Research would be much simpler if one day in 1838 there were Cherokee in Western North Carolina and the next day there wasn't. To read some history books, that's about the feeling you get. It was much much more complex with the good news being that the Cherokee didn't just go away like they were supposed to. Anyway, I have posted a map showing some of the major US Land Grabs (technically called Treaties) and what areas of WNC they affected. The topic is still much more complex, but at least this will get you started. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county at least once ; )

I received this on the Dalton list and thought it would be of sorrowful interest to others. Be vigilant! Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina Listowner: NCMACON-L, NCTRANSY-L >If you are interested in the outrageous (and legal) removal and >destruction of old cemeteries, please read the newspaper article from >Indiana (shown below the addresses). If you are compelled, as I was, to >write I have provided the addresses. I spent quite a bit of time >looking up all the folks mentioned in the news article. I will be >writing and sending cc:'s to all the addresses below. Maybe letters to >the editor of the Star & News would also help. >Cindy Palmer ><palmerv@earthlink.net> > >ADDRESSES for People involved with the cemetery removal story: > >Bill Shaw, Writer >Indianapolis Star & News >307 N Pennsylvania St, >Indianapolis, IN 46204-1811 >(765) 457-6712 > >Department of Natural Resources (3 individuals were mentioned in news) >Jon C. Smith, Director of Division of Historic Preservation and >Archaeology >Rick Jones, Chief Archaeologist >Amy L. Johnson, Research Archaeologist >Indiana Department of Natural Resources >402 W Washington St # W256, >Indianapolis, IN 46204-2739 >(317) 232-4020 > >Duke Realty Investments Inc. (2 individuals were mentioned in news) >Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director >Donna Coppinger, Vice President of Marketing >Duke Realty Investments Inc. >8888 Keystone Xing #1200 >Indianapolis, IN 46240-4621 >(317) 846-4700 > >NES Inc. >11400 Grooms Road >Cincinnati, OH 45242-1417 >(513) 247-800 > >Stephen Nawrocki, Anthropologist >University of Indianapolis >1400 E Hanna Ave, >Indianapolis, IN 46227-3697 >(317) 788-3368 > >Central Indiana Farm Bureau >1530 W Epler Ave, >Indianapolis, IN 46217-9681 >(317) 783-2311 > >Central Indiana Farm Bureau >229 Muessing Rd, >Indianapolis, IN 46229-2807 >(317) 894-3311 > >Indiana Farm Bureau Incorporated >225 S East St, >Indianapolis, IN 46202-4058 > (317) 692-7851 > >Indiana Farm Bureau Svc >225 S East St, >Indianapolis, IN 46202-4058 >(317) 692-7838 > >I could not find addresses for the following: >1) Jeannine Kreinbrink, archaeologist now works for Natural and Ethical >Environmental Solutions Inc., Liberty Township, Ohio. >2) Indiana General Assembly >3) Danny J. White > >NEWSPAPER ARTICLE Margy Miles wrote: > >> The Death of a Cemetery >> Wayne Township graveyard destroyed for warehouse shows final resting >> places aren't so final under state law. >> >> By Bill Shaw >> Indianapolis Star/News >> INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 22, 1998) -- Sometime in 1844, James Rhoads, a >> prominent Wayne Township farmer, died. He was 70. His family members >> and friends buried him in a grove of walnut trees on a hill >> overlooking a little creek. >> >> It was the first burial in what would become Rhoads Cemetery. During >> the next half-century, 43 members of the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude >> families would be sent to eternity in the walnut grove. >> >> The tiny cemetery was the scene of extraordinary grief over the years >> as members of the four families repeatedly journeyed in horse-drawn >> wagons across the sweeping fields and up the lonesome hill to bury >> their children. >> >> Thomas B. Rhoads was 7 months old in August 1849 when he died of an >> inflamed brain. Elmer Shute was 2 when he died of a bowel infection in >> August 1859. Hiram Foltz was an infant. George Foltz was 1. Lillian >> Rhoads was 2 and died of whooping cough on Aug. 13, 1878. Casey Rhoads >> died of an inflamed brain when he was 2. Emma Rude died at 18 months. >> >> On and on they died until there were 35 children buried in the >> peaceful cemetery on the hill. >> >> By the dawn of the 20th century, the burying ceased as the four >> families either died out or drifted away from southern Wayne Township. >> Nobody paid much attention to the old cemetery anymore. >> >> The cemetery and surrounding farmland changed owners several times. >> Each new owner farmed the fields and tended the old cemetery out of >> respect for earlier generations of Hoosier families. The farmers could >> have knocked down the trees, plowed under the tombstones, planted corn >> on the graves and made a few more dollars at harvest. >> >> But they didn't. >> >> The pace of change in Wayne Township picked up dramatically in 1931 >> when the Indianapolis airport opened on 900 acres, gobbling up >> farmland and triggering a development explosion in western Marion >> County. >> >> Still, the land around the old cemetery remained untouched, save for >> the annual spring plowing. The burying ground remained unmolested, >> decade after decade, hidden on the hill in a 60-foot-wide opening in >> the walnut grove >> >> Danny J. White grew up in the Lafayette Heights neighborhood, just >> south of the cemetery. In the 1970s, the field around the cemetery >> served as a dirt bike track for White and his teen-age buddies. He >> crossed it many times walking to Ben Davis High School. The old >> dead-end dirt road served as a teen-age lovers' lane. Neighborhood >> families held picnics beneath a massive, gnarled oak tree just east of >> the cemetery. >> >> White, 41, is a tool and die maker and an Indy Racing League mechanic. >> He helped fabricate the car Eddie Cheever drove to victory in the 1998 >> Indianapolis 500. >> >> Every day driving to work along I-465 near the airport, he'd glance to >> the east through the sprawl of hotels, office buildings, warehouses, >> parking lots, gas stations and fast food joints, and take comfort that >> the solitary hill and the dark grove of trees remained in this mass of >> concrete and asphalt. >> >> "Even when I was a kid the cemetery and the area surrounding it was >> breathtaking," he recalled. >> >> In the name of development >> >> By 1995, the fields that stretched to the horizon when James Rhoads >> was buried so long ago had shrunk to 21.2 acres. >> >> Now jet planes scream overhead, and the rumble of nearby I-70 and >> I-465 is constant. Cement trucks and construction equipment line the >> old lovers' lane, and new buildings seem to appear daily, landscaped >> with skinny stick trees, surrounded by acres of asphalt. >> >> One day about 18 months ago, Danny J. White was driving to work and >> glanced toward the familiar hill and the concealed cemetery. He was >> startled to see it surrounded by yellow trucks, graders, backhoes and >> dirt scrapers. >> >> He raced immediately to the cemetery and felt his stomach heave. The >> tombstones were gone. There were ugly gashes in the earth. The big >> yellow machines had pulled the graves from the earth. >> >> "It was sickening," he recalled. He was furious. He made dozens of >> phone calls and fired off angry letters to an assortment of government >> officials seeking an explanation. >> >> He got one. >> >> It was all quite legal, according to state officials. Now go away and >> quit bothering us, Danny J. White. >> >> He wondered how such an abomination could occur in conservative, >> family-values Indiana where, he, like most Hoosiers, was raised to >> respect the dead and revere their hallowed, final resting place. >> >> "How did this happen?" he asked. "You don't mess with graves." >> >> Well, here's what happened, Danny. They do mess with graves. >> >> James Rhoads, Thomas, Henry, Casey, Elmer and the other children and >> eight adults who rested more than 150 years in the safety of the >> walnut grove became the property of Duke Realty Investments Inc. >> >> Duke, which owns or manages 60 million square feet of real estate in >> eight states, bought the 21.2 acres and the 360-square-foot cemetery >> in 1995. >> >> "We purchased the land for development purposes," explained Donna >> Coppinger, the helpful vice president of marketing for Duke. "We >> couldn't develop a site with a cemetery on it." >> >> Why? >> >> "It wasn't what we wanted to do," she said. >> >> Duke will soon level the hill and build a 458,000-square-foot bulk >> distribution warehouse on the 21.2 acres, obliterating the >> one-tenth-acre Rhoads Cemetery. >> >> It's legal >> >> Nearly two years ago, after they bought the land Duke hired an >> archaeology company called NES Inc. in Blue Ash, Ohio, and together >> they filed the necessary forms with the Indiana Department of Natural >> Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology to dig up >> the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude families. >> >> State laws, which are made by the 150 members of the Indiana General >> Assembly with extensive guidance from corporate lobbyists, allow >> property owners to demolish old cemeteries they find on their land. >> Throw away the tombstones, plant corn or build a warehouse on the >> graves. It's legal. >> >> DNR's chief archaeologist Rick Jones is monitoring the Duke >> demolition. He said his agency issues about 10 cemetery relocation >> permits a year. How many cemeteries simply are destroyed, he doesn't >> know. "We have no way of knowing," he said. >> >> But throwing away tombstones and paving over graves doesn't require a >> permit. Just do it. It's legal. In fact, old tombstones often end up >> in flea markets. >> >> "Most people think cemeteries are forever," Jones explained slowly and >> uncomfortably. This is not a topic most state officials enjoy >> discussing. "In Indiana, cemeteries are not forever. If you own the >> property, you can bulldoze them down. Basically, in Indiana, nothing >> is sacred." >> >> Digging into graves and moving them does require some paperwork, >> except for farmers who are exempt from even that minor inconvenience. >> >> "Farmers can just throw away the tombstones and plow up the graves," >> said Jones. "And they do. The Indiana Farm Bureau got the legislature >> to exempt farmers." >> >> A couple years ago, DNR proposed a bill to offer some mild protection >> for old pioneer cemeteries. Corporate lobbyists smothered the bill in >> committee, and it never received even token consideration. >> >> The end of Rhoads >> >> Anyway, Duke's cemetery demolition project proceeded under DNR Digging >> Permit 960062. >> >> NES Inc. archaeologist Jeannine Kreinbrink directed the removal of >> "remains," once known in another life as James Rhoads, Elmer, Thomas, >> Casey and others. >> >> Kreinbrink, who now works for Natural and Ethical Environmental >> Solutions Inc. of Liberty Township, Ohio, did not return phone calls. >> >> She did submit a preliminary report, as required, to the DNR's Rick >> Jones. >> >> It's a haunting document, complete with photographs of the "remains." >> In many cases, much remains of the remains, like the perfectly >> preserved bones of little children, their arms crossed, lying in tiny >> hexagonal coffins. Pieces of shoes and clothing remain. >> >> The report also contains a diagram of each grave's location, the shape >> of the coffin and what was in it. Each former person is identified by >> a letter and a number. >> >> For example, C-2 was the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Sex >> unknown. Head to west. Arms at side." >> >> B-10 contained the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Arms folded >> with hands over waist." >> >> Mr. D-1 was obviously a wheat farmer because he was buried with a >> wheat scythe and a small plate. >> >> Infant D-6 was buried beneath 2.8 feet of dirt in a decorative metal >> coffin called a sarcophagus with a glass viewing window. >> >> E-7 was an older adult male with an engraved tulip on his coffin and >> the words "Rest In Peace." >> >> A-1 was the "poorly preserved remains of an infant, sex unknown. Few >> scattered post cranial remains." >> >> B-1 was an "adult female 20-35 years. Well-preserved remains." >> >> And on it went in graphic detail. Most people were buried under only 2 >> feet of dirt, symbolically facing the setting sun, the western >> horizon. >> >> "I feel a connection with these people," Rick Jones said quietly, >> flipping through the depressing document. "You feel something looking >> into a child's grave after 150 years. These are people that used to >> live, walk around and breathe. We're literally looking into the past >> and I feel a profound sense of respect." >> >> He paused, blinked a couple times. >> >> "This is a serious thing." >> >> Once Elmer and the others were dug up, labeled with numbers and >> letters, they were shipped to anthropologist Stephen Nawrocki at the >> University of Indianapolis on the Southside. >> >> He was hired by Duke under terms of digging permit 960062, which >> required an "osteological" investigation by an anthropologist. That is >> a study of the bones and "artifacts" for historical significance. >> >> "I haven't been cleared by Duke to discuss this with reporters. I'm >> just a sub, sub contractor," said Nawrocki. Jeannine Kreinbrink called >> and told him not to talk, he said. Her firm is paying his fees. >> >> When will your report be done, doctor? >> >> "I don't know." >> >> Once his report is complete, DNR will either order Duke to rebury the >> "remains" somewhere else or they will "be kept in a lab for future >> study," said Jones. >> >> Last December, Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director, Duke >> Construction Inc., fired off a stern letter to DNR officials. >> >> "Duke's schedule for construction start-up in this project area is >> rapidly approaching, so it is imperative that the (DNR) properly issue >> a clearance letter for this project area." >> >> Part of the reason for delay was DNR's displeasure with Jeannine >> Kreinbrink's preliminary report. Jon C. Smith, director of DNR's >> Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology, found about 40 >> points in her report he wanted explained, corrected or expanded upon >> -- like what did Duke plan to do with the "unwanted" headstones they >> dug up? >> >> On July 22, DNR issued a conditional permit to begin "ground >> disturbing activities" but demanded an archaeologist be present in >> case additional "human remains" are uncovered. >> >> "We'll probably start drainage work and soil things soon," said Donna >> Coppinger, the Duke marketing person. "Site preparation before winter >> means if we can get the site ready, we construct our industrial >> warehouse product this winter. The building will be 1,032 feet long >> and 440 feet wide." >> >> This is good news? "It is good news. We're good corporate neighbors," >> she said. >> >> Property of Duke >> >> The other day Danny J. White visited the old cemetery one last time >> before the ancient walnuts and solitary oak are bulldozed, the hill >> flattened and the "final" resting place for 35 kids and eight adults >> is erased from the face of the earth. >> >> He hiked through the alfalfa field, brimming with buzzing bees, >> butterflies and summer wildflowers and up the hill. He rummaged around >> through the dense brush at the edge of the cemetery. Day lilies >> planted 150 years ago around the graves still flourish. >> >> "Look what I found," he said suddenly, emerging from the brush with >> the broken top half of a tombstone bearing the words "WIFE OF JAMES >> RHOADS. DIED." He found it in a bulldozed pile of dirt between two old >> tires, beer cans and soda pop bottles. >> >> What to do? Surely the DNR would want Mrs. Rhoads' broken tombstone. >> It couldn't be left in the pile of tires and broken glass. Somebody >> might steal it. It might be demolished in "site preparation." It could >> be lost forever, a historic treasure, the last poignant symbol of a >> person's life, sacrificed on the altar of economic development and >> corporate neighborliness. >> >> A quick phone call to DNR research archaeologist Amy L. Johnson >> provided the answer. >> >> "Put it back," she said firmly. >> >> What? >> >> "Put it back," she said again. >> >> Why? >> >> "It belongs to Duke. It is their property." >> >> James Rhoads' wife's name was believed to be Hannah, and she died on >> July 24, 1849, at age 85. Her husband, remember, was the first person >> buried in the cemetery in August 1844. >> >> Her broken tombstone, which was carefully placed in the Hoosier soil >> during solemn, no doubt tearful, ceremonies 149 long summers ago, was >> returned to the pile of bulldozed dirt, tires, broken glass, beer and >> pop bottles. >> >> It belonged to Duke. >> >> It's the law. >> >> >> *

Does anyone know the names of the parents of my great-great grandfather Alfred Fletcher? Alfred FLETCHER b. 1856, __________, NC m. Mary Jane GLAZ(E)NER, 08 Sep 1879, Davidsons River Township, Transylvania, NC d. 1885, Transylvania, NC (?) (His grave is in the Glazener Cemetery, Brevard, NC) place of birth of father: NC place of birth of mother: GA children: Samantha, Grace, & Beulah Also, does anyone know more about Mary Jane GLAZENER's (my great-great grandmother) lineage? Mary Jane GLAZENER b. 1860, __________, NC m. 2nd husband Eddie M. Henson, 1903, Haywood County, NC d. 06 Apr 1933, Beaverdam, Haywood County, NC father: Jesse M. GLAZENER b. 07 Feb 1830, __________, NC m. Sallie NELSON, 1853 d. 23 Dec 1916, __________, NC (?) (Grave in Glazener Cemetery) mother: Sallie NELSON b. 10 Oct (Nov) 1834, _______, SC d. 19 Aug 1907, ___________, NC (Grave in Glazener Cemetery) --- gmf

I have an obituary from the The Brevard News dated 14Feb1929 which says: "Mrs. M. M. Nicholson, aged 79 years, passed away Tuesday morning about 10:30 o'clock at her home in West Brevard, following a lingering illness of the past three months. Funeral services were held Wednesday afternoon at the Brevard Methodist church, conducted by the pastor, Rev. A. L. Aycock. Interment was in Gillespie cemetery. In addition to her husband, Mrs. Nicholson is survived by five sons and one daughter, including: Roscoe, Radford, Santa, Banks, all of Brevard, Calloway, of Asheville, and Rubenia of Brevard. There are also 15 grand children. The pallbearers were the five sons and one grandson, George Nicholson." In addition, I have some letters written by Mrs. Nicholson ( Eliza Ann) to her brother Lorenzo Dow Henderson of Texas. Eliza Ann was the daughter of Nathaniel Howard Henderson and Amanda Garner of Cathey's Creek and she married Marrett Marr Nicholson 24 Nov1872 in Translyvania county NC. I would like to make contact with any members of this family. I am a grandson of Lorenzo Dow Henderson and Eliza Ann Henderson Nicholson is my great Aunt. Bob Henderson Dallas TX

Over the next couple of days, lets keep our costal cousins in our thoughts and prayers. Judy and Phil are near the South Carolina Coast. Ann is currently packing up belongings and baby to leave her home 8 miles from the North Carolina Coast. I'm sure there are others out there as well. I always love for you to visit, but I would prefer it if you weren't blown up here by the storm. Take care of yourselves. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county at least once ; )

The headstone for Jimmie & Sallie says they were born 1790 & 1795 respectively. BUT... 1850&1870 census reports Jimmie was born about 1787 1850 census has Sarah born 1790 1870 census has her born 1784 (talk about pre-mature aging) and lists her as Elizabeth. Also - just wondering. Has anyone actually documented that Sarah Harriett Ussery was old William's first wife and the mother of Jimmie? We do have documented that there was ah, er, a fruitful relationship between William Galloway & Hannah Powell prior to the 1842 court case regarding the paterenity of the, um, result of the relationship when William was about 79 years old! But do we know for sure that his first wife was Sarah? Just checking and re-checking everything. Can't take anything for granted with these folks - including matrimony (In case you are wondering - the courts did finally seem to conclude Wm & Hannah were married - at least she ended up with the widow's pension after William's death). Still thinking about the rest of the William Galloway stuff. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county at least once ; )

Shawna What a small world! I Have been slowly putting it all together and this what I have come up with. The people living on the property you and Linda visited is indeed the Kropelnicki's,and they are descended from Alfred Henry Owen and his second wife Sarah E Banther. That makes them your half cousins. My aunt Fredna has spent quite a lot of time visiting with Winnie Kropelnicki,who owns a part of the original Owen property. You may remember I said in one of my letters that Bonnie Waldier came and spent some time visiting Winnie,and they had some small problem over their grandmothers.Well it turns out that Bonnie is descnded from Alfred Henry and his first wife Caroline Wood. That of course makes her your full cousin. My aunt Fredna went to Washington state and had a very nice and fruitful visit with her also.They exchanged a lot of info and some pictures. In my files I have a picture of an old John Baxter Owen family get together,which apparently also includes John W Owen as an old man. As far as I can determine Alfred Henry had a total of twelve children by his second wife. None of these people have ever mentioned any other women,and it appears that Alfred was a county commisioner and well respected. I have copies of some official papers calling him a commissioner of the court. I am listing his children by Sarah Banther exactly as it was given to me. Children of Alfred Henry Owen and Sarah E Banther 1. Clayton L Owen -B.Apr 26,1880 -D. Mar.6,1961-M.Lizzie Ellenburg and Mary Wood 2.Malinda Owen - B.June 14,1886-D.Dec.12,1962 M.Coleman Lowe [Juanita's daddy] 3.John Harrison Owen-BJuly 16,1889-D Mar.18,1931-M. Bessie Gravely 4.Mary {Maggie] Elmier Owen B. Feb.15,1891-D Oct.2,1918-M. A.J.Jack Akins. 5.James Henry Owen-B.Dec.15,1851 ? D. Feb.18,1918.M.Bessie Galloway 6.Arlesia Owen -B.Nov.26,1896.-D.Feb.9,1915-M.Arthur Parker 7.Ira Tillman Owen-BFeb.6,1899-D.Feb.11,1965.-M. Iva Lee Galloway 8.Ida Owen -B.Feb.4,1901-D.?-M. Carl Galloway 9.Jesse Dillard Owen-B.June 29,1903-D.Dec 2,1972 M.Pearl Mckinney [these are Winnie Kropelnicki's parents ] 10. Cynthia Ella Owen-B.May 24,1907-D.? M.Alda P. Hall and Alga Galloway 11.Infant son 12.Infant Daughter Hope this helps Jerry Owen

Last year I bought through big bookstore (Walden's probably) "The North Carolina Gazetteer", by William S. Powell, published by the University of North Carolina Press, PO Box 2288, Chapel Hill, NC 27515-2288. Think it was $16.95 (definitely under $20.00) When I was in Hendersonville this summer, I purchased: "North Carolina Atlas & Gazetteer" copyright 1997 DeLorme, PO Box 298, Yarmouth, ME04086 (207 846-7000) Http://www.delorme.com; it was $16.95. these are marvelous for those of us who live faraway. This site is also great: http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo; it's a Geographic Nameserver. Virginia

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------426A258967DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry all I left this one out ,as it was her first letter to me. Jerry --------------426A258967DA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from x14.boston.juno.com (x14.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.27]) by mail.texoma.net (8.8.5/CNET_TOP_500) with ESMTP id XAA10359 for <ebsinc@texoma.net>; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:07 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:07 -0500 (CDT) Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from beaemerson@juno.com) by x14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DLRCC79X; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:09:03 EDT To: ebsinc@texoma.net Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:09:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Owen Message-ID: <19980815.210908.3542.1.BEAEMERSON@juno.com> References: <35D12B6F.6CFC@texoma.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-19 From: beaemerson@juno.com (Beatrice C Emerson) Dear Jerry, Jesse Owen and Nancy Ann Crawford are my 5th great grandparents. Nancy Ann was the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Taylor Crawford. Jesse Owen was the son of John and Phoebe (Brackett)? Owen. John Owen's first wife was Sarah Brackett. There is some doubt about Phoebe's surname, and I descend from Phoebe. Do we have a match??? Bea Emerson On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:43:11 -0500 jerry owen <ebsinc@texoma.net> writes: >Hi > I am interested in your connection to the Owen,crawford and Brackett >families.Will be glad to share any info I have . > Thanks Jerry Owen > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------------426A258967DA--

Good Morning all I promised you all last week to keep you posted on my correspondence with Beatrice Emerson[adescendant of Jesse Owen and Ann Crawford].I am feeling a bit hesitant to do so,because it is probably going to give everyone a good laugh at my expense.That may be what we all need this morning,and I still beleive we may yet gain from this connection,so I am going to send all my correspondence with her in the sequence in which it occurred.The only thing missing is my original answer to her which I accidently deleted. She had failed to respond to my first letter by Thursday,so I wrote her back,and the various correspondence with her happened in the last three days.I think it is a good example of the lows and highs you can get from all this.I know that some of the older geneologists would say that this is the reason not to get to excited about new info untill it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt,but I guess I am just a very excitable and passionate person when it comes to this stuff.Anyway nothing ventured nothing gained! Jerry Owen Ps I am sure there is a way to combine all this into one email message,but untill I learn what it is I will have to do it the hard way.

This one is for Tony and all the other folks who keep wondering what the heck I'm talking about when I get into place names. This map still isn't what I want. I got it from the county book to recruit businesses to the area. Oddly, it focuses on waterfalls. But it will do for now until I find something better. http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse/alhn/transmap.html Next project will be to set up a surname something for us. I started just listing surname researchers, but everyone had about a dozen surnames - all involving Owens, Galloways, etc, so it really wasn't working very well. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )

Morning folks, Looking for the parents of Lewis Owen (1874-1952) who married Violet Jane Wood (1979-1956), daughter of Henry Bryson Wood and Sarah Rebecca Long. Thanks! Philip Sheppard Beaufort, South Carolina

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------429A1C4511C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case you haven't seen it ,I thought this pretty well says it all! Jerry --------------429A1C4511C8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from ebsinc.texoma.net (ppp-151-109-042.texoma.net [209.151.109.42]) by mail.texoma.net (8.8.5/CNET_TOP_500) with SMTP id WAA27063 for <ebsinc@texoma.net>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35DCF03E.30C6@texoma.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:57:50 -0500 From: jerry owen <ebsinc@texoma.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JERRY L OWEN <ebsinc@texoma.net> Subject: [Fwd: [TXGRAYSO-L] [TNMAURY-L] From DUGGER List] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mail.texoma.net (8.8.5/CNET_TOP_500) with ESMTP id VAA28233; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA06292; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808210227.WAA06908@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: PPCY19B@prodigy.com (MRS LINDA K JOBE) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:27:11, -0500 Old-To: DAWSON-L@rootsweb.com, GARNER-L@rootsweb.com, OHMONROE-L@rootsweb.com, TX_HILL_COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com, TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXGRAYSO-L] [TNMAURY-L] From DUGGER List Resent-Message-ID: <"OvPRXC.A.nhB.PwN31"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/102 X-Loop: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TXGRAYSO-L-request@rootsweb.com So true, so true, and I wanted to let all see it... Sincerely, Linda << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Demastus Subject: [TNMAURY-L] From DUGGER List Date: 08/20 Time: 05:06 PM Return-Path: <TNMAURY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233. 233]) by clmin1-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19190; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:01:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13325; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Demastus@aol.com Message-ID: <6a2ddd21.35dc8c86@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:52:21 EDT Old-To: DEMASTUS-L@rootsweb.com, TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Subject: [TNMAURY-L] From DUGGER List Resent-Message-ID: <"Pd-0OD.A.fPD.xyI31"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1475 X-Loop: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TNMAURY-L-request@rootsweb.com It was the first day of census, and all through the land each pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride, his book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there, toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face and wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table and she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked her of children. Yes, she had quite a few -- the oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride, and she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... the marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head and saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot" was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear, but she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such, they could read some ... and write some ... though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done so he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear, "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me as we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow as we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day that the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew would they wonder at the yearning we feel and the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. --- Author unknown. ==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== Please remember to include your SURNAMES in the SUBJECT Line. << End of Forwarded message >> --------------429A1C4511C8--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------53742A6D6B6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That didn't work,lets try it again! --------------53742A6D6B6F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35D84CDA.3D11@texoma.net> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:31:38 -0500 From: jerry owen <ebsinc@texoma.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gowen@onestone.elsinore.klever.net Subject: Re: family characteristic References: <35D7FBE9.4F6DC6B4@global-access.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gordon Owen wrote: > > Hey Jerry! > > > Jerry wrote: "...definitely reminds me of my grandfather Owen...." > > Sounds like my grandfather, several great uncles, my dad, me, and my > brother.... Makes you wonder if the genes are at work. Remember, human > beings are DNA's way of reproducing itself. > > Gordon Gordon OK you got me! I have to fess up. Those characteristics soind like my entire family also. I think maybe DNA is the driving force behind all this geneology stuff. Maybe it's our ancestors way of trying to reassert themselves and let us know who is really running the show.The same voice seems to be speaking in California,Texas,North Carolina,South Carolina,and Michigan and who knows where else.You might say the old mountain people are being reunited by the new fangled contraptions [computers]. I definately feel like I know all of the Owen researchers and I have never met any of you. Hope you don't mind me forwarding this to the list. Jerry --------------53742A6D6B6F--