Not quite. The John Owen who got the revolutionary War Grant had nothing to do with our owen problem. Now, Elizabeth Barton did find documented evidence that Thomas Owen was not the Father of this John Owen who we now know is completely unconnected with Western North Carolina. Which means that Thomas Owen & Elizabeth McCurry still could be John's grandparents. We are just back to ground zero on the parents. Never gotten anywhere with Elizabeth Owen who married Issac Glazener. Speaking of which.... see my next post Philip Sheppard wrote: > At 01:00 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Linda Raxter wrote: > > >Okay - David Allison did get a hugh land grant in return for his > >military service. That discovery pretty much got all the local > >researchers into a land grant frenzy. So if you are trying to find out > >how John Owen ended up in Transylvania County, you can go to the library > >and get a book with NC Revolutionary Land Grants where you will find > >that John Owen received an NC land grant. Easy to conclude that John > >was named after his father and that they arrived here to find their land > >grant. > > Linda, > > So what you're saying is that John Owen (married to Lavinia Parker) in only > conjecturally the son of John Owen and Anna Right, right? (had to do that) > And thus it would be only conjectural that John (jr) was the grandson of > Thomas Owen and Elizabeth McCurry? > > Does it still work that the Elizabeth B. Owen who married Isaac Glazner was > the sister of John (sr)? > > Confusedly, > > Philip Sheppard -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Linda wrote: >...Easy to conclude that John was named after his father and that they arrived here to find their land grant. Philip wrote: ...So what you're saying is that John Owen (married to Lavinia Parker) in only > conjecturally the son of John Owen and Anna Right, right? (had to do that) > And thus it would be only conjectural that John (jr) was the grandson of > Thomas Owen and Elizabeth McCurry? > > Does it still work that the Elizabeth B. Owen who married Isaac Glazner was > the sister of John (sr)? Talk about confused! I thought John (land-grant) Owen was as far back as anyone knew about. Now - if I'm understanding the two of you - the good news is that John (Sr?) had known parents and the bad news is that the John a lot of us are descended from wasn't necessarily the son of the earlier one. Is that what you're saying? Wasn't the John Owen in the Cathey Creek church records married to Anna? So he was in the mountains, but maybe without the land-grant? If so, the senior-junior connection would still be possible. Rather have grandparents for John, Jr., than a lost inheritance anyway. Gordon Owen

Phillip William Jackson Owen [mine,not cousin Gordon's] died November 1 1889 in Macon county North Carolina,and as far as I know was was buried in that county.I have a way to find out where,but will get that info for you later.According to the info I have now Elizabeth Jane died about 12 days after the twins were born on March 30 1884.We have them as being born in Ninevah North Carolina,so she is probably buried somewhere close by. William Jackson married Ellen Penland shortly after Elizabeth died.They had one son named Johnnie.She was considerably younger than he was and did not stick around for long,[remember that temper].His siblings were. Jason Marsen Born October 25,1839 died ? married Louisa Loyd Margaret Caroline 11/22/1842 3/21/1896 James Wylie Walker &Unknown Glazner Elizabeth Jane Owen [another one!] 11/1/1843-8/20/1872 married James M Williams[possibly also married to Pulaski Glazner ?] John Asbury Owen 10/25/1845-8/6/1908 married to Lavada Ledford,Rachel Rhodes,Fannie Nichols,Lathey Stiles.[maybe he should have been named after his Parker ancestors"Solomon"]. Mary Lavinia Owen 9/1/1849-10/10/1867 married to Joseph Howard Samuel Newton Owen 7/16/1851-? married to Lucinda Adeline Foster. Malinda Catherine Owen 5/1/1853-4/10/1936 married Jesse Harrison Burch on 3/22/1874 in Haywood County NC Jesse Coleman Owen 1/17/1855-1/3/1932 married to Mary Sophronia McConnell James Washington Owen 2/2/1857-8/19/1927 married to Mary Roxie Hogsed [we drove up to Dustin Oklahoma and found him lying peacefully in a picturesque little cemetary,just last weekend.] Belive it or not their are actually small mountains in Hughes County.We are on a mission to reconnect with his descendants,so if their are any of you out there please answer back. Colombus Jehu Owen 2/22/1860-3/9/1860 Robert David Franklin Owen 5/1/1861-7/17/1931 married to either Mary R Hogsed or N A Hogsed. according to another source there was also an Anne Elizabeth Owen born 11/1/1847 and married to Isaac Gillispie Thanks for your reply,hope this helps Jerry Owen

To all, In building my collection of old family photos, I am wondering (really hoping) that someone may have an old photograph of which I could obtain a copy. All expenses will be paid. I am looking for old family photos of the following individuals: Ella Mae Owen (1889 - 1919, married John Henry Medlock) William Jasper Owen (1867 - 1928, married Novella Jane Shuler) Jesse Roland Owen, Sr. (1822 - 1892, married Judith R. Reid) Judith R. Reid (1827 - 1910, married Jesse Roland Owen, Sr.) John Owen, Jr. (1797 - 1876, married Lavinia Parker) Lavinia Parker (1796 - 1872, married John Owen, Jr.) James William Reid (1803 - 1865, married Lucretia Dillard) Lucretia Dillard (1801 - 1860, married James William Reid) ancestors of above (probably really old photos) Benjamin Perry Fisher (1830 - 1906, married Nancy Ann Patterson) Nancy Ann Patterson (1840 - 1907, married Benjamin Perry Fisher) James Fisher (1795 - 1862, married Mary Darcus Gillon) Mary Darcus Gillon (1798 - 1880, married James Fisher) If anyone could help me with this, I would be extremely grateful. Thanks, Tony Smart Atlanta, GA tony_smart@peoplesoft.com

At 01:00 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Linda Raxter wrote: >Okay - David Allison did get a hugh land grant in return for his >military service. That discovery pretty much got all the local >researchers into a land grant frenzy. So if you are trying to find out >how John Owen ended up in Transylvania County, you can go to the library >and get a book with NC Revolutionary Land Grants where you will find >that John Owen received an NC land grant. Easy to conclude that John >was named after his father and that they arrived here to find their land >grant. Linda, So what you're saying is that John Owen (married to Lavinia Parker) in only conjecturally the son of John Owen and Anna Right, right? (had to do that) And thus it would be only conjectural that John (jr) was the grandson of Thomas Owen and Elizabeth McCurry? Does it still work that the Elizabeth B. Owen who married Isaac Glazner was the sister of John (sr)? Confusedly, Philip Sheppard

She is a very sweet lady, and has helped many of us out, and has great really great stories about our families but... She doesn't always match up the documentation right on the folks way way back there. Specifically when it comes to Revolutionary War Grants, there is a big problem. Okay - David Allison did get a hugh land grant in return for his military service. That discovery pretty much got all the local researchers into a land grant frenzy. So if you are trying to find out how John Owen ended up in Transylvania County, you can go to the library and get a book with NC Revolutionary Land Grants where you will find that John Owen received an NC land grant. Easy to conclude that John was named after his father and that they arrived here to find their land grant. WRONG. Ditto with William Parker. Problem is that Owen & Parker are not exactly unusual names. And I sometimes believe there was once a law requiring a William & John in every family. Here are the specifics if you ever run into a land grant rumor. Present day Hogback, Gloucester, & Eastatoe in Transylvania County (the souther thirdish of the county) were all pretty much in Land Grant 230 to George Lattimer in 1796, except the part that was still Cherokee, well okay, it included some parts that were still Cherokee which were later voided in a messy NC Supreme Court Case Brown vs Smathers as a result. If you are really into this stuff - the details are in "The History of Land Titles in Western North Carolina" by George A Smathers, who was the attorney for The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians way back when they were trying to become legal. In Elizabeth Barton's defense, once she gets down to John Owen & Lavinia Parker, her accuracy goes way up. Yes, we know James Owen was a soldier on the Trail of Tears in 1838 and we are missing say a couple of decades I believe before his son and neice eloped on the way to to Towns County GA as James was fleeing the area to save his skin. Considering that following The Cherokee Removal, many of them came back over the next few dacades, it is possible that the brother he made mad by killing a Cherokee had just arrived back from the reservation when he left town. Of course he could have just recently killed someone else. For some reason lots of people fled to Towns County GA when they had made someone mad enought to shoot them. Not sure what they did in Towns Co to attract this kind of attention. As for the Owen & Parker families. I suspect they came up from South Carolina like most early settlers, leaving just enought paper to tease us then quickly dissappearing again. Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Dear Cousins, I am looking for information on the following: In looking over the dates for our William Galloway, I have him marrying Hannah Powell in 1845 at the age of 81 and fathering a child two years later. Is this correct? Three of Thomas Harrison Galloway's childlren married Pattersons. One was my great grandfather Edward Hope, who married Jestina. His brother Lyman Thayer married Selina. I have their dates, and names and dates for their children and some grandchildren. I know that Jestina and Selina are daughters of Asa Patterson and Neely Nix, but I need dates, ancestors, etc. on Asa and Neely. Also, Hope and Lyman's sister N. Charlotte married John B. Patterson, but I can't find him anywhere. Is he a brother to Jestina and Selina? I would really like to locate descendents of Lyman and Selina, also John if he is their brother, as we would be double kin. If there are any of you out there, I would be so happy to hear from you. Verne Gravley Clubb Chester, VA

Linda Elizabeth was the daughter of Jesse Owen and Juda Reid,which means she did not have to get used to a new name.In regards to the Trail of Tears incident,we have proof that James was one of the North Carolina militia who accompanied the Cherokee Indians on the trip,However there are some time discrepancies in his leaving North Carolina for Georgia which we have to clear up before we can accept the Indian killing story,which we first heard from Elizabeth Barton.I do not have time to go into detail now,but will do so later.Thanks for answering my post. Cousin Jerry

Having finally determined that this dear gentleman is my ancestor, I'm having some problems sorting out his life. What I do know is that there is a rock for him at Old Toxaway Cemetery. H.P. Morgan 12MAY1832 - 02MAY1919 That's it. Sum total of my documented knowledge of the man. 1. Was he born on the Hiawassee River in TN? Or was he born in NC as he claims in the census records? 2. And who were his parents? Were they some more space aliens? 3. Did he have a sister named Sarah who married William D. Galloway since she seems hard to find as well, and doesn't really seem to be the daughter of Squire Morgan like I was hoping? 4. And where is his death certificate? It's not at the Transylvania County Courthouse? Did they even bother to file one? 5. Will I ever have a nice normal ancestor who came over on the Mayflower so that the research is already done for me? BTW - Granny finally fessed up to being about 1/4 Cherokee. No hints as to which parts except it comes from both parents. Makes sense, both parents came from the same set of people who conspired to drive me nuts. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

>Phillip > Elizabeth Jane Owen is my Great Great Grandmother. Dear Cousin Jerry, So THAT'S your line! What great stories! That's the kind of stuff that makes genealogy more than just names and dates. I had your descent from William Jackson Owen, but didn't have a spouse for him. Do you have info on the other children? In what county did Elizabeth Jane and William die and where are they buried? Also, do you have any other siblings for William Jackson. I have only one: Malinda C. Owen who married Jesse H. Burch. Does this sound familiar?: Looks like we're cousins several times over! Thanks, Jerry. Much appreciated!! Many kind regards, Cousin Philip

They were trying to keep a low profile. Father-in-law James Owen was a soldier on The Trail of Tears. Elizabeth Barton told me that he had to move to Georgia as a result. On the trip to Oklahoma he ended up having to kill a prominent Cherokee from this area. He moved to Towns County Georgia because he was afraid some of the Cherokee who stayed in Gloucester( in present Transylvania Co NC) would kill him as a result. Do you know Elizabeth's Maiden name or who her parents were? jerry owen wrote: > Phillip > Elizabeth Jane Owen is my Great Great Grandmother.She was born > February 13,1846 and died April 12,1884.She was married to William > Jackson Owen.He was the son of James Owen,who was the brother of Jesse > Owen.There is a mountain story to the effect that he sneaked her out of > the house when she was only about fourteen and took her to the mountains > of Georgia.We have recently found them in the 1870 Towns county Georgia > census.They have been really hard to track,almost as if they > deliberately kept a low profile.-- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Phillip Elizabeth Jane Owen is my Great Great Grandmother.She was born February 13,1846 and died April 12,1884.She was married to William Jackson Owen.He was the son of James Owen,who was the brother of Jesse Owen.There is a mountain story to the effect that he sneaked her out of the house when she was only about fourteen and took her to the mountains of Georgia.We have recently found them in the 1870 Towns county Georgia census.They have been really hard to track,almost as if they deliberately kept a low profile.We have been able to begin putting some substance to their lives.We know that they had at least nine children,William Sherman[my great grandfather],Samuel,Clelan,Akin,Vance,Hassie,Sarah,and twins Albert and Alice. However in the 1870 census they appear to have two children which we did not know about,Jeremiah and Margaret.We know that she cooked a baked possum and sweet potato dish that was so delicious that it was considered a special Sunday treat.Every Sunday she would send the boys out to get as fat a possum as they could find.Apparently as it slowly baked the fat and the sweet potato would blend together and create an unbelievable aroma and taste.[Just writing this is starting to make my mouth water.] We also know that they owned an old Grandfather clock,which is still in one of my cousins possession today. There is strange but true story about the clock.When William Jackson was dying[he was kicked by a cow that he had lost his temper and was kicking],my Great Grandmother Sarah Elizabeth[William Sherman's wife]was sitting up wiith him.As soon as he took his last gasping breath she looked at the clock to see what time it was and at that very moment the clock stopped.The clock passed on to Sarah E,but they could not get it to work for a long time.They did eventually get it to run and Sarah E brought it with her when the family moved to Texas.Sarah E died January 26,1962 in Dallas Texas at the age of 94.Her daughters were with her when she died and when they looked at the clock it had stopped running at the exact time she died.Strange but definately true.I will keep you posted if I learn any thing else about Elizabeth Jane. Jerry Owen

Afternoon, I am looking for any information on Elizabeth Jane OWEN who was the daughter of Jesse and Juda REID OWEN. Elizabeth was born in 1846 but I have no other info on her. Many thanks, Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina

This one is a heart breaker. The last family group is that of Lemuel Scruggs. It starts with two graves with broken headstones which leaves only the last line intact. I was able to piece together enough of the first one to almost make it out. The second one doesn't even have the pieces, only bits of the base. I tried everything and every angle to try to read the words without success. But when I moved onto Lemuel Scruggs' grave, the sun just happened to be perfect and made the remaining words jump out. GONE BUT FORGOTTEN Last week an anthropologist from UNC - Chapel Hill asked me why I am surveying the cemeteries This small broken marker says it all The cemetery is listed at http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse/cemetery/glazner1.html If any SCRUGGS family researchers can find the name of this child, please let me know. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Afternoon, Does anyone have information on the descendants of the children of James Madison Whitmire and his second wife, Nancy A. Young, listed below? Anyone know where any of these folks are buried? Thanks, Philip 1 James Madison Whitmire b: December 11, 1837 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: December 26, 1913 in Transylvania County, North Carolina *2nd Wife of James Madison Whitmire: Nancy A. Young, b. June 17, 1838 in Transylvania County, North Carolina, d. September 12, 1910 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Robert R. Whitmire b: July 16, 1866 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: May 08, 1882 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Samuel Whitmire b: November 06, 1868 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: June 14, 1882 .2 Cora S. Whitmire b: May 25, 1871 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: October 07, 1931 in Transylvania County, North Carolina +General Jackson Whitmire b: December 18, 1852 in Transylvania County, North Carolina m: Abt. 1900 d: January 31, 1938 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Ella G. Whitmire b: November 08, 1873 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: February 17, 1892 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 J. D. Whitmire b: 1875 in Transylvania County, North Carolina .2 Richard H. Whitmire b: June 24, 1877 in Transylvania County, North Carolina d: June 13, 1893 in Transylvania County, North Carolina

Re: Davidson River Cemetery, Brevard, NC Does anyone know if there is a cemetery association for this cemetery? If so who is the contact person for the cemetery? If not, who is maintaining this cemetery? Re: Shaw's Creek Campground Cemetery, Horseshoe, NC Does anyone know who is the contact person for this cemetery; I know that there is a cemetery assocation or a group that is maintaining it. Thanks. Virginia Green GGreen2158@aol.com

Hello Everyone, There is a wonderful site with lots of information about many of our Transylvania and Clay Co. surnames. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/7150/ Many THANKS to Alex for this site & to Mom for helping her. I found some new Kitchen(s) names that I am not familiar with who are buried in the cemeteries listed below. I would appreciate help in identifying: KITCHEN, J.H. & D.F. KITCHEN, Myrtle M. KITCHEN, Overton KITCHEN, Carter Nelson KITCHEN, Sarah M. KITCHENS, Alice A KITCHENS, Gemima Kathleen Kitchin Dillard Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery Transylvania Co. NC Behind Macedonia Church Road in Silversteen Community Row 8 Loc Last First, Comment Birth Death 15 KITCHEN Beulah K. D/O J.H. & D. Kitchen 06 MAR 1900 12 APR 1900 16 KITCHEN Verone D/O J.H. & D.F. Kitchen 04 APR 1906 05 APR 1906 Row 9 1 A KITCHEN Myrtle M. 23 JUL 1905 11 MAR 1987 1 B KITCHEN Overton 02 MAY 1901 23 MAY 1969 Row 10 14 KITCHEN Hobert S/O CN & Sarah Kitchen 14 MAY 1898 10 OCT 1918 15 KITCHEN Sarah M. W/O C.N. Kitchen 13 MAY 1879 18 JUN 1949 16 KITCHEN Carter Nelson 16 MAR 1878 01 NOV 1952 Old Kitchen Farm Cemetery Geisky Creek Road (#1164), Clay County, NC Row Loc Name Comment Birth Death 2 Alice A KITCHENS (just behind John Kitchens Grave 06 SEP 11 NOV 1876 5 Gemima KITCHENS 21 OCT 1854 15 JUL 1855 Dillard Cemetery(SGH)located near the East Sylva Baptist Church in Jackson Co. NC NAME DATE OF BIRTH DATE OF DEATH Kathleen Kitchin Dillard 4-9-1910 8-6-1941 Any information appreciated. Thank you for your time and consideration. Rena Anderson Pittman rena@texramp.net

This was sent to me by my cousin in SC: >From The Pickens Sentinel, Pickens, SC, July 30, 1998 - Galloway Reunion: Descendants of Thomas Harrison Galloway, James Earl Galloway, Hope Galloway, Zubleon (Zebulon?) Galloway, and Davis Galloway are invited to a reunion Sunday, August 9, at the Table Rock State Park at the recreation building called the 'Barn'. Take West gate and follow the signs. Bring picnic lunch, ice, and beverage. Plates, cups, napkins, and eating utensils are furnished. For more information call Eleanor Massey (864)246-5286, Tommy Galloway (864)682-9117, or Waymon Galloway (704)862-4990. Thought some of you might be interested. Verne Gravley Clubb

Thought this would be of interest to members of our lists... Regards, Philip Sheppard Listowner: NCMACON, NCTRANSY ROOTSWEB ON RADIO: On Monday morning, July 27, 1998, National Public Radio played an interview with Cyndi Howells about genealogy and the Internet. The NPR program was "Morning Edition" with Bob Edwards. You can listen to the interview over the Internet using Real Audio. If you don't already have Real Audio loaded on your computer, you can download the program at: <http://www.real.com/products/player/download.html>. Once it is installed, go to <http://www.npr.org/news/tech/> and click on the Audio graphic. The Real Audio file of the interview may also be accessed at <http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/980727.me.05.ram> ROOTSWEB ON TV: Megan Zurawicz, National Coordinator, USGenWeb, reports that "Stephanie Berger, a producer for CNET Central's subsidiary television show 'The Web,' kindly let me know that this weekend they'll be running a show with a section on genealogy. She said that they tried to include as many sites as they could. It only runs on the Sci-Fi Channel, so if you don't get that, you won't be able to see it. However, we'll post a transcript of what they said about USGW after it's over." For the schedule of local times the program will air, please visit <http://www.cnet.com/Content/Tv/Studio/Preview/>.

At 09:19 PM 7/29/98 -0400, Linda Raxter wrote: >The rest got easy and I added two >more connections to William Galloway, bringing my current total to 6 - >not bad considering Mom is a closet Yankee from New Hampshire <g>. Gotta dilute the gene pool somehow! :~) >One thing anyway - connection number 6 - through Mary, is by son Robert >by William's second wife. The others are one through dtr Elizabeth and >four through son John. Hmmm.... I only have five of your descents. We need to compare notes. Sniff, sniff, I only have one descent from William. Philip