I meant to leave the NC-SC surveying tales alone but you people might convince the unknowing that these old chestnuts are true. There is nothing to the tales about tipsy surveyors accounting for the shape of the line where Lancaster and York counties meet Mecklenburg. It was because of the agreement that the Catawba Indian Land would all be inside South Carolina as was agreed by the Treaty of Augusta in 1763 that ended the French and Indian Wars. The Catawbas had fought with the English so were rewarded with a tract of land 15 miles square. Here is a portion of a paper that I once wrote on the topic: It was in 1772 that commissioners and surveyors from both North and South Carolina were appointed to run a revised line. South Carolina¹s head commissioner was William Moultrie, a man who, a few years later, would became a Revolutionary War hero. Fortunately for us, Moultrie kept a journal of each day¹s activities. His first entry was dated May 16, 1772 but the actual surveying did not begin until May 20. The survey was completed on June 2, 1772. Moultrie¹s party was made up of himself as head commissioner, William Thompson, two surveyors (Benjamin Farrar and James Cook), and chain carriers and blazors (men with axes who marked the trees). Moultrie wrote, ³They [North Carolina¹s surveyors] had tents and a wagon to carry their baggage; after the usual compliments and a glass or two of wine we proceeded immediately to business, by each party showing his commission and instructions to the other.² The two groups agreed that a surveyor from each province would attend the compass each day and that the chain would be carried alternately with two blazors from each side behind the surveyors. One commissioner from each province was to supervise at all times. On the 21st of May, at high noon beside the marked ³old corner tree², they took an observation. Nearly a hundred men, women and children of the Waxhaws community were present to see them off. That afternoon the party covered four and one-half miles. The Camden-Salisbury road, which had served as the previous boundary, was a winding road that followed old Indian paths. Moultrie remarked, ³We took the different courses along the Salisbury road, which made it very tedious.² On the second day the party ran into the old blazes from the laying off of the Catawba Indian boundary 8 years before and were able to cover 11 1/2 miles. The third day the party ran 8 miles and crossed Sugar Creek. The 4th day was Sunday so they rested. Moultrie¹s journal read, ³Sunday halted from business; some of us took a ride to Charlotte Town in Meclinburgh County. The Town has a tolerable Court house of wood about 80 by 40 feet, and a Gaol [jail], a store, a Tavern, and several other houses say 5 or 6, but very ordinary built of logs. . . .² Two days later Moultrie wrote that the parties ³came to the North and South branch of Catawba River, waited to take an observation, Latitude 35 - 8, from here we were to begin our western course. We took all our Compasses, set them together, and fixed up one to carry the Line throughwith. . . .²

I appreciate the information that Cynthia Porcher is sharing with us. This type of history is interesting. The story that Barbara Roesch was telling about the tipsy Scotch-Irish surveyors is similar to what I was told when I was in the eight grade studying NC history. This was in the mid 50's. Our teacher told us that at the point there was a liquor still. The surveyors were going to replenish their supply, but decided they would waste valuable time if they went down to it and came back. They surveyed down to the still and then surveyed their way back up. This might account for the straight line down and the wavy line back up. Maybe the truth is somewhere between here and the official version. Ken Eason

Many thanks for the references to the NC/SC line. This should be Genealogy 101 reading for NC/SC border folks. My favorite story, albeit undocumented, regarding development of the border is that the Scotch-Irish surveyors, always tipsy, could never drive or survey a straight line . . . . . . .. . . . . . isn't history fun? NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.3 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.4 Type: message/rfc822

I want to thank you also for bringing some muscle to my research. It was very much appreciated. Dawn in windy, sunny AZ

I have always, and my ancestors, lived around here. It was wonderful to see it in so much detail. It gave it life. Joy Skipper Hinson

I am searching for the Lee,Hudson,and Hensons from Union Co and surrounding areas.My family info is from our Family Bible.In many cases initials were used instead of first names.An elderly relative helped me from her memories with what the actual first names might be. J.(Joshua or Joseph?) Hudson m. Elizabeth Lee Atleast one child,Elizabeth Hudson m. J.(James?) Henson Three daughters: Dell,Minnie,and Samantha Eva Henson b. 1878 The family migrated to Leon Co.Texas in abt 1887 via wagon train with other families from NC. There may have been some Hensons already in Texas that they joined. One of the Lees,Hudsons or Hensons was an Indian and had been associated with a reservation at some point. Samantha Eva Henson m.Duncan Campbell in 1896 in Texas. She may have known his family in NC. I sure would appreciate any help in finding traces of my family. A real live cousin would be a real bonus.Thanks in advance for any help or info. Karen Kerr

THE CATAWBA BOUNDARY In 1762, the Board of Trade finally intervened and asked the colonies to mark their boundary farther westward through the disputed area. A S Salley, Secretary of the SC Historical Commission wrote in his pamphlet titled, "The Boundary Line between North and South Carolina." that the Board of Trade insturcted both governors the "Commissioners shall then be appointed by both Provinces to continue it (the boundary line)...due west until it meets the Eastern limit of the Lands claimed by the Catawbas." In an earlier treaty with South Carolina, the Catawba Indians were give a 15 mile by 15 mile square tract on the Catawba River. If it still existed today, it would take in Rock Hill, SC and much of the area east of it to the NC line. Salley said that South Carolina actually wanted the tribe to remain at that location. When other localities were pushing the Indians ever westward, South Carolina needed the Catawba warriors and trackers because they were "a very useful Body of Men to keep our numerous negroes in some awe." The heavy labor needed to clear the silderness farms required a large slave population. The white settlers were afraid of losing control of the slaves, so they kept the Indians as an auxiliary militia, as well as using them to track runaways. Five months after SC Deputy Surveyor Samuel Wyly finished marking off the Catawba boundaries in G Feb 1764, a joint North and South Carolina survey team began running a line from the terminus of the 1737 survey (now near the corner of Richmond and Scotland counties, and Marlboro County, SC) westward for about 65 miles to the Catawba lands. THE LINE STOPS SHORT Salley reported in Oct 1764 the surveyor commissioners stopped at the Old Salisbury Rd (a colonial highway that ran from Salisbury NC to Camden SC; today US Route 521 follows much of the same path). They reported to Lt Gov. Wm Bull, Jr of SC, "that the Line did not strike the Eastern Bounds of the Catawba Lands but ran a little southward of that Line..." But, "if continued (it) will strike their Southwest boundary," Bull wrote in a report to the Board of Trade. If the line had been continued, Salley's map shows that it would have hit the Catawba boundary. But it was never run any farther than the Salisbury Road. Gov. Bull, in a later letter to the Board of Trade, sugggested that the state line stop at the road, then follow it northward until it reached the Catawba lands, through which it passed. Then, he proposed that it should, "continue along round (sic) the Eastern Bounds of the Catawba lands until it strikes the East Bank of the Catawba River and thence up the Catawba River to its ource in or near the Cherokee Mountains." The altenatin of the line at Salisbury Road didn't bother NC at that time. But if SC had been allowed a boundary to the source of the Catawba River, everything west of Charlotte and south of Hickory (probably including Asheville) would now be in SC. MORE TO COMENC

I have found the article below to be very helpful in trying to understand the locations of families along the NC/SC border. Hope some of the rest of you find it interesting also. I will post it in several sections so that it will not be so long. ************************************* HOW OUR LINE GOT THE NOTCH: A remarkable history of bumbling, battling and confusion is recorded indelibly on the NC-SC boundary. By: Dave C Harper, THE STATE, Oct. 1979 It seems that every twist and turn in NC's boundary with SC has a story of its own. Take for instance, the notch that appears below. Mecklenburg County. One might assume that surveyours running a straight line westward from Scotland Co to Polk Co might have lost their bearing and drifted erratically northward before finding their westward orientation again. But not so. The notch was caused by almost 80 years of politicking. A survey ending in 1737 had established a boundary from the Atlantic Ocean northwestward to where both North and South Carolina believed it intersected the 35th parallel of lattitude. In a meadow, a cedar stake was set by the surveyors, and from that stake an imaginary line headed due west that was declared as the dividing between the two states by the British Board of Trade. This line went unsurveyed as settlers from both states pushed westward from the cost. In 1750, NC established Anson County, just west of the Little Pee Dee River. At the same time, settlers from SC, with land grants authorized in Charleston, moved into the region. Some of their grants entitled them to the same land that NC and signed over to its people. Trouble was inevitable. In the MNC Colonial Records, a letter written on Feb 8, 1755 by Gov Arthur Dobbs to the British Board of Trade said that, "...there are perpetual Quarrels among the Settlers near the Line when one takes out a Patent from the Government anothr goes to South Carolina and takes a Patent for the same there which is never refused and endeavours by force to get possession." Both Gov Dobbs and Gov James Glen of SC accused each other of spawning the "outrages" that occurred in Anson Co. as a result of the nebulous boundary.Hugh T Lefler and Albert R Newsome, in their book, North Carolina, The History of a southern State, said that the land question caused, "ill feeling, confusion, disorder, loss of revenue to both colonies, and riots." The area became, "a kind of Sanctuary allowed to Criminals and Vagabonds, " Dobbs wrote of the violent settlements. An NC sheriff was arrested by South Carolina for collecting taxes. Surveyors and tax collectors from South Carolina were called "the invasion force" by Gov Dobbs, who ordered them repelled. In another letter to the Board of Trade, Dobbs said, according to Lefler and Newsome, "there was so much confusion that the bordering Counties can't be settled."

Works by the U.S. Govt may not be eligible for copyright, but works by other jurisdictions may be. I have seen South Carolina publications bearing copyright notices. The state did not protect its ideas or even its words. You could retype the whole thing if you chose to do so. But the printer -- a private company -- held a copyright. You could not use his printed images as camera-ready copy for reprints. Most U.S. Govt publications come from the taxpayer-funded Government Printing Office. NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NCUNION-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 62 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [NCUNION-L] Re: Copyright Basics [Louise Pettus <lpettus@cetlink.net] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NCUNION-D, send a message to > > NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NCUNION-L] Re: Copyright Basics > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:10:38 -0500 > From: Louise Pettus <lpettus@cetlink.net> > To: NCUNION-L@rootsweb.com > > The Library of Congress puts out a circular they title > COPYRIGHT BASICS. On Page 5 there is this statement: > "Works by the U. S. Government are not eligible for > copyright protection. . . ." > > Obviously, the Federal Censuses would meet the above > definition (they are not copyrightable). Also, those > helpful pamphlets the government puts out are > not copyrighted either. > > Louise Pettus

Many Thanks to the Charlotte Observer sleuth! Appreciate all your attention to that local resource and sharing it! Barb NCUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822

Charlotte Observor has this a Millinum special they are running on 50 things that shaped the last 1000 years..they have some great maps and diagrams on line on the history of NC...just saved them all for future reference.. You can download them as printable or click and "save As" which is what I did, www.charlotte.com searching Dees Deese Manus Medlin Secrest Winchester http://people.delphi.com/patdeese Media Queen `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive

bject: JOHN SMITH b.abt 1800 NC Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:01:13 -0800 From: "JAMES G. BLACK" <jgblack@viptx.net> To: NCUNION-l@rootsweb.com Hi all, I am hoping that someone knows something about this Smith family. There are still descendents of John M. Smith living in Union Co.today. John was b. abt 1800 in NC. He married Rebecca Hartley and lived in Union Co. according to the 1850 census. Two of their sons were in the Civil War, Calvin b.abt 1834 and William P. 1837-1928. Son ,William Patrick, married Eliza Horn(e)b.1840-d.1924, daughter of James and Mary Rose Horn(e) from Monroe. William and Eliza Smith are buried at Bonds Grove outside of Waxhaw. They had a son Riston T. b. 1873-d.1948 who married Nancy Holley 1876-1961. Lived around Waxhaw and are buried at Bonds Grove. Hope that someone will remember this family andhave information about them. Thanks, Jean Black Victoria,TX

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_922669605_boundary Content-ID: <0_922669605@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Please do read Ira's Advisory, and check your virus protection program to make sure it has Melissa listed! Anne --part0_922669605_boundary Content-ID: <0_922669605@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IraHelms@aol.com Return-path: <IraHelms@aol.com> To: jfultz19@idt.net Cc: GHelms8093@aol.com, ahmack@redshift.com, Mid101074@aol.com, hpolk@vopmail.x-press.net, S.M.Grimshaw <S.M.Grimshaw@btinternet.com>, WHELMS/0002086864@mcimail.com, ANNEMEDLIN@aol.com, kmcgee03@earthlink.net Subject: Re: advisory Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:06:21 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Jeri, The important thing for you is that you have a large exposure to many addressees and in a list-type operation, you are especially vulnerable, because any of your addressees can bring the virus to you and you can send it out to everyone in those loops. Ok, so what do you do? You have to have a virus protection method which is updated frequently so as to pick up new things as they come along. This one is a family type thing so a specific wording or consequence is apt to change as it becomes ineffective (when most people are protected from it.) What virus protection do you use? Does your system scan each incoming message? Do you use Sendmail? If so apply the method listed in the Advisory. Do you use Microsoft Net? Microsoft WORD, Word 2000, or any other program with macros in it? In the Advisory, there is a Section III which has solutions for Melissa. There are addresses for the major Virus Scan programs listed in Sect. III. If you use one of those, contact them for their latest protection for Melissa. The broad direction is on page 3... which is : Encourage all of your users to disable macros in Microsoft Word (or any others) Notify all of your users of the problem and encourage them to disable the Word Macros., but also in any program which contains a macro language as this problem is not limited to Word users only. In WORD, you can automatically disable macro execution by: Click tools/Options/general, then, turn on the Macro Virus protection checkbox. In Word2000, macro execution is controlled by a security level variable similar to internet explorer by: click Tools/macro/security and chose High in the H M L options. High silently ignores the VBA code , Med. prompts in the same way that MS Word97 does to let you disable the VBA code, but Low runs it (the specific virus causing macro). WORD2000 supports Authenticode on the VB code. In the High option, you can specify sites that you trust and code from those will run. That sounds like a way to shut out sites (addresses) which are causing problems. I do not use any of those programs myself so I can't go beyond the ideas in the Advisory. I do have other programs which have macros, so I am still working on the problem. I don't know if there are parallel approaches to those outlined above for Word programs. I assume there are some in my Wordperfect program and maybe on others such as Word Pad, etc. I assume that if this type virus expands into those other programs that it will be necessary to do something specific about them. At the moment, I do not know exactly what effect disabling the Macros would have on the operation of those programs. I guess it would mean that a manual hot key would not work. Like for print, or something like that. I usually go to the trouble of clicking from level to level or step by step, rather than using shortcuts-most of which are probably macros. So, I don't think I would miss them. I just do not know for sure. Whenever something like this comes up, my approach is to take incremental, reversible steps, trying things as I go. Iike the High Med and Low approach as it is easily done and easily changed if it causes problems. See page 4 where there is a tutorial on this at: http://www.nai.com/services/support/vr/free.asp Regards, Ira To you other addressees: Jeri wrote to ask what she needed to do. This is my reply to her. Each of your situations is specific to you. The major thing is to see that you do not have to be using those specific WORD programs to be at risk. Even just having Microsoft Outlook, normally loaded with Windows-98, can get you, even if it is not active. Tose things are so interrelated that I do not know if you can safely just eliminate them. However, this sounds to me like the work of a disgruntled ex-microsoft employee. He/she seems to know where the weaknesses are. We are all on various lists which means exposure to a large number of people who are probably similarly situated, so we are all collectively at risk. I intend to be covered by a virus scanner which is updated for Melissa and is generally updated at least monthly; so, I hope that you will be able to consider my messages as ones you can trust. My latest virus scanner update was Mar 19; so, I need to do something right now, (whenever Norton is ready for it.) If you get specific direction from any of your programs or from your E-mail server, or Microsoft, I recommend that you do it. A final word is the old admonition to watch those downloads and attachments. Don't open any from unknown sources. The act of opening is the way the virus goes to hide and start to work, but sometimes later. Harold, You may be ahead of me in dealing with things like this; feel free to comment. I know you are packing to move so this may not reach you in days. In case you others don't know, Harold is moving to Arizona. Nancy and I had he and Marie to a farewell dinner last week. I will miss his help in many ways. --part0_922669605_boundary--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_922638689_boundary Content-ID: <0_922638689@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If any of you use MS Word, watch out about downloading something, even from a friend that you know would never knowingly send you a virus. This one is deadly! Anne --part0_922638689_boundary Content-ID: <0_922638689@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IraHelms@aol.com Return-path: <IraHelms@aol.com> To: GHelms8093@aol.com, ahmack@redshift.com, Helms <jfultz19@idt.net>, Mid101074@aol.com, hpolk@vopmail.x-press.net, S.M.Grimshaw <S.M.Grimshaw@btinternet.com>, WHELMS/0002086864@mcimail.com, ANNEMEDLIN@aol.com, kmcgee03@earthlink.net Subject: Macro Viruses Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:58:06 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, Today's Washington Post has an article about a new round of virus called the Melissa family. The virus is activated when a user opens an attachment to E-mail. Apparently an invader gets into your system and sends fragments of your files to all of those in your address book with the attached virus so it sets up a rapidly expanding set of victims. No longer is the admonition to only open mail from those you know enough to protect you. The basic mechanism is to use the macro capability in MS WORD 97 or 2000 where some virus scanners will not recognize a macro virus of this type. The virus containing item will have a subject title like "Important Message" or other innocous title trying to get you to open it; and, the body will have a starting line..."This is the Information you requested." The problem is that you will know the sender it will be one of your regular e-mail group. Any user infected must use one of the commercial virus detecting programs which can recognize macro viruses. The virus also infects the MS Word template file, Normal.dot. which can be deleted but the program will make another one the next cycle. Microsoft has softwear which will clean this up. at: www.microsoft.com/security/bulitins/ms99-002.asp The admonotion is to always be suspicious of attachments to E-mail. More information can be found at: www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-04-Melisa-macro-virus.html The virus also infects those with Microsoft Outlook, whether or not it is in. With all of the above in mind, I am starting a two phase program for our sending attachments. 1) send a message sayung an attachment is coming and nameing it; then 2) sent the attachnent. Another way is to not use attachments unless it is necessary. One worry I have is that things like the automatic updates and such pass right through without your knowing what they are doing in your computer. I consider that a separate problem. AOL and others are reported to have sent out virus containing material, and my computer co. has received shrink-wrapped programs containing viruses. Nothing is safe. I use Norton Utilities which has a virus detection part. I notice in the updated Norton it is a separate program. Thanks, Ira --part0_922638689_boundary--

This is my first query with the list. Hope you can help me out. I am looking for information on Robert GAULT and his family. Robert Gault was born in Waxhaw, NC in 1767, d. May, 1837. I know of at least one son, Charles C. b. Abt 1800 in Waxhaw, m. Elizabeth Simmerwell Dec. 1828, d. Abt. 1843. I know of two daughter to that marriage, Eliza M., and Anne M., and one son, Robert C. After the death of Charles, the widow Gault and children migrated to Kansas in 1857.

A co-worker recently told me that he had discovered about 25 copies of a family history book. His grandfather, the late B. W. Lathan, a retired educator and family researcher, wrote and printed the book in 1979. The name of the book is The Lathan Family and In-Laws 1710-1979. The book is hardbound, 9 x 12, fully indexed, and includes pictures, maps, and copies of important deeds. In the preface, Mr. Lathan stated that "it is not an attempt to write a complete history of the Lathan family and in-laws, but is an attempt to separate the families, especially the descendants of James Ross Lathan and Grace Belk Lathan and then to trace their ancestors as far back as possible. Other connected families are Plyler, Starnes, Nesbit, Crane, Haigler, Montgomery, Broome, Richardson and Helms. In 1979, Mr. Lathan sold the book for $40. Chris Helms is selling the remaining books on a first come, first order basis for $25 plus $5 postage and handling. If you are interested in purchasing a book, please contact Chris or Linda Helms at 704 - 764-5204. The book contains 532 pages. I will be sending this out this week in our Relatively Speaking from CGS newsletter, but wanted to share the information with all of you too since this is certainly a great fine for anyone researching persons with those connections.

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To All Whom It May Concern: Search the “DESCRIPTIVE & HISTORICAL REGISTER of Enlisted Soldiers in the U.S. Army,” who served “At Buffalo,” between 1835 and 1846. This is a free service on: The Buffalo Barracks Historical Web Site [ http://www.buffalonet.org/army ] Every pre-Civil War state was well represented at this short lived federal military post. Many having served in the Florida Indian Wars, the War with Mexico, and then the Civil War. Perhaps you have an ancestor who was at the Buffalo Barracks? Cliff Williams 104740.372@compuserve.com

The Library of Congress puts out a circular they title COPYRIGHT BASICS. On Page 5 there is this statement: "Works by the U. S. Government are not eligible for copyright protection. . . ." Obviously, the Federal Censuses would meet the above definition (they are not copyrightable). Also, those helpful pamphlets the government puts out are not copyrighted either. Louise Pettus