the list of files they have, including Court Records, Bibles, Marriage > Records, etc. You click onto the hits and it gives a full description of > those files. There are also other parameters you can use so you can play > with it to see what's there. Here is the link. > > http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/logicrouter/servlet/LogicRouter?OUTPUTX > SL=childbrowse.xsl&hier=h1&tree=c&api_1=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=c& > api_2=GET_SEARCH_PARM&hier=h1&tree=o&api_3=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=o& > api_4=GET_SEARCH_PARM

Thanks for the info, Nola. Yes, I've found a very few ancestors in the Court Records that are available, but unfortunately they don't go far enough into the the dates I am looking for. Deloris

For those who don't know about it, the North Carolina State Archives has a MARS database online where you can search their records and see what kind of files they have available. You can key in your family name, and they give you the list of files they have, including Court Records, Bibles, Marriage Records, etc. You click onto the hits and it gives a full description of those files. There are also other parameters you can use so you can play with it to see what's there. Here is the link. http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/logicrouter/servlet/LogicRouter?OUTPUTXSL=childbrowse.xsl&hier=h1&tree=c&api_1=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=c&api_2=GET_SEARCH_PARM&hier=h1&tree=o&api_3=PUB_DISP_COLL&hier=builder&tree=o&api_4=GET_SEARCH_PARM Deloris Williams

Deloris, I know that Ginger already has the film and may have plans to make a CD for all the Apprenticeship Bonds but not sure of her current plans. Like you, I think I may find some connections that are not otherwise available. Actually some of them are found in some of the Abstracts of Court Records that are in print but to date, I am not aware of anything that has been done specifically on the Apprenticeship Bonds. Nola

Does anyone know if there are any books out there with Apprentice Bonds for Halifax and Warren Counties? I'm mainly looking for the early 1800's in particular and have come to suspect that many of my early male ancestors weren't included in their family census records because they were apprenticed out at very young ages. Deloris

Hi All, Thought I'd update the List with the Surnames I am researching in Warren County, and hope someone out there is researching the same. Some of them changed colors over the years, but during the mid-1800's these were listed as Free People of Color or Black or Mulatto: COPELAND DAVIS EVANS GREEN RODGERS SNEED WILLIAMS Hoping to find more family connections. Deloris Williams Researching my families from Warren, Halifax, Granville, and Wake Counties.

In a message dated 07/09/2003 3:18:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teylu@earthlink.net writes: > Thirteen veterans of the Revolutionary War drew pensions in Warren Co. > William Askew was the oldest (103) and William R. Duke, once a > commissioner for the establishment of Warren County's boundaries, was > the next oldest at niney-four. Blind and feeble, he lived at the home of > his son, Dr. M. Duke." > First, Sandy a big thanks to you for all the information on Warren. I would have responded sooner but had unexpected company. At any rate, all our Warren researchers are fortunate to have you on the list. The census information was of great interest as well. Amazing what we can find out there if we just put our minds to it. Regarding, Warren Co, tho I am a bit confused on the William R. Duke who was 94 (b. 1746)in 1840 and living with Dr. M. Duke. As stated by Wellsman...that he was once a commissioner for the est. of Warren's boundaries. I have been under the impression from other sources that the William Duke who was the commissioner was the son of William Sr who came from Brunswick Co. (aka William Duke, Jr.) And that it was William Duke, Jr (Sr. after death of his father) who was commissioned to measure the Bute Co line and divide it into Franklin and Warren Counties (1779). This William Duke died abt 1793 (sales of his estate in Warren Ct 1794) and he had on one son, who was Green Duke. Sandy, I don't expect you to answer the above...however, hope someone on the list could enlighten us on the William R. Duke with son Dr. M. Duke (Myrick?) and exactly which of these Dukes was the commissioner . I will also try EDB's book as well and report back. Thanks again. Mary Jean Z

Listers, Mary Lib Taylor, an excellent Warren Co researcher, has sent me the following information concerning the William R. Duke listed by Manly Wade Wellman (in "The County of Warren") as a Revolutionary War pensioner in the 1840 census. Mrs. Taylor gave her permission to share this with the list: > Just thought I would send some information to help clear up some things > which are not quite correct in Mr. Wellmans book THE COUNTY OF WARREN. > On page 117, Mr. Wellman names a William R. Duke as one of the Rev War > veterans. Mr. Duke's initial is P and not R as stated in the book. He > did > indeed live at that time in the household of one of his sons Doctor M. > Duke. > Doctor being a given name and not a medical Dr. > This William P. Duke is one of my great, great, great, great > grandfathers. > He has been confused with another William P. Duke who was also in Warren > County at the same time. This William later moved to another state. > Several > early researchers have put this information out to the public in > error. The > Duke Family, by Evelyn Brandenberger, is a great source for information > about the different Duke lines in Warren County. Somehow she managed > to get > them in order and with proof. > I am not sure that this William P. Duke was once a commissioner for the > establishment of Warren County's boundries, as there was another William > Duke here at this time also. > Thanks so very much to Mrs. Taylor for sharing this information. -Sandy >

In case some of you haven't discovered this, the Univ. of VA, has a great site for looking at data from the historic censuses. It won't give you individual *people* who were on the old censuses, but you can run all sorts of searches to get a "feel" for the characteristics of various places during any given census year. Different censuses contained different sorts of data, so you can't always compare all data from one census year to the next. http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/census/ for example, I selected the following parameters to see what they were like in Warren Co NC in 1850: (there were LOTS of other factors I could have selected....I just chose these): TOTAL AGGR. POPULATION = 13,912 TOTAL FREE COLORED POPULATION = 444 TOTAL NO. OF SLAVES = 8,867 TOTAL NO. OF FARMS = 543 CASH VALUE OF FARMS = $1,274,103 TOTAL VALUE OF CHURCH PROPERTY, 1850 = $13,200 NO. OF PUBLIC LIBRARIES = 0 (fyi...there were 4 listed in the state: 1 in Craven Co, 1 in Guilford Co, 1 in Martin Co, and 1 in Randolph Co) VALUE OF ANNUAL PRODUCT IN MANUFACTURING = $108,299 NO. OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS = 30 (fyi, Rutherford Co had the most - 81) NO. OF PUPILS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS = 1,486 TOTAL NO. OF FREE COLORED PERSONS ATTEND = 2 (fyi..by contrast: Franklin Co had 28 public schools and Granville had 48, yet no "free colored persons" are shown attending in either county; Wake Co had 64 public schools with 52 "free coloreds" attending; Robeson and Craven were the other two "exceptions"-- Robeson had 61 public schools w/ 47 "free colored" students; Craven had 45 public schools with 46 "free colored" students; all in all, NC had 2,657 public schools, and 247 "free colored" students statewide.) NO. OF PERSONS BORN OUT OF STATE, BUT IN UNITED STATES = 405 (as always, the data is only as good as the answers provided, and the recording by the enumerator! <g>.... those "ditto" marks may have listed a lot of out-of-staters as born in-state) NO. OF PERSONS BORN OUT OF THE UNITED ST = 25 (fyi....in all of NC, only 2,601 people listed themselves as born out of the country out of a total state population of 869,039 -- of course, not everyone who WAS born out of the country may have listed themselves as such!) ------ Anyway, I think it's a great website, and you can learn a lot about various states and counties by playing around with it. http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/census/ -Sandy

Had a question about the 13 Rev. war veterans named in Manly Wade Wellman's book as listed on the 1840 census drawing pensions for service in the Rev. War. Thought the information might be of interest to others as well. The full list of 13, as cited by Wellman: William Askew (oldest, 103) in 1840) William R. Duke (next oldest, 94 in 1840) Thomas Hilliard Augustin Baltrup Burwell Davis Francis Riggan John Dowton James Durham Frederick K. Shearin Henry Southall Robin Harris David King John Watkins (youngest; age 77 in 1840) "All had done their service in the North Carolina militia except the youngest of them all, seventy-seven year old John Watkins, who had fought the British as a teen-age private of the Continental Line." --Wellman lists his source as the Sixth United States Census (1840) pp. 180-81. -Sandy