Louise I have few little information to date on my Rushing line. I know that Pearl Rushing (my great grandfather) was born October 15, 1880, in Anson Co. NC. He married first Eliza Redfearn b. 1878 also in Anson Co. After the death of my great grandmother Eliza Pearl married Isabel. Both Pearl & Eliza died in Union Co. NC (Marshville). I have no other information on Isabel to date. However, Pearl and Eliza were the parents of six daughters: Bessie (my grandmother), Ella, Mary, Emma, Nellie & Wilma. Pearls' father is listed as Bob Rushing on his death certificate. I have not been able to locate Bob, nor Pearls mother. Ida Researching the three "R's" REDFEARN, RUSHING & RORIE

Kay and others, It is truly amazing that we can trace some of our families as far back as we have. I am reading "Pocahantas People which givens information on the Spanishc and Cuban influence very early in VA particularly with the Pamunky people. Makes you give some serious considerations to the theories of the Melungeon people. :) Linda http://members.tripod.com/~Linda_T Threadgill, Copeland, Harrison, Parker, Boon, Sullivan, Leake, Manus, Moore, Williams, Austin, Horn, Howell, Weaver, Eley and many others.

Julie, Would you please check your obituaries from 1831 to 1900 for any Secrests? Thanks Sandra

Ida, My Rushing ancestors were John T. (Stud Hoss) Rushing, born 1785 in NC. He had at least 11 children by two wives. His daughter Rosanna married Hiram Haigler, and his daughter Mary Jane married Andrew Jackson Mullis. Rosanna and Hiram's son, Marcus Culpepper Haigler, married Mary Jane and Andrew's daughter, Nancy Catherine Mullis. My grandmother, Mary Magdalene, was the daughter of Marcus and Nancy Haigler. I'm not aware of any African American Rushings in my line. Who were your ancestors? It's nice chatting with you. Louise in Maryland

Isn't it just amazing that there is SO much for us all to learn in order to find our families -- I can't believe, some times, how little history I know (and I loved it in even elementary school) or how hard it's been to find out all the history we really need, to do our genealogy. Here are some links the other exchange of emails encouraged me to find: o Catawba Links http://www.rootsweb.com/~scyork/Catawba.html o The link above (from the Hornets' Nest) connects the Catawba to North Carolina http://www.cmstory.org/history/hornets/early.htm o Five Civilized Tribes Museum http://fivetribes.com/ Then there are the OK and GA Rootsweb sites. The webmasters have done a fantastic job of linking to good NA resources. Regarding the clothing, I worked at Disneyland-Anaheim one year ages and ages ago. I was luckily to have worked on Main Street and to wear the most wonderful long skirt that made one think of the joys (and the agonies --- they're hot!) of wearing such clothing. You really felt like a lady <G> swishing those long skirts around. Enough, almost on the level of exchanging recipes and I didn't mean to do that. Regards, Kay McGee At 04:02 PM 09/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Kay and Joy, > >I also looked at the African American website, even though I have no ties >to any of the family lines that I know of. However, I do know a number >of persons with those names. It surely was very interesting. I, too, >looked at the photographs first. And, yes, the clothes were magnificent! > >My main family lines are Haigler/Hagler, Mullis, Rushing. I'm still trying >to locate a copy of the Mullis Melange. If anyone has any idea where I >may find it, I'd appreciate knowing. > >Louise Tucker in Maryland

Louise, I have the information you need to locate the Mulis Melange Book. Tina Tarlton Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Stegall/Native American > Kay and Joy, > > I also looked at the African American website, even though I have no ties to > any of the family lines that I know of. However, I do know a number of > persons with those names. It surely was very interesting. I, too, looked at > the photographs first. And, yes, the clothes were magnificent! > > My main family lines are Haigler/Hagler, Mullis, Rushing. I'm still trying > to locate a copy of the Mullis Melange. If anyone has any idea where I may > find it, I'd appreciate knowing. > > Louise Tucker in Maryland > >

Email [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Tarlton Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Stegall/Native American > Louise, > Barbara Parson is updating the Mullis melange Book. I am waiting for it > also. I have Mullis and Rushing, and Haigler in my line also! > I descend from George Washington Mullis and Margaret Hailger > i also have family who married intot he Rushing Line. Email me. > Tina Tarlton Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Stegall/Native American > > > > Kay and Joy, > > > > I also looked at the African American website, even though I have no ties > to > > any of the family lines that I know of. However, I do know a number of > > persons with those names. It surely was very interesting. I, too, looked > at > > the photographs first. And, yes, the clothes were magnificent! > > > > My main family lines are Haigler/Hagler, Mullis, Rushing. I'm still > trying > > to locate a copy of the Mullis Melange. If anyone has any idea where I > may > > find it, I'd appreciate knowing. > > > > Louise Tucker in Maryland > > > > > >

Louise, Barbara Parson is updating the Mullis melange Book. I am waiting for it also. I have Mullis and Rushing, and Haigler in my line also! I descend from George Washington Mullis and Margaret Hailger i also have family who married intot he Rushing Line. Email me. Tina Tarlton Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Stegall/Native American > Kay and Joy, > > I also looked at the African American website, even though I have no ties to > any of the family lines that I know of. However, I do know a number of > persons with those names. It surely was very interesting. I, too, looked at > the photographs first. And, yes, the clothes were magnificent! > > My main family lines are Haigler/Hagler, Mullis, Rushing. I'm still trying > to locate a copy of the Mullis Melange. If anyone has any idea where I may > find it, I'd appreciate knowing. > > Louise Tucker in Maryland > >

Louise I too have ties to the Rushing Family in Anson & Union Co. My Rushing Family are of African American decent. Can you tell me more about your Rushing Family ties. Ida

The current Native American thread is very interesting to me. My paternal grandmother was Sarah Ann Hazeltine Baucom Honeycutt. She told me that her mother, Lydia F. Medlin Baucom was "Indian" and her photograph certainly indicates that. The coloring and features are very dominant in Sarah's children too. Lydia's parents were John J. "Jacky" Medlin and Louisa Medlin. Does anyone have information that may verify the Native American branch of my family? Joyce Honeycutt Holman

Kay and Joy, I also looked at the African American website, even though I have no ties to any of the family lines that I know of. However, I do know a number of persons with those names. It surely was very interesting. I, too, looked at the photographs first. And, yes, the clothes were magnificent! My main family lines are Haigler/Hagler, Mullis, Rushing. I'm still trying to locate a copy of the Mullis Melange. If anyone has any idea where I may find it, I'd appreciate knowing. Louise Tucker in Maryland

Thank you John for that information. Are you aware of an address or phone number for Mrs. Polk?

Thanks, Linda and everyone for all the GREAT help! Tina Tarlton smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "linda threadgill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [NCUNION] Stegall/Native American > Tina, have you checked in southwestern Pa? I know the Simpson and Smith > names are there. This area of Pa was once part of Virginia and borders > on the Mason Dixon line. If any of this sounds correct, check Fayette, > Washington, Westmoreland and Green Counties as well as the bordering > counties in WVA and MD. > > Linda > > http://members.tripod.com/~Linda_T > > Threadgill, Copeland, Harrison, Parker, Boon, Sullivan, Leake, Manus, > Moore, Williams, Austin, Horn, Howell, Weaver, Eley and many others. > >

Tina, have you checked in southwestern Pa? I know the Simpson and Smith names are there. This area of Pa was once part of Virginia and borders on the Mason Dixon line. If any of this sounds correct, check Fayette, Washington, Westmoreland and Green Counties as well as the bordering counties in WVA and MD. Linda http://members.tripod.com/~Linda_T Threadgill, Copeland, Harrison, Parker, Boon, Sullivan, Leake, Manus, Moore, Williams, Austin, Horn, Howell, Weaver, Eley and many others.

Kay and others, I was not speaking of slavery, specifically, but the continued importing of slaves. There is a link on my website that addresses the demographics of certain states at different years. I also wanted to mention that native americans would normally fall under the "free people of color" category. There are several good mailing lists dedicated to researching these groups. One is FPC. Another is interracial marriages and another is called FPOC of the south. I also want to correct the URL for Chris Moore's site. It is http://members.aol.com/Strat43z/ . As for finding marriage certificates, prior to 1866, you might find them listed as white, muttato or free coloreds(fc or fpc). After 1866, they might have been registered by the Freedman's Bureau's and are in their Freedman's marriage records. This is why I suggested Christine Charity's site. All counties did not have Freedman's Bureaus. After the Civil War anyone who was a product of a slave marriage could also register with the Freedman's Bureau. Also, my experience has been that some of my mixed race families were listed as white. In fact, I have 2 certficates from Mecklinburg Co., Va showing my husband's Harrison's as being black and white. This was around 1886. I must say that I have not seen a certificate of marriage showing different races for the bride and groom (although I have seen census records with a household containing white males and a mulatto wife and children). Usually they were listed as the same race. I am assuming that in Va. that was due to the miscegination (spelled correctly?) laws which were not revoked until the late 1960's. Lastly, for you folks who have relatives who might have migrated from the southside of Va., I have a Stith descendancy chart(entitled "CarriePages") on my site that might interest you. I forgot how many surnames are listed there until I was checking the Randolphs and Bollings for Kay. If you are Lee, Jefferson, Fitzhugh. Gregory, Washington, Mason, Hardway, Randolph, Cocke, Jordan, descendant, there might be some information there for you. The information on those pages was given to me by Carrie Stith, wife of Robert Stith who is from the Stephen Wayne Stith line. Linda http://members.tripod.com/~Linda_T Threadgill, Copeland, Harrison, Parker, Boon, Sullivan, Leake, Manus, Moore, Williams, Austin, Horn, Howell, Weaver, Eley and many others.

Tina, I'm intrigued by your William Valentine Smith connection. I don't have a George Valentine Smith listed as one of William's descendant's. I am descended from William's daughter Laura Catherine Smith who married James TC Baucom. I remember us talking about Laura's sister, Rosetta Smith, but who is George Valentine Smith??? Debi McGee Cundiff Lake County, Florida Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer at http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html Genie Angel Volunteer at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~angels/ Genealogy Helplist Volunteer at http://www.reesestudio.net/genealogy/fl.htm Obituary Lookup Volunteer at http://members.aol.com/sjhcamp/ovlist.html

In a message dated 9/24/00 2:46:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Joy, That was on the same site, just different pages. What threw me about the site was that each time I went to another link, it looked the same at the top -- exactly the same and I had to page down to see the differences. >> Kay, Thanks. I noticed that too. Joy

Hi: I saw your query on St. Davie. I am not aware of its history, but I have relatives buried there. You may be able to gather some information form Mrs. Ada Polk. I believe she is the keeper of some of the church's history. John

At 01:06 AM 09/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Kay, It is my understanding that in NC and Va there was not a problem >with races marrying. Some of these marriages or unions are part of the >thesis of Paul Heinegg's book. The problem came with slavery **But slavery was an on-going thing I thought. I also thought that the economy was the reason for focusing on the African as slave instead of the NA as agricultural worker. >when the people of color began outnumbering the caucasions, I think. :) >Anyway, I also understand the racially, NC was more liberal that Va. **That's the part I didn't understand: marriages being acceptable in NC or any other place. I thought you couldn't find sources at all for those inter-racial marriages. >The address for Chris Moore's site is http://www.aol.com/Stratz43 or >http://members.aol.com/Stratz43 . (I am having a senior moment now.) :) > >BTW, both Valentine and Bannister are surnames that can be associated with >mixed race people according to Angela Walton Raji. :) **I couldn't find anything on my Waldens on the site you suggested, none seemed to have been written about in GA and that's the only early place I have info on. But thanks for the site!! I'll find Cathern Minerva or Levi Walden one of these days. Thanks, Kay <snip> >surnames listed below are my husband's family from Anson,Union and Gates >Cos. > >Linda > >http://members.tripod.com/~Linda_T > >Threadgill, Copeland, Harrison, Parker, Boon, Sullivan, Leake, Manus, >Moore, Williams, Austin, Horn, Howell, Weaver, Eley and many others.

Joy, That was on the same site, just different pages. What threw me about the site was that each time I went to another link, it looked the same at the top -- exactly the same and I had to page down to see the differences. Of the photograph section, I first looked at the Native American photograph section and then the other sections. Most of the time I wondered why he had labelled them such. Glad you enjoyed the site too. The clothes they wore for the photographs were beautiful back then. I have a picture of a street scene in either TX, CO or MT (taken of one of my father's older brothers) at the turn of the century and I've cut out the woman to focus on her -- her dress was super <G> Kay McGee ~~~~ Genealogy: http://home.earthlink.net/~kmcgee03/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cousins At 11:46 AM 09/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/23/00 10:12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< Paul Heinegg's website at http://www.freeafricanamericans.com > You'll learn a lot! It's a great site and easy to get around in -- fast to > load too. >> >Thanks so very much for this site. It is great. However, I must have >missed the site you said had pictures. Could you send that one again? >I found the site to be very informative. > >JOY