I need some information about where to search for records of families who lived along the Dan River and appear to have been in Surry Co. then Stokes but never moved. For the part of Stokes that was taken from Surry, are the records, prior to formation of Stokes, be in Surry or were they transferred to Stokes? The family I am researching was in that area probably as early as 1770. Does anyone know what records the State Archives would have that might help me. If this list is a busy one, please email me privately at bradbury@acsalaska.net . Thanks. Connie Btradbury

For those persons who did not have birth records [a novelty in all but a handful of states! We southerners lose out] until the 20th century, we have to use some estimates. These guidelines were given a long ago genealogical lecture, and they have generally [note that word] helped me come up with an estimated birth date when I don't have a date from a census or other source. In North Carolina and in Virginia, and probably in other southern states, a young man was eligible for the militia at age 16. That's why we seek militia lists, especially in colonial days. (I note that such lists frequently occur in the Journals of the North Carolina Genealogical Society, but probably not for every county.) A man may have married the first time [always keep in mind he/she may have had multiple marriages] at approximately age 26. By that time, he probably has acquired some land to support a wife and family. A woman could get married at any age, but generally at age 14 or older. However, always consider that she, too, may have had multiple marriages!!! I have a couple of females in my family history who had four husbands!!! (Deeds and other documents help out here.) The first baby could come at any time!!! Death could come at any time. For females, it may have been after the birth of a child--or the birth of twins. Lots of deaths were due to drowning. The horses could not always cross a flooding river or creek. Another thought to keep in mind: If a surviving child or children were in line to inherit property, particularly land, from a deceased parent or a grandparent, there probably was a guardianship--to preserve the property--not the child's health. A child in general over age 14 could choose his or her own guardian. (Watch those court records!) I am sure others on this list can add some guidelines for estimating a person's age--other than the later censuses!! The county clerks did not keep records for us genealogists. But we use their records a lot. That is why the Family History Library in Salt Lake City is filled with thousands, nay, millions of films of official records. E.W.Wallace **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

It's good you pointed that out specifically, Bob. I assumed she was looking for records from census records, but birth certificates were not issued uniformly in the state (there are some exceptions) until 1913. There are some delayed birth certificates for earlier births, that were done to create a record for Social Security, but those won't go back to 1811, obviously. Church and Bible and census records are the best available records for 1811 births. Also, tax lists and land records can help with male birth date ranges. Katherine **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Just remember that birth and death records weren't recorded in NC until 1913 or 1914. Bob Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Norman" <cannedheat046@yahoo.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: [NCSURRY] Question Please > Could someone help me with this please? If a person was born 1811 in > Lincoln Co, North Carolina would I need to find that birth in the Old > Tryon Co. records? I was told that for that time period it would probably > be Old Tryon or somewhere in South Carolina records? > > I am not sure what county in S.C. would be the right one or actually WHY > I would need to look there. Also, where would I find good census or birth > records (for free) for Old Tryon Co, NC? Any help on this is much > appreciated! > > Yvonne > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you one and ALL for the information. I am looking for Nancy Williams born 1811 in Lincoln Co, NC and died in Macon Co, NC. I have all the information on her and my GGG Grandfather Solomon and their sons. There just seems to be no record of her birth or in who's household she lived in between her birth and her marriage in 1840. I have shed quiet a few tears looking for her too. I will not give up on her though. Thank you all again for the advise and comments. You are too kind. Yvonne --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Yvonne North Carolina Marriage Collection, 1741-2004 Name: Solomon Leatherman Spouse: Nancy Williams Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1840 Marriage County: Lincoln Marriage State: North Carolina Source Vendor: County Court Records Lincolnton, NC and FHL # 0873860 item 21 Source: County Court Records at Lincolnton, NC & Family Hi North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 Groom: Solomon Leatherman Bride: Nancy Williams Bond Date: 23 Mar 1840 Bond #: 000073958 Level Info: North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 ImageNum: 008711 County: Lincoln Record #: 01 077 Bondsman: John Gardiner Witness: L E Thompson Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Macon, North Carolina; Roll: M432_636; Page: 349; Image: 330. Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Cowee, Macon, North Carolina; Roll: M593_1146; Page: 282; Image: 568. Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Cowee, Macon, North Carolina; Roll: T9_971; Family History Film: 1254971; Page: 534.3000; Enumeration District: 121; Image: 0141. I did not find them in 1860. Send me your email address and I will send you a copy of the census pages. My email is bspivey@nctc.com Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Norman" <cannedheat046@yahoo.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [NCSURRY] Attn:Connie........Tryon Co. > Yvonne > > I don't know where you could find free records, but I do subscribe to > ancestry.com and would be happy to do a lookup for you. > > Connie > > > Hello Connie, that would be great!! Seems like everywhere I try to look > is a paying site and I just can't afford it. I am looking for the parents > of my GGG Grandmother Nancy Williams. She was born in Lincoln (?) > 1811........married about 1840 to Solomon Leatherman in Lincoln Co, NC. > > You know, I have also played with the possibility that she may have been > married before Solomon. She would have been 29 when she married him and > that seems kinda old for that time don't you think? Any help you could > give would very much appreciated!!!!! > > Thank you and Take Care. > Yvonne > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Regarding the first part of your question about Lincoln County records, Lincoln was created in 1779 out of Tryon County. In 1811, you should not be needing to worry about the confusion that once occurred about the NC/SC border. I believe that was settled long before 1811. Lincoln did originally border SC, before Gaston County was created. But I believe most of the land grant confusion occurred in the 1700's. As you move back in time, you may need to keep that in mind. Brent Holcomb published a book on those land grants, if you need to track it down at some point. Other counties were created out of Lincoln later on, so you may have to go to a different set of county records after those dates, when you are working forward in time and not backwards. For example: Cleveland County was created out of part of Rutherford and part of Lincoln in 1841. Catawba County was created out of Lincoln in 1842. Gaston County was created out of Lincoln in 1846. I would suggest that you bookmark this site for future reference. It is very helpful in keeping track of counties in NC. It has a list, and it also has illustrations at certain periods of time. _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm) Surry gave up land to other counties, too, including Wilkes in 1777 (part of Wilkes came from the District of Washington), Stokes in 1789, and Yadkin in 1850. Katherine **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Yvonne I don't know where you could find free records, but I do subscribe to ancestry.com and would be happy to do a lookup for you. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Norman" <cannedheat046@yahoo.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: [NCSURRY] Question Please > Could someone help me with this please? If a person was born 1811 in > Lincoln Co, North Carolina would I need to find that birth in the Old > Tryon Co. records? I was told that for that time period it would probably > be Old Tryon or somewhere in South Carolina records? > > I am not sure what county in S.C. would be the right one or actually WHY > I would need to look there. Also, where would I find good census or birth > records (for free) for Old Tryon Co, NC? Any help on this is much > appreciated! > > Yvonne > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yvonne I don't know where you could find free records, but I do subscribe to ancestry.com and would be happy to do a lookup for you. Connie Hello Connie, that would be great!! Seems like everywhere I try to look is a paying site and I just can't afford it. I am looking for the parents of my GGG Grandmother Nancy Williams. She was born in Lincoln (?) 1811........married about 1840 to Solomon Leatherman in Lincoln Co, NC. You know, I have also played with the possibility that she may have been married before Solomon. She would have been 29 when she married him and that seems kinda old for that time don't you think? Any help you could give would very much appreciated!!!!! Thank you and Take Care. Yvonne --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Could someone help me with this please? If a person was born 1811 in Lincoln Co, North Carolina would I need to find that birth in the Old Tryon Co. records? I was told that for that time period it would probably be Old Tryon or somewhere in South Carolina records? I am not sure what county in S.C. would be the right one or actually WHY I would need to look there. Also, where would I find good census or birth records (for free) for Old Tryon Co, NC? Any help on this is much appreciated! Yvonne --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hi all. I have transcribed more of the index of the Surry County Record of Estates, 1792-1809. I have transcribed through surnames beginning with "G". The transcribed index is located on my webpage at www.digginbones.com . >From the main page, click the "Records on Site" link. You will see the Surry County Record of Estate link at the bottom of the page. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 Many Free Genealogy Lookups www.digginbones.com

Hi Jan. The index covers all surnames. Currently, I have only transcribed what is on my webpage. As I indicated in my email, I just started transcribing these, and will be transcribing more as time allows. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 Many Free Genealogy Lookups www.digginbones.com -----Original Message----- From: Jan Patton-Harlow [mailto:jpatton@ij.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:16 PM To: researcher@digginbones.com; ncsurry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Transcribed Surry Co. Estate Records Index Rex, does it only go thru the letter "c"?\ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Bertram" <researcher@digginbones.com> To: "NC-Surry Co. Rootwebs" <NCSurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] Transcribed Surry Co. Estate Records Index > Hi all. While researching on behalf of a client a few days ago, I copied > the index pages from the "Record of Estates, 1792-1809" Estate records. I > have begun transcribing the index, and have placed the completed portion > of > it on my webpage, so that it might be of help to others. > > To view the transcribed index (what I have done of it), go to my webpage > at > www.digginbones.com . From the main page, click the "Records on Site" > link. > At the bottom of the page you will see the link for the Surry County > Record > of Estates index. > > Hope you all find some useful data in the transcribed list. I will > transcribe more, and add to the list as time allows. > > Rex W. Bertram > 132 S. Butler St. > Redkey, IN 47373 > Many Free Genealogy Lookups > www.digginbones.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rex, does it only go thru the letter "c"?\ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Bertram" <researcher@digginbones.com> To: "NC-Surry Co. Rootwebs" <NCSurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] Transcribed Surry Co. Estate Records Index > Hi all. While researching on behalf of a client a few days ago, I copied > the index pages from the "Record of Estates, 1792-1809" Estate records. I > have begun transcribing the index, and have placed the completed portion > of > it on my webpage, so that it might be of help to others. > > To view the transcribed index (what I have done of it), go to my webpage > at > www.digginbones.com . From the main page, click the "Records on Site" > link. > At the bottom of the page you will see the link for the Surry County > Record > of Estates index. > > Hope you all find some useful data in the transcribed list. I will > transcribe more, and add to the list as time allows. > > Rex W. Bertram > 132 S. Butler St. > Redkey, IN 47373 > Many Free Genealogy Lookups > www.digginbones.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all. While researching on behalf of a client a few days ago, I copied the index pages from the "Record of Estates, 1792-1809" Estate records. I have begun transcribing the index, and have placed the completed portion of it on my webpage, so that it might be of help to others. To view the transcribed index (what I have done of it), go to my webpage at www.digginbones.com . From the main page, click the "Records on Site" link. At the bottom of the page you will see the link for the Surry County Record of Estates index. Hope you all find some useful data in the transcribed list. I will transcribe more, and add to the list as time allows. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 Many Free Genealogy Lookups www.digginbones.com

Obediah Collins born 1802 married Elizabeth Vannoy in 1830. Obediah was a farmer and appeared on the 1817 tax list of Surry County owning 170 acres on Deep Creek. The children of Obediah and Elizabeth listed on the 1850 census of Surry County, were Lucinda, Thomas, Nancy J., Elizabeth, John and James. Gwenn

I apologise, I sent this to your private email instead of the list! Nanalee, Thank you so much for this information! I talked with my aunt today and she informed me that Levi left Rhoda and the kids and he supposedly went to Kentucky. That was new info for me...LOL. She said he either married or was living with another woman. Levi and Rhoda had a daughter named Priscilla, my GG Grandmother who was a servant (indentured?) when she was about 12 or 13 and is supposed to be listed in a census for Surry in this other person's household. Levi died in Kentucky and my aunt says her G Grandmother Priscilla never remarried. Again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the information! If anyone else has any info on this Levi.....his birthplace, his parents or just anything at all? Please let me know by personal email or on this list PLEASE! Blessings, Yvonne NC --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Yvonne, I have a little on Levi's descendants. Not much on Levi himself. North Carolina marriage bonds, 1741-1868 Levi Collins Rhoda Money 09 Jul 1849 000143815 005570 Surry 01 044 John L. Holcombe North Carolina marriage bonds, 1741-1868 Levi Collins Grace M. Swaim 06 Apr 1835 00143812 007778 Surry 01 044 Braxton Ray 1840 Surry County, NC Levi Collins 1 male under 5-2 females under 5-1male between 20-30 and 1 female between 30-40 next to Sally Collins with 2 males bet. 20-30- 1 female bet. 10-15 and 1 female bet. 40-50 also lived near Michael Swaim. 1850 Surry County census # 429-431 Levi Collins age 38 Rhoda age 18 Elizabeth Money age 42 Harriet M. Collins age 10 Levi age 5 Lucinda Money age 13 Mary A. Collins age 15 1860 Surry County, NC census Nixon's Dist # 499-499 Levi Collins age 48 Rhoda age 28 Levi Jr. age 15 S.J. age 7 male Rebecca age 5 It seems that Richard Martin Collins a son of Levi, Jr. married Alice Brown (don't have parents) & had a son Benjamin Franklin Collins. After Alice died Richard married Sarah Jane Crouse (dau of Robert & Margaret Pierce Crouse) Sarah Jane had a daughter Octavia Crouse by my Grandfather Thomas Jefferson Medley. ( who I recently found by dna was a son of probably Goodman Spencer & Liney Medley). Anyway Richard Martin's son Benjamin Frank married Octavia Crouse (daughter of his step mother & my aunt) I have their 10 children. If any is familiar?? Nanalee Wrenn nwrenn37@yadtel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Norman" <cannedheat046@yahoo.com> To: <NCSURRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:21 AM Subject: [NCSURRY] Help with Collins.........PLEASE!!! > Hello Listers, > I am searching for my ever elusive Levi Collins. I do not know for > sure where he was born, but I suspect Va or NC. Levi is my GGG > Grandfather. > He married Rhoda (Rhody) Money abt. 1849 in Surry County. John L. > Holcomb was bondsman. When they married, Levi brought 2-3 children by his > first wife. One of those children was Levi Jr. I believe Levi was first > married to a Charity Swaim in Surry Co. about 1835. I have never found a > birth place for him nor when or where he died? I have often wondered if he > was a son of Obediah/Obadiah Collins?

Hello Listers, I am searching for my ever elusive Levi Collins. I do not know for sure where he was born, but I suspect Va or NC. Levi is my GGG Grandfather. He married Rhoda (Rhody) Money abt. 1849 in Surry County. John L. Holcomb was bondsman. When they married, Levi brought 2-3 children by his first wife. One of those children was Levi Jr. I believe Levi was first married to a Charity Swaim in Surry Co. about 1835. I have never found a birth place for him nor when or where he died? I have often wondered if he was a son of Obediah/Obadiah Collins? Any help at all on this man and his family is very much appreciated. Thank you, Yvonne in N.C. Other names I am researching:Collins, Bowers, Soots and Williams --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

- *:*The Virginian-Pilot; *:*Jan 21, 2008; *:*Hampton Roads; *:*24 Eleanor S. Nester MOUNT AIRY - Eleanor Simmons Nester, 97, of the 600 block of Lovers Lane, widow of Dexter Nester passed away Sunday morning, Jan. 20, 2008, at Northern Hospital of Surry County. She was born June 6, 1910, in Surry County to the late Robert Franklin "Bud" and Mary Simmons Simmons. She was a member of Bannertown Baptist Church and was a homemaker. Surviving are two sons and daughters-in-law, Edward and Sandy Nester, Jerry and Shirley Nester, all of Mount Airy; a stepson and daughter-in-law, Wayne and Jackie Nester of Westfield, N.C.; a step-son-in-law, Don Moler of Myrtle Beach, S.C.; eight grandchildren and spouses, Nancy Bell, Lisa and Lee Hurst, Laura Boyd, Matthew Anderson and Joel Anderson, all of Chesapeake, Melanie and John Arnall of Kernersville, Mike and Retha Nester of Roanoke Rapids and Natalie Nester of Atlanta; two step-grandchildren and spouses, Susan and Donnie Inman of Mount Airy, Paige and Matt Lynch of North Wilkesboro; 10 great-grandchildren; four step-great-grandchildren; and three great-great-grandchildren; and a sister, Zola Chilton of Pilot Mountain, N.C. In addition to her husband and parents, Mrs. Nester was preceded in death by a daughter and son-in-law, Sarah Nester and Joe Bill Anderson; a stepdaughter, June Nester Moler; two grandsons, Jeffrey Anderson and Michael Nester; four sisters, Lela O'Neal, Willie McGee, Ruth Edinger and Jessie Allred; and a brother, Garnet Simmons. A funeral will be held at 11 a.m. Tuesday in Moody Funeral Home Chapel of Mount Airy conducted by the Rev. Milton Sewell and the Rev. Rickey Rogers. Burial will follow in Skyline Memory Gardens. The family will receive friends from 10 to 11 a.m. Tuesday at Moody Funeral Home. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to the Bannertown Baptist Church, 1834 Westfield Road, Mount Airy, NC 27030. The family would like to express special thanks to Marie Hiatt, Carol Baker, Betty Atkins and the staff of Central Continuing Care for their loving care during Mrs. Nester's illness. Online condolences may be sent to www.moodyfuneralservices.com. ------------------------------ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

Thank you, Pam, for sharing that information with me. It is very helpful to understand the composition of the family of Joseph Williams of Surry Co., NC. I hope someday I will be able to find out more about his alleged father, Nathaniel Williams, who at one time lived in colonial Hanover Co. ca 1733-1735 and then later in Louisa Co., near Mychunk/Mechunk Creek. He, the father Nathaniel Williams, was characterized as a neighbor in Louisa Co. of some probable nephews or step-nephews, the orphans of Henry Graves, who supposedly died in Hanover Co. The second wife of Henry Graves was a sister of Nathaniel Williams--Mary Williams. I found some records for Mary Graves in Lunenburg and then Mecklenburg Co., VA wherein she gave some land to her son Elijah Graves. More information provided if anyone is interested. But PLEASE--if you have a Williams in your family, this is to let you know that unless your Williams lived in colonial Virginia in one of these counties, I cannot tell you of your pedigree. These were the counties: Henrico Co., part of which became Goochland Co.; Hanover Co. and this was prior to the American Revolution, and in some cases prior to 1746!!! E.W.Wallace **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489