This may be a long shot but I looking for some help/advice: I am working on a project for my Aunt who will turn 85 on August 4th. As a surprise my cousins have asked to to put together her family tree. Her father abadoned her when she was 2 and moved west. I found him in the WWI Draft Registration in Payette, Idaho. Jacob Andrew Pitts was born on Feb. 7, 1879 in Connelly Springs, Burke County, NC. I know this is the Union County rootsweb but was hoping for direction. The 1880 census index is not available at familytreemaker.com ( I Subscribe). Nor at the NCgenweb. Allcensus has a backlog of 5 months on their census cd's. The research center at San Francisco State who have the rolls is 2 hours away - and I work full time and won't be ablt to get time off in the next few weeks. My next option is if there are any researchers who would do it for a fee. Any help/advice appreciated. Mary Holmes Cook

Perhaps this is correct. Gerald Helms Descendants of Thomas Allison Keziah 1 Thomas Allison Keziah 1818 - .. +Elizabeth Abigail Medlin Norket *2nd Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Dora Henry ......... 2 Doro Keziah Keziah ............. +Isac Newton Haigler *3rd Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Lydia Matthews *4th Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Elizabeth Ann (Betsy) Shelby 1837 - ......... 2 Coldwell Keziah 1856 - ......... 2 Mary Jane Keziah 1859 - ............. +John Skipper ......... 2 M. E. Keziah 1864 - ............. +E. L. Starnes 1863 - ......... 2 Frances Keziah 1874 - ............. +Isaac Newton Haigler 1873 - Did Frances Keziah also marry Isaac Newton Haigler? or was it Isaac Newton Haigler, Jr.????***************************************************** ......... 2 William Robert Keziah, Sr. ............. +Mary Helms .................... 3 William Robert Keziah, Jr. 1871 - ........................ +Elizabeth Wilson ............................... 4 William Robert Keziah III ........................................... 5 William Robert Keziah IV

His wife died in Decatur Co., TN - I assume he did also. Gerald Helms "He only deserves to be remembered by posterity, who treasures up and preserves the history of his Ancestry" Edmund Burke Visit the story of our search for the North Carolina Helms' ancestors: <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc "> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc</A> Or the Fredericksburg Civil War Cemetery list at: <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/FredCWCEM ">http:// freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/FredCWCEM</A> The Pressley Web Site <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eddunn/preslar/index.htm">h ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eddunn/preslar/index.htm</A> <A HREF="[email protected]">[email protected]</A> The Ireland Connection <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/helmsireland.html ">The Ireland Connection for the Helms Family</A> Military Records: The archives contains a number of important records relating to military affairs. It should be emphasized however, that most extant military records for all wars from the Revolution to 1900 are preserved in the National Archives, Washington, DC 20408. Vital Statistics: Birth/Death records wer not kept in NC before October 1913. For all birth and death certificates after 1945, write Vital Records Section P.O. Box 2953, Raleigh, NC 27626-0537 giving full name of individual county of birth/death enclosing $10.00 for each copy. For birth certificates give full name of parents including mother's maiden name. Must be given for death certificates from 1913 thru 1945. Good Luck - let me know the next ancestor's name; if you find it. The North Carolina State Archives enclosing $8.00 search and handling fee. Department of Cultural resources Division Of Archives and History Archives and records section Raleigh, NC 27601-2807 To purchase copies of The Union Co., Census 1850 - 1870 contact: = $20.00 for each copy Mrs Nancy Simpson 453 Lakewood Dr. Wilkesboro, NC 28697 Telephone 336-921-3560 Here's a tip you may not know - Birth -Marriage - certificates. Enter the name of the state in your browser along with the words Vital Records - a web page will appear with instructions to do what you want. The address for The Carolinas Genealogical society and Historical Society: P.O. Box 397 Monroe, NC 28111

Hi, gang. This is FYI, I suppose. Dora was the daughter of Thomas Allison Keziah b. 1837 and am not really sure which wife at this point. Doing further research. He did have 4 wives, but not sure in which order. Anyway, Dora married a man named Isaac Newton Haigler/Hagler. Thought the story was interesting. JOYOUS Lancaster County, SC Bios [ Read Responses | Post a New Response | Return to the Index (Use 'Back' if from a search list) ] [ Previous | Next ] http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/SC/LancasterBios?read=45 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sally New River Posted by Louise Pettus on Sun, 03 Jan 1999 Surname: New River, Haigler, Toole Witty and shrewd, she had the ability to gain the admiration of an assortment of people including her fellow Indians, an eminent architect, a college professor, and the Scotch-Irish settlers of her neighborhood. Known as Sally, or "Aunt Sally" in her old age, she was born near the Horseshoe Bend of Sugar Creek, a tributary of the Catawba River, sometime around the year 1745. Her mother was most likely the daughter of the famed King Haigler, best known of all the Catawba chiefs. Her father was Matthew Toole, a white man of considerable skills who was a representative of the South Carolina Council, trader, soldier, and interpreter (or 'linguister'). Tools Fork, a York County stream was named for him. Not much is known of Sally's youth. She managed to survive the severe smallpox epidemic of 1759, probably unscathed, since she was described as "beautiful" in youth. She was a spectator, in 1760, when the British red coats built the North Carolina fort at present-day Fort Mill. She learned to speak English "pretty well." In 1763, with the Treaty of Augusta, the Catawbas signed a treaty guaranteeing them 144,000 acres, an area 15 miles square, in what is now portions of York, Lancaster and Chester counties. Sally married Gen. New River whose real name he refused to divulge preferring to be called "New River" for a West Virginia battle in which he gained distinction by killing the chief of the Shawnee tribe. In the American Revolution, New River, recently made chief of the Catawbas, and already an old man, served with 40 other Catawba warriors under Gen. William R. Davie of Thomas Sumter's forces. In 1780 the feared British Gen. Lord Cornwallis' forces threatened the Catawba reservation after the defeat of Gates of Camden. New River led the Catawba women and children, a group that undoubtedly included Sally, to Virginia to stay with a friendly tribe. When the Catawbas returned from their exile they found their villages destroyed and livestock vanished. New towns were built further up the river. Apparently he and Sally lived at one called Turkey Head in Lancaster County. Sally New River, as queen, was entitled to wear a distinctive silver eagle ornament around her neck. Like most Catawbas, she probably also wore a silver nose ring. A favorite frontier story involved Sally and a newly arrived Irishman who feared snakes above all else. According to the story, on a cold, snowy night in a frontier tavern, Sally shared an Indian 'secret' for subduing snakes. She advised that a long limber pole be cut and carried and, if a snake should pop out, he would be so frightened he would pop back in his hole. One can imagine the glee with which the frontier people circulated the story about the Irishman, at the instigation of Sally New River, carrying a long pole through the blizzard. Sally New River's shrewdness is evidenced in several ways. As Professor Blackburn of South Carolina College told the story, Sally with other Catawbas, was shown a magnetic compass. The professor played a trick on the Indians by also having a small penknife in his hand, thus moving the needle. When the professor challenged his audience to do the same, Sally first attempted to move the needle with a stick and then, spying the professor's knife, brought out her flint and showed the professor she could not be easily misled. More significant than the incident with the compass was Sally's foresight in reserving an area of about 550 acres of prime river land in Lancaster County still known as King's Bottoms. She reserved the area for "Sally New River her with other women of the Nation themselves their heirs successors, or assigns forever . . . " She had the document signed by Gen. New River, other head men of the tribe, and by four of the state-appointed land commissioners in the year 1796. The deed was recorded in the Lancaster Court House in 1808, four years after the death of Gen. New River. A child of two very different cultures, this 'remarkable personage,' as Robert Mills described her, died in the winter of 1818-19 in her primitive cabin at Turkey Head on the banks of the Catawba River in present-day Indian Land township.

Here is a correction on the Haney Family Tree Mary Agnes "Aggie" Haney did not marry William S. Eason. William S. Eason married her sister Anna Haney Descendants of Anna Haney 1 Anna Haney 1836 - 1868 . +William S. Eason 1834 - 1933 b in Union County, NC ..... 2 James R. Eason 1856 - 1933 b in Union County, NC ......... +Laura Thompson 1863 - 1933 ............ 3 Ada Eason 1882 - ............ 3 Beacher(?) Eason 1893 - ............ 3 Viola Eason 1896 - ............ 3 Victor Will Eason 1900 - ............ 3 Daisy Eason 1902 - ..... 2 Mary E. Eason 1857 - b in Union County, NC ......... +M .F. Huntley 1859 - ..... 2 Emeline Eason 1860 - ..... 2 Hannah Jean Eason 1862 - b in Union County, NC ......... +Jacob M. Philmon 1857 - ..... 2 Sarah Eason 1868 - Ken Eason

TO NORMA MATTHEWS : There is a folder on this family in the Heritage Room, Monroe, NC that will give you the names, dates, etc. on this family. I suggest you call or write to them and ask for this information to be copied and sent to you. They charge $.25 per page plus postage. The website for more info on the HR can be accessed at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncunion/union.htm Scroll down to the Heritage Room and click on their site.

Thanks for the HANEY info. Any idea when and where Hardy HANEY died? What source of information tells us he died in 1880? Thanks a bunch! Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [NCUNION] NC to ARK > Descendants of Benjamin Haney > > 1 Benjamin Haney 1747/48 - 1810 > ......... 2 Hezekiah Haney 1770 - > ............. +Unk Spears 1770 - > .................... 3 David B. Haney 1798 - 1840 > .................... 3 Hardy Haney 1801 - 1880 > .................... 3 William Spears "Billy" Haney 1803 - 1884 > ........................ +Sarah Elizabeth Marsh 1812 - 1872 > ............................... 4 David James Haney 1832 - 1864 > ................................... +Margaret Jane Rogers 1830 - > ........................................... 5 James Ellison Haney 1850 - > ........................................... 5 David Ebenezer Haney 1856 - > ............................................... +Nancy Hasty 1849 - > ........................................... 5 William Rogers Haney 1857 - > ........................................... 5 Elizabeth N. Haney 1859 - > ........................................... 5 Martha Haney 1863 - > ........................................... 5 Christina Jane Haney 1864 - > ............................... 4 Lucinda Elizabeth (Lucy) Haney 1837 - > 1902 > ................................... +Thomas Lee Eason 1835 - 1913 > ........................................... 5 Lydia A. Eason 1856 - > ............................................... +Jasper Lee Rogers 1860 - > ........................................... 5 Hardy H. Eason 1858 - > ............................................... +Sarah Frances Medlin > 1856 - > ........................................... 5 Sarah Hannah Eason 1860 - > 1925 > ........................................... 5 John Eason 1862 - > ........................................... 5 Lucinda (Lucy) Eason 1864 - > ........................................... 5 Emeline (Emma) Eason 1866 - > ........................................... 5 Pavinett ? Eason 1870 - > ............................... 4 Mary Agnes "Aggie" Haney 1839 - 1920 > ................................... +William S. Eason 1835 - > ........................................... 5 James R. Eason 1856 - > ............................................... +Laura Thompson 1862 - > ........................................... 5 M. E. Eason 1857 - > ............................................... +Millard F. Huntley 1857 - > ........................................... 5 Hannah Jean Eason 1861 - > 1911 > ............................................... +Jacob Mosley Philemon > 1855 - 1931 > ............................... *2nd Husband of Mary Agnes "Aggie" Haney: > ................................... +Samuel Jernigan Haney 1837 - 1914 > ........................................... 5 Lucy Jane Haney > ........................................... 5 Joe Haney > ........................................... 5 Julia Haney > ........................................... 5 Sarah Margaret Haney 1865 - > ............................................... +Owen Pope 1841 - 1914 > ........................................... 5 Alice Haney 1867 - 1928 > ............................................... +Parks T. Hornback 1867 > - 1942 > ........................................... 5 James W. "Jimmy" Haney 1869 > - 1953 > ............................................... +Dora Florence Newsome > 1875 - > ...................................................... 6 Carroll Haney > ...................................................... 6 Curtis Haney > 1918 - > .......................................................... +Ruth Helms > 1918 - > ................................................................. 7 Ray > Haney > ................................................................. 7 > Brenda Haney > ................................................................. 7 Tina > Haney > ........................................... 5 Rilla Haney 1874 - 1953 > ............................................... +Alvin Helms 1884 - > 1961 > ........................................... 5 John Thomas Haney 1876 - > 1967 > ............................................... +Lessie Jane Nash 1880 > - 1955 > ...................................................... 6 Ona Mae Haney > 1907 - > .......................................................... +Hoyle Blair > Pope 1906 - 1986 > ............................... 4 Louisa V. Haney 1841 - 1921 > ........................................... 5 Mahala Haney 1860 - > ........................................... 5 Thomas Sidney Haney 1865 - > 1950 > ............................................... +Esther Ann Griffin 1872 > - 1927 > ............................... 4 Norfleet B. Haney 1845 - 1879 > ................................... +Winnifred E. (Winney) Tadlock 1839 - > ........................................... 5 Sterling R. Haney > ........................................... 5 Samantha R. Haney > ........................................... 5 Mary E. Haney > ........................................... 5 Rebecca A. Haney 1868 - > ........................................... 5 Sarah F. Haney 1869 - > ............................... 4 Eli H. Haney 1847 - 1864 > ............................... 4 Sarah Rebecca "Becky" Haney 1849 - > ............................... 4 William Morris Haney 1849 - 1922 > ................................... +Sarah Elizabeth (Bettie) Harrington > 1849 - 1918 > ........................................... 5 James Walter Haney 1871 - > 1936 > ............................................... +Nancy Jane "Nannie" > Newsome 1876 - 1956 > ...................................................... 6 Ronnie Lee Haney > 1901 - 1917 > ........................................... 5 Edmond H. Haney 1873 - 1950 > ............................................... +Bertha Nash 1880 - > 1957 > ........................................... 5 Ellis Frank Haney 1875 - > 1944 > ............................................... +Delila E. "Lillie" > Thomas 1881 - 1970 > ...................................................... 6 Bonnie C. Haney > 1917 - 1918 > ........................................... 5 Dora E. Haney 1879 - 1935 > ............................................... +V. Bedford Parker 1876 > - 1928 > ............................... 4 Rosannah Margaret (Rosy) Haney 1852 - > ............................... 4 Nancy J. Haney 1854 - 1927 >

Descendants of Benjamin Haney 1 Benjamin Haney 1747/48 - 1810 ......... 2 Hezekiah Haney 1770 - ............. +Unk Spears 1770 - .................... 3 David B. Haney 1798 - 1840 .................... 3 Hardy Haney 1801 - 1880 .................... 3 William Spears "Billy" Haney 1803 - 1884 ........................ +Sarah Elizabeth Marsh 1812 - 1872 ............................... 4 David James Haney 1832 - 1864 ................................... +Margaret Jane Rogers 1830 - ........................................... 5 James Ellison Haney 1850 - ........................................... 5 David Ebenezer Haney 1856 - ............................................... +Nancy Hasty 1849 - ........................................... 5 William Rogers Haney 1857 - ........................................... 5 Elizabeth N. Haney 1859 - ........................................... 5 Martha Haney 1863 - ........................................... 5 Christina Jane Haney 1864 - ............................... 4 Lucinda Elizabeth (Lucy) Haney 1837 - 1902 ................................... +Thomas Lee Eason 1835 - 1913 ........................................... 5 Lydia A. Eason 1856 - ............................................... +Jasper Lee Rogers 1860 - ........................................... 5 Hardy H. Eason 1858 - ............................................... +Sarah Frances Medlin 1856 - ........................................... 5 Sarah Hannah Eason 1860 - 1925 ........................................... 5 John Eason 1862 - ........................................... 5 Lucinda (Lucy) Eason 1864 - ........................................... 5 Emeline (Emma) Eason 1866 - ........................................... 5 Pavinett ? Eason 1870 - ............................... 4 Mary Agnes "Aggie" Haney 1839 - 1920 ................................... +William S. Eason 1835 - ........................................... 5 James R. Eason 1856 - ............................................... +Laura Thompson 1862 - ........................................... 5 M. E. Eason 1857 - ............................................... +Millard F. Huntley 1857 - ........................................... 5 Hannah Jean Eason 1861 - 1911 ............................................... +Jacob Mosley Philemon 1855 - 1931 ............................... *2nd Husband of Mary Agnes "Aggie" Haney: ................................... +Samuel Jernigan Haney 1837 - 1914 ........................................... 5 Lucy Jane Haney ........................................... 5 Joe Haney ........................................... 5 Julia Haney ........................................... 5 Sarah Margaret Haney 1865 - ............................................... +Owen Pope 1841 - 1914 ........................................... 5 Alice Haney 1867 - 1928 ............................................... +Parks T. Hornback 1867 - 1942 ........................................... 5 James W. "Jimmy" Haney 1869 - 1953 ............................................... +Dora Florence Newsome 1875 - ...................................................... 6 Carroll Haney ...................................................... 6 Curtis Haney 1918 - .......................................................... +Ruth Helms 1918 - ................................................................. 7 Ray Haney ................................................................. 7 Brenda Haney ................................................................. 7 Tina Haney ........................................... 5 Rilla Haney 1874 - 1953 ............................................... +Alvin Helms 1884 - 1961 ........................................... 5 John Thomas Haney 1876 - 1967 ............................................... +Lessie Jane Nash 1880 - 1955 ...................................................... 6 Ona Mae Haney 1907 - .......................................................... +Hoyle Blair Pope 1906 - 1986 ............................... 4 Louisa V. Haney 1841 - 1921 ........................................... 5 Mahala Haney 1860 - ........................................... 5 Thomas Sidney Haney 1865 - 1950 ............................................... +Esther Ann Griffin 1872 - 1927 ............................... 4 Norfleet B. Haney 1845 - 1879 ................................... +Winnifred E. (Winney) Tadlock 1839 - ........................................... 5 Sterling R. Haney ........................................... 5 Samantha R. Haney ........................................... 5 Mary E. Haney ........................................... 5 Rebecca A. Haney 1868 - ........................................... 5 Sarah F. Haney 1869 - ............................... 4 Eli H. Haney 1847 - 1864 ............................... 4 Sarah Rebecca "Becky" Haney 1849 - ............................... 4 William Morris Haney 1849 - 1922 ................................... +Sarah Elizabeth (Bettie) Harrington 1849 - 1918 ........................................... 5 James Walter Haney 1871 - 1936 ............................................... +Nancy Jane "Nannie" Newsome 1876 - 1956 ...................................................... 6 Ronnie Lee Haney 1901 - 1917 ........................................... 5 Edmond H. Haney 1873 - 1950 ............................................... +Bertha Nash 1880 - 1957 ........................................... 5 Ellis Frank Haney 1875 - 1944 ............................................... +Delila E. "Lillie" Thomas 1881 - 1970 ...................................................... 6 Bonnie C. Haney 1917 - 1918 ........................................... 5 Dora E. Haney 1879 - 1935 ............................................... +V. Bedford Parker 1876 - 1928 ............................... 4 Rosannah Margaret (Rosy) Haney 1852 - ............................... 4 Nancy J. Haney 1854 - 1927

I have a Hardy Haney but no dates. I do have his wife which may help. His wife was Elizabeth Caudle b. 9/29/1810 in Anson County, NC died about 1845 in Decatur Co., TN. Mary Sandra Lee wrote: > Mary, > > Do you have a Hardy HANEY in your files? If so, do you know when and where > he died? > > Thanks for your help. > > Sandra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:27 AM > Subject: [NCUNION] NC to ARK > > > I recently received a large file on my MURPHY family of Union Co., AR. In > > going through it, I found the following Union Co., NC people who married > into > > my Union Co AR., MURPHY family. They are: > > > > 1. Henry Wilson NASH, b. 12/13/1871, Monroe, Union Co NC, (son of Soloman > > NASH and Susan Elizabeth Greene) m. Eudoria Lucindia PERRY . Henry died. > Oct > > 25, 1941, Monroe, Ouachita Parish, LA. > > 2. Luther Sylvester HELMS, b. 5/21/1887, Wingate, NC, . (son of Benjamin > > Franklin HELMS, 1856-1926, and Mollie Tilisher FESTERMAN, 1864-1940 ) m. > > Annie Elizabeth MURPHY. Luther died 4/30/1944. > > > > As you probably know, many Union Co NC families removed to AR, including > my > > HANEY family. My MURPHY line is not from NC. > > > > I have more information about the families of the two NC people mentioned > > above. If they are related to you, let me know and I will be happy to send > it > > to you. > > > > Mary Nesbitt Garrison > > SC > > > >

Mary, Do you have a Hardy HANEY in your files? If so, do you know when and where he died? Thanks for your help. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: [NCUNION] NC to ARK > I recently received a large file on my MURPHY family of Union Co., AR. In > going through it, I found the following Union Co., NC people who married into > my Union Co AR., MURPHY family. They are: > > 1. Henry Wilson NASH, b. 12/13/1871, Monroe, Union Co NC, (son of Soloman > NASH and Susan Elizabeth Greene) m. Eudoria Lucindia PERRY . Henry died. Oct > 25, 1941, Monroe, Ouachita Parish, LA. > 2. Luther Sylvester HELMS, b. 5/21/1887, Wingate, NC, . (son of Benjamin > Franklin HELMS, 1856-1926, and Mollie Tilisher FESTERMAN, 1864-1940 ) m. > Annie Elizabeth MURPHY. Luther died 4/30/1944. > > As you probably know, many Union Co NC families removed to AR, including my > HANEY family. My MURPHY line is not from NC. > > I have more information about the families of the two NC people mentioned > above. If they are related to you, let me know and I will be happy to send it > to you. > > Mary Nesbitt Garrison > SC > >

In a message dated 7/4/2000 8:17:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << com >> Your three ladies were all wives of Thomas Allison Keziah as shown on following descendant tree. I have no listing of their Parents. Gerald Helms Descendants of Thomas Allison Keziah 1 Thomas Allison Keziah 1818 - .. +Elizabeth Abigail Medlin Norket *2nd Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Dora Henry *3rd Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Lydia Matthews *4th Wife of Thomas Allison Keziah: .. +Elizabeth Ann (Betsy) Shelby 1837 - ......... 2 Coldwell Keziah 1856 - ......... 2 Mary Jane Keziah 1859 - ............. +John Skipper ......... 2 M. E. Keziah 1864 - ............. +E. L. Starnes 1863 - ......... 2 Frances Keziah 1874 - ............. +Isaac Newton Haigler 1873 - ......... 2 William Robert Keziah, Sr. ............. +Mary Helms .................... 3 William Robert Keziah, Jr. 1871 - ........................ +Elizabeth Wilson ............................... 4 William Robert Keziah III ........................................... 5 William Robert Keziah IV

Norma W. Matthews I read in a Mecklenburg book of marriages (and naturally I can't remember which one) of a Josiah Winchester marrying Emmaline Helms ca 1844. I've also seen where an Emmaline Helms died in 1844. The Josiah Winchester in "my" family (s/o Billy D. and Polly Winchester, of Union Co.), was b.1825. I know his first born daughter was named Mary Emmaline, she was born in 1846. Josiah next married Mary Jane McCollum (in 1849) whose mother was a Cuthbertson. The McCollums and Josiah moved to Baker Co Ga. Josiah died in Summerville SC (of wounds received) in 1864. Mary Jane McCollum died and was buried in SC. Mary Emmaline died in Clark Co GA. I know this is "sketchy" but I'm trying to condense. Could someone please help me decipher just WHICH Emmaline Helms my Josiah was married to and when? Thank you... [email protected]

Right. And as previously mentioned on this list last year, there was the exodus of some Union families to Illinois and Indiana near the end of the War and a few years thereafter (ca 1864-1869). Some of those who went stayed, but some of the second-generations came back.

This is the route most of my ancestors took...it seems there should have been a deciding factor in choice of routes. Doris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Migration from Union County, NC to Arkansas Yep. Another was via SC, Georgia, Alabama, Miss and Texas

Hello, Is anyone familiar with: Dora Henry bc 1836 Union Co., NC Lydia Matthews same Elizabeth Abigail Medlin Norket same Actually names and dates are iffy. Thanks, JOY

Hi Anne: I am a descendant of Arthur and Elizabeth Allston Massey. I found out about my Allston heritage only about 4 weeks ago. I have 48 family files of related familes to my lineage, the MACKs, including two lines of Massey and the Allston. I will send copies if you want. Both my father and mother's lineages can be traced (on the Internet and from files of cousins) back to the Kings of England (and some France). I take these with a grain of salt and enjoy them as I cannot prove them myself. Sarah, the daughter of Arthur and Elizabeth Allston Massey, married William Cato and had a daughter named Roseann who married William Barret Travis, the commander of the Alamo in San Antonio, TX, while it was under seige in March 1836. Roseann is my 1st cousin, 3 times removed. It took me a long time but I finally found the lineage for my grandfather, William Jennings Massey b 1827 in Kenshaw Co, SC, d 1894 in Lewisville, Lafayette Co, AR, who married my grandmother Ella Geneva McCraw. I first started genealogy in 1995 and learned for myself the hard way. I developed my own format for recording lineges with Windows 98 Works Wordprocessor so they should be able to be used with most any wordprocessor. Do you know Susan Perrett in Australia who has a webb site for the Alston/Allston families.? My massey lines are Massey.1 for the descendancy of Arthur Massey and Massey.2 for descendency of Joane Daniell of England. Massey.1 is my fathers lineage and Massey.2 is my mother's lineage. I will send the files if you want and all 48 are open to you. Remember these are the files of my cousins out there who have done a lot of research and I will happily refer you to them as you want. I would love to have any and all of your lineage files. From the names you listed above I cannot help but think I have found another cousin. My wife's name is Shirley and we are retired. I retired from the computer profession, starting in 1953 with the early monsters. I was born and raised in McKinney, Collin Co, TX. My Mack and Perry ancestors migrated from McCains, Maury Co, TN in 1867 to get out from under the harsh treatment of the federal troops and carpetbaggers after the Civil War ended in 1865. Ray Mack Camarillo, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Anne Horton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: [NCUNION] Migration from Union County, NC to Arkansas : Could anyone tell me why these families moved, and the approximate time period. I : have Cato, Massey and Hilton relatives that went to Arkansas? Some went on to : Texas. Was that usual? : Thank you, : E. Anne Horton : :

There were earlier migrations from the Cabarrus-Stanley-Union-Anson area in the 1830's to Arkansas, considered an area of cheap virgin land. I have corresponded with some descendants of these early settlers. The 1840's saw another migration form the same area to Texas for the same reasons. Some stopped in Alabama and Mississippi for a period of time before going on to Texas. Jim Smith Julie Hampton Ganis & Ralph Ganis wrote: > I've sent some of these to the list before, but thought they may be of > interest to some new subscribers. Here are some interesting articles I found > in the Charlotte newspapers about migration to Arkansas and other points > "west." Gives some insight as to why people were migrating in such masses. > > The Charlotte News, January 7, 1890 > Still Leaving Union County. > A large party of white emigrants from Beaver Dam, Monroe and Ames', arrived > in the city last night on the Carolina Central passenger train. Their > baggage, amounting to a car load, came in on a freight train preceeding > (sic) the passenger train. There were 75 white people in the party, and they > were bound for Arkansas. This is the second party of white people to > emigrate from Union county within a few weeks past. > > Charlotte Chronicle, Jan 8, 1890 > MORE EMIGRANTS > The movement from North Carolina to the South and West Continues. > An emigrant train in charge of J.W. Hicks, passed through Charlotte Monday > night. There were two carloads of negroes and about 100 white people. One > man said that he had his wife, two sons and daughters, and 21 grand-children > along with him. The whites were from Union and Moore counties, and were on > their way to Texas and Arkansas. Another batch of emigrants passed through > yesterday morning. There were about 200 negroes and a few white families. > All of them were from the eastern counties, and were on their way to > Alabama. The negroes said that the exodus movement will continue active, and > that many more negroes will leave soon. They were in good spirits, and > seemed hopeful. > > Charlotte Chronicle, January 7, 1890 > EMIGRATION AGENTS > They Were Working in Charlotte Yesterday, and Made Some Converts. > Emigration agents have struck Charlotte. Yesterday all day long groups of > negroes could be seen at different places on the streets. They usually > surrounded a white man, who was constantly portraying, in a very impassioned > manner, the superior advantages and inducements offered by Arkansas and > other Southwestern States. A CHRONICLE reporter, in his rounds yesterday, > frequently stumbled upon the agent and his eager and interested hearers > (sic). Occasionally some of the negroes who are opposed to the emigration > movement would argue the question, but the glowing picture of the great > Southwest contrasted with what the agent called the depressed condition of > affairs in North Carolina, in many cases, convinced the darkies that the > objective point of the emigrant is far superior in every aspect to North > Carolina. > The agent began work in Charlotte yesterday, and the reporter learned that > some of the negroes are already seriously considering exodusting (sic). > The agent said that he wanted to establish a settlement in Woodruff county, > Arkansas, but that he will take emigrants to Mississippi, Alabama, or other > parts of Arkansas. He says that he wants to secure 50 white families, and > will take any number of negroes, from 50 to 500. Farms, provisions, and > railroad fare are offered on the same conditions upon which so many have > already gone. The agent may get enough negroes and whites, too, to fill his > orders, but many of the Charlotte negroes are averse to the idea of trying > the realities of the other side of the Mississippi. > > Charlotte-Home Democrat, Dec 25, 1885 > Came Back to Stay. > Messrs. F.L. CONDOR and John BROOM have recently returned from Arkansas with > their families, whither [sic] they imigrated about a year ago. One year was > enough to demonstrate to their satisfaction that Old Union County is > unrivalled by all the attractions of Arkansas. Monroe Enquirer. > > Hope this helps someone. > Julie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: E. Anne Horton <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:42 PM > Subject: [NCUNION] Migration from Union County, NC to Arkansas > > > Could anyone tell me why these families moved, and the approximate time > period. I > > have Cato, Massey and Hilton relatives that went to Arkansas? Some went on > to > > Texas. Was that usual? > > Thank you, > > E. Anne Horton > > > >

I've sent some of these to the list before, but thought they may be of interest to some new subscribers. Here are some interesting articles I found in the Charlotte newspapers about migration to Arkansas and other points "west." Gives some insight as to why people were migrating in such masses. The Charlotte News, January 7, 1890 Still Leaving Union County. A large party of white emigrants from Beaver Dam, Monroe and Ames', arrived in the city last night on the Carolina Central passenger train. Their baggage, amounting to a car load, came in on a freight train preceeding (sic) the passenger train. There were 75 white people in the party, and they were bound for Arkansas. This is the second party of white people to emigrate from Union county within a few weeks past. Charlotte Chronicle, Jan 8, 1890 MORE EMIGRANTS The movement from North Carolina to the South and West Continues. An emigrant train in charge of J.W. Hicks, passed through Charlotte Monday night. There were two carloads of negroes and about 100 white people. One man said that he had his wife, two sons and daughters, and 21 grand-children along with him. The whites were from Union and Moore counties, and were on their way to Texas and Arkansas. Another batch of emigrants passed through yesterday morning. There were about 200 negroes and a few white families. All of them were from the eastern counties, and were on their way to Alabama. The negroes said that the exodus movement will continue active, and that many more negroes will leave soon. They were in good spirits, and seemed hopeful. Charlotte Chronicle, January 7, 1890 EMIGRATION AGENTS They Were Working in Charlotte Yesterday, and Made Some Converts. Emigration agents have struck Charlotte. Yesterday all day long groups of negroes could be seen at different places on the streets. They usually surrounded a white man, who was constantly portraying, in a very impassioned manner, the superior advantages and inducements offered by Arkansas and other Southwestern States. A CHRONICLE reporter, in his rounds yesterday, frequently stumbled upon the agent and his eager and interested hearers (sic). Occasionally some of the negroes who are opposed to the emigration movement would argue the question, but the glowing picture of the great Southwest contrasted with what the agent called the depressed condition of affairs in North Carolina, in many cases, convinced the darkies that the objective point of the emigrant is far superior in every aspect to North Carolina. The agent began work in Charlotte yesterday, and the reporter learned that some of the negroes are already seriously considering exodusting (sic). The agent said that he wanted to establish a settlement in Woodruff county, Arkansas, but that he will take emigrants to Mississippi, Alabama, or other parts of Arkansas. He says that he wants to secure 50 white families, and will take any number of negroes, from 50 to 500. Farms, provisions, and railroad fare are offered on the same conditions upon which so many have already gone. The agent may get enough negroes and whites, too, to fill his orders, but many of the Charlotte negroes are averse to the idea of trying the realities of the other side of the Mississippi. Charlotte-Home Democrat, Dec 25, 1885 Came Back to Stay. Messrs. F.L. CONDOR and John BROOM have recently returned from Arkansas with their families, whither [sic] they imigrated about a year ago. One year was enough to demonstrate to their satisfaction that Old Union County is unrivalled by all the attractions of Arkansas. Monroe Enquirer. Hope this helps someone. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: E. Anne Horton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: [NCUNION] Migration from Union County, NC to Arkansas > Could anyone tell me why these families moved, and the approximate time period. I > have Cato, Massey and Hilton relatives that went to Arkansas? Some went on to > Texas. Was that usual? > Thank you, > E. Anne Horton > >

Hello NCUNION List Members. I am replying to the question posed by E. Anne Horton in Digest #86 which paraphrased was "Why did so many Union Co., NC, natives move in the 1800's to Arkansas and Texas?" Since I am the descendant of two of those people, Elijah Alexander Williams b. 1871 and Hester Lucinda Helms b. 1871, who moved with their family to Howard Co., Arkansas, in 1899, I can tell you what my father told me only a year or two ago. He said that much of the soil of Union Co. was sorn out by that time and it was becoming too crowded. As the original land-owners died and split their holdings among all their many children the plots got smaller with each generation. Also, judging by the number of cousins who married cousins in the 1800's, they needed to branch out into new territory to find suitable spouses for their children who were not related to them already. When my grandfather moved to Nashville, Arkansas, in July 1899 he was a master carpenter entering a booming area where the virgin timber was still being harvested, cotton grew thickly in the fertile ground, and people had money to build grand houses, churches, hotels and business buildings which kept him and his family working steadily for a lifetime. Two of his sons became ranchers and owned their own slaughter houses and meat markets. One became a banker in Dallas, TX. Another became a packing shed boss in the peach industry and later worked for Sunkist in California. My father worked as an accountant in the timber business and bought pine timberland which we still harvest profitably. Other children became teachers. Our Williams family with roots in NC has never been without work in Arkansas. Yes, North Carolina is beautiful, but there was only room for so many people there. When it got too crowded, some of the more adventurous ones felt the urge to move. And the vegitation, terrain, and climate of Arkansas are in many ways similar to North Carolina. Now, Texas is quite different; and for the life of me, I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to move there <g>. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Write to: The Carolinas Genealogical Society P.O. Box 397 Monroe, NC 28111 "He only deserves to be remembered by posterity, who treasures up and preserves the history of his Ancestry" Edmund Burke Visit the story of our search for the North Carolina Helms' ancestors: <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc "> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc</A> Or the Fredericksburg Civil War Cemetery list at: <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/FredCWCEM ">http:// freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/FredCWCEM</A> The Pressley Web Site <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eddunn/preslar/index.htm">h ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eddunn/preslar/index.htm</A> <A HREF="[email protected]">[email protected]</A> The Ireland Connection <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~helmsnc/helmsireland.html ">The Ireland Connection for the Helms Family</A> Military Records: The archives contains a number of important records relating to military affairs. It should be emphasized however, that most extant military records for all wars from the Revolution to 1900 are preserved in the National Archives, Washington, DC 20408. Vital Statistics: Birth/Death records wer not kept in NC before October 1913. For all birth and death certificates after 1945, write Vital Records Section P.O. Box 2953, Raleigh, NC 27626-0537 giving full name of individual county of birth/death enclosing $10.00 for each copy. For birth certificates give full name of parents including mother's maiden name. Must be given for death certificates from 1913 thru 1945. Good Luck - let me know the next ancestor's name; if you find it. Team: save a copy of these instructions so that you can copy and paste when needed. Write: The North Carolina State Archives enclosing $8.00 search and handling fee. Department of Cultural resources Division Of Archives and History Archives and records section Raleigh, NC 27601-2807 To purchase copies of The Union Co., Census 1850 - 1870 contact: = $15.00 for each copy Mrs Nancy Simpson 453 Lakewood Dr. Wilkesboro, NC 28697 Telephone 919-921-3560 Here's a tip you may not know - Birth -Marriage - certificates. Enter the name of the state in your browser along with the words Vital Records - a web p[age will appear with instructions to do what you