Hope this helps someone... ----- Extracted from: JACKSON, Hester: Surry County, North Carolina Will Abstracts, Book 4 (1827-1853); Copyright, 1991, by H. Jackson; Published, 1991, by H. Jackson, Dobson, North Carolina, USA --- pp. 2-3: Surry Co. Will Book 4, p. 1 Will dtd. 28 Jan 1812; Probated November Court 1827 Will of Joseph WILLIAMS [Author notes: (This will is 13 pages long with 3 codicils.)] Wife Rebekah. Sons: Nathaniel (Natty) afflicted; Joseph; Alexander of Tenn.; Nicholas Lanier, youngest son; John at the bar; William (decd by 1819); Robert at the bar; Lewis, and Thomas Lanier. Daus.: Rebekah and Fanny, wife of John P.(?) ERWIN of Nashville. Granddaughter Sally only child of decd. son William. Negroes named: Cary, Sam, Tabb, Daniel, Nancy, Squire, Jack, Ned, Isbell, Lidia, Sally, Cynthia, Will (bought of Henry SPEER), Caesor, Little Will, Jenny, Pulvey(?), Bartlett, Peter, Jude, Little Peter, Don(?), Ceasor, Aber, Lou, Soloman, Charott(?), Squire, Pillar(?), Violet, Dorcas, Lou, Matt, Rachel, Horace, Booker, Betty. Lands bought of: Lewis & Reuben WHEALESS, Col. MOSBY, SPEER, Mark HOLLIMON’s Sewats River Tracts, Ruby’s tract, BROUGHs or GOUGHs place. Deeded lands on both eastern and western waters. Mentions lime kiln & quarry, fishery. Mentions: Charles BAGGE (below Salem), William THORNTON, Thomas S. WILLIAMS of Knoxville. Exrs.: wife Rebedah; sons Robert, Joseph, John, William, Lewis, Thomas Lanier, Alexander, and Nicholas Lanier Williams. Signed: Jo Williams Wits.: George KEMBROUGH [Kimbrough, Kimbrow], Robert R. FREEMAN, Jo WILLIAMS Jr. Wits. to codicil 27 June 1825: John KERR, Thomas THORNTON - ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <NCSURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] Joseph Wiliams of Early Surry Co., NC I located this on Political Graveyard website: Williams, Joseph, of Shallow Ford (1748-1827) — also known as "Duke of Surry" — of Surry County, N.C. Born in Hanover County, Va., March 27, 1748. First cousin of John Williams of Montpelier, Richard Henderson and Thomas Henderson; brother of John Williams, Nathaniel Williams, Jr. and Robert Williams. Delegate to North Carolina provincial congress, 1775; served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War. Died in Surry County, N.C., August 11, 1827. Interment at a private or family graveyard, Forsyth County, N.C. Comment: I am a descendant of another first cousin of Joseph Williams - one William Williams who died testate at Boonesborough, now Kentucky, Dec 1775. He was a brother of the John Williams *of Montpelier* mentioned in the second line above. This family is rife with these given names: John, Joseph, Nathaniel, so it is easy to get confused. I would like to know more about 1) the parental family of Joseph Williams and 2) some of his descendants. E.W.Wallace **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. I have not researched Rachel at all. She would be a great-great-grandmother. She lived just across the Surry County line, and just this week I had just happened on something which said she could be the daughter of a William Williams who died in Ky. Thanks for checking the will. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I am sorry - your Rachel does not fit into this particular William Williams family. William Williams was a long-time resident of Granville Co., NC and was a first cousin to Col. Richard Henderson of that same county. Henderson, of course, was the motivator behind Boonesborough. Anyway, apparently Williams became ill and wrote his will at Boonsborough Dec 1775 and died a few days later. The will however was probated in Granville Co., NC. Golly, I feel sorry for you if you are looking for a William Williams in Kentucky!!! Be sure you have some dates and some approximate places. Sometimes we hit a brick wall when we are looking in the wrong location! And it is so difficult to find the maiden names of females. Many a professional genealogical lecturer makes a good living off giving lectures about how to find the maiden name of a female--and the answer is generally the same--with a LOT of hard work! E.W.Wallace **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I don't have any Williams information, but I am a descendent of Rachel WIlliams Payne. At least one researcher thinks she was the daughter of William Williams who died in Kentucky. Does William's will mention a Rachel Payne? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I located this on Political Graveyard website: Williams, Joseph, of Shallow Ford (1748-1827) — also known as "Duke of Surry" — of Surry County, N.C. Born in Hanover County, Va., March 27, 1748. First cousin of John Williams of Montpelier, Richard Henderson and Thomas Henderson; brother of John Williams, Nathaniel Williams, Jr. and Robert Williams. Delegate to North Carolina provincial congress, 1775; served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War. Died in Surry County, N.C., August 11, 1827. Interment at a private or family graveyard, Forsyth County, N.C. Comment: I am a descendant of another first cousin of Joseph Williams - one William Williams who died testate at Boonesborough, now Kentucky, Dec 1775. He was a brother of the John Williams *of Montpelier* mentioned in the second line above. This family is rife with these given names: John, Joseph, Nathaniel, so it is easy to get confused. I would like to know more about 1) the parental family of Joseph Williams and 2) some of his descendants. E.W.Wallace **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I wood like to take this opportunity to wish all on the Surry County, NC forum HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Merry Christmas & best wishes for the New Year 2008 from my family tree to yours. I have updated all of my family history GEDCOMS and uploaded them to my web sites, please visit the below sites to view my files. My GEDCOMS are also uploaded to Rootsweb & GenCircles. I would like to sincerely thank all who have in any manner (large or small) contributed to my success over the past year, I have added over 6500 more people to my data base this past year for over 63,000 that are associated with Samuel Denny of Surry County, NC. Without input from kind people like you, my GEDCOMS would be nowhere near what they are! Samuel Denny's roots were planted in Surry County, NC & his descendants migrated on Gallia County, Ohio, Auglaize County, Mercer County, Ohio, Jay County, IN, Grant County, IN, Kentucky, Missouri, SC & other destinations http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/7853/denney/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/7853/denney/Families.html A COUPLE OF SPECIAL NOTES 1. Sometime during the first part of 2008, I will be losing my InsightBB mail address, Comcast is taking over Insight in this area. thus I will be changing over to a Comcast address. To prevent loss of future contact, please add my secondary address of rfdenney@gmail.com to your address book. 2. I would also like to invite you to bookmark http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rdenney/Web_Page_Links/ , this url is a link to a web page that lists ALL of my numerous web pages & locations of my GEDCOMS. I would also like to invite all of you to visit my holidays pages below for some Christmas & New Years cheer. Also, visit the page of Dick Norton below. Dick is a Denney friend who lives in Burbank, CA and has for years had award winning displays at his home http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/7853/special http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/7853/newyears/ http://www.nortonswinterwonderland.com/ Richard Denney

Here are two changes in the NC cemetery laws that took effect this year: http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/House/PDF/H107v4.pdf http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/House/PDF/H105v4.pdf Bob Carter Greensboro, NC

I would like to ask the help of someone in Surry County to do a marriage look-up for me. The brides name would have been Lola Delilah Luffman born c. 1909 in State Road, NC. I only know that the groom's surname was Mumford. I do not know his given name. They would have been married around 1928 or 1929. This is all that I know of this marriage. Thank you for any help that you may provide. Shelby Luffman

The Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. Vol. I: (North Carolina Yearly Meeting) is online at Ancestry.com. It was published in 1936. All six volumes are also available on CD for about $60 from Genealogical.com Wayne Till On 11/14/07 12:01 AM, "ncsurry-request@rootsweb.com" <ncsurry-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:31:53 EST > From: Glenda19@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d5f.16efcce8.346b2b79@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Does anyone know how to access NC Quaker records? Are they on-line? Are > books available to purchase or at the library? Thanks in advance for any > direction to take in researching Quaker families in NC. > Glenda

Does anyone know how to access NC Quaker records? Are they on-line? Are books available to purchase or at the library? Thanks in advance for any direction to take in researching Quaker families in NC. Glenda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

If you are near a Family History Center with a microfilm reader, you can order films of two books of Luther Byrd from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. There is a small fee, and a limited loan period. To find out more information, go to _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) Find the link to the FHL catalog on the right side of the screen. Click on that. Then do an AUTHOR search - Byrd, Luther [lower case OK] Two of the books/booklets have been filmed by the FHL, and I am sure for a small fee, for a limited time, you can borrow them through your nearby LDS family history center. In fact, if the unfilmed book/booklet has NOT been filmed, you can get a form at your LDS center and ask that it be filmed. If the book is not too many pages, ask that it be microfiched. (Or click on FORMS - go to the list beginning with the letter R - Request for photocopy/film. (I hope that works.) If you hire a researcher in Salt Lake City, he/she MAY be able to make a CD of the filmed books--all this for a fee, of course. (The library there seems to keep up with current technology, although I have not been there in two or three years, alas!) E.W.Wallace trying to help! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Can someone tell me where I might purchase or get access to the booklets written by Luther Byrd covering historical subjects in Surry County? Ray Shirley Sr. rshirley@icx.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

I don't have a copy of any wills. You'll have to get those from the NC Archives in Raleigh. Here are some wills I found on the NC Archives website in their Mitchell Will Book Index. You have to send them an email (archives@ncmail.net) asking for copies of them to be mailed to you, usually for $2.00 I think is the minimum cost. And, they won't do but one request at a time, not a list: Title: Jessop, Caleb Years: 1833 Call Number: WB-B/472(AR) MARS Id: 246.75.2.975 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-B/472 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Guilford County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Guilford County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Caleb Title: Jessop, Isaac Years: 1811 Call Number: WB-A/167 MARS Id: 229.75.2.518 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-A/167 (WB = Will Book) Original: Location where will was probated: Cumberland County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Cumberland County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Isaac Title: Jessop, Priscilla Years: 1819 Call Number: WB-3/137(AR) MARS Id: 292.75.2.488 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-3/137 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Surry County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Surry County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Priscilla Title: Jessop, Joseph Years: 1820 Call Number: WB-3/50(AR) MARS Id: 290.75.1.469 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-3/50 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Stokes County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Stokes County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Joseph Title: Jessop, Joseph Years: 1796 Call Number: WB-3/22A(AR) MARS Id: 292.75.2.487 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-3/22A (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Surry County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Surry County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Joseph Title: Jessop, Thomas Years: 1819 Call Number: WB-F/15(AR) MARS Id: 277.75.1.464 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-F/15 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Perquimans County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Perquimans County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Thomas Title: Jessop, Timothy Years: 1805 Call Number: WB-E/223(AR) MARS Id: 277.75.1.465 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-E/223 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh) Location where will was probated: Perquimans County (NC) Index Terms: Geographic Names: Perquimans County (NC) Personal Names: Jessop, Timothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR." <rshirley@icx.net> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > Thank you for your response. I have all of the Joseph and Priscilla > Jessop > family history. I have a copy of Joseph Jessop's will but I don't have a > copy of Priscilla's will. If you could send me a copy, I would appreciate > it very much. I'm seeking documentation for the claim that Rachel > married > Joseph Cloud. You may have given me the clue I need by sending the > identity > of the historian, Luther Byrd. > > Ray Shirley > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Bob Carter <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> >> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 11/7/2007 6:58:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> In a booklet compiled by Luther Byrd back in the 1960s or early 1970s, he >> lists Rachel Jessop, born June 21, 1776, probably in Perquimans County, > NC. >> She married Joseph Cloud sometime between 1796 and 1805, but did not give > a >> location. Luther says she was a daughter of Joseph JESSOP and someone > named >> Priscilla and was disowned for marrying out of unity. His book says they >> reportedly were from Perquimans or Carteret counties and then Guilford >> County, and finally settled in Westfield in Surry County in 1785 or 1786. >> Joseph Jessup left a will that was probated November 1796 while his wife, >> Priscilla left a will that was probated in February 1819. >> >> I have this data due to me getting a copy of the JESSOP (JESSUP) family >> history from my aunt who married a JESSUP from Stokes County. Problem > is, >> although I scanned the hand-typed pages, and have them mostly converted > to >> Word, they are not in a database file such as FamilyTreeMaker so it's > hard >> to search for connections. >> >> Luther also did a booklet on the FULK family that I was able to get >> converted as well. Have no idea how many other books or pamphlets he >> created, but his work is a treasure. >> >> Bob Carter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR." <rshirley@icx.net> >> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> >> >I recently spent a week in Stokes and Surry Counties researching my >> >Cloud >> > ancestors and looking for various sites. I was in old Westfield three >> > times but could not find the Westfield Monthly Meeting house. Is it > still >> > standing? Also, is there a local resident with access to the surviving >> > meeting records? I am trying to find a record of the marriage of >> > Joseph >> > Cloud to Rachel Jessop. >> > Ray Shirley >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: <hdalecook@aol.com> >> >> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> >> >> Date: 11/7/2007 1:05:44 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> >> >> >> >> I have an interesting web >> > site?http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/westfield.htm?that may clear up > one >> > one the mysteries of Surry Quaker meeting houses. The author, Luther > Byrd, >> > was my Westfield High School principle and a historian. Westfield HS is > no >> > longer?in existence. Sandy Cook, one of the donors of the land for >> > Westfield?Friends Church is my?g grandfather.?He lived adjacent to the >> > Church. As a youngster I can remember multi-denominational funerals?and >> > burial services?at the Church and graveyard. The graveyard is one of >> > the >> > oldest in what is now Surry County. Some of the headstones were crude >> > rough >> > hewn rocks.? >> >> >> >> The?Quaker Churches were called meeting places, as were most >> > churches?prior to the Revolution. To be an official church there had to > be >> > two formal services conducted by an English Angelican Minister >> > annually, >> > thus meeting places.? >> >> >> >> Microfilm copies of Hinshaw's indices can be found at any LDS research >> > center. I went through?all of Hinshaw's?info on NC, SC and some Tn > meeting >> > houses looking for my?Cook and Cain relatives.?There were > numerous?Quaker >> > Cooks, however the Quaker naming patterns?did not match my Scotch-Irish >> > descendents. Sandy Cook?(5th American generation) was the first of my >> > descendents to became a Quaker.? >> >> >> >> I don't recall a Beaver Creek?or Dam, however Tom's Creek is about > 1?mile >> > from the Church.?The Church is located about?10 miles south of the >> > NC-VA >> > line. >> >> >> >> Dale Cook?? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: BenbowKD@aol.com >> >> To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com >> >> Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 4:55 am >> >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There were many areas in NC counties named Beaver Dam or Beaver >> >> Creek, >> > so >> >> you might have to pinpoint the location more than that. Research the >> > land >> >> grants and deeds. Find out exactly which rivers and streams were >> > nearby, and >> >> what neighbors they had and what rivers and creeks those deeds > mention, >> > and >> >> then >> >> try to determine the exact neighborhood. >> >> >> >> In working with Quaker ancestors, one detail that is often overlooked > is >> > the >> >> fact that the Hinshaw abstracts contain the records out of the >> >> Monthly >> >> Meetings only, which is where business and vital records were kept. > The >> >> member's >> >> local (weekly) meeting, or Preparatory Meeting, may have been quite > some >> >> distance away from the supervising MM, so people did not necessarily >> > live in >> >> the >> >> vicinity of the MM. Hence, at times some families' records could >> >> vary >> > from >> >> one MM to another, because they may have switched attending one local >> >> preparatory meeting with another PM that was also relatively nearby, > but >> > which >> >> was >> >> under another MM. And sometimes the PM's would change their >> > affiliations, >> >> thereby causing the business and vital records to shift back and >> >> forth >> > from one >> >> >> >> MM to another without the family changing their weekly practice. >> >> It's >> > similar >> >> to people changing county jurisdictions without moving one inch. >> >> >> >> Also, it is good to keep in mind that Hinshaw's workers did not > abstract >> > all >> >> minutes of all meetings. And a lot of things that might interest the >> >> descendants were left out of the abstracts. Order the microfilm into >> > your >> >> local >> >> Family History Center library for viewing. >> >> >> >> Katherine Benbow >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> > http://www.aol.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body of >> >> the message >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Email and AIM finally together. 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Thank you for your response. I have all of the Joseph and Priscilla Jessop family history. I have a copy of Joseph Jessop's will but I don't have a copy of Priscilla's will. If you could send me a copy, I would appreciate it very much. I'm seeking documentation for the claim that Rachel married Joseph Cloud. You may have given me the clue I need by sending the identity of the historian, Luther Byrd. Ray Shirley > [Original Message] > From: Bob Carter <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> > To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/7/2007 6:58:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > > In a booklet compiled by Luther Byrd back in the 1960s or early 1970s, he > lists Rachel Jessop, born June 21, 1776, probably in Perquimans County, NC. > She married Joseph Cloud sometime between 1796 and 1805, but did not give a > location. Luther says she was a daughter of Joseph JESSOP and someone named > Priscilla and was disowned for marrying out of unity. His book says they > reportedly were from Perquimans or Carteret counties and then Guilford > County, and finally settled in Westfield in Surry County in 1785 or 1786. > Joseph Jessup left a will that was probated November 1796 while his wife, > Priscilla left a will that was probated in February 1819. > > I have this data due to me getting a copy of the JESSOP (JESSUP) family > history from my aunt who married a JESSUP from Stokes County. Problem is, > although I scanned the hand-typed pages, and have them mostly converted to > Word, they are not in a database file such as FamilyTreeMaker so it's hard > to search for connections. > > Luther also did a booklet on the FULK family that I was able to get > converted as well. Have no idea how many other books or pamphlets he > created, but his work is a treasure. > > Bob Carter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR." <rshirley@icx.net> > To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > > > >I recently spent a week in Stokes and Surry Counties researching my Cloud > > ancestors and looking for various sites. I was in old Westfield three > > times but could not find the Westfield Monthly Meeting house. Is it still > > standing? Also, is there a local resident with access to the surviving > > meeting records? I am trying to find a record of the marriage of Joseph > > Cloud to Rachel Jessop. > > Ray Shirley > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: <hdalecook@aol.com> > >> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: 11/7/2007 1:05:44 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > >> > >> > >> I have an interesting web > > site?http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/westfield.htm?that may clear up one > > one the mysteries of Surry Quaker meeting houses. The author, Luther Byrd, > > was my Westfield High School principle and a historian. Westfield HS is no > > longer?in existence. Sandy Cook, one of the donors of the land for > > Westfield?Friends Church is my?g grandfather.?He lived adjacent to the > > Church. As a youngster I can remember multi-denominational funerals?and > > burial services?at the Church and graveyard. The graveyard is one of the > > oldest in what is now Surry County. Some of the headstones were crude > > rough > > hewn rocks.? > >> > >> The?Quaker Churches were called meeting places, as were most > > churches?prior to the Revolution. To be an official church there had to be > > two formal services conducted by an English Angelican Minister annually, > > thus meeting places.? > >> > >> Microfilm copies of Hinshaw's indices can be found at any LDS research > > center. I went through?all of Hinshaw's?info on NC, SC and some Tn meeting > > houses looking for my?Cook and Cain relatives.?There were numerous?Quaker > > Cooks, however the Quaker naming patterns?did not match my Scotch-Irish > > descendents. Sandy Cook?(5th American generation) was the first of my > > descendents to became a Quaker.? > >> > >> I don't recall a Beaver Creek?or Dam, however Tom's Creek is about 1?mile > > from the Church.?The Church is located about?10 miles south of the NC-VA > > line. > >> > >> Dale Cook?? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BenbowKD@aol.com > >> To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 4:55 am > >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > >> > >> > >> > >> There were many areas in NC counties named Beaver Dam or Beaver Creek, > > so > >> you might have to pinpoint the location more than that. Research the > > land > >> grants and deeds. Find out exactly which rivers and streams were > > nearby, and > >> what neighbors they had and what rivers and creeks those deeds mention, > > and > >> then > >> try to determine the exact neighborhood. > >> > >> In working with Quaker ancestors, one detail that is often overlooked is > > the > >> fact that the Hinshaw abstracts contain the records out of the Monthly > >> Meetings only, which is where business and vital records were kept. The > >> member's > >> local (weekly) meeting, or Preparatory Meeting, may have been quite some > >> distance away from the supervising MM, so people did not necessarily > > live in > >> the > >> vicinity of the MM. Hence, at times some families' records could vary > > from > >> one MM to another, because they may have switched attending one local > >> preparatory meeting with another PM that was also relatively nearby, but > > which > >> was > >> under another MM. And sometimes the PM's would change their > > affiliations, > >> thereby causing the business and vital records to shift back and forth > > from one > >> > >> MM to another without the family changing their weekly practice. It's > > similar > >> to people changing county jurisdictions without moving one inch. > >> > >> Also, it is good to keep in mind that Hinshaw's workers did not abstract > > all > >> minutes of all meetings. And a lot of things that might interest the > >> descendants were left out of the abstracts. Order the microfilm into > > your > >> local > >> Family History Center library for viewing. > >> > >> Katherine Benbow > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's new at > > http://www.aol.com > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > body of > >> the message > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Email and AIM finally together. 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Someone posted a query and then had her/his computer block answers. What is the use of posting a query if you don't expect to receive an answer!!!! Spam or no spam. My program blocks spam. In fact, I have 20 messages currently in my spam *folder* awaiting deletion. This is what I wrote--but find it was useless to send it to the person who seemed to request information. Are you aware that there has been [may stilll be] a Cloud family newsletter? The woman who produced it--Janice [we call her Jan] Cloud is a member of the Santa Barbara Genealogical Society in California. Do a google.com search for *santa barbara california genealogical society* Write a letter to her--Jan Cloud--at that address and ask her some questions about Clouds. But it is better than you include some family group sheets. A well-known researcher, in Southern California, who used to take persons to Salt Lake City [me included] and to England and Ireland for genealogy search will not consult with people having genealogical questions unless they produce family group sheets. As you know, family group sheets ask [hopefully demand] DATES and PLACES. Most of the time I delete from rootsweb any queries which do not include Dates and Places. Otherwise, we are talking past one another. Good luck with your Cloud people. E.W.Wallace southern California ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In a booklet compiled by Luther Byrd back in the 1960s or early 1970s, he lists Rachel Jessop, born June 21, 1776, probably in Perquimans County, NC. She married Joseph Cloud sometime between 1796 and 1805, but did not give a location. Luther says she was a daughter of Joseph JESSOP and someone named Priscilla and was disowned for marrying out of unity. His book says they reportedly were from Perquimans or Carteret counties and then Guilford County, and finally settled in Westfield in Surry County in 1785 or 1786. Joseph Jessup left a will that was probated November 1796 while his wife, Priscilla left a will that was probated in February 1819. I have this data due to me getting a copy of the JESSOP (JESSUP) family history from my aunt who married a JESSUP from Stokes County. Problem is, although I scanned the hand-typed pages, and have them mostly converted to Word, they are not in a database file such as FamilyTreeMaker so it's hard to search for connections. Luther also did a booklet on the FULK family that I was able to get converted as well. Have no idea how many other books or pamphlets he created, but his work is a treasure. Bob Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR." <rshirley@icx.net> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >I recently spent a week in Stokes and Surry Counties researching my Cloud > ancestors and looking for various sites. I was in old Westfield three > times but could not find the Westfield Monthly Meeting house. Is it still > standing? Also, is there a local resident with access to the surviving > meeting records? I am trying to find a record of the marriage of Joseph > Cloud to Rachel Jessop. > Ray Shirley > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: <hdalecook@aol.com> >> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 11/7/2007 1:05:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> >> I have an interesting web > site?http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/westfield.htm?that may clear up one > one the mysteries of Surry Quaker meeting houses. The author, Luther Byrd, > was my Westfield High School principle and a historian. Westfield HS is no > longer?in existence. Sandy Cook, one of the donors of the land for > Westfield?Friends Church is my?g grandfather.?He lived adjacent to the > Church. As a youngster I can remember multi-denominational funerals?and > burial services?at the Church and graveyard. The graveyard is one of the > oldest in what is now Surry County. Some of the headstones were crude > rough > hewn rocks.? >> >> The?Quaker Churches were called meeting places, as were most > churches?prior to the Revolution. To be an official church there had to be > two formal services conducted by an English Angelican Minister annually, > thus meeting places.? >> >> Microfilm copies of Hinshaw's indices can be found at any LDS research > center. I went through?all of Hinshaw's?info on NC, SC and some Tn meeting > houses looking for my?Cook and Cain relatives.?There were numerous?Quaker > Cooks, however the Quaker naming patterns?did not match my Scotch-Irish > descendents. Sandy Cook?(5th American generation) was the first of my > descendents to became a Quaker.? >> >> I don't recall a Beaver Creek?or Dam, however Tom's Creek is about 1?mile > from the Church.?The Church is located about?10 miles south of the NC-VA > line. >> >> Dale Cook?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BenbowKD@aol.com >> To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 4:55 am >> Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records >> >> >> >> There were many areas in NC counties named Beaver Dam or Beaver Creek, > so >> you might have to pinpoint the location more than that. Research the > land >> grants and deeds. Find out exactly which rivers and streams were > nearby, and >> what neighbors they had and what rivers and creeks those deeds mention, > and >> then >> try to determine the exact neighborhood. >> >> In working with Quaker ancestors, one detail that is often overlooked is > the >> fact that the Hinshaw abstracts contain the records out of the Monthly >> Meetings only, which is where business and vital records were kept. The >> member's >> local (weekly) meeting, or Preparatory Meeting, may have been quite some >> distance away from the supervising MM, so people did not necessarily > live in >> the >> vicinity of the MM. Hence, at times some families' records could vary > from >> one MM to another, because they may have switched attending one local >> preparatory meeting with another PM that was also relatively nearby, but > which >> was >> under another MM. And sometimes the PM's would change their > affiliations, >> thereby causing the business and vital records to shift back and forth > from one >> >> MM to another without the family changing their weekly practice. It's > similar >> to people changing county jurisdictions without moving one inch. >> >> Also, it is good to keep in mind that Hinshaw's workers did not abstract > all >> minutes of all meetings. And a lot of things that might interest the >> descendants were left out of the abstracts. Order the microfilm into > your >> local >> Family History Center library for viewing. >> >> Katherine Benbow >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of >> the message >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Email and AIM finally together. 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I recently spent a week in Stokes and Surry Counties researching my Cloud ancestors and looking for various sites. I was in old Westfield three times but could not find the Westfield Monthly Meeting house. Is it still standing? Also, is there a local resident with access to the surviving meeting records? I am trying to find a record of the marriage of Joseph Cloud to Rachel Jessop. Ray Shirley > [Original Message] > From: <hdalecook@aol.com> > To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/7/2007 1:05:44 AM > Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > > > I have an interesting web site?http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/westfield.htm?that may clear up one one the mysteries of Surry Quaker meeting houses. The author, Luther Byrd, was my Westfield High School principle and a historian. Westfield HS is no longer?in existence. Sandy Cook, one of the donors of the land for Westfield?Friends Church is my?g grandfather.?He lived adjacent to the Church. As a youngster I can remember multi-denominational funerals?and burial services?at the Church and graveyard. The graveyard is one of the oldest in what is now Surry County. Some of the headstones were crude rough hewn rocks.? > > The?Quaker Churches were called meeting places, as were most churches?prior to the Revolution. To be an official church there had to be two formal services conducted by an English Angelican Minister annually, thus meeting places.? > > Microfilm copies of Hinshaw's indices can be found at any LDS research center. I went through?all of Hinshaw's?info on NC, SC and some Tn meeting houses looking for my?Cook and Cain relatives.?There were numerous?Quaker Cooks, however the Quaker naming patterns?did not match my Scotch-Irish descendents. Sandy Cook?(5th American generation) was the first of my descendents to became a Quaker.? > > I don't recall a Beaver Creek?or Dam, however Tom's Creek is about 1?mile from the Church.?The Church is located about?10 miles south of the NC-VA line. > > Dale Cook?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BenbowKD@aol.com > To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 4:55 am > Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records > > > > There were many areas in NC counties named Beaver Dam or Beaver Creek, so > you might have to pinpoint the location more than that. Research the land > grants and deeds. Find out exactly which rivers and streams were nearby, and > what neighbors they had and what rivers and creeks those deeds mention, and > then > try to determine the exact neighborhood. > > In working with Quaker ancestors, one detail that is often overlooked is the > fact that the Hinshaw abstracts contain the records out of the Monthly > Meetings only, which is where business and vital records were kept. The > member's > local (weekly) meeting, or Preparatory Meeting, may have been quite some > distance away from the supervising MM, so people did not necessarily live in > the > vicinity of the MM. Hence, at times some families' records could vary from > one MM to another, because they may have switched attending one local > preparatory meeting with another PM that was also relatively nearby, but which > was > under another MM. And sometimes the PM's would change their affiliations, > thereby causing the business and vital records to shift back and forth from one > > MM to another without the family changing their weekly practice. It's similar > to people changing county jurisdictions without moving one inch. > > Also, it is good to keep in mind that Hinshaw's workers did not abstract all > minutes of all meetings. And a lot of things that might interest the > descendants were left out of the abstracts. Order the microfilm into your > local > Family History Center library for viewing. > > Katherine Benbow > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peggy, Can you help me out here. I remember Perchie Key and I believe she was a Wagoner before she married, but do not know how she ties to my Wagoners. Any help with her lineage would be appreciated. Thanks Anne McCracken -----Original Message----- From: Hugs665@aol.com To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Pine Hill Friends Meeting - Annual Bazaar Bob: Would you please go over to Pine Hill and eat some home made chicken pie and some good old fried apple pies for me? Wish I could be there. I had an aunt and uncle who were pastors of Pine Hill years ago... The Rev. Emanuel and Perchie Key.. Stuck in Florida and wishing I was in God's country.. peggy chatham snow ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

I have an interesting web site?http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/westfield.htm?that may clear up one one the mysteries of Surry Quaker meeting houses. The author, Luther Byrd, was my Westfield High School principle and a historian. Westfield HS is no longer?in existence. Sandy Cook, one of the donors of the land for Westfield?Friends Church is my?g grandfather.?He lived adjacent to the Church. As a youngster I can remember multi-denominational funerals?and burial services?at the Church and graveyard. The graveyard is one of the oldest in what is now Surry County. Some of the headstones were crude rough hewn rocks.? The?Quaker Churches were called meeting places, as were most churches?prior to the Revolution. To be an official church there had to be two formal services conducted by an English Angelican Minister annually, thus meeting places.? Microfilm copies of Hinshaw's indices can be found at any LDS research center. I went through?all of Hinshaw's?info on NC, SC and some Tn meeting houses looking for my?Cook and Cain relatives.?There were numerous?Quaker Cooks, however the Quaker naming patterns?did not match my Scotch-Irish descendents. Sandy Cook?(5th American generation) was the first of my descendents to became a Quaker.? I don't recall a Beaver Creek?or Dam, however Tom's Creek is about 1?mile from the Church.?The Church is located about?10 miles south of the NC-VA line. Dale Cook?? -----Original Message----- From: BenbowKD@aol.com To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 4:55 am Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Quaker records There were many areas in NC counties named Beaver Dam or Beaver Creek, so you might have to pinpoint the location more than that. Research the land grants and deeds. Find out exactly which rivers and streams were nearby, and what neighbors they had and what rivers and creeks those deeds mention, and then try to determine the exact neighborhood. In working with Quaker ancestors, one detail that is often overlooked is the fact that the Hinshaw abstracts contain the records out of the Monthly Meetings only, which is where business and vital records were kept. The member's local (weekly) meeting, or Preparatory Meeting, may have been quite some distance away from the supervising MM, so people did not necessarily live in the vicinity of the MM. Hence, at times some families' records could vary from one MM to another, because they may have switched attending one local preparatory meeting with another PM that was also relatively nearby, but which was under another MM. And sometimes the PM's would change their affiliations, thereby causing the business and vital records to shift back and forth from one MM to another without the family changing their weekly practice. It's similar to people changing county jurisdictions without moving one inch. Also, it is good to keep in mind that Hinshaw's workers did not abstract all minutes of all meetings. And a lot of things that might interest the descendants were left out of the abstracts. Order the microfilm into your local Family History Center library for viewing. Katherine Benbow ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Bob: Would you please go over to Pine Hill and eat some home made chicken pie and some good old fried apple pies for me? Wish I could be there. I had an aunt and uncle who were pastors of Pine Hill years ago... The Rev. Emanuel and Perchie Key.. Stuck in Florida and wishing I was in God's country.. peggy chatham snow ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com