Today I got determined to finally find my last missing set of great great great grandparents - all I had was that Granny thought Anna Morgan's father's name was Billy. This took some work. Finally located detah certificate for her first husband which explains that he was murdered, but doesn't list a spouse (he was cheating on her at the time with a married woman which led to his demise). But it did list Morris Morgan as the informant. I thought - must be either her father or a big brother. I then found a delayed birth certificate for Morris - yes, the right time and place to be a big brother. And his Daddy was, in fact, William J. Morgan. Mystery seems to be solved. Of course William J. Morgan was the son of H.P. Morgan & Margaret Galloway and married Mary Galloway. The rest got easy and I added two more connections to William Galloway, bringing my current total to 6 - not bad considering Mom is a closet Yankee from New Hampshire <g>. One thing anyway - connection number 6 - through Mary, is by son Robert by William's second wife. The others are one through dtr Elizabeth and four through son John. Cut down considerably on the number of great great great great grandparetns to track down. Just one more set to go -anyone know who John Wood's parents are? 1848-1900 married Rachel Bracken and had to go all the way to Tennessee to get murdered. And considering the frequency this occurs in my family, do I need a body guard? -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Searching for parents of Jane A. Glazner, who married John Monroe Galloway, son of Jimmie and Sallie Parker Galloway of Transylvania Co. They moved to Cherokee Co (now Clay) before 1850. Will be happy to share what I have, if only someone can solve this puzzle! Thanks Lynda Fitch http://www.angelfire.com/ga/lyndaf - My Homepage ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Afternoon, Does anyone have any information on this family? There's some further info afterwards. 1 Robert A. McCall b: 1841 in Transylvania County, North Carolina +Sarah E. -- b: Abt. 1841 .2 John A. McCall b: Abt. 1862 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Ann E. McCall b: Abt. 1867 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Wesley S. McCall b: Abt. 1870 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Jasper H. McCall b: Abt. 1875 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Hattie M. McCall b: Abt. 1875 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 William T. McCall b: Abt. 1878 in Transylvania County, North Carolina Robert A. McCall may have been the son of Robert McCall and Rachel Glazner. The Questions: 1. What was Sarah's maiden name? 2. Where were they buried? 3. What became of the kids? Who'd they marry? Many Thanks! Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina

Hello Everyone, My GGGGgrandfather was Stephen (or Steven) KITCHENS, born (c)1760. His son, Ephriam KITCHENS, married Mary Pauline GLAZNER, daughter of George GLAZNER. Jacob KITCHENS, born (c)1810 Buncombe Co. NC, died in Transylvania Co. NC. Benjamin STAGGS, listed in 1860 Henderson Co. NC census. Robert STAGGS, born Sept 13, 1840 SC married April 24, 1864 in Trasylvania Co. NC, Zenah KITCHENS, born Oct. 26, 1838 NC, daughter of Jacob KITCHEN(S)and Luranah BRACKEN, daughter of James BRACKIN and Elizabeth Barton. My mother has pictures of Zena KITCHEN(S) STAGGS and Luranah BRACKIN KITCHEN(S). Any information concerning any or all mentioned appreciated. Will share info. Rena Anderson Pittman *************************************************** rena@texramp.net Always searching for: ANDERSON, BEAVERS, BRACKIN (BRACKEN), CARLISLE, GARRISON, GLAZNER, HARRIS, HAMPTON, KITCHEN(S), McCLANAHAN, PAYNE, PITTMAN, STAGGS, WILLIAMS, WOOD, **************************************************

Evening folks, Does anyone have information on this couple: 1 Jennie Sue Norton b: March 05, 1902 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: July 21, 1981 Buried: Reid Cemetery, Transylvania County, North Carolina ..+William Frank McCall b: June 16, 1888 d: November 01, 1961 Buried: Reid Cemetery, Transylvania County, North Carolina Marriage date? Children? Thanks, Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina

Gary Fletcher, Per your request for help finding Alfred E Fletcher in the 1860 census, I checked the Buncombe County and Henderson County census for 1860 for Alfred E Fletcher. I did not find an Alfred listed; however, I did find the following: 1860 US census of Henderson County NC, Davidsons River TWP, family #1257: Fletcher, J W 32 NC Matilda 30 NC Mathias 13 NC William 11 NC Taylor 09 NC Thomas 07 NC Colwell 05 NC Andrew 03 NC --- I suspect that Andrew may be Alfred There were no other Fletcher children in the census records who appeared even remotely close to the correct person! David H Gilbert Rt 1 Box 275-A Hendersonville NC 28792 garren@brinet.com -----Original Message----- From: Fletcher, Gary <fletcher@net-magic.net> To: NCTRANSY-L@rootsweb.com <NCTRANSY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: FLETCHER ON CENSUS, 1860, 1870 >Would someone be willing to look at the Buncombe County (including >Henderson & Transylvania) census for 1860 or 1870 and see who the >parents of Alfred F. Fletcher were? > >He was born in NC in 1856 and died in NC in 1885. His grave is in >Transylvania County. He lived in the Henderson and Transylvania >county area. I don't know who his parents were. He married Mary J. >Glazner in 1879. He was my greatgrandmother's father. --- gmf >

Would someone be willing to look at the Buncombe County (including Henderson & Transylvania) census for 1860 or 1870 and see who the parents of Alfred F. Fletcher were? He was born in NC in 1856 and died in NC in 1885. His grave is in Transylvania County. He lived in the Henderson and Transylvania county area. I don't know who his parents were. He married Mary J. Glazner in 1879. He was my greatgrandmother's father. --- gmf

Evening, Does anyone know if James G. McCall, son of Robert and Rachel Glazner McCall, ever remarried after the death of his wife, Sarah --, who died about 1878? He had at least five children, Wesley C., William A., Emily L., Jasper F., and Julius M. I have information on the decendants of Wesley, but not on the other children. Any help there? Kindest regards, Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina

Afternoon friends, I am looking for information on the following couple. I have only one child listed. Were there any more? Any dates on Florence (below) or her children (if there were any)? Many thanks! Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina 1 Calloway McCall b: March 15, 1873 in North Carolina d: January 27, 1927 in Transylvania County, North Carolina Buried: Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Macon County, North Carolina .. +Nancy Ellen Parker b: August 27, 1883 in Jackson County, North Carolina d: January 23, 1962 in Transylvania County, North Carolina Buried: Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Macon County, North Carolina . 2 Florence McCall ..... +Julius Owen b: 1893 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: 1981 in Transylvania County, North Carolina

At 11:00 AM 7/20/98 -0400, Linda Raxter wrote: >Haskell Pruett. Elizabeth "Besty" Galloway married Allen Logan Hines who died >in the Civil War Linda, Do you have a unit designation of Confederate service for Hines (Co. and Reg.)? >Anyway, it also talks about the "Reverend" part of Rev. John C. Galloway. "Her >father's home near Toxaway was used for services for the first Bapist Mission >in the region. What was her father's name?? >As for Sarah Ussary/Essary - spell it however you want to as long as it matches >the phonetic spelling. The 1804 Walton County GA census lists Thomas Ussary, >Just don't bother asking how Thomas is related to Sarah as I have no idea. Awwww, and kill all our fun?? Philip

CWCLUBB@aol.com wrote: > There are some surnames out there which are confusing. Is Rev. John Colby > Galloway's wife Hannah Atkins or Aiken? And is William Galloway's wife Sarah > "Harriet" Essary or Ussary? I have seen both of these names spelled either > way on various Galloway Home Pages. Hannah is an AIKEN, AKIN, AKEN, AIKENS, or however you want to spell it at the moment, but I've never seen it with a "T". With Hannah, it normally is spelled AIKEN. I found an interesting article on this couple's daughter in the Whitmire Book by Haskell Pruett. Elizabeth "Besty" Galloway married Allen Logan Hines who died in the Civil War so she then married George Washington Murray. Betsy smoked a clay pipe and made reed baskets "art likely handed down from neighboring Cherokees". Anyway, it also talks about the "Reverend" part of Rev. John C. Galloway. "Her father's home near Toxaway was used for services for the first Bapist Mission in the region. Out of this mission was organized the first Baptist Church in the region, known as Cathey's Creek Baptist Church. one of the first revivals hld was in the summertime, under a spreading poplar tree on Esquire Paxtion's farm. The church records show that "Betsy" was one of ten baptized at the close of the revivial, before she was married." The question is which Toxaway was the home near? The first Toxaway was a small Cherokee village just on the Sc side of the NC/SC line. The second Toxaway was what is now Old Toxaway southwestish of Rosman. The third Toxaway is Lake Toxaway where millionairs live. We also now have North Toxaway - probably connected with a church split from Lake Toxaway Baptist, and East Toxaway, probably because Roger Raxter didn't want his Billiard/Ice Cream Parlor to be confused with a business for the millionairs. I would guess it was the Old Toxaway Toxaway as John's sons William & Thomas are said to have built a huge house together near present day Old Toxaway Baptist Church. As for Sarah Ussary/Essary - spell it however you want to as long as it matches the phonetic spelling. The 1804 Walton County GA census lists Thomas Ussary, so that was apparently the local spelling at least according to Reuben Allen. Just don't bother asking how Thomas is related to Sarah as I have no idea. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Philip Sheppard wrote: > > > >William Lance, born abt 1851 married 19 May 1872 in Transylvania > >County, Josephine Dryman, born abt 1856. Their children are: > >John B., b. abt 1874; Eddie W., b. abt 1877 and Thomas, b. Jan 1880. > >All three children were born in South Carolina - most likely Pickens > >County. > > The only William Lance I have is William H. but he doesn't fit the criteria > below. My William H. was the son of Henry and Margaret Galloway Lance and he > doesn't have a brother named Leonard in my records. Must be a different > William. Henry was the son of Valentine Lance. > Peter Lance (father of William & Leonard) was also a son of Valentine, brother to your William H. > >Leonard's sister Martha married Christopher Whitmire (whose first wife > >was Jane Galloway) on 2 Dec 1871 in Transylvania County NC. > > My William H. did have a sister named Martha, but no further infomation. In > my records, there are a Christopher Whitmire and a Jane Galloway, parents of > Margaret (m. William Pettit), Andrew Simpson (m. Rebecca Trotter), Sarah > Matilda (m. James Trotter), Thomas Richard (m. Julie Ann Gillespie), and > John Christopher (m. Margaret Siniard). Their mother Jane was born abt > 1806. If my Chris was born about the same time, he would be a little old for > remarrying in 1871, not impossible, just a little old. I didn't have that he > had remarried. > I have a date of 1 Nov 1794 for Christopher Whitmire and that Martha Ann Dryman was born about 1829, so she would have been a good bit younger than he was. I guess maybe he needed someone to take care of him in his old age. I have a death date of about 1880 for him, is this right? Sherry in Georgia osburn@bellsouth.net

Gordon, Is your Obed a Swearingen/Swayngim?? Judy ---------- > From: Gordon Owen <gowen@onestone.elsinore.klever.net> > To: NCTRANSY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wood and Bracken (Linda's response) > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 5:42 PM > > Everyone: > > Wow! A succinct query from Phil, and Linda responds with a detailed > answer including descendants, inter-relationships, geographic details > and - at no extra charge - the tale of a double murder. I'm already > impressed beyond words (and jealous to boot) when I realize that she has > topped it off by demonstrating the scholarly instinct to point out the > one or two areas where her research leads to an ambiguity or where her > knowledge is less than comprehensive. As we say here in California, I'm > totally blown away! > > Linda, your humor adds wonderful zest to these e-mails, but what you've > got packed away between your ears is absolutely priceless. As one of the > ancestor-challenged (not enough great great grandparents to go around), > I agree that being related from two or three directions is sufficient; > but, just as Phil is "not allowed" to be related to the rest of us from > a fourth or fifth direction, you are hereby required to live forever. > Either that, or we'll have to arrange to have your brain hooked up to a > computer so that we can continue to access your data. > > Thoughts/queries: > > * I'm getting used to situations like having relatives named Obed where > it turns out that there was no discernible intent to refer to Obediah of > the Bible, but since our common ancestors grew up within a few miles of > Mt Pisgah (you know, Moses being allowed a glimpse of the promised land > from atop the mountain even though he wasn't allowed to enter), what do > you - any of you - figure are the odds that Ninive refers to the Ninevah > where Jonah was sent? > ** BTW, tracing it backwards, 11th edition Britannica speculates that > Ninevah, capital of the Assyrian empire, may itself have been named > after a district of the earlier Babylonian city of Lagash. > > * Another spelling problem: one of Sherry's sites has an old narrative > indicating that certain Galloways were members of the "ceceder" church. > Any ideas here? Had they seceded (withdrawn) from some previous > affiliation? > > * A bit tangential, but who else could I ask?: I'm up to speed on > "laurel" = rhododendron and "ivy" = mountain laurel, but what are > "he-balsam" and "she-balsam"? > > * Any sources (electronic or otherwise) on the rugged individualist whom > the Plott Balsams (mountains) and Plott hounds are named after? > > Responses on any of the above would be appreciated (even from > non-cousins or those I'm only related to once or twice). As > non-genealogical, any responses on the last two should probably be > direct rather than through the list. > > Thanks to all, > > Gordon Owen > > > > Linda Raxter wrote: > > > > Dearest Cousin Phil, > > You are not allowed to be descended from these folks - you and I are already so > > related you're at the top of my list if I ever need a kidney transplant - right > > next to Judy & Shawna. > > > > Rachel is the dtr of Thomas Bracken(1800-1880) & Elizabeth Kitchen (1808-?). > > Her folks are buried at Bracken Cemetery. Rachel was born 27SEP1834 and died > > 13JUN1910, is buried at Wood cemetery in Gloucester and her cemetery record in > > Montieth's book is wrong (imagine that), so use mine. > > > > John was born in 1848 and I have yet to figure out which Woods he came out of. > > Family Bible records show that he was murdered with his son 19FEB1900. Had to > > do a little door knocking to find the specifics. There are several different > > versions of the story but basically, John & son "Mess" went to Tennessee > > (Either to escape person looking to kill son or to find work). Someone came to > > the house and killed "Mess". John was caught in the crossfire and received a > > bullet in the knee and died from the resulting infection soon after. Both are > > buried in Tennessee. Some rumors suggest Mess had irritated someone over a > > Civil War issue. But, the murderer was a previously convicted murderer who was > > fresh out of prison for killing the last guy. J.B. McCall actually went to > > Tennessee to get the specifics and found the grave, name of murderer, court > > records etc. > > > > Daughter Mary Loucinda married Baxter Owen in Ninive - They are buried at Mtn > > View Bapt Church in Gloucester. Their dtr Margaret married James Estes Hoxit > > (Starting to sound familiar). Margaret & Estes are my great grandparents and > > are buried at holly Spring Baptist Church in Henderson County. > > > > Son Thomas married "Bell" Hoxit. Thomas was a hugh man known to appreciate his > > liquor a bit much. He had one of the first pick-up trucks in the area. > > Grandpa got a ride with him once and says the bed of the truck was about the > > size of a wheelbarrow. Thomas & Bell are buried up at Wood cemetery, too. > > > > BTW - Do you know where Ninive is? Didn't think so. It took me three months > > of roaming Gloucester to find someone old enough to remember. Keitha Reid, > > postmistress and general matriarch of Balsam Grove couldn't even tell me, > > though she did mention that someone else had once asked about it. Emmett > > Moore, the oldest man in the community at age 88 was able to tell me. He also > > remembered Baxter Owen, as Baxter was "the first dead person I ever saw". > > Ninive was a small community on Tannassee Gap Road almost to the Jackson County > > line. > > > > Philip Sheppard wrote: > > > > > Evening Rooters, > > > > > > I need the stats (birth/death/places/cemetery) on John B. Wood and his wife > > > Rachel Bracken, parents of Mary Lucinda Wood (b. 1863) and Thomas J. Wood > > > (b. 1872). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Philip Sheppard > > > Beaufort, South Carolina > > > > -- > > > > Linda Hoxit Raxter > > lraxter@citcom.net > > See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys > > http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse > > > > related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Welcome, Verne! The following is from the Transylvania Co. Heritage, which I know you can't always take as gospel. "John Gillespie, son of William and Mary Gillespie, was born in Virginia. He was married in Botetort Co., Va. on 8-13-1779 to Jane Harvey, born 4-17-1762, daughter of William and Rebecca Caruthers Harvey. John fought in the Revolutionary War, and following the war, John, wife Jane, his parents and other members of the family left Virginia and traveled to the Pendleton District of South Carolina. After living a few years on Georges Creek, near the present town of Easley, SC, John moved again, this time to East For, near the town of Rosman, in what is now Transylvania Co. John was a gun maker by grade, and after building a house on East Fork, he also built a gun shop where he and his three sons made the famous Gillespie Long Rifles. John Gillespie's gunworks were on a hill west of the river, at what became the Harve Whitmire place. Jane Harvey Gillespie died in 1808 and John died in 1822. They are buried in the Gillespie family cemetery near the East Fork Baptist Church. John and Jane were the parents of six children. Rebecca Gillespie, born 7-30-1780, married Noah Kennemur on 3-6-1800. Rebecca and Noah moved to SC and reared a family of 4 sons and 6 daughters. Mary Gillespie was born 2-7-1783 and never married, date of death unknown. William Gillespie was born 12-28-1785, was married to Millie Davis. Matthew Gillespie was born 7-23-1788, was married to Elizabeth Sitton. Robert Harvey Gillespie was born 2-1-1791, was married 5-3-1812 to Sara Aiken. Isabel Gillespie was born 3-30-1796 and was married 12-25-1812 to Lawrence Sitton." The author lists family bible records, courthouse records, cemetery records, census records and church records as sources for this article. This from another article: "Bascomb Gillespie (7-9-1859 to 8-7-1951) married Mary Lmma Gravley (11-7-1877 to 2-18-1964) in 1899. They lived most of their married life in the Gillespie home at East Fork. Bascomb was a farmer and served as Register of Deeds for Transylvania Co. Bass and Lemma had 9 children: Eva Marie Gillespie (10-5-1899 to 3-12-1982) married Franklin Boyd McGuire, Sr. Ollie Gillespie (2-12-02 to 1-10-1953) married Jack Heath. Kate Clyne Gillespie (4-8-04 to 1-7-1987) married Clyde Brown. Charlie Lee Gillespie (4-13-07 to 3-25-1992) married Margaret McKinney. William Wallace "Doc" Gillespie (10-30-09 to 3-21-1988) married Gwen Grooms. Jackson Alexander Gillespie (11-10-14 to 12-28-1965) married Farrow Suddeth. Ralph Bascum Gillespie (3-4-18 to 5-2-1973) married Katie Donaldson. Mary Elizabeth Gillespie (9-18-16) married Clyde Galloway. Julia Ann Gillespie (10-4-20 to 8-22-1972) married Woodrow Roberts. All of Bass and Lemma's children stayed in western NC except for Ralph, who lived in Florida." Another article states that Joseph Gravley, b. 1803, (son of John Gravley and Margaret Ballenger) and his wife Elizabeth Ann Gilstrap, were the first Gravleys to move into Transylvania Co. and settle in the East Fork section. Their children were: Lumford Ballenger who married Nancy Naomi Winchester, John Hensley who married Hester Winchester, Ben Crenshaw, Louis, Charity who married a Galloway, Sarah who married Kensey Redman, Joseph McNalley who married Sarah Cooper. Sorry this is so long, but perhaps it will helps some.

Hi Sherry, Thanks for posting your URL. >William Lance, born abt 1851 married 19 May 1872 in Transylvania >County, Josephine Dryman, born abt 1856. Their children are: >John B., b. abt 1874; Eddie W., b. abt 1877 and Thomas, b. Jan 1880. >All three children were born in South Carolina - most likely Pickens >County. The only William Lance I have is William H. but he doesn't fit the criteria below. My William H. was the son of Henry and Margaret Galloway Lance and he doesn't have a brother named Leonard in my records. Must be a different William. Henry was the son of Valentine Lance. >Leonard's sister Martha married Christopher Whitmire (whose first wife >was Jane Galloway) on 2 Dec 1871 in Transylvania County NC. My William H. did have a sister named Martha, but no further infomation. In my records, there are a Christopher Whitmire and a Jane Galloway, parents of Margaret (m. William Pettit), Andrew Simpson (m. Rebecca Trotter), Sarah Matilda (m. James Trotter), Thomas Richard (m. Julie Ann Gillespie), and John Christopher (m. Margaret Siniard). Their mother Jane was born abt 1806. If my Chris was born about the same time, he would be a little old for remarrying in 1871, not impossible, just a little old. I didn't have that he had remarried. Regards, Philip

Dear Cousins, I finally decided to stop "lurking" and participate. I am originally from Pickens County, SC descended from the Galloways of the "Great Galloway Marker" at Old Toxaway Church. My greatgrandfather Edward Hope (married a Patterson, as did two of his siblings) is the son of Thomas Harrison and Elizabeth Glazener. My Gillespies and Gravleys, also Coopers and Cissons are from Transylvania County, so I am kin to quite a few of you. Let me hear from you if we're related. I really appreciate the help I have received from Judy Ballard, Linda Raxter, (I too enjoy her sense of humor; keep up the good work, Linda) and Phillip Sheppard in tracing my Galloways. Also thanks to Jeff McDaris from Brevard who filled in my missing Gillespie links. There are some surnames out there which are confusing. Is Rev. John Colby Galloway's wife Hannah Atkins or Aiken? And is William Galloway's wife Sarah "Harriet" Essary or Ussary? I have seen both of these names spelled either way on various Galloway Home Pages. I am still looking for the parents, siblings, descendents, etc. of Lemma Gravley (1877-1964) who married Bascombe Alexander (Bass) Gillespie in 1899. I think she was my Granddaddy Alfred McNalley Gravley's first cousin. His father was Joseph McNalley, son of Joseph L. I would really like to communicate with any descendents of either Joseph. Also, do any of you out there have any documentation on the early Gillespies in Transylvania County? I have been told that my earliest traced ancestor, "John Gillespie (of the famed Gillespie Rifle Gun) who married Jane Harvey, was a member of the First Group of Regulators at Yorktown, fighting with a rifle of his own making. After the war, he lived for a while near George's Creek (between Easley and Greenville, SC), helped found the city of Greensboro, NC, then settled in East Fork, Transylvania County, where he died in 1822." I'm not sure how much of this is accurate or just family legend. I was given this information over the phone, so I'm not even sure if I got it all down right. I would appreciate any information on these individuals. Verne Gravley Clubb Chester, VA

Hello Philip and Everyone, The URL for Sherry's Genealogy Home Page is: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6370/index.html just click on the Galloway birdhouse. Does anyone have anything on these Lance families? William Lance, born abt 1851 married 19 May 1872 in Transylvania County, Josephine Dryman, born abt 1856. Their children are: John B., b. abt 1874; Eddie W., b. abt 1877 and Thomas, b. Jan 1880. All three children were born in South Carolina - most likely Pickens County. Leonard Lance, b. abt 1854 married 20 Apr 1873 in Transylvania County, Mary Adeline Dryman, b. abt 1848. Their children are: Charles E. b. abt 1875, and Crayton E. A., b. abt 1879. Both children born in NC. William and Leonard are brothers, sons of Peter Lance and Rachel Dryman (Driman). Josephine and Mary Adeline are sisters, daughters of Leonard Dryman and Nancy Alexander of Pickens County, SC area. Leonard died during the War in 1863 and Nancy died in 1868. Oral family history says that the children tried to stay together but were eventually split up. I have found 4 of them in GA in 1870 but the others are still wandering around somewhere. I **think** that Rachel is Leonard's sister but have no proof. I am positive that she is a relative, there were not that many Dryman families in NC/SC and they were all related one way or another. But it seems likely that Rachel and Peter took in these two girls. [But have not found Rachel and Peter on 1870 census to confirm] (There is also a link to my Dryman family on my home page.) Leonard's sister Martha married Christopher Whitmire (whose first wife was Jane Galloway) on 2 Dec 1871 in Transylvania County NC. Any help would be appreciated. Sherry in Georgia osburn@bellsouth.net

At 02:42 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Gordon Owen wrote: >Everyone: > >Wow! A succinct query from Phil, and Linda responds with a detailed >answer including descendants, inter-relationships, geographic details >and - at no extra charge - the tale of a double murder. I'm already >impressed beyond words (and jealous to boot) when I realize that she has >topped it off by demonstrating the scholarly instinct to point out the >one or two areas where her research leads to an ambiguity or where her >knowledge is less than comprehensive. As we say here in California, I'm >totally blown away! Dear Gordon and Transylvania list members, It's great isn't it! Linda does have a touch that makes her posts a pleasure to read. Thanks, Gordon, for your post to the list and for giving me a lead into what I want to say next. Let me take a moment to address how I envision this list operating. Some lists I have participated in have had very restrictive rules for participation - genealogy only and narrowly defined. However, I have most appreciated those posts that got through which, not giving just data, actually tell me something about the way my ancestors lived. Linda's response to my query was just the kind of thing I hope to see on this list (and, yes, we ARE related several times over - and Judy and Shawna, too). People are more than just what's on their tombstone. That's why I am particularly glad to see some folks on this list with a close connection to the Transylvania County area who can tell us things that make our relatives and ancestors "come alive", so to speak. I appreciate it because I am a "flatlander", despite my close connection to folks in Transylvania County, my grandparents having moved out of the area in the early 1900s for Gaston County, North Carolina (I was born next door in Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, N. C.). While I don't want us to get so far afield as to lose participants, I feel that matters pertaining to stories about our ancestors, including things such as area geography, work, religious life, etc., of our ancestors to be fair game on this list. And while we don't want to disparage ancestors by simple gossip, particular incidences of life in the mountain communities add meat to our research and help us to see them as individuals, not just corporate members of the community. Linda and Shawna both have web pages up and running at: (Linda) http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse/ (Shawna) http://www.concentric.net/~Shahall/index.html#CONTENTS Sherry Osborn also has a page of Transylvania related genealogy, but I have lost her URL. Sherry, would you post it for us? Kindest regards, Philip Sheppard Listowner, NCTRANSY-L, NCMACON-L

Re: Gordon's question on ceceder churches. This is just my speculation. I have my ggfather's minutes ledger from when he was clerk of the Sasafrass Gap Primitive Baptist Church. Near as I can tell, this church came into being in the 1870's and it appears that this church "seceded" from Sols Creek. It contains a partial list of members and many were former members, including my gggfather James N. Cathey, who was one of the founders of Sols Creek. I believe this church bit the dust sometime during the mid-1880's and most of the members returned to Sols Creek. James N. Cathey's 1888 obituary mentions that he "saw the error of his ways" and re-joined Sols Creek before his death. I haven't found any other mention of this church, other than the minutes that I have, but it makes for hysterical reading. Members were ex-communicated for "speaking evil indignities" (whatever that is) and similar stuff. They were quite radical, believing in foot washing and such. Bet there were a few of these radical "cededer churches" up in those mountains. Re: the Plott hounds. This is from "Western NC - a History", by John Preston Arthur. "The motive which prompted the settlement of most of the mountain counties was the desire of the pioneers to hunt game. To that end dogs were necessary, the long bodied, long legged, deep mouthed hound being used for deer, and a sort of mongrel, composed of cur, bull and terrier, was bred for bear. The Plott dog, called after the famous bear hunter, Enos Plott, of the Balsam mountains of Haywood county, was said to be the finest bear dogs in the State". No mention of the Plott Balsams, though. Shawna

Everyone: Wow! A succinct query from Phil, and Linda responds with a detailed answer including descendants, inter-relationships, geographic details and - at no extra charge - the tale of a double murder. I'm already impressed beyond words (and jealous to boot) when I realize that she has topped it off by demonstrating the scholarly instinct to point out the one or two areas where her research leads to an ambiguity or where her knowledge is less than comprehensive. As we say here in California, I'm totally blown away! Linda, your humor adds wonderful zest to these e-mails, but what you've got packed away between your ears is absolutely priceless. As one of the ancestor-challenged (not enough great great grandparents to go around), I agree that being related from two or three directions is sufficient; but, just as Phil is "not allowed" to be related to the rest of us from a fourth or fifth direction, you are hereby required to live forever. Either that, or we'll have to arrange to have your brain hooked up to a computer so that we can continue to access your data. Thoughts/queries: * I'm getting used to situations like having relatives named Obed where it turns out that there was no discernible intent to refer to Obediah of the Bible, but since our common ancestors grew up within a few miles of Mt Pisgah (you know, Moses being allowed a glimpse of the promised land from atop the mountain even though he wasn't allowed to enter), what do you - any of you - figure are the odds that Ninive refers to the Ninevah where Jonah was sent? ** BTW, tracing it backwards, 11th edition Britannica speculates that Ninevah, capital of the Assyrian empire, may itself have been named after a district of the earlier Babylonian city of Lagash. * Another spelling problem: one of Sherry's sites has an old narrative indicating that certain Galloways were members of the "ceceder" church. Any ideas here? Had they seceded (withdrawn) from some previous affiliation? * A bit tangential, but who else could I ask?: I'm up to speed on "laurel" = rhododendron and "ivy" = mountain laurel, but what are "he-balsam" and "she-balsam"? * Any sources (electronic or otherwise) on the rugged individualist whom the Plott Balsams (mountains) and Plott hounds are named after? Responses on any of the above would be appreciated (even from non-cousins or those I'm only related to once or twice). As non-genealogical, any responses on the last two should probably be direct rather than through the list. Thanks to all, Gordon Owen Linda Raxter wrote: > > Dearest Cousin Phil, > You are not allowed to be descended from these folks - you and I are already so > related you're at the top of my list if I ever need a kidney transplant - right > next to Judy & Shawna. > > Rachel is the dtr of Thomas Bracken(1800-1880) & Elizabeth Kitchen (1808-?). > Her folks are buried at Bracken Cemetery. Rachel was born 27SEP1834 and died > 13JUN1910, is buried at Wood cemetery in Gloucester and her cemetery record in > Montieth's book is wrong (imagine that), so use mine. > > John was born in 1848 and I have yet to figure out which Woods he came out of. > Family Bible records show that he was murdered with his son 19FEB1900. Had to > do a little door knocking to find the specifics. There are several different > versions of the story but basically, John & son "Mess" went to Tennessee > (Either to escape person looking to kill son or to find work). Someone came to > the house and killed "Mess". John was caught in the crossfire and received a > bullet in the knee and died from the resulting infection soon after. Both are > buried in Tennessee. Some rumors suggest Mess had irritated someone over a > Civil War issue. But, the murderer was a previously convicted murderer who was > fresh out of prison for killing the last guy. J.B. McCall actually went to > Tennessee to get the specifics and found the grave, name of murderer, court > records etc. > > Daughter Mary Loucinda married Baxter Owen in Ninive - They are buried at Mtn > View Bapt Church in Gloucester. Their dtr Margaret married James Estes Hoxit > (Starting to sound familiar). Margaret & Estes are my great grandparents and > are buried at holly Spring Baptist Church in Henderson County. > > Son Thomas married "Bell" Hoxit. Thomas was a hugh man known to appreciate his > liquor a bit much. He had one of the first pick-up trucks in the area. > Grandpa got a ride with him once and says the bed of the truck was about the > size of a wheelbarrow. Thomas & Bell are buried up at Wood cemetery, too. > > BTW - Do you know where Ninive is? Didn't think so. It took me three months > of roaming Gloucester to find someone old enough to remember. Keitha Reid, > postmistress and general matriarch of Balsam Grove couldn't even tell me, > though she did mention that someone else had once asked about it. Emmett > Moore, the oldest man in the community at age 88 was able to tell me. He also > remembered Baxter Owen, as Baxter was "the first dead person I ever saw". > Ninive was a small community on Tannassee Gap Road almost to the Jackson County > line. > > Philip Sheppard wrote: > > > Evening Rooters, > > > > I need the stats (birth/death/places/cemetery) on John B. Wood and his wife > > Rachel Bracken, parents of Mary Lucinda Wood (b. 1863) and Thomas J. Wood > > (b. 1872). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Philip Sheppard > > Beaufort, South Carolina > > -- > > Linda Hoxit Raxter > lraxter@citcom.net > See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys > http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse > > related to at least half the county - at least once ; )