At 07:10 PM 1/5/99 -0500, Linda Hoxit Raxter wrote: >Put on another pot of coffee - this is a long one. The ice finally >melted so I went to play at the courthouse today. Oh, this is gonna be a good one, I can tell. Got my coffee; let's head in... >Rufus McLelland Galloway b. 08APR1868 Wolf Mountain Wolf Mountain - Jackson County, right? >Daddy - Clifford Galloway Mommy - Panata Owen >Died Boyd twp - 14OCT1940 - Chaleocyntitic(?) acute with stones and >jendice >Buried Enon And moved later to Toxaway Baptist Church Cemetery. >Samuel Roscoe Galloway b. 14FEB1884 Jackson County, NC >Daddy - Clifford Galloway Mommy - Pernetta Owens >Died Hogback twp - 05DEC1964 - Heart Disease >Buried Macedonia Cemetery > >Wed (no middle name) Galloway b. 14JUL1887 Jackson County, NC >Daddy - Cliffoed(their typo) Galloway Mommy - Pernelia Owen >Died Cathey's Creek twp - 07NOV1966 - Carcinoma Prostate This would be Wedia G. Galloway. What kind of name is Wedia for a boy?!?!?!?!!! Wonder where he was buried... >Remember, we all have the little note >that Clifford Galloway married L.P. Owens 08JUN1864 in Transylvania >County. I've always used this as a marriage bond date, only putting in the data that Clifford and Penetta were married sometime in June of 1864. >One other factor to consider. Pennetta O Galloway & Clifford Galloway >are not buried together at Macedonia, though Pennetta's headstone >mentions her husband. Clifford died first. He died in 1915 and is >buried next to a child's grave with a fieldstone. His son, E. Phylar >died two years later and was buried next to him. That pretty much >filled up that space, so I think that the separation was primarily once >of logistics. But certainly Pernetta was likely in a position to insist >that the remaining space beside her husband be left for her if she >really wanted to be there. Hmmm, makes me wonder what possible comflict there was.... Hmmmm, maybe I'm assuming to much.... Hmmm, I've gotten in trouble doing that before! >The child buried next to Clifford may be the missing Catherine. I think I'm going to assume (oops!) that someone else gave the census information, besides someone in the household I mean. Funny thing, my grandmother never knew who her ggrandparents were, and considering that Eli died only a few years before she was born, you'd think that she'da heard something about that. Even ol' Cousin Lou Rigdon Myers (my dad's first cousin) didn't know, and she's a storehouse of stories. Linda, *you need to get with her* about her stories about Shad Dempsey, and about ggrandpa Rufus going to South America lumbering (at least that's the story - wonder if there was something else about that - better ask Lou). Of course, Rufus did move the family to Gastonia about 1920 or so. A little dislocation there. I never found out the exact date. At least it was before 1923, because that was when my dad was born, five months after the wedding in York, South Carolina. It was Cousin Lou who pointed me to some of the old cemeteries, saying that so-and-so was "buried up at Macedonia", or "he's buried up in Glouster somewhere". Least that's how I got started, before I met you, Linda! Now, I know I'm related to Linda, Shawna, and Marty, so that covers just about all of Transylvania, Jackson, and Macon counties, with spillovers elsewhere, and that makes only about 100+ cemeteries to visit. Just rambling, Philip

Put on another pot of coffee - this is a long one. The ice finally melted so I went to play at the courthouse today. First we learned that no one can agree on how to spell Mom's name. I was able to locate three death certificates from children who croaked in transylvania County after they started keeping records (The state anyway, not necessarily the Galloways) Rufus McLelland Galloway b. 08APR1868 Wolf Mountain Daddy - Clifford Galloway Mommy - Panata Owen Died Boyd twp - 14OCT1940 - Chaleocyntitic(?) acute with stones and jendice Buried Enon Samuel Roscoe Galloway b. 14FEB1884 Jackson County, NC Daddy - Clifford Galloway Mommy - Pernetta Owens Died Hogback twp - 05DEC1964 - Heart Disease Buried Macedonia Cemetery Wed (no middle name) Galloway b. 14JUL1887 Jackson County, NC Daddy - Cliffoed(their typo) Galloway Mommy - Pernelia Owen Died Cathey's Creek twp - 07NOV1966 - Carcinoma Prostate Having determined that rufus had the same parents we all thought he had, I thought I would double check the marriage record to make sure Clifford's nuptials were correct. Remember, we all have the little note that Clifford Galloway married L.P. Owens 08JUN1864 in Transylvania County. Guess what cousins? NO MARRIAGE RECORD!!!! not in 1864, not ever in Transylvania County. Do remember that There was a general dislike of paperwork back in those days, so it may not be as bad as it sounds. I bopped down the the library where there is a transcription of the marriage bonds to check there. Apparently, somewhere along the line someone found that an marriage bond was issued on that date and wrote it down as a marriage and this has been passed around and around. Good lesson in why we all need to be careful. The marriage date is blank. I checked Transylvania Beginnings where there is also a list of the bonds. There are four columns: Groom; Bride; date BOND was issued; then other stuff like bondsman, witnesses, and the actual date of marriage. Whoever started this off, looked him up, saw a date, and didn't notice that all the other folks had an extra date in this fourth column. In case you are wondering, M.Mason was the bondsman & J.H. Duckworth was the witness. Back to the original mystery. Why is Pernetta (or whatever her name was) with her Daddy in 1870 instead of Clifford? Who the heck is Hester who is living with Clifford? (Hester isn't even a common name in the area/time). And where are the two oldest boys, Milford & Rufus? These questions will probably only be answered by some sweet little old lady in Wolf Mountain, and I really need to visit Aunt Pearl (actually double first, double second cousin twice removed or something like that & no inbreeding involved!) One other factor to consider. Pennetta O Galloway & Clifford Galloway are not buried together at Macedonia, though Pennetta's headstone mentions her husband. Clifford died first. He died in 1915 and is buried next to a child's grave with a fieldstone. His son, E. Phylar died two years later and was buried next to him. That pretty much filled up that space, so I think that the separation was primarily once of logistics. But certainly Pernetta was likely in a position to insist that the remaining space beside her husband be left for her if she really wanted to be there. The child buried next to Clifford may be the missing Catherine. As for Clifford's age. His tombstone was originally stamped with the birth year 1864 - the same year of his alleged marriage. It was then changed to 1845. This suggests that whoever ordered the stone was working off that same bad marriage info and got the dates confused. The only records for his birth are census records, none of which agree. This birth date is likely derived from a census record or other family calculation similar to census record and may not be exactly right. That should keep you all busy and out of trouble for awhile. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree lraxter@citcom.net Western North Carolina Cemeteries and More! American Local History Network - Transylvania County, NC Coordinator Related to at least half the county at least once ; )

At 11:24 AM 1/3/99 -0600, jerry owen wrote: >Help! > I am confused over some of the data in the 1870 Transylvania >census.Under Hogback Township there is a listing#5 for Jesse Owen and >Juda.The first two children are Elizabethy and {N}itta.Who is this.It >cannot be Elizabeth Jane and Pernetta,as they are both married and >having families of their own by 1870. Hi Jerry, You've beaten me to the first questions on the census! <G> I'm confused about this, too, because Penetta "(N)itta" was my gggrandmother, except that you're right. By 1870, she had been married for six years to Clifford Galloway. >Also under Gloucester Township #5 is listed as Clifford Galloway married >to Hester.It should be the Clifford married to Pernetta since it is >listed immediately under Eli.However the age is wrong and the wife's >name is wrong.Could Hester be a nickname for Lucretia Pernetta. And here is the confusion. If the Clifford in the 1870 is the son of Eli then the age is off. Not only that, by where are the two oldest sons, Milford and Rufus McKellen (my ggrandfather)? And there is no Catherine in my listing. Maybe she died in infancy. But for sure, Milford and Rufus were older than Mary Jane, the next child in my list of children. I'm thinking that someone else gave this information. Certainly it couldn't have come from Clifford. Just who the dickens IS Hester???? > This question in no way detracts from the hard work that Linda put into >the transcription of this material.Without her efforts these questions >and others which will no doubt arise would not be possible.Thanks for >giving us something to work with Linda. Absolutely right! Philip

Is anyone researching these families in Translyvania County NC? A Nathaniel Howard Henderson married Amanda Garner about 1840 and had several sons who were killed in the Civil War, but had Eliza Ann born May 3, 1840 who married Marrett Marr Nicholson; had Nancy Emma born June 20, 1854 who married Robert Crate Orr; and Margaret Jane born about 1855 who married Samuel H. Wilson. If so, I have discovered some original letters written by these girls to their brother Lorenzo Dow Henderson, who lived in Texas. Bob Henderson Dallas TX

Clifford is #50 under Gloucester not #5 Jerry Owen

Help! I am confused over some of the data in the 1870 Transylvania census.Under Hogback Township there is a listing#5 for Jesse Owen and Juda.The first two children are Elizabethy and {N}itta.Who is this.It cannot be Elizabeth Jane and Pernetta,as they are both married and having families of their own by 1870.Elizabeth Jane is actually in the 1870 Towns county census married to William Jackson Owen and showing four children at the time. Are these two people someone else,or did either Jesse or the census taker just throw them in for good measure. Also under Gloucester Township #5 is listed as Clifford Galloway married to Hester.It should be the Clifford married to Pernetta since it is listed immediately under Eli.However the age is wrong and the wife's name is wrong.Could Hester be a nickname for Lucretia Pernetta.I am particularly interested in the question concerning Elizabethy,as Elizabeth Jane is my 2nd greatgrandmother.I just can't figure out what she's doing back home with her parents without her children,two years younger and at the same time she is with her husband in a totally different state two years older with her children.Have we expereinced a time warp here.Any and all help wolud be appreciated. This question in no way detracts from the hard work that Linda put into the transcription of this material.Without her efforts these questions and others which will no doubt arise would not be possible.Thanks for giving us something to work with Linda. Jerry Owen

Attention all Owen fans The Bible record for one of my two Owen connections is now online (The other connection is through Andrew Jackson Owen & Mary Ann McCall - dtr Eveline). Having two Owen connections made my Great Grandparents second cousins - through the Owens. Of course they probably had about 1000 second cousins in that generation to choose from. Think about it. If each of 10 kids has 10 kids - there are 100 first cousins. If each of them have 10 kids - you have 1000 second cousins. So just think how many Owen cousins you could have at this point - thank heavens a few cousins got married to double up on it - makes for less people to track down.<g> Anyway - Baxter & Mary's contribution to the Owen tribe can be found at: http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree/bible/wbowen1.html -- Linda Hoxit Raxter http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree lraxter@citcom.net Western North Carolina Cemeteries and More! American Local History Network - Transylvania County, NC Coordinator Related to at least half the county at least once ; )

Linda What a great and sicere way of giving to all of us.That is the real spirit of Christmas.I have already gained new insight from your wonderful efforts.The info under Hogback Township was particularly of interest to me,as it helps put a date on one of the ancestor pictures in our Owen Family website http://www.hno.com/thegathering The picture entitled Jesse Coleman Owen Family Reunion[just ignore the word Colemam].Elizabeth is already gone,and as you can see Pernetta has her husband Clifford Galloway in the picture,so the picture almost has to be in the 1880,s. I think it must have been just prior to Jesse,s death. Thanks again Jerry Owen

Happy Ho Ho!! Your Christmas present is ready - fresh from the North Pole. Trusting everyone has been good this year. http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree/archives -- Linda Hoxit Raxter http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree lraxter@citcom.net Western North Carolina Cemeteries and More! American Local History Network - Transylvania County, NC Coordinator Related to at least half the county at least once ; )

Hi All For anyone interested our Owen Family website now has some photos of this years Owen family reunion.They are under reunion 98.Also we have more ancestor pictures under [ancestors].You finally get to see the me.I am the Kenny Rogers look alike.The beautiful blonde with me is my daughter Jennifer.The Cowboy signing the book is my son Gary,and the Newton Boy is my youngest son Tony.He actually is a relative Newton descendant on his mothers side.His grandmother was a Newton[a cousin to the famous Newton boys].My middle son Samuel[yes Linda another Samuel Owen]did not theme dress so he is not in the pictures.We had alot of fun. Jerry Owen Ps the Url is http://www.hno.com/thegathering

Fröhliche Weihnachten! Researching GARREN and allied families from Transylvania County, Erwin, Kitchen, Lanning, Orr, Owen, Patterson, Whitaker. David H Gilbert http://www.brinet.com/~garren

Hello to Everyone and Happy Holiday from Bowie, Maryland. My North Carolina/Tennessee search is for my family roots, namely: CRARY (Transylvania/Buncombe) FULBRIGHT (Haywood/Buncombe) MC INTYRE, MC INTIRE, MC ENTIRE (Rutherford/Buncombe) HUGHES (Buncombe and Polk County, TN) RYMER (Buncombe and Polk County, TN) I understand that Rowan County may be a starting point. So ask for direction on the McEntire, Hughes, Rymer families. I have extensive data on the Crary and Fulbright history. Great to read your messages and learn more each day. Thank you. Sarah Ruth (Crary) Blank whitlia@aol.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B9C1CEE48C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is from another list I am on,but thought all of you might enjoy it. Jerry Owen --------------B9C1CEE48C5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Delivered-To: ebsinc@texoma.net Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mail.texoma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B87D4454; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:50:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18594 for ebsinc@texoma.net; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) From: NOINTELLG@aol.com Message-ID: <bc46eac5.3679427a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:42:18 EST Old-To: kirby@mtnhome.com, ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ever heard of "old Christmas" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"O8Yec.A.sWE.VQUe2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4101 X-Loop: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ROWANROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com Hi, In reference to 'old Christmas". My family lines all come from the mountains of NC and east Tenn. My father celebrated "old Christmas" all his life. It was considered the true Christmas. I have read several accounts of it's origins. Some saying it was a Celtic custom brought by the Welsh and Scotch- Irish immigrants who settled the mountains. Other accounts say it stems from the change of calendar dating in the mid 1700's, and the mountaineers continued to celebrate the old date. In THE SOUTHERN CHRISTMAS BOOK by Harnett T. Kane, 1958, Van Rees Press, New York, Mr. Kane writes about Old Christmas: "The "real day", the highlanders let town guests understand at once, was not "that new-brought-on Christmas"of December 25, but Old Christmas of January 5. "Don't care what some fols call that December time," the older folks always said. "With we'uns the day is January 5." And January 5 it remained for a long time. As communication and transportation became easier, however, the mountain people began to give attention to December 25 as the starting date of the holidays. Even then everything led up to January 5 and culminated on that day; it was the occasion for the solemn festivities." "With the passing years the Christmas tree made its entry into the mountains, first in the schools and churches and then into the cabins. ...........Little ceremonies developed, like the lighting of the small family tree, an occasion on which the oldest child had the place of honor." Also, it was believed that on the eve of Old Christmas the animals talked, fall to their knees and turn their heads towards Bethlehem. Mr Kane , also, mentions other beliefs of Old Christmas: "Old Christmas, or January 5, is also surrounded with mystic beliefs. On it's evve, legend tells us, day breaks twice. The first dawn comes about an hour earlier than usual, and the skies brighten until sunlight seems close. The pokeweed thrusts up its sprouts, "big and clear for everybody to see that wants to see." Then slowly dark returns, and the sprouts wither, and after a while the true dawn arrives......During the week or so before Christmas you may hear the rooster in the middle of the night "crowing for Christmas", trying to make the day arrive earlier." I hope this answered the question about Old Christmas, and gave some perspective of how our ancestors lived. Happy Holidays! Charmaine --------------B9C1CEE48C5--

Can someone please provide some data concerning Rev James Hamlin Duckworth and wife, Nancy Ann Garren. I would like to know Mr Duckworth's parents and the children and grandchildren of Rev Duckworth, including dates of birth and death and spouses. Any Help will be appreciated! David H Gilbert

Do we have a doctor in the house? Thought it would be interesting to check out Mr. Jno C. Duckworth who compiled our 1870 census. From Transylvania Beginnings: John Calloway Duckworth was born 28NOV1829 and died 02FEB1872 "of an illness contracted in the War". Am I correct that this is the polite way to publish "He cheated on his wife during the Civil War and ended up with syphilis" Of course he married his first cousin and they never had any children so it may have been one of those economic platonic marriages anyway - who knows. Probably best that we don't get into the bedrooms of our ancestors. Anyway - If John contracted his "disease" in the war - he had it while riding around the county asking everyone nosy questions. Anyone know what kind of physical effects he would be suffering from in 1870 - 2 years before he died. He was serving in the State Legislature when he croaked. One more mystery - for some reason in Eastatoe, John suddenly stops asking about education levels - like someone pulled out a gun and told him it was none of his @#%! business. I know in general, folks in the hills hated census takers. Just wondering if there was some specific hostilities toward John for some reason. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree lraxter@citcom.net Western North Carolina Cemeteries and More! American Local History Network - Transylvania County, NC Coordinator Related to at least half the county at least once ; )

Looking for any information on Annie Glazener and Joshua Smith. c.1790-1840. Also information on Rachel Glazener and Peter Weaver, Nellie and Enoch Dawson.

I have all the Henderson and Transylvania Census except the 1870 for Henderson County in typed form. John Owens and Lavinia (various spellings) appear in 1850 and 1860 Henderson County and the 1870 mentioned. In the Bishop transcription of the 1870 census of Trans. County HH #57 is thus: OWENS, L. (Lerceda??) (f), 27, NC, Sarah 10, David 7, William 4, John 2. I also have Henderson County marriages and I could not find an Owens marriage that fit the time frame. Bishop has HH # 56 as: Owens, Lem 22 NC, Luth?19, John 72, Livina 74, Martha 12 Hope this helps. Virginia Green VaGreen100@aol.com

Do not know the answer for hse #56. First name on hse #57 appears to me to be Luretta. ---------- > From: Linda Hoxit Raxter <lraxter@CITCOM.NET> > To: NCTRANSY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: John & Lavinia Owen and ? > Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 10:24 PM > > 1870 Transylvania County Census, Gloucester twp, hse #56 > Owens, [Sam] age 22 > ", Libby age 19 > Owens, John age 72 - owns $800 worth of real estate > ", Livina age 74 > ", Martha age 12 - "At Home" > > Is this really a Sam? If so which of the fifty million Sam Owens is > it? How is he related to John? Who is Martha? How is she connected? > > Next house, next mystery > #57 is headed by a female age 27 whose name is so sqiggloed I am having > a very difficult time making it out. But she has the following > youngins: > Sarah age 10 > David age 7 > Wm age 4 > John age 2 > She is hopefully the widow of an Owen - which one, what is her maiden > name, and for that matter what is her given name? If not a widow, then > which owen is her Daddy? For that matter, she could be an Owen who is > also the widow of an Owen - these things happened. > > > -- > Linda Hoxit Raxter > http://www.rootsquest.com/~alextree lraxter@citcom.net > Western North Carolina Cemeteries and More! > American Local History Network - Transylvania County, NC Coordinator > Related to at least half the county at least once ; )

Linda I strongly suspect that the widow with the four children is Prescilla Banther.She had a daughter with Rufus Ansel in 1860.She also had a son in 1863.Her daughter was named Sarah and her son was David.As you know Rufus Ansel was killed in the cival war.I have been told that some of the other brothers of his felt that it was their duty to take care of her and see to her needs.One thing about those Owen boys,they take certain duties quite seriously.Anyway she wound up with two more children and had to move to Tennessee.One of the boys [either Wahington or Houston followed her and lived with her in Tennessee.They apparently were out of favor with the family and neither one ever returned to claim any inheritance.Sounds like a love connection in there somewhere. Jerry Owen