There is a Crenshaw Hall Plantation in Wake Forest which is in Wake Co. I found an article from 2003 in The Wake Forest Gazette. The link is http://www.wakeforestgazette.com/august2003/volume16/Crenshaw_Hall_zoning.htm. I personally don't know anything about the development. Hope this will be of some help. Marie >

Can someone tell me if there was actually a sub division built and linked to the home known as Crenshaw Hall. From a newspaper article from Life, the Wake Weekly dated 1998, a Mr. Steve Gould was planning a development at what was known as "the thousand acre farm, which stretched from Richland Creek to Tyler Run? My ancestor Elizabeth Harris Crenshaw. She was given a house and tract of land when she married Samuel Crenshaw 25 March 1824 in Wake County. Thanks to anyone who may furnish me with information about Crenshaw Hall. Jane ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

For more on the cemetery, visit _http://cemeterycensus.com/nc/wake/cem209.htm_ (http://cemeterycensus.com/nc/wake/cem209.htm) . Pat ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Does anyone know who is buried in the Nathaniel Jones cemetery in Cary, aside from Nathaniel himself? The cemetery has 1 tall monument, an unmarked crypt and many blocks without engravings. I'd love to learn more about this cemetery. Cindy Foster

> Shirley Olson was instrumental in obtaining the extant records from > the Parks & Recreation Cemetery Division. She also researched for > records from many other sources. Shirley also provided many pictures > of the cemeteries. > > Allen Dew spent many hours converting the records to standard digital > format, and consolidating and combining the records into the current listings. > > http://CemeteryCensus.com/nc/wake What a nice surprise. Many thanks to Shirley and Allen for their work in making this cemetery information available to researchers! Rocky Strickland ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Through the combined efforts of two individuals, the three cemeteries managed by the City of Raleigh are now catalogued and available online at the Cemetery Census web site. These three cemeteries are: #230 - MT. HOPE CEMETERY [BLACK] #238 - RALEIGH CITY CEMETERY [WHITE & BLACK] #239 - O'RORKE CEMETERY [formerly Catholic Cemetery] Shirley Olson was instrumental in obtaining the extant records from the Parks & Recreation Cemetery Division. She also researched for records from many other sources. Shirley also provided many pictures of the cemeteries. Allen Dew spent many hours converting the records to standard digital format, and consolidating and combining the records into the current listings. We hope you will find these cemetery records to be helpful in your genealogy research. Please report any errors and omissions to Allen Dew through the Cemetery Census web site. http://CemeteryCensus.com/nc/wake ----- Allen Dew voice: 919-471-3548 or 919-528-0161 cell: 919-423-5300 E-mail: mailto:allendew@mindspring.com Web Pages: <http://apdew.com> .

Fellow Wake researchers, Is anyone working on the Wadford/Watford lines? I have a Bettie Wadford. She was born to James Pearce. Mothers name unknown. She married a Wadford man also unknown and had I think 7 children with 2 dying. Possible surviving 5 children are: Anton, Maggie(that married a William Shambley), Indie or Julie, Lee J. This isn't much to go on but all I have. Bettie was probably a Elizabeth Pearce at birth and after being widowed she married my gr-gr grandfather S. Richard Mitchell on 15 Dec 1904 in Wake Forest, NC. They lived in the Glen Royal Cotton Mill Tenement houses in Wake Forest, NC. Thanks for anyone trying to help. Phyllis Mitchell Maher pmitchell4328@sbcglobal.net

OOPS! Should read Wake County, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Mills To: NCWake-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Naaman Mills DNA I am looking for a male descendant of Naaman Mills with the last name of Mills to take the DNA test to determine if they are indeed related to a certain line. Please contact me for further information if interested. lempga@bellsouth.net The family of Naaman are as follows and they could have been in Northampton, Bertie Pitt, Craven, Wake, Edgecombe, Halifax Counties, just to name a few. NAAMAN MILLS was born Jul 18, 1757 in Northampton County, NC, and died Sep 02, 1835 in Wake County, TN. He married PENELOPE LASSITER Abt. 1778 in Northampton, daughter of JAMES LASSITER and LYDIA. She was born Abt. 1758, and died Aft. 1810. Naaman Mills born 1757 and died 1835 buried Mills Family Cemetery, Apex, North Carolina Married Penelope Lassiter about 1778. He and his wife resided in Northampton County North Carolina until about 1788, when they migrated into Edgecombe County, North Carolina. In 1812, Naaman Mills and his family migrated to Wake County, North Carolina where many of his descendants still live. Served in the North Carolina Militia during the Revolutionary War. Known Children were: 1. John Mills 2. Matthew Mills 3. Britain Mills 4. Nathan Mills 5. Shadrack Mills 6. Lucretia Mills Thanks, Larry Mills 367 Moore Road Mooresburg, TN 37811 423-272-3424

Hi Larry; I am a female decenendant through Mathew.  There is a male descendent, William Mills.  He even wrote a book.  I will look for his e-mail. Theresa Longley -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mills <lempga@bellsouth.net> To: NCWake-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 1:58 pm Subject: [NCWAKE] Naaman Mills DNA I am looking for a male descendant of Naaman Mills with the last name of Mills o take the DNA test to determine if they are indeed related to a certain line. Please contact me for further information if interested. lempga@bellsouth.net The family of Naaman are as follows and they could have been in Northampton, ertie Pitt, Craven, Wake, Edgecombe, Halifax Counties, just to name a few. NAAMAN MILLS was born Jul 18, 1757 in Northampton County, NC, and died Sep 02, 835 in Wake County, TN. He married PENELOPE LASSITER Abt. 1778 in Northampton, aughter of JAMES LASSITER and LYDIA. She was born Abt. 1758, and died Aft. 810. Naaman Mills born 1757 and died 1835 buried Mills Family Cemetery, Apex, North arolina Married Penelope Lassiter about 1778. He and his wife resided in Northampton ounty North Carolina until about 1788, when they migrated into Edgecombe ounty, North Carolina. In 1812, Naaman Mills and his family migrated to Wake ounty, North Carolina where many of his descendants still live. Served in the orth Carolina Militia during the Revolutionary War. Known Children were: . John Mills 2. Matthew Mills 3. Britain Mills 4. Nathan Mills 5. Shadrack Mills 6. Lucretia Mills Thanks, Larry Mills 67 Moore Road ooresburg, TN 37811 23-272-3424 ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I am looking for a male descendant of Naaman Mills with the last name of Mills to take the DNA test to determine if they are indeed related to a certain line. Please contact me for further information if interested. lempga@bellsouth.net The family of Naaman are as follows and they could have been in Northampton, Bertie Pitt, Craven, Wake, Edgecombe, Halifax Counties, just to name a few. NAAMAN MILLS was born Jul 18, 1757 in Northampton County, NC, and died Sep 02, 1835 in Wake County, TN. He married PENELOPE LASSITER Abt. 1778 in Northampton, daughter of JAMES LASSITER and LYDIA. She was born Abt. 1758, and died Aft. 1810. Naaman Mills born 1757 and died 1835 buried Mills Family Cemetery, Apex, North Carolina Married Penelope Lassiter about 1778. He and his wife resided in Northampton County North Carolina until about 1788, when they migrated into Edgecombe County, North Carolina. In 1812, Naaman Mills and his family migrated to Wake County, North Carolina where many of his descendants still live. Served in the North Carolina Militia during the Revolutionary War. Known Children were: 1. John Mills 2. Matthew Mills 3. Britain Mills 4. Nathan Mills 5. Shadrack Mills 6. Lucretia Mills Thanks, Larry Mills 367 Moore Road Mooresburg, TN 37811 423-272-3424

I am looking for JACOB DELK and wife and lived in NC. They had a daughter named EDEA or perhaps EDY who married JAMES HALL (1757-1821 in Johnston Co. NC). He was a veteran of the American Revolution having signed up in Wake Co., NC and in Johnston Co. NC--the little tip of land in Johnston Co. at one time was in Wake or vice versa, depending on time frame. I think this James Hall might be the father of my ZILPHA HALL (B.about 1798 in Wake or Johnston Co., NC). She married Alsey PACE in Johnston Co. NC in 1820 and they were living next door to James Hall in 1820 census. She named a child Edy and that is a clue. However, when her "brothers" Reddick and Green Hall applied for their father's American Revolution pension at the death of their mother Edea Hall in 1848, Zilpha was not among the children they listed (they said all children besides themselves were deceased, which I find hard to believe). By that time they were in Coweta Co. NC and there was a BIRD DELK living there. In the 1860 Coweta Co. GA census, Reddick/Riddick Hall and wife Jane___ lived next door to a JOSEPH DELK (age probably 51 but hard to read) and wife Elender age 47. Their children were Joseph (28), Thomas (18), Delsa (13), William (24), and James (14). I am not certain of these names because census is hard to read--I can send it to you if you wish. I wonder if you know anything of the Jacob Delk who was the father of Edea/Edy Delk Hall? I think perhaps she went to Coweta Co. GA with her sons before her death but can't be certain. I have the Rev. Pension papers of James Hall, showing his wife EDEA as the daughter of Jacob DELK. Betty Pace

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HI Carla , In reading this , I noticed you are researching the Massey line . My maiden name was Massey I descended from John and Lydia Massey who lived in Haywood County. John was a rev war soldier. I believe he was also related to a Hezikiah Massey of Granville county. Does any of this sound familar? Chris Massey McGahee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Tate" <tategenie@hotmail.com> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Wake Co. marriage licenses > > The reason the Archives form probably says they have marriage records up > to > 1868 is that it is not normal for counties to send their actual marriage > licenses after 1868 to the Archives; they usually retain them in the > county. > Laura Riddick, the Wake Co. Register of Deeds, is a former Archives > employee. When she needs space in her office, she send her older stuff to > the Archives, which is just a few blocks away. She has done this with all > the older deedbooks. This is a real problem with the deedbooks, because > the > Archives has had to store them offsite. It took me over a year to get > access to the actual deedbooks, and the microfilm of them at the Archives, > the Family History Center and the Register of Deeds office is unreadable > in > many, many cases. I finally got my favorite archivist to agree for me to > E-mail him with the numbers of the deedbooks I wanted, and he went in his > pickup to the other building (closed to the public), picked them up and > brought them to the Archives for me to transcribe (for my Massey book). I > found that in 98% of the cases I could read the original deeds when I > could > not read the microfilm. > > I did not know that the Register of Deeds office had retained copies of > the > marriage licenses on microfilm and have not seen the microfilm myself. > But > I routinely seek out the original documents anyway beause of the reading > problems mentioned in the previous paragraphs. The original Wake Co. > marriage licenses up through 1930 are now at the Archives (although they > probably aren't for most other counties). These are also probably there > on > microfilm; when the Archives microfilms records I think they usually give > a > microfilm copy to the original office that sent them the records; and I > KNOW > the Family History Library does that. > > One other thing. I have found A FEW marriage licenses listed in the > indices > at the Register of Deeds that do not exist at the Archives (or are grossly > misfiled). (This is not usual.) In most counties where I've researched in > NC, the original marriage licenses are available for anyone to pull in > cabinets, and the Register of Deeds in Franklin Co. has talked to me about > her concern that people will steal the documents (there is no staff > working > in the room where the licenses are stored) or misfile them when they put > them back. I recommended to her that they send them to the Archives where > staff are very careful about keeping control of the documents. The last > time I was there (several months ago), she had not done so. In Franklin > Co. > and in Johnston Co. I have found at last 2 deedbooks that have disappeared > that the Registers did not know were missing. These deedbooks have been > microfilmed, but when the microfilm cannot be read, this is really > disconcerting. > > The Family History Library is in the process of digitizing its microfilm > to > put this stuff online. I hope to see this in my lifetime. > > Carla Tate > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks everyone for your help! Tee Deloris Williams <delwilliams@insightbb.com> wrote: Joanne, The Archives does have copies of the marriage bonds & licenses for all of the years prior to 1930, maybe afterward, too. I think what is confusing everyone is the differences between the Bonds and the licenses. As Carla mentioned, Bonds were required up until about 1868, and afterwards, they only issued licenses, no bonds. The bonds are indexed in many places online including Ancestry.com, and most of the copies are available at the State Archives, some of those early bonds also include copies of any licenses that may have been issued, too. But after 1868, you will only find licenses, and they are indexed at the Archives. In addition, most of the Counties that I have dealt with, also have a marriage register with the marriage info just as Carla is also referring to. The forms to request copies of records from the Archives are for ordering any kinds of records that are available there. A complete listing of what is available for which county can be found here: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/FindingAids/co_guide.pdf Scroll down to the county of choice. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Gaudio" To: Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Availability of Wake County Marriage Licenses > Carla, you know more about how the Archives work than just about anyone, > and > I know your advice is excellent. However, it does say on that request > form > that the Archives has for us to print out on their website that their > marriages go up to 1868! I've always thought they meant the marriage > bonds, > which did end around then I think, but as I said to Tee, I've certainly > gotten later marriages by just writing in the dates I wanted. I wish > they'd > redo their form! > Joanne Gaudio > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.

Thanks Carla for all the information. It distresses me no end to find that Wake Co has turned over the old deed books to the archives. By you own admission it nearly impossible for one to weiw them there. Fortunately some of the county's still keep there old deed books and they are an invaluable source of information. I find it much easier to read the old deed books because most of the microfilm at the archives is unreadable. I have an ancestor that bought land in Wake Co in the 1792. The original deed is lost and I hoped to get to read a copy in the wake County deed book. But if they are now owned by the archives it unlikely that I will ever get a copy.

The reason the Archives form probably says they have marriage records up to 1868 is that it is not normal for counties to send their actual marriage licenses after 1868 to the Archives; they usually retain them in the county. Laura Riddick, the Wake Co. Register of Deeds, is a former Archives employee. When she needs space in her office, she send her older stuff to the Archives, which is just a few blocks away. She has done this with all the older deedbooks. This is a real problem with the deedbooks, because the Archives has had to store them offsite. It took me over a year to get access to the actual deedbooks, and the microfilm of them at the Archives, the Family History Center and the Register of Deeds office is unreadable in many, many cases. I finally got my favorite archivist to agree for me to E-mail him with the numbers of the deedbooks I wanted, and he went in his pickup to the other building (closed to the public), picked them up and brought them to the Archives for me to transcribe (for my Massey book). I found that in 98% of the cases I could read the original deeds when I could not read the microfilm. I did not know that the Register of Deeds office had retained copies of the marriage licenses on microfilm and have not seen the microfilm myself. But I routinely seek out the original documents anyway beause of the reading problems mentioned in the previous paragraphs. The original Wake Co. marriage licenses up through 1930 are now at the Archives (although they probably aren't for most other counties). These are also probably there on microfilm; when the Archives microfilms records I think they usually give a microfilm copy to the original office that sent them the records; and I KNOW the Family History Library does that. One other thing. I have found A FEW marriage licenses listed in the indices at the Register of Deeds that do not exist at the Archives (or are grossly misfiled). (This is not usual.) In most counties where I've researched in NC, the original marriage licenses are available for anyone to pull in cabinets, and the Register of Deeds in Franklin Co. has talked to me about her concern that people will steal the documents (there is no staff working in the room where the licenses are stored) or misfile them when they put them back. I recommended to her that they send them to the Archives where staff are very careful about keeping control of the documents. The last time I was there (several months ago), she had not done so. In Franklin Co. and in Johnston Co. I have found at last 2 deedbooks that have disappeared that the Registers did not know were missing. These deedbooks have been microfilmed, but when the microfilm cannot be read, this is really disconcerting. The Family History Library is in the process of digitizing its microfilm to put this stuff online. I hope to see this in my lifetime. Carla Tate _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

Joanne, The Archives does have copies of the marriage bonds & licenses for all of the years prior to 1930, maybe afterward, too. I think what is confusing everyone is the differences between the Bonds and the licenses. As Carla mentioned, Bonds were required up until about 1868, and afterwards, they only issued licenses, no bonds. The bonds are indexed in many places online including Ancestry.com, and most of the copies are available at the State Archives, some of those early bonds also include copies of any licenses that may have been issued, too. But after 1868, you will only find licenses, and they are indexed at the Archives. In addition, most of the Counties that I have dealt with, also have a marriage register with the marriage info just as Carla is also referring to. The forms to request copies of records from the Archives are for ordering any kinds of records that are available there. A complete listing of what is available for which county can be found here: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/FindingAids/co_guide.pdf Scroll down to the county of choice. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Gaudio" <jgaudio@charter.net> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Availability of Wake County Marriage Licenses > Carla, you know more about how the Archives work than just about anyone, > and > I know your advice is excellent. However, it does say on that request > form > that the Archives has for us to print out on their website that their > marriages go up to 1868! I've always thought they meant the marriage > bonds, > which did end around then I think, but as I said to Tee, I've certainly > gotten later marriages by just writing in the dates I wanted. I wish > they'd > redo their form! > Joanne Gaudio > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM

Tee, I don't know who you may have spoken with at the Wake Co. Register of Deeds Office, but you CAN obtain a photocopy of the marriage record - whatever the year, be it the bonds which run up to 1868, or the licenses that begin thereafter - from the Wake Co. RofD office. While the *original* bonds & licenses prior to 1930 are stored at State Archives, the Wake Co. RofD office DOES maintain those records on microfilm (as stated on the website) and can (and will) make photocopies from the microfilms. Uncertified copies are listed as 15- cents. Please visit this webpage for details: http://web.co.wake.nc.us/rdeeds/faq-general.htm#Marriage%20license% 20copies states: "Original marriage records from 1931 to present are stored in our office. Original marriage records from 1800 to 1930 are stored at State Archives (733-3952). However, microfilm copies of the older records are available in our office." ------ If that is not the information you were given, then re-contact the office and ask to speak specifically with Register of Deeds Laura Riddick (919-856-5460), or email Ms. Riddick at: lriddick@co.wake.nc.us Hope this helps, Sandy On May 20, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Tee Richardson wrote: > I did contact Register of deeds. I received one marriage license > for 1933, but, was advised to contact Achives for the marriage > license 1869-1929. When I contacted Achives the response was they > only had marriage cert to 1868. If I am out of state a charge of > $20 for each. Also, Achives provided a list of people that might > be willing to search for a fee, I'll check into that later. >

Carla, you know more about how the Archives work than just about anyone, and I know your advice is excellent. However, it does say on that request form that the Archives has for us to print out on their website that their marriages go up to 1868! I've always thought they meant the marriage bonds, which did end around then I think, but as I said to Tee, I've certainly gotten later marriages by just writing in the dates I wanted. I wish they'd redo their form! Joanne Gaudio

Yes, Tee. The Archives has no slack on the fee! If you live out of state, it's $20 a pop, and if they search and find nothing, you're still out the $20, so be sure you know the marriage is there before you send the money! Good luck. Joanne Gaudio