I am interested in the names of the children of Rebecca H. Sutherland and Priestly Mangum. I, also, am interested in Ransom Sutherland's second wife, Elizabeth. Please get in touch with me if you know of this family. Many thanks.

Sandy, I was thinking the very same thing. (LOL) I can only imagine what kind of report must have been filed to get them committed. Deloris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy" <teylu@earthlink.net> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Records of Dix Hospital > Don't you just wonder who caught them in the act.... .and reported them? > And what "proof" was supplied if the accused denied it? ;-) > Mercy. > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:12 PM, HEW4010@aol.com wrote: > >> and men >> were put there for masturbating. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 > 11:54 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM

In a message dated 6/28/2007 5:13:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HEW4010@aol.com writes: You know they used to put women in insane asylums that were going though menopause, people though they were insane ( I can relate to that LOL ), and men were put there for masturbating. If you look at the census for patients at Nix Hill in Wake Co, it will show you why they are there most of the time. Helen Ennis Williams I meant Dix Hill. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

You know they used to put women in insane asylums that were going though menopause, people though they were insane ( I can relate to that LOL ), and men were put there for masturbating. If you look at the census for patients at Nix Hill in Wake Co, it will show you why they are there most of the time. Helen Ennis Williams ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Does anyone know if there is any records on the burials in the old Dorothea Dix Hospital Cemetery which is located in Dix Hill? Sam West

Don't you just wonder who caught them in the act.... .and reported them? And what "proof" was supplied if the accused denied it? ;-) Mercy. On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:12 PM, HEW4010@aol.com wrote: > and men > were put there for masturbating.

There is no 1810 & 1820 census available on any of the genealogy websites because they don't exist; that is to say they are lost and no one has access to them. The closest one can get is the 1819 & 1825 Wake County Tax lists, which will have to serve as substitutes for anyone researching those census years. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: <CNCanady@aol.com> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] Censuses > George, > > Try checking Ancestry.com, I believe I found them there. > > C. Canady > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 > 11:54 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM

I had a relative who died while in Bryce Hospital outside Tuscaloosa, Alabama. When I was looking for info for her, I wrote the hospital... and for a fee got a copy of her complete medical records, along with copies of personal letters that had been written to her. Seem to remember that the person you were researching had to have died at least 50 years ago, and you had to show you were surviving kin. Just thought I 'd past this along, other places may provide the same sort of records. Bill ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

George, Try checking Ancestry.com, I believe I found them there. C. Canady ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Some records of Dix Hospital (through about 1930 if I remember correctly) are available at the Archives. However, by state law, many records are permanently closed to the public. This would include the medical records files of patients. There are several categories of exceptions, one of which is for study by psychological professionals. Death certificates for patients at the hospital are available through normal sources. I was looking for the reason that a certain woman was a patient; I found it on her death certificate where she was listed as mentally retarded. Other states have different state laws regarding this information and (the federal) HIPAA may come into play too (I have not researched this.) Carla Tate _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm

Can anyone explain what happened to the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Wake County? I have searched all the usual sources, and they are not shown. Thanks, Hunter George

Wake County has a lot of missing records, among them the 1810 & 1820 Census. Some of the early County Court records are also missing, for an unknown reason. Several of the early deed books for Wake were destroyed in an office fire in 1832 in the County Register's office. Wake County also did not return a State Census conducted for 1784, where some counties only responded by 1786. Other Counties where the 1810 census were lost are Craven, Greene, & New Hanover; others lost for 1820 were Currituck, Franklin, Martin, Montgomery & Randolph. I don't know if anyone else has ever heard of an exact reason for this, but there are a few other resources that might help in researching those years for Wake County. Take a look at what's available at the following websites, some of which have actual scanned or abstracted copies of the Tax Lists that are available: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncwake/archives.htm#add http://www.censusfinder.com/north-carolina-census12.htm Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: <GeorgeHortonFam@cs.com> To: <NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: [NCWAKE] Censuses > Can anyone explain what happened to the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Wake > County? I have searched all the usual sources, and they are not shown. > > Thanks, > Hunter George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 > 11:54 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM

It appears that the records of Dix Hospital are in the State Records, Record Group #96. Dorothea Dix Hospital Record Group Title: Dorothea Dix Hospital Record Group Provenance: Class: State Records [Collection] Creator: Dorothea Dix Hospital State Hospital at Raleigh Central Hospital for the Insane Insane Asylum MARS Id: 96 (Group) Associated Agencies: Dept. of Human Resources (MARS # 91) The finding aids for these records are in binders in the archives and should give the actual scope of what patient records the archives may or may not hold. Good luck! I have found it a mixed challenge in other states to access these records. Many from the 1800s have not survived and if they have, they provide wonderful information and sometimes photos if later in the 19th century! Diane :-) Diane L. Richard Mosaic Research and Project Management Member of Association of Professional Genealogists Listed researcher at North Carolina State Archives/Library and UNC-CH Wilson Library dianelrichard@mosaicrpm.com 919-231-8137 fax: 919-255-9528 www.mosaicrpm.com/Genealogy

I have requested records from Dorothea Dix for someone in my family and they weren't as far back as the 1800's. This direct relative of mine was deceased but I still had to provide proof of relation and a signed consent form. They told me that records from 1936-1965 had been sent to the Archives and History in 1972 but after checking with them, that those records had been transferred back to Dorothea Dix and they had been destroyed. They said the state requires they retain records for 25 yrs. after the last discharge date. The only thing I received were copies of 2 cards with admission dates, a "correspondent" w/address, county of residence, discharge date and diagnosis. Something is better than nothing I suppose. Such a shame for those of us trying to uncover family information. I don't know about the records from the 1880's but I would think you should be able to get them, if they are available. I would definitely write them (they move later this year or early next year) to see what, if anything, is available. Good Luck! Marie Cooke

Care facilities in NC (the only state where I've inquired) vary in their response. One orphanage willingly gave me intake records for my relatives, whereas another one would only confirm the person's presence - I'd have had to provide a death certificate to get anything more. Both of these were private. Duke University Hospital checked with their legal department when I asked about some old records and were apparently told it was OK to provide information, because they came back to me with the info that there was no record to be found! State hospitals, on the other hand, might be more reticent. Having worked for such a faciltiy once in another state, I know that they can be bound by rules and regs that don't necessarily cover private institutions. There are also sometimes legal proceedings involved which may be sealed. I'd suggest you write (or email) the institution in question, explain what and why you want to know, give the necessary background info on the relative, and see what they say. It never hurts to ask! Joanne Gaudio

Not sure that this will help you but a relative in our family wrote to "The State Hospital for the Insane" in Columbia,SC who died 1915 (her 80th birthday). We got the information by telling them it was for genealogy information. Wow, what a treasure! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi, I know that the Federal Government will not release censuses until 72 years after the census was taken in order to guard the personal and medical information which it contains, i.e. diagnoses like "lunatic", "idiot", etc.... My question is what about the records of state hospitals like Doretha Dix which dates back to the 1800s. I work in the Public Health field and have seen some older "social evaluations" of some patients. These Social Evaluations go into great detail, i.e. giving names of parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, etc... giving social economical information and telling about the environment in which they lived [a pot of gold for genealogist]. Now I know that these mental health records are under a protected class of records due to their sensitive nature, but what I would like to know is will they ever age out as the census records does and then become available for research??? I have been told that one of my early relatives was admitted to Doretha Dix Hospital back in the middle 1800s, and if I could at least get hold of copies of the social evaluations, then maybe some of my unanswered questions could be answered. Also, I am sure that they would have information on those inmates who died on the Hill back in the 1800s as well. Who knows, maybe it will help me understand why I am a Genealogy Nut! Think about, help if you can! Sam West Lumberton, Robeson Co NC

Thank you for the response. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Tate" <tategenie@hotmail.com> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] William Bailey Royall > His burial place should be listed on his death certificate which you can > order from the Wake Co. Register of Deeds Office in Raleigh or look at on > microfilm available through any Family History Library. > > Carla Tate > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for the response. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Mitchell Maher" <pmitchell4328@sbcglobal.net> To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [NCWAKE] William Bailey Royall and Sara Jane Hall > Stephen, > All I could find for you in my files was a Robert Gibson Royall born 31 > Oct > 1916. He married Doris Louise O'Neal. They were from Wake Forest, NC. My > line is connected to the O'Neal wife. > Phyllis > pmitchell4328@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "StephenPearsall" <scpearsall@bellsouth.net> > To: <ncwake@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <nccolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 1:51 PM > Subject: [NCWAKE] William Bailey Royall and Sara Jane Hall > > >>I am looking to find the final resting place of William Bailey Royall who >>died 27 Jan 1928 in Wake Forest. His wife died 5 Jun 1919. I would hope >>they are buried are the same location. He was Professor of Greek for many >>years at Wake Forest College when it was located in Wake Forest. >>Professor >>Royall married 6 Sep 1871, Sara Jane Hall, daughter of John William Hall >>and Margaret Sloan Sheffield of Hallsboro, Columbus Co, NC. >> >> They had four children. >> William Royall, John Hall Royall, Robert Henry Royall and James Bruce >> Royall. William died in Santa Monica, CA. John Hall Royall died in >> Philadelphia, PA. Robert Henry Royall died in Silver City, NM and James >> Bruce Royall died in Houston, TX. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Stephen Carroll Pearsall >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCWAKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Several recent postings have mentioned the Browne family of Virginia and North Carolina. The names in those postings do not seem to be in my family, but I feel it is likely that they were related to the earlier Browne family of Southampton and Surry Counties in Virginia. My family is believed to run as follows: Anne Browne, born circa 1661,in Surry Co, VA and died 1722; married Walter Flood, Sr. Her siblings were: Mary Browne, Jane Brone, William Browne, Jr, Henry Browne, and Priscilla Browne. She was a daughter of Lt Col William Browne, born 1640, died 1705; married Mary Browne in Surry Co, daughter of Col Henry Browne and Ann Freeman. He married (2nd) Elizabeth ?. William was a son of William Browne, born c1570; married Priscilla Shepherd, born c 1631. William was a son of Anthony Browne, born 22 July 1552 in Riverbank House, Bechworth Parish, Sussex, England, and died 29 June 1592 in the place of his birth; he married Mary Dormer c1555 in Eythorpe Paraish, Buckinghamshire, England, and died 1637 in Midhurst Parish, Suxxex, Englad. Anthony was a son of Anthony Browne, born c1527 in Cowdry Park By, Eastbourne, Sussex, England, and died 19 October 1592 in West Horsley Parish, Surrey, England. He married Jane Ratcliff, born 1532 in Cowdray Parish, Sussex, England. Anthony was a son of Anthony Browne, born c1506, and died 1548. He was the son of Anthony Browne and Lucy de Neville. He married Alice Gage, daughter of John Gage. The foregoing information was abstracted 24 June 2007 from the WorldConnect database "Ancestors of Richard S & Delores S (Green) Willey", which was submitted by Delores Willey. Tom Aiken Virginia Beach ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.