My question is: How does the copyright law work for "look-ups" in copyrighted material? Is there a violation if permission has not been granted for such work? ---------- > From: ANNEMEDLIN@aol.com > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] Re: NCUNION-D Digest V99 #51 > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 4:55 AM > > In response to bmoore@perigee.net query about what "copyright" means: > Copyright laws make certain that no one can copy the work of another author > and call it their own. They must get permission from the author first, > sometimes paying that author a fee, and cite the work of the author in their > publication. Almost every type of communication is guarded by copyright laws, > the music field, there have been a number of lawsuits in recent years in this > field; the most recent act of plagiarism in books is a romance writer stealing > excerpts from Nora Roberts' books and getting caught doing it. Roberts took > her to court and won the case. After so many years, works become "public > domain," which means that anyone can use them without paying a fee. > Even works of art are sometimes copyrighted. If you have ever used a graphic > in anything, it is probably "copyright-free" and noted as such. Books carry a > notation on the flyleaf that "no part of this publication may be copied, etc., > with the express permission of the author," or something to that effect. > Clothing designers even have a copyright (for a short time only) on the > clothing they produce. Ideas and inventions also have copyrights, but these > are called "patents." This is done so someone cannot take your work and > profit by it. Only the author can profit by the exact same work. Hope this > explains enough. Anne

Hello Everybody: Just had a bad situation, a lady sent me some info about five years ago, I put it on my web page about a year ago and she contacted me and said she was suing me over the copyright, it was a family group sheet. I contacted my lawyer, he said not worry about it, that names, places, events and dates cannot be copyrighted. And in the first place the ladies? information had never been published therefore it was not copyrighted. She also said I was to remove everyone in her family, back to her ggrandfather or she would sue me over that. My reply, I will remove your name only, each person must contact me to have their name removed, they were all dead but her children and so far none have contacted me. In my file now her childrens mother is listed "Name removed by request". Bill Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello Everybody: Just had a bad situation, a lady sent me some info about five years ago, I put it on my web page about a year ago and she contacted me and said she was suing me over the copyright, it was a family group sheet. I contacted my lawyer, he said not worry about it, that names, places, events and dates cannot be copyrighted. And in the first place the ladies? information had never been published therefore it was not copyrighted. She also said I was to remove everyone in her family, back to her ggrandfather or she would sue me over that. My reply, I will remove your name only, each person must contact me to have their name removed, they were all dead but her children and so far none have contacted me. In my file now her childrens mother is listed "Name removed by request". Bill Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Mary Holmes-Cook 8322 Oak Knoll Dr Granite Bay, CA 95746 MNSCOOK@PACBELL.NET I am researching Floyd, Holmes, Maness

First of all, please note the first rule of thumb would be to check the flyleaf of the book - this is the area that gives the name of the publisher and a little bit about when the book was published - check to see if it says something to the effect: "No part of this book can be copied, etc., etc., without express permission from the author." If it does not state that, more than likely you can use it without fear of getting fined. I would never copy even a line without giving the cite. Several years ago, the Catholic Church in America was sued by the Copyright people for photocopying music from various sources and using it for their services. Because of this, our Catholic diocese in Southern California (maybe all of the Catholic churches in America did it) began collecting hymns, responses, collects, etc., and published their own hymnal. We were asked to teach parishioners these songs at each service. Our particular parish had a lot of old line folks who preferred not to sing, but delighted in hearing me sing songs like "Amazing Grace." I had to walk up and down the aisles urging people to sing along with me (our mass was a guitar mass). I had to promise them I would sing "Amazing Grace" once a month if they would just sing along. We finally got them to comply. Anne

Sharon has brought up a very interesting question in response to my recent message concerning copyright laws. I consider this something that many of you might want to be a little clearer on, so, since I use to work for a publisher, I plan to contact some of my coworkers, and to research this question and will publish what I find on the website. This is what Sharon asked me: <<Anne, Do the copyright laws prohibit copying material that is placed in our family research files, even if that information is not published, etc. I know the library has a note on the copy machine regarding copying from books, but the machine is there for that purpose! What about census books. I would think that wouldn't have a copyright. Public records that are recorded and published wouldn't be copyrighted, is that correct. I am new to researching and need to learn all I can. Thanks, Sharon >> And this is my response to Sharon: I never thought about census records being copyrighted...but I do not think they are. I can find out from my company (I am retired from a private publisher) who can give me the right answer. However, your public library more than likely has a book or two on copyright laws. I used to edit a newsletter for one of the craft groups and that was one of the things we were asked about continuously. Check for books on the subject with your librarian, but in the meantime, I will ask the right person at my company about the laws and get back to you. I will probably put this type of thing out on the Union County website for everyone to see. Thanks for your question. Since I am writing a book on my family, it is pertinent for me to find this information out for myself. Glad you asked it! I will get back to you, but if a month goes by and you have not heard from me, feel free to check with me, because it may be that the answer might not be readily forthcoming. Anne

No, it does not have a first name index. One thing we should all be careful of when doing look ups is that we do not violate the copyright laws. I don't know for sure what that is, do any of you? ---------- > From: Barbara Roesch <bjresh@worldnet.att.net> > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCUNION-L] Re: NCUNION-D Digest V99 #51 > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:06 PM > > Does the book "The Heritage of Union > County North Carolina 1842-1992" have > supplement with a first name index ? I > would be happy to be a volunteer lookup > for names in this book but because of > the lack of first names in the index it > would be nearly impossible to research > any but someone who has a major family > profile write up. > Barbara Roesch > > NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Part 1.1 Type: message/rfc822 > > > > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822 > > > > Part 1.3 Type: message/rfc822 > > > > Part 1.4 Type: message/rfc822 > >

Hey Julie, This is Chris Reeder. Sorry you lost all your email and addresses. Well, here is mine. creeder@taylordata.com my web site is http://creeder.taylordata.com/ Do you know anything or anyone researching the Williams family from Lancaster Co., SC? I have one I am trying to find. Elizabeth Williams b: 1830 in SC (prob. Lancaster) d: December 24, 1911 in Clear Creek, Mecklenburg Co., NC. She is the wife of John W. Estridge b: 4-1-1822 and also died in Clear Creek or at least buried there. They moved there after 1860. I am also searching for his parents. Here are the names I am researching from the area. If you think you could help me on some of these, I would love to exchange information with ya. Chris Reeder Florence, SC All these are direct ancestors (Some more than once...) NAMES: Reeder, Pressley, Baucom, Whitley, Estridge, Blackmon, Long, Lee, Ferguson, Ogburn, Rainwater, Helms, Price, Presson, Griffin, Mullis, Medlin, DeBerry, Keziah, Trull, Robards, Tomerlin, Morton, Simpson, Curlee, Williams, McCollum, Cagle, Rodgers, Orr, Laney, Welch, Herrin Other names: Allen, Strickland, Jones (4 of them...), Holladay, Corbett, June, James, Isgett, Clark(e), Ostrander, Kervin Location: NC: Union, Cabarrus, Anson, Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Wake, Johnston SC: Lancaster, Chesterfield, Darlington, Sumter, Clarendon, Kershaw, Marion, Florence, Horry AL: Coffee, Covington, Pike, Crenshaw VA: Essex -----Original Message----- From: JULIE HAMPTON GANIS [mailto:JGANIS@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:46 PM To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] Birth records Hi Jean, Haven't heard from you in a while and wanted to say hello! Hope all is well in Sweet Union!! If you see the girls from the Heritage Room, tell them I said hello! Julie ---------- > From: JGuillen@aol.com > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] Birth records > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:54 PM > > North Carolina birth records started being recorded in 1913, same for death > records. > > Jean ______________________________

In response to bmoore@perigee.net query about what "copyright" means: Copyright laws make certain that no one can copy the work of another author and call it their own. They must get permission from the author first, sometimes paying that author a fee, and cite the work of the author in their publication. Almost every type of communication is guarded by copyright laws, the music field, there have been a number of lawsuits in recent years in this field; the most recent act of plagiarism in books is a romance writer stealing excerpts from Nora Roberts' books and getting caught doing it. Roberts took her to court and won the case. After so many years, works become "public domain," which means that anyone can use them without paying a fee. Even works of art are sometimes copyrighted. If you have ever used a graphic in anything, it is probably "copyright-free" and noted as such. Books carry a notation on the flyleaf that "no part of this publication may be copied, etc., with the express permission of the author," or something to that effect. Clothing designers even have a copyright (for a short time only) on the clothing they produce. Ideas and inventions also have copyrights, but these are called "patents." This is done so someone cannot take your work and profit by it. Only the author can profit by the exact same work. Hope this explains enough. Anne

Hi Everyone, I lost a lot of my email addresses and all of my old email last night, so if you've corresponded with me in the past year, I would appreciate a note so that I can add your email address to my address book again. Sorry. Julie Hampton Ganis

Does the book "The Heritage of Union County North Carolina 1842-1992" have supplement with a first name index ? I would be happy to be a volunteer lookup for names in this book but because of the lack of first names in the index it would be nearly impossible to research any but someone who has a major family profile write up. Barbara Roesch NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.3 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.4 Type: message/rfc822

Hi Jean, Haven't heard from you in a while and wanted to say hello! Hope all is well in Sweet Union!! If you see the girls from the Heritage Room, tell them I said hello! Julie ---------- > From: JGuillen@aol.com > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] Birth records > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:54 PM > > North Carolina birth records started being recorded in 1913, same for death > records. > > Jean

Hi Anne, Just wanted to let you know I mailed your book, Master Roger Williams today, so you should receive it in 2-3 days. I hope you find the link you're looking for!! Also, I just lost all of my email messages and addresses last night too. It's rather frightening to see such an empty email directory! Julie ---------- > From: ANNEMEDLIN@aol.com > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] LOST E-MAIL AND ADDRESSES > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 9:29 PM > > There is a book on the Cuthbertsons that can be bought. There are a few > mistakes because it was done without a PC or family tree software, but it is a > valuable resource for anyone researching the Cuthbertson clan. Go to the > Heritage Room web page and you can get the name and address of the person > selling the book. It is only $38 which includes P&H, 400 pages, has pictures, > and an index. Anne

Hi Mary b, I am also new to Union County. I have been to Heritage Room and was very impressed by the ladies there. I found them to be very helpful and congenial. I found quite a bit of information in the family files. Would like to hear from you. Sharon

In a message dated 99-03-15 11:22:26 EST, you write: << Hi, Are there persons willing to do lookups? djw of Kansas >> Hi djw & everyone else: We have just moved to Union County, and I'm still learning my way around. I just wanted to share what I had about the Heritage Room from The Bulletin, which is published quarterly. That's the limit to my knowledge of Union Co right now. Mary b.

Don't forget the "Delayed Birth" books!!! A lot of births were recorded to establish inheritance/estate settlements. Two or more sworn statements/Collaborators or a Family Bible would establish a birth date or parentage.

There is a book on the Cuthbertsons that can be bought. There are a few mistakes because it was done without a PC or family tree software, but it is a valuable resource for anyone researching the Cuthbertson clan. Go to the Heritage Room web page and you can get the name and address of the person selling the book. It is only $38 which includes P&H, 400 pages, has pictures, and an index. Anne

Cynthia H. Porcher wrote: > > I am a BIVENS researcher, but the LANEY and RUSHING families married into > the Bivens lines, so we are all connected. Some of the Union Co Bivens > family went to Ga. I am wondering if Laney and Rushing families from the > area did also. Do any of you recognize these folks? The Union Co Bivens who > went to Georgia tended to spell their name BIVINS. Are any bells ringing? > > Henry County Georgia > Sarah C BIVINS married Thomas LANEY on 10 Oct 1844 in Henry County, Georgia > > Jones County Georgia > Stephen BIVINS married Celia RUSHING on 7 March 1815 in Jones County, > Georgia > > > > I have alittle info. I show Thomas Evan Laney ( b Nov 14 1824, North carolina d 1900 in Texas to have married Sarah Bivens. Thomas was the son of Charles & Letha Richarson Laney.

I am a BIVENS researcher, but the LANEY and RUSHING families married into the Bivens lines, so we are all connected. Some of the Union Co Bivens family went to Ga. I am wondering if Laney and Rushing families from the area did also. Do any of you recognize these folks? The Union Co Bivens who went to Georgia tended to spell their name BIVINS. Are any bells ringing? Henry County Georgia Sarah C BIVINS married Thomas LANEY on 10 Oct 1844 in Henry County, Georgia Jones County Georgia Stephen BIVINS married Celia RUSHING on 7 March 1815 in Jones County, Georgia

This is information copied from the Union Co. Heritage Room webpage <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncunion/Heritage_room.htm> about the limited research services they offer by mail. "For those of you who are able to visit the Heritage Room, you will have access to the research materials there. Copies can be made at a cost of 25 cents per page. At the present time, there is not  a professional genealogist to do research for you. However, we do have family files on most of the old families of this area. For written request which are mailed in, a fee of $5.00 per hour plus 25 cents per page copied will be charged. We will xerox for you the contents of any file we have in which you are interested. If it is a large file and if you desire only a limited number  of pages,we will select for you the pages we consider helpful to you." The Heritage Room Old Union County Courthouse, First Floor P.O. Box 397 Monroe , N.C. 28111 ---------- > From: djdlw <djdlw@midusa.net> > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCUNION-L] Re: NCUNION-D Digest V99 #46 > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:36 AM > > Hi, Are there persons willing to do lookups? djw of Kansas > -----Original Message-----