Thanks, Sharon. That's what I was trying to find, and the Archives sent me the info on the lawsuit, which is helpful, but not what I really needed. I'm trying one more time, asking specifically for info on Polly Riley's death and any heir info. It's so frustrating - you know the info had to be there at some time, but trying to find that "needle in the haystack" now is very difficult. I'm not complaining about the Archives, because they've always been a big help to me, but there's a real trick in asking the exactly right question and then hoping the info is still there! Joanne Gaudio

>From what you stated in the email it spears she had a life estate which does not give her the right to sell it. Therefore you'd need to look for when John Nutt's heirs sold the land....that will tell you when she died - unless they agreed to other compensation for her. Sharon Gable -----Original Message----- From: ncwake-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncwake-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Gaudio Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:31 AM To: ncwake@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCWAKE] Crabtree Creek in Wake Co. Can anyone give me an idea where Crabtree Creek is (or was) located? Anotehr creek called Long Branch flows into it. I think it must be in the general area where Little River, Marks Creek, and St. Matthews townships came together in the mid-1800s. John Nutt left land in 1819 on both sides of the creek to his children, and in 1857 there was a lawsuit between Henry Bunch of Little River and Richard B. Seawell of St. Matthews over part of this same land. I can't find it on the Fendol Beavers map. I'm interested because part of the land was willed to Mary Polly Nutt Riley and her heirs. She was alive in Marks Creek in 1850 but not there in 1860, and I'm trying to find out if she had died by 1856 and her remaining heirs had sold the land to either Bunch or Seawell. The survey map I gpt frm the Archives just identifies her part as left to her in John Nutt's will for her life and then to her heirs - a bit ambiguous as to her state in 1856, but I don't see how she could have ! sold it while living. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I'd love to get more information, too! Thanks. Joanne Pearce Gaudio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Phyllis. I was looking in the wrong area! Joanne

Crabtree Creek does run through St. Matthews, and is shown on the Fendol-Beavers map. Or, at least it was part of St. Matthews at the time Fendol-Bevers was drawn. If you look on the map at the southwestern part of St. Matthews, you will find Crabtree Creek, running into Houses Creek township. The NC Gazetteer states that Crabtree Creek rises in w Wake County and flows ne and se into Neuse River e of Raleigh. Phyllis Mistrot

Before or after a heavy rain? :-) It is a very long creek and covers a great distance in Raleigh. It is responsible for nearly all of the major flooding that Raleigh ever incurs. It has on of NC's largest shopping malls, many shopping centers, several major car lots, etc. on it's banks in some of it's most vulnerable areas. You will now see numerous places where businesses have been torn down after giving up on the flooding and new businesses have been built only after hauling in gravel and dirt and building a foundation 12-20 feet above the surrounding area. It looks like buildings built on minature flat topped pyramids. Funny looking, but it works. See the map at http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=mozclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=glenwood%20ave.%2C%20raleigh%2C%20nc&sa=N&tab=wl Rootsweb will undoubtably break the link above into two lines, so you will have to reconstruct it. Crabtree Creek is in the very center of this map and you will be able to click and drag the map following it through most of Raleigh. As it crosses I-440 and Glenwood Avenue to the northwest of this location it becomes too small to show on the map, yet no less prone to flooding and damages. This is where the large shopping mall Crabtree Valley Mall, which shows on the map, has been flooded numerous times over the past 30 years. Tim Kemp Joanne Gaudio wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea where Crabtree Creek is (or was) located? >

Can anyone give me an idea where Crabtree Creek is (or was) located? Anotehr creek called Long Branch flows into it. I think it must be in the general area where Little River, Marks Creek, and St. Matthews townships came together in the mid-1800s. John Nutt left land in 1819 on both sides of the creek to his children, and in 1857 there was a lawsuit between Henry Bunch of Little River and Richard B. Seawell of St. Matthews over part of this same land. I can't find it on the Fendol Beavers map. I'm interested because part of the land was willed to Mary Polly Nutt Riley and her heirs. She was alive in Marks Creek in 1850 but not there in 1860, and I'm trying to find out if she had died by 1856 and her remaining heirs had sold the land to either Bunch or Seawell. The survey map I gpt frm the Archives just identifies her part as left to her in John Nutt's will for her life and then to her heirs - a bit ambiguous as to her state in 1856, but I don't see how she could have sold it while living. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I'd love to get more information, too! Thanks. Joanne Pearce Gaudio

2/20/07 If anyone had any questions about the advisability of building in flood plains a study of the Crabtree Valley Mall and other areas of Crabtree Creek should put a halt to building in all flood plains. Future generations of genealogists would have a hard time with properties that have been washed away. John Clark --- Tim Kemp <tkemp@mindspring.com> wrote: > Before or after a heavy rain? :-) > > It is a very long creek and covers a great distance > in Raleigh. It is > responsible for nearly all of the major flooding > that Raleigh ever > incurs. It has on of NC's largest shopping malls, > many shopping > centers, several major car lots, etc. on it's banks > in some of it's most > vulnerable areas. You will now see numerous places > where businesses > have been torn down after giving up on the flooding > and new businesses > have been built only after hauling in gravel and > dirt and building a > foundation 12-20 feet above the surrounding area. > It looks like > buildings built on minature flat topped pyramids. > Funny looking, but it > works. > > See the map at > http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=mozclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=glenwood%20ave.%2C%20raleigh%2C%20nc&sa=N&tab=wl > > Rootsweb will undoubtably break the link above into > two lines, so you > will have to reconstruct it. Crabtree Creek is in > the very center of > this map and you will be able to click and drag the > map following it > through most of Raleigh. As it crosses I-440 and > Glenwood Avenue to the > northwest of this location it becomes too small to > show on the map, yet > no less prone to flooding and damages. This is > where the large shopping > mall Crabtree Valley Mall, which shows on the map, > has been flooded > numerous times over the past 30 years. > > Tim Kemp > > Joanne Gaudio wrote: > > >Can anyone give me an idea where Crabtree Creek is > (or was) located? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Tim, That is a great map link. Thanks. I was able to pull in an areial view of one of my homes i lived in as a boy in the early 40's at Fred Fletcher Park. John Clark --- Tim Kemp <tkemp@mindspring.com> wrote:

2/20/07 Joanne, Crabtree Creek is not in the St. Matthews area. It flows thru William B. Umstead State Park, passing and sometimes flooding Crabtree Mall, into Raleigh, crossing Glenwood Avenue near where Wade Avenue crosses and is the creek I played in as a boy in the 40's. John Clark, formerly of Raleigh, born in Knightdale, Marks Creek twnshp --- Joanne Gaudio <jgaudio@charter.net> wrote: > Can anyone give me an idea where Crabtree Creek is > (or was) located? Anotehr creek called Long Branch > flows into it. I think it must be in the general > area where Little River, Marks Creek, and St. > Matthews townships came together in the mid-1800s. > John Nutt left land in 1819 on both sides of the > creek to his children, and in 1857 there was a > lawsuit between Henry Bunch of Little River and > Richard B. Seawell of St. Matthews over part of this > same land. I can't find it on the Fendol Beavers > map. I'm interested because part of the land was > willed to Mary Polly Nutt Riley and her heirs. She > was alive in Marks Creek in 1850 but not there in > 1860, and I'm trying to find out if she had died by > 1856 and her remaining heirs had sold the land to > either Bunch or Seawell. The survey map I gpt frm > the Archives just identifies her part as left to her > in John Nutt's will for her life and then to her > heirs - a bit ambiguous as to her state in 1856, but > I don't see how she could have ! > sold it while living. If any of this sounds > familiar to anyone, I'd love to get more > information, too! Thanks. > Joanne Pearce Gaudio > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

O.K. Folks, I'm going to have to ask you all to please drop this subject and please do not use inappropriate language on the list. Thank You, Sue Wake Co. listowner HEW4010@aol.com wrote: >I'm sorry bw, I wasn't referring to you, just the ones calling people lazy >for using all upper case letters, and I don't know why your name and address >is on my properties list, what ever that is. >Again I apology. >Helen Ennis Williams > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I'm sorry bw, I wasn't referring to you, just the ones calling people lazy for using all upper case letters, and I don't know why your name and address is on my properties list, what ever that is. Again I apology. Helen Ennis Williams

You people must be real a holes to feel this way, people do make mistakes, let it rest.

No, Joe. I am no relation (that I know of) to that KEMP line. My KEMP's are from Talbot County, MD. I do the same thing here, Joe. If I get a message in all upper case I delete it unread. I find that a lot of people do that due to the difficulty reading them. If it is all lower case I will often read it as long as it is punctuated properly, but if it is lower case and doesn't have proper puncuation then I find readingthem near impossible. All the sentences run together. I can guess at when one ends and another starts, but if I guess wrong it can totally change the meaning of an entire email. When you see them without punctuation like that you can often tell from the portions you can understand that the writer is intelligent and would definitely know better. In cases like that it is obvious to me the sender is just too durn lazy, and if they are too lazy to write it properly, I am too lazy to waste my time reading it. Well, I'm not toolazy, but I feel like I shouldn't have to waste me time simply because they would not take their time to do it properly Tim Kemp Joe McDonald wrote: >Thanks Tim, > I'm 65 and find it very hard to read in all CAPS. I find it flows together and is very hard on my eyes. So now when I get an email in CAPS I just delete it without trying to read. I don't need the extra stress. I also delete emails that are in all lower case as well. I think people that do this don't have enough respect for their families names to capitalize them should be ashame of themselves. > > BTW: Do you have any connection to the KEMP'S from Gloucester Co., VA that married into the PLUMMER'S. I'm from Kemp PLUMMER. > > Be Well Cuz > Joe (Plummer) McDonald >

Joe saw your post on using capps or lower case only. I think it is laziness ! Gail looking for C. Rhodes m. Lydia Smith in Wake co.

Yes, I have been fortunate enough to have been able to visit the Johnston Co Heritage Center. The staff is very friendly and very helpful and/or very willing to be of help to you. When I have been able to get there, I have given them a revised copy of my Pollard research. Thanks! Diane Pollard Keiser -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Joanne" <JSUTHERLAND6@nc.rr.com> > I live in Johnston County. In Smithfield, you will find the Heritage > Center, a genealogy library well endowed with materials, books, documents > etc. for folks living in the county. It is located on the main street in > our town. > They seem to be able to do a bit of research for people , but not sure if > there is a charge. I think their main staff is made up of volunteers, all > of which are very competent. > Joanne Sutherland > jsutherland6@nc.rr.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] House/ Rogers > > > >I have been trying to research Ezekiel Ro(d)gers (b. June 12, 1832 NC; d. > >Sept 28, 1918 Wake Co, NC) and his wife Millie Ann ??? (b. June 12, 1835 > >NC; d. Oct 13, 1915 Johnston Co, NC). They are both buried at the Amelia > >United Methodist Church Cemetery, nr Clayton, Johnston Co, NC. They are my > >ggggrandparents. I descend thru their daughter, Minnie/Mintie N. Rogers > >(b. May 1867 Wake Co, NC; d. Aug 12, 1932 Boon Hill Twp, Johnston Co, NC) > >m. John Hayden Pollard. > > > > Diane Pollard Keiser > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Sue Hall" > > > >> > >> Is anyone in Wake County actively researching the HOUSE or ROGERS family > >> at > >> this time? > >> > >> Sue Hall > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 > > 9:15 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Tim, I'm 65 and find it very hard to read in all CAPS. I find it flows together and is very hard on my eyes. So now when I get an email in CAPS I just delete it without trying to read. I don't need the extra stress. I also delete emails that are in all lower case as well. I think people that do this don't have enough respect for their families names to capitalize them should be ashame of themselves. BTW: Do you have any connection to the KEMP'S from Gloucester Co., VA that married into the PLUMMER'S. I'm from Kemp PLUMMER. Be Well Cuz Joe (Plummer) McDonald Tim Kemp <tkemp@mindspring.com> wrote: Okay... Comments from the 54 year old "youngster" who only feels like he is 70 years old. That is by far the best way to do it, Sue. In fact it is the only way which really works. Being on over 150 lists I see this discussed regularly. Reading tests conducted by speed reading researchers have consistantly shown that using all upper case not only does NOT help you read it better, but it actually makes it harder to read and slows you down. So when you use all upper case it not only does not really help you read what you are writing, it also makes it harder for your intended readers to read it. Some people say, "But it helps me.", but people who say that have been proven wrong over and over by actual reading speed tests. This is true for 2 reasons: 1) It does not make the letters any bigger at all. They are all still the same height and width that they were when they were in lower case. 2) Most of your reading, other than with kids just learning to read, is not actually done by looking at the individual letter, but is in fact done by looking at the shape of the word as a whole. When you use all upper case letters the shape of the word as a whole is destroyed. All words are shaped the same. Some are just longer or shorter than others. Besides, lists of rules for proper email use say that using all upper case should never be done. They say that in email it symbolizes that you are yelling at someone and is considered as rude. (Not meaning anything against Barbara who has already stated that it was a mistake and not intended.) Tim Kemp Sue Ashby wrote: >Hi Ladies, > >Just wanted to jump in here and give a tip (from another 70 year old) >who isn't seeing as well as a few years ago.... To help you read your >email and anything else, if you will go to your tool bar then click on >it and in the drop down menu go to the "text zoom" , you can set the >text for as high as 300X the size you are looking at now. The default >setting is 100% and I usually set it at 125%. Of course, it doesn't make >any difference when you're typing the text. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

NO Excuse needed! I wright in big letters so I can read what I am writing and hopefully catch errors before I hit the send button!! Billie in Birmingham

Man, I am really loosing it!!! I should have said click on "View" in your tool bar and then.....etc.. Sorry!! Sue Ashby wrote: >I'm sorry list, I didn't change the subject line from Coxe when I posted >the last message. I'm guilty of doing what is the most irritating error >for all of us. >We need to try to make our subject line relevant to the message!! :-P >Sorry... :-[ >Sue > >Sue Ashby wrote: > > > >>Hi Ladies, >> >>Just wanted to jump in here and give a tip (from another 70 year old) >>who isn't seeing as well as a few years ago.... To help you read your >>email and anything else, if you will go to your tool bar then click on >>it and in the drop down menu go to the "text zoom" , you can set the >>text for as high as 300X the size you are looking at now. The default >>setting is 100% and I usually set it at 125%. Of course, it doesn't make >>any difference when you're typing the text. >> >>I use Netscape as my browser so, I don't know exactly how it is done in >>IE, but I'm sure it is similar. >>Hope this helps, >>Sue >> >>Beth Balckmann wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Thanks Kim! I am seventy and I also find the larger print easier to >>>read. After I realized I had sent the large print type and before I had >>>time to correct it ... a gentleman sent me a 'reprimand'. He said... >>>Not only was it 'bad manners' but very hard to read with letters in >>>caps. I replied to him with an apology and then thought I should >>>apologize to the 'list'. Kind of you to respond back to me. It made me >>>feel better! >>>He has also written me back and said he was having a painful day and on >>>medication for 'gout' and he didn't mean to be so harsh. I assured him >>>it is ok!!! You can meet the nicest folks on the Internet!! >>> >>>Best Wishes~ >>> >>>Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Oops! I'm guilty too :) Good reminder, Sue Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Ashby" <sueashby@earthlink.net> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] wrong subject.. > I'm sorry list, I didn't change the subject line from Coxe when I posted > the last message. I'm guilty of doing what is the most irritating error > for all of us. > We need to try to make our subject line relevant to the message!! :-P > Sorry... :-[ > Sue > > Sue Ashby wrote: > >>Hi Ladies, >> >>Just wanted to jump in here and give a tip (from another 70 year old) >>who isn't seeing as well as a few years ago.... To help you read your >>email and anything else, if you will go to your tool bar then click on >>it and in the drop down menu go to the "text zoom" , you can set the >>text for as high as 300X the size you are looking at now. The default >>setting is 100% and I usually set it at 125%. Of course, it doesn't make >>any difference when you're typing the text. >> >>I use Netscape as my browser so, I don't know exactly how it is done in >>IE, but I'm sure it is similar. >>Hope this helps, >>Sue >> >>Beth Balckmann wrote: >> >> >> >>>Thanks Kim! I am seventy and I also find the larger print easier to >>>read. After I realized I had sent the large print type and before I had >>>time to correct it ... a gentleman sent me a 'reprimand'. He said... >>>Not only was it 'bad manners' but very hard to read with letters in >>>caps. I replied to him with an apology and then thought I should >>>apologize to the 'list'. Kind of you to respond back to me. It made me >>>feel better! >>>He has also written me back and said he was having a painful day and on >>>medication for 'gout' and he didn't mean to be so harsh. I assured him >>>it is ok!!! You can meet the nicest folks on the Internet!! >>> >>>Best Wishes~ >>> >>>Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Oh my gosh, Sue! Thanks! In IE, click View the choose Text Size Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Ashby" <sueashby@earthlink.net> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Coxe > Hi Ladies, > > Just wanted to jump in here and give a tip (from another 70 year old) > who isn't seeing as well as a few years ago.... To help you read your > email and anything else, if you will go to your tool bar then click on > it and in the drop down menu go to the "text zoom" , you can set the > text for as high as 300X the size you are looking at now. The default > setting is 100% and I usually set it at 125%. Of course, it doesn't make > any difference when you're typing the text. > > I use Netscape as my browser so, I don't know exactly how it is done in > IE, but I'm sure it is similar. > Hope this helps, > Sue > > Beth Balckmann wrote: > >>Thanks Kim! I am seventy and I also find the larger print easier to >>read. After I realized I had sent the large print type and before I had >>time to correct it ... a gentleman sent me a 'reprimand'. He said... >>Not only was it 'bad manners' but very hard to read with letters in >>caps. I replied to him with an apology and then thought I should >>apologize to the 'list'. Kind of you to respond back to me. It made me >>feel better! >>He has also written me back and said he was having a painful day and on >>medication for 'gout' and he didn't mean to be so harsh. I assured him >>it is ok!!! You can meet the nicest folks on the Internet!! >> >>Best Wishes~ >> >>Beth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >